Greg Ellis Is A Stud - Show Him Respect

[edwardo]

It burns my butt for Cowboy fans to slander Greg Ellis. As we try to rebuild a once proud franchise, now a downtrodden amalgamation of retreads and wanna bees, and some hope thrown in, Greg Ellis has been and continues to be a beacon of what the Cowboys ought to stand for and the type of player the franchise should strive to select in the draft and free agency to fill our roster. I remember draft day when Ellis arrived; Dallas could have selected that cancer Randy Moss or taken Ellis' teammate, Vonnie Holiday. Also, we could have traded down and selected both Moss and Holiday but we took Ellis instead. I was critical of not trading down and grabbing Moss and Holiday but in retrospect the character of Ellis is better for the franchise than anything having to do with Moss, and Holiday is not even in the league anymore, or if he is, he is not near the presense Ellis continues to be. We Cowboy fans must realize we have been through hell and back since about the end of the second Jones/Johnson championship. Ellis cannnot be blamed for the terrible football teams on which he has been a member. As we assemble the new team and make a run at being a championship contender, justice would allow Ellis the role of elder statesman on a killer defense. In the meantime, Ellis has been a rock. Mack Brown described Ellis as one of the most high character persons he coached at North Carolina and this recommendation helped push the Cowboys the direction they went in this draft. Ellis deserves our gratitude and if we assemble the right team, he will pay a dividend that will be one of the few bright spots in the older drafts as the Boys return to glory.

[Crown Royal]

Good post, about 2-3 months too late.

[Natedawg44]

Uh No

[Jon88]

If we had taken Moss instead of Ellis, I am pretty sure we would have gone to that year's Superbowl and beaten Denver. Plus, I don't think Ellis has quite lived up to his status of being selected 9th overall (or was it 8th? I can never remember). Ellis is very solid, but I've always expected a little more out of him.

[SuspectCorner]

randy moss is a weapon. greg ellis is a D stalwart and consummate TEAMMATE.

notice which one is STILL with the team that drafted him?

[Jon88]

randy moss is a weapon. greg ellis is a D stalwart and consummate TEAMMATE.

notice which one is STILL with the team that drafted him?


I'm convinced we could have beaten Denver that year with Aikman, Smith, Irvin, and Moss, coupled with our solid defense.

I wish we had drafted him.

[Rack Bauer]

I'm glad we passed on that cancer.


That said, Ellis is no "Stud."

[Crown Royal]

I'm glad we passed on that cancer.


That said, Ellis is no "Stud."

Most intelligent post in the thread.

[big dog cowboy]

The Ellis/Moss debate is one that will never be settle even after both of their careers is over. For our part, Ellis is solid but unspectacular. Worthy of a top 10 pick? Probably not. Good teammate and solid citizen. Oh yea. Most seem to forget that we had only one starting DE at the time and were practically forced into drafting him. If we had only had some options at the time, who knows what could have happened. Like I said the debate will never end. I choose not to get sucked into it and just move on.

[BadKarma]

Ellis is no stud but he is very good - a consistent player. Moss is a stud, though a team liability.

Had we gotten Moss, we would not have thrown away two 1st rounders for Galloway, thus, potentially changing the dynamics of our drafting and team.

[edwardo]

I am new to Board; didn't realize this was previously fought over. Sorry.

[jcblanco22]

I'm convinced we could have beaten Denver that year with Aikman, Smith, Irvin, and Moss, coupled with our solid defense.

I wish we had drafted him.

Don't forget Mills, Jeffers, LaFleur, and Warren, they all did nicely for us too.
Ah, replacing Moss for Billy Davis in that lineup, talk about an upgrade! Gailey's offense was really humming that season.

[WoodysGirl]

I am new to Board; didn't realize this was previously fought over. Sorry. No need to apologize. Discussions like these start up all the time and they'll never be resolved. You could go to any cowboys discussion board and start a thread like this and you'll prolly get similar responses.

My preference is to move on. Randy's not here, Ellis is. You support the player who's on your squad and not worry what can't be undone.

[big dog cowboy]

I am new to Board; didn't realize this was previously fought over. Sorry.
Don't worry about it. It actually started as soon as Tags said "Greg Ellis" and has been debated pretty routinely every offseason. Mark my words, next March/April same song all over again.

[Crown Royal]

Don't worry about it. It actually started as soon as Tags said "Greg Ellis" and has been debated pretty routinely every offseason. Mark my words, next March/April same song all over again.

No doubt. But all I know - they both have an equal number of SB rings....

[big dog cowboy]

You support the player who's on your squad
I try but sometimes it's pretty hard. Lynn Scott, Randal Williams........

[Crown Royal]

I try but sometimes it's pretty hard. Lynn Scott, Randal Williams........

Troy Hambrick, Willie Blade :eek:

[WoodysGirl]

I try but sometimes it's pretty hard. Lynn Scott, Randal Williams........ Well do the best you can, big dog :D
It's to our benefit that these cats get as much motivation as possible.;)

[k19]

Greg Ellis is that you????????


Ladies and gentlemen we have a G.E. Sighting

[Qwickdraw]

Where I come from, calling another man a "stud" might get you beat up.

I hate that term.

[jem88]

I am new to Board; didn't realize this was previously fought over. Sorry. No need to apologize for your new status, but you could apologize for calling Ellis a stud. Ellis is a slightly above average DE with a great character. Personally I could care less about this whole character thing. I'm sure many questioned Irvin's character. Larry Allen doesn't seem like the most inspirational character either and Erik Williams was certainly flawed. Yet those 3 were indispensible parts of a dynasty. So far, Ellis has proved to be an indispensible part of a thoroughly mediocre team. He's a solid DE, but there are quite a few I'd take over him (Berry, Strahan, Kearse, KGB, Darren Howard, Jason Taylor, Dwight Freeney, John Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Richard Seymour come immediately to mind. There are likely others.) When Ellis' character translates into a 10+ sack season for once, I might consider calling him a stud.

[booboo]

It burns my butt for Cowboy fans to slander Greg Ellis. As we try to rebuild a once proud franchise, now a downtrodden amalgamation of retreads and wanna bees, and some hope thrown in, Greg Ellis has been and continues to be a beacon of what the Cowboys ought to stand for and the type of player the franchise should strive to select in the draft and free agency to fill our roster. I remember draft day when Ellis arrived; Dallas could have selected that cancer Randy Moss or taken Ellis' teammate, Vonnie Holiday. Also, we could have traded down and selected both Moss and Holiday but we took Ellis instead. I was critical of not trading down and grabbing Moss and Holiday but in retrospect the character of Ellis is better for the franchise than anything having to do with Moss, and Holiday is not even in the league anymore, or if he is, he is not near the presense Ellis continues to be. We Cowboy fans must realize we have been through hell and back since about the end of the second Jones/Johnson championship. Ellis cannnot be blamed for the terrible football teams on which he has been a member. As we assemble the new team and make a run at being a championship contender, justice would allow Ellis the role of elder statesman on a killer defense. In the meantime, Ellis has been a rock. Mack Brown described Ellis as one of the most high character persons he coached at North Carolina and this recommendation helped push the Cowboys the direction they went in this draft. Ellis deserves our gratitude and if we assemble the right team, he will pay a dividend that will be one of the few bright spots in the older drafts as the Boys return to glory.


http://www.chronologictiming.com/carrotblanca.jpg

Ahh, shutup!

[Rack Bauer]

Where I come from, calling another man a "stud" might get you beat up.

I hate that term.


Says the guy with a half naked man dancing and touching himself in his sig...

[Qwickdraw]

Says the guy with a half naked man dancing and touching himself in his sig...
Says the guy named after a woman's bosom.

[Crown Royal]

Says the guy named after a woman's bosom.

Heckuva name, ain't it? :D

[Natedawg44]

A Stud is a player you actually have to double team and game plan against. No D coordinator spends sleepless nights trying to figure out how to scheme against Ellis. Ellis is solid guy and a solid player and thats all you'll ever hear anyone describe him as solid.

[Rack Bauer]

Says the guy named after a woman's bosom.


Hey, I'm not the homophobe here. You are.

By the way...


rack1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rk)
n.

A framework or stand in or on which to hold, hang, or display various articles: a trophy rack; a rack for baseball bats in the dugout; a drying rack for laundry.
Games. A triangular frame for arranging billiard or pool balls at the start of a game.
A receptacle for livestock feed.
A frame for holding bombs in an aircraft.
Slang. A bunk; a bed.
A toothed bar that meshes with a gearwheel, pinion, or other toothed machine part.

A state of intense anguish.
A cause of intense anguish.
An instrument of torture on which the victim's body was stretched.
A pair of antlers.


Don't see any mention of a woman's bossom in there, Chico.

[tyke1doe]

Says the guy with a half naked man dancing and touching himself in his sig...

After I went back and saw his dancing avatar, I fell out laughing.

People speculate too much about the past. We woulda won another Super Bowl with Moss. We would have been a different team had we not given up two No. 1 picks for Galloway.

Nobody knows. The Seahawks didn't get anywhere with Galloway, and the Vikings got no where with Moss. And by the time, Moss arrived in the NFL, teams had caught up with the Cowboys' offensive scheme.

Nobody knows what would have happened. So in some sense, these debates are pointless.

[CaptainComeback]

It burns my butt for Cowboy fans to slander Greg Ellis. As we try to rebuild a once proud franchise, now a downtrodden amalgamation of retreads and wanna bees, and some hope thrown in, Greg Ellis has been and continues to be a beacon of what the Cowboys ought to stand for and the type of player the franchise should strive to select in the draft and free agency to fill our roster. I remember draft day when Ellis arrived; Dallas could have selected that cancer Randy Moss or taken Ellis' teammate, Vonnie Holiday. Also, we could have traded down and selected both Moss and Holiday but we took Ellis instead. I was critical of not trading down and grabbing Moss and Holiday but in retrospect the character of Ellis is better for the franchise than anything having to do with Moss, and Holiday is not even in the league anymore, or if he is, he is not near the presense Ellis continues to be. We Cowboy fans must realize we have been through hell and back since about the end of the second Jones/Johnson championship. Ellis cannnot be blamed for the terrible football teams on which he has been a member. As we assemble the new team and make a run at being a championship contender, justice would allow Ellis the role of elder statesman on a killer defense. In the meantime, Ellis has been a rock. Mack Brown described Ellis as one of the most high character persons he coached at North Carolina and this recommendation helped push the Cowboys the direction they went in this draft. Ellis deserves our gratitude and if we assemble the right team, he will pay a dividend that will be one of the few bright spots in the older drafts as the Boys return to glory.

Say all you want about Randy Moss but he is a guy who changes gameplans of his opponents consistently. Greg Ellis has never even sniffed a pro bowl selection let alone an all-pro selection. To say that you value his character over Moss' production and given the choice to do it all again you'd take the character guy instead of the one who produces is your right. As far as having your "butt burned" I do know that if a GM made the decision to take Ellis over Moss now he should get his " fired".

[Qwickdraw]

Hey, I'm not the homophobe here. You are.

By the way...

rack1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rk)
n.

A framework or stand in or on which to hold, hang, or display various articles: a trophy rack; a rack for baseball bats in the dugout; a drying rack for laundry.
Games. A triangular frame for arranging billiard or pool balls at the start of a game.
A receptacle for livestock feed.
A frame for holding bombs in an aircraft.
Slang. A bunk; a bed.
A toothed bar that meshes with a gearwheel, pinion, or other toothed machine part.

A state of intense anguish.
A cause of intense anguish.
An instrument of torture on which the victim's body was stretched.
A pair of antlers.

Don't see any mention of a woman's bossom in there, Chico.

stud (n.)-

A man who is virile and sexually active
Ornament consisting of a circular rounded protuberance (as on a vault or shield or belt)
Scantling: an upright in house framing
Adult male horse kept for breeding






Don't see any mention of football in there, Muchacho.

[dbair1967]

Say all you want about Randy Moss but he is a guy who changes gameplans of his opponents consistently. Greg Ellis has never even sniffed a pro bowl selection let alone an all-pro selection. To say that you value his character over Moss' production and given the choice to do it all again you'd take the character guy instead of the one who produces is your right. As far as having your "butt burned" I do know that if a GM made the decision to take Ellis over Moss now he should get his " fired".

Moss...zero super bowls...multiple times caught loafing on TV while on the field...me 1st attitude got him shipped out

remind me again how many teams (and which GM's) passed on Randy Moss in 1998...should all of them be fired?

Moss is a cnacer, period. His team didnt win a single championship with him and finally "got it" during this offseason, ridding themselves of a horrible lockerroom cancer...Oakland wont win anything with him either

David

[percyhoward]

Ellis is a solid DE, but there are quite a few I'd take over him (...Darren Howard...come immediately to mind. There are likely others.) When Ellis' character translates into a 10+ sack season for once, I might consider calling him a stud.
In their last 50 starts, Ellis has more tackles than Howard, and only 3.5 less sacks than Howard. I wonder what those numbers would look like if Ellis had been a Saint, and Howard was a Cowboy. While no opponent's gonna lose sleep trying to figure out how to stop Ellis, nobody on this team has lost any sleep worrying about him either. Just suit him up and send him out there.

[Seven]

After I went back and saw his dancing avatar, I fell out laughing.

People speculate too much about the past. We woulda won another Super Bowl with Moss. We would have been a different team had we not given up two No. 1 picks for Galloway.

Nobody knows. The Seahawks didn't get anywhere with Galloway, and the Vikings got no where with Moss. And by the time, Moss arrived in the NFL, teams had caught up with the Cowboys' offensive scheme.

Nobody knows what would have happened. So in some sense, these debates are pointless.

Somebody give me an Amen brother!!!! This Moss thing, (not Moss himself but the Moss issuehttp://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif) would've bought us nothing with the under-talented garbage crew around him on the field. Therefore it was and always has been a moot point having him on our offense. Ellis has at least been an intrical part of a few highly rated Dallas defenses. Wouldn't of happened without him.
Let's just say 2 years ago Moss woulda been somewhere else. I'm thinking opposite Bryant in Cleveland compliments of BP if you know what I mean.

[Tio]

Fact of the matter is Moss helps his team on the field a lot more than Ellis does. I love having ellis on the team, he is truly on of the most underrated DE's in the game. But, moss changes games, and I'd like to see how he would have responded to a coach like Parcells. Key and Glenn both have had problems when they weren't playing with him.

[jem88]

In their last 50 starts, Ellis has more tackles than Howard, and only 3.5 less sacks than Howard. I wonder what those numbers would look like if Ellis had been a Saint, and Howard was a Cowboy. While no opponent's gonna lose sleep trying to figure out how to stop Ellis, nobody on this team has lost any sleep worrying about him either. Just suit him up and send him out there. I doubt they'd look that much different. I'd take Howard over Ellis. Sacks are what change games and Howard has also shown the versatility to play inside as well. I like Ellis and I've long since gotten over taking him instead of Moss, but it cracks me up when people start referring to Ellis as a stud.

[Seven]

Fact of the matter is Moss helps his team on the field a lot more than Ellis does. I love having ellis on the team, he is truly on of the most underrated DE's in the game. But, moss changes games, and I'd like to see how he would have responded to a coach like Parcells. Key and Glenn both have had problems when they weren't playing with him.

Interesting take and you are correct with Key and Glenn. I happened to see Glenn in an interview during his contract/money owed him time frame. Without knowing all the particulars I still thought he was one of thee most immature acting football players I'd ever seen. Seems okay with Parcells. So far.
However......we both know the first time Moss walks off the field prematurely and quits ON the field, we have issues. Would he have done this with Parcells? I can't answerthat honestly, but my money says yes....once.
You, several others, and I will never agree on Ellis except fo the fact that he is underrated. WAY underrated. I'm not talking stats. They aren't applicable with his previous surroundings...IMO.