Baylor mens and womens basketball programs to face possible sanctions

[The30YardSlant]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7791434/baylor-bears-teams-facing-possible-ncaa-sanctions


The men's and women's basketball programs at Baylor University are facing possible NCAA sanctions following an investigation that uncovered more than 1,200 impermissible phone calls and text messages during a 29-month span.

Men's coach Scott Drew, women's coach Kim Mulkey and their assistants, were involved in the impermissible phone calls and texts. ESPN.com obtained a copy of the summary disposition, which was produced by the NCAA enforcement committee and Baylor.


The NCAA enforcement staff labeled the improprieties as "major violations," mainly because of the frequency with which they occurred.

The seriousness of this stems not necessarily from the severity of the acts themselves but because of how often they occurred and the fact that the infractions occurred while the men's program was already on probation. It's the largest scale case of impermissible contact in NCAA history (reported case, anyway) and something to keep in mind is that the NCAA hammered Kelvin Sampson for less than half as many impermissible contact violations

[Aikbach]

Every major commentator has laughed it off already that years of investigation unveiled texting and phone calls, including some between Coach Mulkey and Griner's father (both parents have daughters on the team)hardly "major" violations. It will be a wrist slap. it's called scrapping the barrel for dirt, in terms of violations it's hilariously limp.

[numnuts23]

Every major commentator has laughed it off already that years of investigation unveiled texting and phone calls, including some between Coach Mulkey and Griner's father (both parents have daughters on the team)hardly "major" violations. It will be a wrist slap. it's called scrapping the barrel for dirt, in terms of violations it's hilariously limp.

Ok, so what are your thoughts on Scott Drew? Do you think he has been doing something illegal to get some of these highly rated recruits to come to Baylor.

[Aikbach]

Ok, so what are your thoughts on Scott Drew? Do you think he has been doing something illegal to get some of these highly rated recruits to come to Baylor.I think the NCAA rule book is so big no one knows every nuance, do you find it immoral to text and phone people? Do you think he was the only one to do so? If so cuff him, if you find it an eyerolling "offense' as most everybody does then it's pretty shallow "corruption".

CBS Sports said it best, and the sentiment is pretty universal outside those with an axe to grind.
http://sports.cbsimg.net/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding

[numnuts23]

I think the NCAA rule book is so big no one knows every nuance, do you find it immoral to text and phone people? Do you think he was the only one to do so? If so cuff him, if you find it an eyerolling "offense' as most everybody does then it's pretty shallow "corruption".

CBS Sports said it best, and the sentiment is pretty universal outside those with an axe to grind.
http://sports.cbsimg.net/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding

Ok, let me rephrase it. Do you think he has done something illegal beyond text and phone calls to get these players to Baylor?

[The30YardSlant]

Mulkey is probably fine, but I can see the NCAA giving Drew and the men's program more than just a slap on the wrist. These "illegal" calls/texts are on a much larger scale than what the NCAA has cracked down on before and they occurred while the men's program was on probation. The article also says that Baylor's compliance office and coaching staff misled NCAA investigators at several turns.

[Aikbach]

Mulkey is probably fine, but I can see the NCAA giving Drew and the men's program more than just a slap on the wrist. These "illegal" calls/texts are on a much larger scale than what the NCAA has cracked down on before and they occurred while the men's program was on probation. The article also says that Baylor's compliance office and coaching staff misled NCAA investigators at several turns.They are alleged to have 1000 unapproved texts over 2 and a half years, do the math, that's a text a day, ohhhhh sooo criminal, less than most people's monthly plans.

It will be slap on the wrist for something that allegedly occurred in 2007-08.

[Aikbach]

Ok, let me rephrase it. Do you think he has done something illegal beyond text and phone calls to get these players to Baylor?No, because a three year investigation has boiled down to texts, meaning they found virtually nothing.

[Future]

They are alleged to have 1000 unapproved texts over 2 and a half years, do the math, that's a text a day, ohhhhh sooo criminal, less than most people's monthly plans.

It will be slap on the wrist for something that allegedly occurred in 2007-08.
It is only a text a day, but that's like just puffing a one-hitter every day. Do it for over 2 years, and that's a lot of weed.

[joseephuss]

I think the NCAA rule book is so big no one knows every nuance, do you find it immoral to text and phone people?

Knowing the time period in which you can contact a recruit is a very basic rule. You don't have to know every nuance of the rule book to know that.

No, it is not immoral to contact recruits, but it is against the rules. Contacting a recruit is minor. Contacting them over and over and over is what has elevated what are otherwise minor offenses into a major offense. Still not as bad as other possible major offenses, but it is one. And you have to consider that they were already on probation. It is going to be looked at differently due to that circumstance.

[InmanRoshi]

The article also says that Baylor's compliance office and coaching staff misled NCAA investigators at several turns.

That will get you in trouble worse than the alleged violations.

[burmafrd]

That will get you in trouble worse than the alleged violations.

nobody ever seems to learn that its the COVERUP that gets you in the end.

[jimmy40]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7791434/baylor-bears-teams-facing-possible-ncaa-sanctions






The seriousness of this stems not necessarily from the severity of the acts themselves but because of how often they occurred and the fact that the infractions occurred while the men's program was already on probation. It's the largest scale case of impermissible contact in NCAA history (reported case, anyway) and something to keep in mind is that the NCAA hammered Kelvin Sampson for less than half as many impermissible contact violationswow, your really ate up with the Baylor -Aggie rivalry. and comparing this to Sampson? not even going to be in the same world as what they did to him.

[The30YardSlant]

wow, your really ate up with the Baylor -Aggie rivalry. and comparing this to Sampson? not even going to be in the same world as what they did to him.

Sampson was suspended for a year for just over 500 impermissible contact violations.

[Aikbach]

Sampson was suspended for a year for just over 500 impermissible contact violations.And was on discipline for doing it at multiple programs, he did it at multiple universities after being warned, AND he COVERED IT UP, despite your claim there is no Baylor coverup or multiple offense like Sampson, you're reaching at straws.

[joseephuss]

And was on discipline for doing it at multiple programs, he did it at multiple universities after being warned, AND he COVERED IT UP, despite your claim there is no Baylor coverup or multiple offense like Sampson, you're reaching at straws.

"The probe also determined that former men's assistant Mark Morefield committed a major violation when he attempted to influence two AAU coaches to furnish the NCAA with false and misleading information regarding a series of text messages. Morefield resigned in July 2011."

That is from the linked article. Sounds like an attempt at a coverup to me.

[The30YardSlant]

And was on discipline for doing it at multiple programs, he did it at multiple universities after being warned, AND he COVERED IT UP, despite your claim there is no Baylor coverup or multiple offense like Sampson, you're reaching at straws.

This is the second time the NCAA has caught the Baylor men's program illegally contacting recruits under Drew's watch (though admittedly the first time was much more minor and was an assistant), and according to media reports Baylor coaches were telling AAU coaches to lie to the NCAA to coverup the contact.

[Aikbach]

Come get your crow, wrist slap commenced.
http://www.baylorbears.com/genrel/041112aaa.html

"The University has made significant investments in compliance staffing and infrastructure both prior to and since the investigation began. Moreover, we have outstanding coaches who are committed to operating their programs with integrity."
In other words Baylor already took care of it three years ago, NCAA says cool, Aggie posters still butt hurt fishing for dirt.

Many of these violations are the result of improperly logging or not logging calls. Approximately 90 percent of the calls later deemed impermissible were either unlogged 2-3 minute voicemail messages left during a permissible calling period or calls to individuals who were parents or relatives of prospective student-athletes who were also non-scholastic (i.e. AAU) coaches to discuss a player other than their son or relative.

[Aikbach]

"The probe also determined that former men's assistant Mark Morefield committed a major violation when he attempted to influence two AAU coaches to furnish the NCAA with false and misleading information regarding a series of text messages. Morefield resigned in July 2011."

That is from the linked article. Sounds like an attempt at a coverup to me.Conjecture is fun, sells newspaper...well maybe not in the digital age, but it gets you web traffic. three year investigations don't emphasize 750 something texts and 500 phone calls unless that's all that was found accumulatively slight of bounds.

Everyone has literally shrugged, commentator and observer alike.

When 0.1 percent of 900,000 communications are found iffy, you've got a pretty damn clean program, in the annals of scandal this is quite the yawn.

[joseephuss]

Conjecture is fun, sells newspaper...well maybe not in the digital age, but it gets you web traffic. three year investigations don't emphasize 750 something texts and 500 phone calls unless that's all that was found accumulatively slight of bounds.

Everyone has literally shrugged, commentator and observer alike.

When 0.1 percent of 900,000 communications are found iffy, you've got a pretty damn clean program, in the annals of scandal this is quite the yawn.

It was the NCAA's findings about what Morefield did. It wasn't just something made up to sell papers or get web hits.

The NCAA has agreed to Baylor's self-imposed penalties:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7801565/ncaa-puts-baylor-bears-probation-accepts-self-imposed-penalties-text-messages

[Aikbach]

It was the NCAA's findings about what Morefield did. It wasn't just something made up to sell papers or get web hits.

The NCAA has agreed to Baylor's self-imposed penalties:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7801565/ncaa-puts-baylor-bears-probation-accepts-self-imposed-penalties-text-messagesYou're late to the game this was already covered, and the morefield sensationalism was just that, not held against Baylor at all.

Basically Baylor suffers no penalty, they've already done them, proving the NCAA knows it's weak and the national champion and elite 8 squads will not be at detriment by any of it.

[joseephuss]

And was on discipline for doing it at multiple programs, he did it at multiple universities after being warned, AND he COVERED IT UP, despite your claim there is no Baylor coverup or multiple offense like Sampson, you're reaching at straws.

You're late to the game this was already covered, and the morefield sensationalism was just that, not held against Baylor at all.

Basically Baylor suffers no penalty, they've already done them, proving the NCAA knows it's weak and the national champion and elite 8 squads will not be at detriment by any of it.

The coverup by Morefield being "not held against Baylor" is different than your earlier statement that "there is no Baylor coverup".

[Aikbach]

The coverup by Morefield being "not held against Baylor" is different than your earlier statement that "there is no Baylor coverup".Obviously it was determined whatever he did was not in collusion with the university, it's scratching at the bottom of the barrel to look for offense, a 29 month investigation ends with the wimper of texts found too plentiful and the acceptance of self imposed actions already long in place.

The investigation was basically a waste of time, if that's the worst you can come up with is texts, not exactly SMU or Jackie Sherrill territory, to the chagrin of some gnashing their teeth that wanted Baylor's success to be attributed to cheating so very badly.

[joseephuss]

Obviously it was determined whatever he did was not in collusion with the university, it's scratching at the bottom of the barrel to look for offense, a 29 month investigation ends with the wimper of texts found too plentiful and the acceptance of self imposed actions already long in place.

The investigation was basically a waste of time, if that's the worst you can come up with is texts, not exactly SMU or Jackie Sherrill territory, to the chagrin of some gnashing their teeth that wanted Baylor's success to be attributed to cheating so very badly.


I don't care if Baylor suffered serious penalties or not. I was never involved in the story enough to care if this was worth of severe punishment or not. You keep going on and on about that, but that was never my point. I just pointed out how you were incorrect in your statement about there being no coverup. There was a coverup as stated by the NCAA's findings. That can't be disputed. They just didn't think the coverup was extensive enough to impose stricter penalties.

[Aikbach]

I don't care if Baylor suffered serious penalties or not. I was never involved in the story enough to care if this was worth of severe punishment or not. You keep going on and on about that, but that was never my point. I just pointed out how you were incorrect in your statement about there being no coverup. There was a coverup as stated by the NCAA's findings. That can't be disputed. They just didn't think the coverup was extensive enough to impose stricter penalties.If Baylor was implemented in what was deemed coverup they would've been punished, obviously the connotation of "coverup" is too strong a term and all actions were involved in an individual supposedly and not the university in some "Watergate" conspiracy over too many texts.

Basically it was a sideshow, a waste of time, if this was punishable "corruption" Baylor would've been given a punishment by the NCAA beyond "Eh, you learned your lesson".

Especially since the texting rules broken with improper reporting of call logs in 07-08 are now legal.

[jimmy40]

If Baylor was implemented in what was deemed coverup they would've been punished, obviously the connotation of "coverup" is too strong a term and all actions were involved in an individual supposedly and not the university in some "Watergate" conspiracy over too many texts.

Basically it was a sideshow, a waste of time, if this was punishable "corruption" Baylor would've been given a punishment by the NCAA beyond "Eh, you learned your lesson".

Especially since the texting rules broken with improper reporting of call logs in 07-08 are now legal.what a waste of time and money.

[Aikbach]

what a waste of time and money.
Definitely my friend, it's clear no one in their right mind was offended by 750 additional texts, something I can do back and forth in less than a month, but someone was very perturbed with Baylor's recruiting success and bound and determined to prove it was somehow scandalous and they failed.