Albert Breer Mock

[InmanRoshi]

Generally I take mocks with a grain of salt and wouldn't bother posting them, but on twitter he said he made this after running it by lots of scouts and execs over the weekend.


Cowboys #14 - Mark Barron.

Other notables...

Fletcher Cox goes #12 to Seattle. Cordy Glenn goes #13 to Cardinals, ahead of DeCastro (Bengals #17). Eagles take Poe at #15. Konz goes #27 to New England.

I was a little surprised to see Chandler Jones go in the first round, I believe Brandt currently lists him as 48 in his Top 100, but otherwise no huge surprises.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/albert-breer/130102

[InmanRoshi]

Poe to the Eagles in intriguing. I guess Jim Washburn gets his next generation Haynesworth.

[TVMan]

Comparing Poe to Haynesworth is ridiculous.

[InmanRoshi]

Comparing Poe to Haynesworth is ridiculous.

Why would that be ridiculous? Both are going to be drafted in the 1st round based on nothing but raw potential. Haynewsorth did nothing at Tennessee other than hide in Jon Henderson's shadow.

[SDogo]

Why would that be ridiculous? Both are going to be drafted in the 1st round based on nothing but raw potential. Haynewsorth did nothing at Tennessee other than hide in Jon Henderson's shadow.

I was going to say, rather good comparison.

[AsthmaField]

Please don't let the Giants draft Hightower.

[CATCH17]

Cordy Glenn goes #13 to Cardinals, ahead of DeCastro (Bengals #17).

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

[InmanRoshi]

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo took him at 10 to be a RT. They need a RT in a bad way, and they're generally the ones most likely to make surprise picks.

[RS12]

I'll embrace Barron if they draft him but I still dont see him over a pass rusher or O Lineman. I just dont, and I am sure Nick Saban knows his talent cold. Guess this is the reaction I have when I look at all the other holes to fill.

[TVMan]

Why would that be ridiculous? Both are going to be drafted in the 1st round based on nothing but raw potential. Haynewsorth did nothing at Tennessee other than hide in Jon Henderson's shadow.

I get where you are coming from.

It would have been ridiculous if you were going to say he was lazy, which Albert was.

This kid is even more raw than Haynesworth was when he was drafted. He has been labeled as lazy, but his position coach begs to differ.

As much as anything, Poe was limited by Memphis' defensive scheme. His main job was to provide gap control, meaning he was supposed to occupy blockers while linebackers and safeties made tackles.

"Based on what Dontari was asked to do, he did the job," said Mike DuBose, former University of Alabama head coach who was the UofM's defensive line coach the last two seasons before being fired with previous head coach Larry Porter and the rest of Porter's staff after going 2-22. "He knew he could make plays if the scheme of our defense had been different, but he didn't complain about it. He was a team guy."LINK (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/apr/08/tigers-poe-takes-giant-step-to-nfl/)

[AsthmaField]

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

His value has increased to NFL teams because he can play RT as well as G, although he isn't as good a guard as DeCastro.

In Dallas' case, we don't need a RT but instead need interior linemen. So, DeCastro, being the better interior player, would make more sense for us. i.e. we would take DeCastro before Glenn (IMO).

In the case of a team in need of a RT... there is no doubt Glenn would make more sense for them, and since the NFL values Tackles above interior linemen, it comes as no shock that once it was clear Glenn could play RT that his stock would rise above that of DeCastro in the eyes of draft scouts (draftniks).

Still doesn't make Glenn a better guard than DeCastro... particularly for teams who value the ability to get to the second level and be a coach on the field (again, IMO).

[RS12]

H
In Dallas' case, we don't need a RT but instead need interior linemen. .

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.

[AsthmaField]

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.

He showed it two years ago... the last time he played RT.

However, I do know where you're coming from and it is reasonable enough. I just happen to be in the camp that he will play well now that he's back at RT.

[InmanRoshi]

Still doesn't make Glenn a better guard than DeCastro... particularly for teams who value the ability to get to the second level and be a coach on the field (again, IMO).

I bet in time and with practice he'll be as good of an NFL guard as DeCastro, especially as a left guard. He just didn't spend his entire collegiate career focusing on one position like DeCastro did.

[reddyuta]

I am ok with Barron if we can snag Konz somehow by trading back into the first rd.

[Sasquatch]

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.

Beat me to it. I like the insurance Glenn would provide.

[InmanRoshi]

I get where you are coming from.

It would have been ridiculous if you were going to say he was lazy, which Albert was.

This kid is even more raw than Haynesworth was when he was drafted. He has been labeled as lazy, but his position coach begs to differ.

LINK (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/apr/08/tigers-poe-takes-giant-step-to-nfl/)

The thing is when I watch what little tape is out there of him, I don't see a guy who particularly relishes slugging it out at the point of attack. He likes to get clean and get upfield, just like Haynesworth. Watch the Tulsa tape, and he outweighs the guy in front of him by 75 lbs. It's not just about being lazy, it's about playing mean. People want him to be Vince Wilfork, but it's about mindset. Vince Wilfork is a nasty individual who plays on the edge of being dirty (often times crossing that line). He relishes it. If some midget C-USA 275 lbs. guard lines up in front of Wilfork, he's completely mauling him, immasculating him with a bull rush of pure brute strength, placing him on his backside and "accidentally" stepping on his chest on his way. Meanwhile, Poe's playing finesse and trying to rip and swim his way into the backfield against a guy he should just physically manhandle.

[TVMan]

The thing is when I watch what little tape is out there of him, I don't see a guy who particularly relishes slugging it out at the point of attack. He likes to get clean and get upfield, just like Haynesworth. Watch the Tulsa tape, and he outweighs the guy in front of him by 75 lbs. People want him to be Vince Wilfork, but it's about mindset. Vince Wilfork is a nasty individual who plays on the edge of being dirty (often times crossing that line). If some midget C-USA 275 lbs. guard lines up ahead of Wilfork, he's completely mauling him, immasculating him with raw brute strength, placing him on his backside and "accidentally" stepping on his chest on his way to the QB. Poe's trying to rip and swim his way into the backfield.

The tape doesn't show what is inside. To me, the tape does show a raw prospect that began playing football his freshman year of high school. He still has a lot to learn, but the upside is huge.

He has not had elite coaching yet. I'd be willing to bet that he'd excel with such coaching.

[RS12]

The tape doesn't show what is inside.

Thats the multi million dollar question isnt it?

[InmanRoshi]

The tape doesn't show what is inside. To me, the tape does show a raw prospect that began playing football his freshman year of high school. He still has a lot to learn, but the upside is huge.

He has not had elite coaching yet. I'd be willing to bet that he'd excel with such coaching.

I understand he hasn't received great technical teaching (the offensive guards he was going up against in C-USA probably weren't either), but for me a 350 lbs. mountain of a man should just bully a 280 lbs nobody offensive guard from Tulsa at various points in the game (if he enjoys being a bully). At some points simple E=MC2 physics should be on display.

[Dash28]

Beat me to it. I like the insurance Glenn would provide.
Glenn is one of my surprise picks for top 10.

I've got Buf taking him at 10.

[AKATheRake]

Please don't let the Giants draft Hightower.

My thoughts exactly!

[mensaone]

I am breaking my TV if we pass on DeCastro

[mensaone]

Please don't let the Giants draft Hightower.



Another good LB lands in Pitts

[AsthmaField]

Another good LB lands in Pitts


Yeah. He is exactly the type of guy they get. Big, mean, smart, and loves football and the contact that comes with it.

I'm still holding out hope that we manage to somehow get him with our second round pick (trade up into late first). We run a multiple, 34 defense. All 4 LB spots are impact positions for us... not to mention how versatile the guy is and that he can rush from the middle, the edge, as an OLB, ILB, or DE.

Plus, we have a defensive coordinator who is known for being creative with the players he has.

I just think the guy is what the defense needs (attitude wise), and he could be used in so many ways. We need a bully on D. IMO, it'd be worth a trade-up into the late first... but it'll never happen, so I will just let it go, I guess. :D

[burmafrd]

I've said all along that I think Glenn has more upside between these 2 players.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happened on draft day.


If I was a DL i'd rather face Decastro.

now that is funny. Really funny. Wrong, but funny.

[Leadbelly]

I am breaking my TV if we pass on DeCastro

Same. It's bad enough the Giants won the Super Bowl and the Redskins will finally get a QB. We finish 14th worst and the best we come out with is a strong safety?

And if we're going DB, I'd rather pick Stephen Gilmore over Barron.

[junk]

My only concern about Glenn is his size. If he's 345 now, how big will he be in 3-5 years?

I'm trying to think of any comparable players that were the size of a planet when they were drafted and were successful long term.

Nicks I guess?

I keep having visions of Aaron Gibson or an aging Leonard Davis.

[Risen Star]

My only concern about Glenn is his size. If he's 345 now, how big will he be in 3-5 years?

I'm trying to think of any comparable players that were the size of a planet when they were drafted and were successful long term.

Nicks I guess?

I keep having visions of Aaron Gibson or an aging Leonard Davis.

It's a legitimate concern. You have to feel good about the interview and the background check that the guy will work once he gets paid.

[CATCH17]

now that is funny. Really funny. Wrong, but funny.

What's so funny? Glenn is an immense talent and IMO has more upside than Decastro.

Decastro is a safer pick but Glenn was a boss in the SEC.

Plus for the Cowboys I think Glenn is more of the classic Cowboy lineman.

[InmanRoshi]

We finish 14th worst and the best we come out with is a strong safety

Yeah, we should be focusing after premium positions, like right guard.

[InmanRoshi]

My only concern about Glenn is his size. If he's 345 now, how big will he be in 3-5 years?

I'm trying to think of any comparable players that were the size of a planet when they were drafted and were successful long term.

Nicks I guess?

I'm picturing Shawn Andrews without the mental illness.

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

My thoughts exactly!

Haven't really paid attention to who they might pick but yup that would suck.

Good draft! I think it is a bit hopeful to see Lewis and Blake that late tho. Love Brooks.

[Beast_from_East]

Generally I take mocks with a grain of salt and wouldn't bother posting them, but on twitter he said he made this after running it by lots of scouts and execs over the weekend.


Cowboys #14 - Mark Barron.

Other notables...

Fletcher Cox goes #12 to Seattle. Cordy Glenn goes #13 to Cardinals, ahead of DeCastro (Bengals #17). Eagles take Poe at #15. Konz goes #27 to New England.

I was a little surprised to see Chandler Jones go in the first round, I believe Brandt currently lists him as 48 in his Top 100, but otherwise no huge surprises.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/albert-breer/130102

So we are going to take a safety with DeCastro still on the board.....WOW.


If I was Romo and this went down, I would be major league pissed and head straight to Jerry's office to let him know about it.:mad:

[gimmesix]

I am ok with Barron if we can snag Konz somehow by trading back into the first rd.

There are a couple of other nice consolation prizes on the line we might can get in the second if trading up doesn't work.

That's one of the things that makes me believe the first pick will be someone like Barron. The interior offensive line class is pretty strong for the first couple of rounds.

[InmanRoshi]

So we are going to take a safety with DeCastro still on the board.....WOW.


If I was Romo and this went down, I would be major league pissed and head straight to Jerry's office to let him know about it.:mad:

If I were Romo, I would be ecstatic that the Cowboys finally appear to be in the process of pairing me with a defense that didn't require me to be absolutely perfect and have a 100+ QB Rating in every game for my team to win. Now maybe the next time I put up a 140 QB Rating in a NFC East clinching game in December, my defense might actually hold the opponent to under 37 points and people will talk about what a "winner" I am.

[junk]

It's a legitimate concern. You have to feel good about the interview and the background check that the guy will work once he gets paid.

I guess I wasn't quite as worried about him being lazy and eating himself out of the league. Just adding weight naturally and losing flexibility and movement.

I'm picturing Shawn Andrews without the mental illness.

Isn't Glenn bigger now than Andrews was when he was playing? That is a good comparision though.

[InmanRoshi]

Isn't Glenn bigger now than Andrews was when he was playing? That is a good comparision though.

I believe Andrews weighed in at 360 at his Combine.

[visionary]

i would not be surprised with this pick with decastro and poe being on the board
though i would probably throw something (unless we take OL and front 7 with the next 2 picks)

look at who he has perrenial contenders picking (Pitt, NE, NYG, philly ,etc) OL and front 7 and we pick a safety

there is a reason we are mired in mediocrity

[InmanRoshi]

i would not be surprised with this pick with decastro and poe being on the board
though i would probably throw something (unless we take OL and front 7 with the next 2 picks)

look at who he has perrenial contenders picking (Pitt, NE, NYG, philly ,etc) OL and front 7 and we pick a safety

Might want to rethink your examples. Pitt, New England, NYG have all taken a safety with first round picks in recent years. Between paying big money to Antrelle Rolle and Deon Grant, and drafting Kenny Phillips in the 1st round, it's hard to think of a franchise that has allocated more resources to safety than the Giants. New York's OL is a perfect example of why you don't need to invest a lot of resources into an OL. It's Chris Snee (drafted in the 2nd round), and a bunch of low level free agents (David Baas, Stacy Andrews), castoffs from other teams (Kevin Booth) claimed off the training camp cut scrap heaps, and mid-low round draft projects they developed in house for several years (Petrus, Beatty)

[CATCH17]

Might want to rethink your examples. Pitt, New England, NYG have all taken a safety with first round picks in recent years. Between paying big money to Antrelle Rolle and Deon Grant, and drafting Kenny Phillips in the 1st round, it's hard to think of a franchise that has allocated more resources to safety than the Giants. New York's OL is a perfect example of why you don't need to invest a lot of resources into an OL. It's Chris Snee (drafted in the 2nd round), and a bunch of low level free agents (David Baas, Stacy Andrews), castoffs from other teams (Kevin Booth) claimed off the training camp cut scrap heaps, and mid-low round draft projects they developed in house for several years (Petrus, Beatty)


The thing that makes me think Barron is a smokescreen is that I believe Jerry said a few years back that he wasn't going to invest a lot into the Safety and Kicker positions anymore after being burned by Vanderjagt and Hamlin/R.Williams.

[visionary]

Might want to rethink your examples. Pitt, New England, NYG have all taken a safety with first round picks in recent years. Between paying big money to Antrelle Rolle and Deon Grant, and drafting Kenny Phillips in the 1st round, it's hard to think of a franchise that has allocated more resources to safety than the Giants. New York's OL is a perfect example of why you don't need to invest a lot of resources into an OL. It's Chris Snee (drafted in the 2nd round), and a bunch of low level free agents (David Baas, Stacy Andrews), castoffs from other teams (Kevin Booth) claimed off the training camp cut scrap heaps, and mid-low round draft projects they developed in house for several years (Petrus, Beatty)

of course they have taken secondary players high in the past
the point is that they value OL and front 7 ahead of secondary, WR etc and take those players when they feel those areas are shored up

if we had a history of coming up with dominant OL and front 7 without high draft picks then i would agree with you

look at our OL and front 7, mediocrity there is the reason for our december swoons, not romo

look at the last giants game, their lines had their way with us
our lines were overwhelmed

a team that scores 6 rushing TDs all year needs to have the OL seriously upgraded

being able to finish off drives scoring rushing TDs will help romo and this team in december and january

this draft should be all about OL and front 7 IMO
the secondary will be more than adequate with Carr and Pool
there is talk the bacari rambo might declare for the supp draft, he could be our long term FS answer

just my .02

[InmanRoshi]

The thing that makes me think Barron is a smokescreen is that I believe Jerry said a few years back that he wasn't going to invest a lot into the Safety and Kicker positions anymore after being burned by Vanderjagt and Hamlin/R.Williams.

The thing that makes me thing Baron is more than a smokescreen is Rob Ryan said at the Senior Bowl that he was just looking at DBs and that he's seemingly getting the same vetting process that Tyron Smith got last year.

[AZBOYZFAN]

Based on Free's play last year I am not convinced of that, the division alone is loaded with big time pass rushers. I am hopeful he can get it down but he needs to show us.




No one seems to think about all the TE and RB help went to Smith this past year and Free was left on an island against some of the best pass rushers in the NFL w/o off season workouts. I personally think its too early to move Free and Smith. I believe Smith needs another full year in the NFL w/o so much TE/RB help to show he can let up less then the 8 sacks he did at RT w/ all that help.

[InmanRoshi]

look at the last giants game, their lines had their way with us
our lines were overwhelmed


Romo threw for 321 yards and 289 yards in both Giants games, respectively. Both games he had QB Ratings over 100. In the first game he had a mind boggling 140+ QB Rating. We lost that game because our pass defense couldn't hold Eli under 37 points.

That's how pathetic our pass defense was last year. A QB with a 140 Passer Rating is the losing QB.

[kmd24]

Romo threw for 321 yards and 289 yards in both Giants games, respectively. Both games he had QB Ratings over 100. In the first game he had a mind boggling 140+ QB Rating. We lost that game because our pass defense couldn't hold Eli under 37 points.

That's how pathetic our pass defense was last year. A QB with a 140 Passer Rating is the losing QB.

Hard to believe we were up by 12 in that game with 5 minutes to go and still had time to get in position for a FG after they took the lead. And most people focused on the incomplete pass to Austin as the reason we lost.

[kmd24]

I'm warming up to Barron. I really hope we come out of this draft with a pass rushing 5 tech DE, but it seems like this draft is unusually deep at the position, and there is a possibility we could get a decent DE in the second round.

Seems like every year we are looking for a good coverage safety, but you just don't see those guys very often. Barron's been labeled a box safety by some, but if the reports saying he has good range and good ability to play the ball in the air are accurate, he'd be a welcome addition.

[rocboy22]

Hard to believe we were up by 12 in that game with 5 minutes to go and still had time to get in position for a FG after they took the lead. And most people focused on the incomplete pass to Austin as the reason we lost.

by "most people" you mean idiots, right?

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm warming up to Barron. I really hope we come out of this draft with a pass rushing 5 tech DE, but it seems like this draft is unusually deep at the position, and there is a possibility we could get a decent DE in the second round.

Seems like every year we are looking for a good coverage safety, but you just don't see those guys very often. Barron's been labeled a box safety by some, but if the reports saying he has good range and good ability to play the ball in the air are accurate, he'd be a welcome addition.

Yeah, I'm starting to warm up to Barron also.

[burmafrd]

What's so funny? Glenn is an immense talent and IMO has more upside than Decastro.

Decastro is a safer pick but Glenn was a boss in the SEC.

Plus for the Cowboys I think Glenn is more of the classic Cowboy lineman.


1) Red Ball has said he likes quicker faster O linemen. Decastro is that and Glenn is not
2) Upside? so he can play RT passably well. Whoopee

3) Why is it that virtually no one with any cred agrees with you?

[visionary]

Romo threw for 321 yards and 289 yards in both Giants games, respectively. Both games he had QB Ratings over 100. In the first game he had a mind boggling 140+ QB Rating. We lost that game because our pass defense couldn't hold Eli under 37 points.

That's how pathetic our pass defense was last year. A QB with a 140 Passer Rating is the losing QB.

i would be ok with taking Barron if we address OL and front 7 with the next 3 picks (which is very possible)

we were up 12 with 5 minutes to go in the game

if we had a great OL, we could have run out the clock but could not do it

that is an indictment of the OL and our defense

[InmanRoshi]

that is an indictment of the OL and our defense

Frankly, I find that "both sidez r equally to blame" is utter nonsense. The offense put up 34 points on the board. With a pass defense even remotely in the category of "passable" that game is over by the 3rd quarter.

I don't know why some of you hate Tony Romo so much that you put him in a position where he has to throw for 350 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 120 QB Rating every game for his team to win. Talk about being put in a position to fail.

[CATCH17]

1) Red Ball has said he likes quicker faster O linemen. Decastro is that and Glenn is not
2) Upside? so he can play RT passably well. Whoopee

3) Why is it that virtually no one with any cred agrees with you?

We'll see on draft day. I stand by what i've said. Decastro is currently the better player but Glenn has a higher ceiling.


It's all about projections and I project his ceiling to be higher than Decastro's.



Personally I feel like if we draft Decastro he will get moved to Center and he would be an absolute boss at center if he can snap.

[visionary]

Frankly, I find that "both sidez r equally to blame" is utter nonsense. The offense put up 34 points on the board. With a pass defense even remotely in the category of "passable" that game is over by the 3rd quarter.

I don't know why some of you hate Tony Romo so much that you put him in a position where he has to throw for 350 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 120 QB Rating every game for his team to win. Talk about being put in a position to fail.

if after reading my previous 2 posts in this thread (both specifically in response to your posts and in one of which I specificaly stated that the blame is on the OL and NOT ROMO) you came to the conclusion that i think romo is to blame and the i hate romo then you either have an agenda or a comprehension problem

[jterrell]

I am breaking my TV if we pass on DeCastro

just donate it to a local charity now and follow on the radio so you break something of lesser value.

[jterrell]

if after reading my previous 2 posts in this thread (both specifically in response to your posts and in one of which I specificaly stated that the blame is on the OL and NOT ROMO) you came to the conclusion that i think romo is to blame and the i hate romo then you either have an agenda or a comprehension problem

He is saying your model of "helping" Romo means he has to pass for 400 yards and 5 TDs to win. (thus you must dislike him)

How the Jets won with Sanchez is more QB friendly than having 5 R1 OL and asking for miraculous QB production.


Last year Dallas had crap defense and a week INT OL. They clearly did make it hard on Romo.

[visionary]

He is saying your model of "helping" Romo means he has to pass for 400 yards and 5 TDs to win. (thus you must dislike him)

How the Jets won with Sanchez is more QB friendly than having 5 R1 OL and asking for miraculous QB production.


Last year Dallas had crap defense and a week INT OL. They clearly did make it hard on Romo.

i understand what you are saying and in large part agree with it

defense was more to blame in last years losses so we need to shore it up (i get that)

however, part of the blame also resides with the OL

take romo out of it, if we had a dominant OL when we were up 12 with 5 minutes to play and were able to run for a couple of first downs, we would have won the game

i am saying the opposite of what he is talking about, i am saying that if we have a great OL:

1) we will be able to run more consistently which will take the pressure off romo so he does not have to throw 40 times

2) we will be able to finish off drives by scoring rushing TDs more than once in a blue moon, this would also take the pressure off romo

3) he will not have pass rushers coming free at him so he can stay healthy

IR is just creating a strawman argument that i am calling for a better OL so the pressure will be even more on romo, that is far from the truth

[btcutter]

i understand what you are saying and in large part agree with it

defense was more to blame in last years losses so we need to shore it up (i get that)

however, part of the blame also resides with the OL

take romo out of it, if we had a dominant OL when we were up 12 with 5 minutes to play and were able to run for a couple of first downs, we would have won the game

i am saying the opposite of what he is talking about, i am saying that if we have a great OL:

1) we will be able to run more consistently which will take the pressure off romo so he does not have to throw 40 times

2) we will be able to finish off drives by scoring rushing TDs more than once in a blue moon, this would also take the pressure off romo

3) he will not have pass rushers coming free at him so he can stay healthy

IR is just creating a strawman argument that i am calling for a better OL so the pressure will be even more on romo, that is far from the truth

Given what JJ has done in terms of $$ to FA OL, in the team's mind they have addresses the OL issues significantly. Even if the OL improves marginally with the new additions and year 1 players, our OL should be better....can't really be worse...

DL and OLB remained status quo and we simply cannot have that. Poole is at best a temp solution for 1 yr and Jenkins is probably leaving after this yr so the BIGGER holes are on the defensive side.

I can see 5 of 7 picks on D. S, CB, DT, DE, OLB are all needs.

[jterrell]

i understand what you are saying and in large part agree with it

defense was more to blame in last years losses so we need to shore it up (i get that)

however, part of the blame also resides with the OL

take romo out of it, if we had a dominant OL when we were up 12 with 5 minutes to play and were able to run for a couple of first downs, we would have won the game

i am saying the opposite of what he is talking about, i am saying that if we have a great OL:

1) we will be able to run more consistently which will take the pressure off romo so he does not have to throw 40 times

2) we will be able to finish off drives by scoring rushing TDs more than once in a blue moon, this would also take the pressure off romo

3) he will not have pass rushers coming free at him so he can stay healthy

IR is just creating a strawman argument that i am calling for a better OL so the pressure will be even more on romo, that is far from the truth

We lost our running backs to injury last year at a fairly rapid rate. That tends to effect how we run the ball as much as the beleaguered OL.
This team didn't suffer for lack of rushing yardage at all until Murray was out.

We gave up 400 yards to Eli... 400.... That is hard to do against a 2nd string defense.

His argument isn't a straw man at all. It is very logical.

1. You give Romo more R1 offensive line help thus raising expectations of the offense.
2. You fail to address a soft defense beyond Carr thus meaning we still need 30+ points to beat the Eagles and Giants.
3. Expectations for Romo are insanely high and he is already criticized unrealistically. So it is hardly a leap to expect he'll be criticized for every mistake in every loss even if he scores 40 and we lose.

Romo had a top 5 QB season but people place him about 12th or some nonsense. That's largely because our defense bailed on the year about the time the Giants starting getting it together. Do we really need a top 3 season by our QB just to make the playoffs??? How much more is reasonable to ask of him?

The Giants entered playoff mode week 16.
week 16 they allowed 14
week 17 they allowed 14
wildcard they allowed 2!!!!
division... they allowed 20 to the Packers!!!!
conference they allowed 17 to the 9ers even in OT
SB they allowed 17 to the high scoring NE Bradys.


we have got to play better defense next year, period.

[kmd24]

We lost our running backs to injury last year at a fairly rapid rate. That tends to effect how we run the ball as much as the beleaguered OL.
This team didn't suffer for lack of rushing yardage at all until Murray was out.


That's a really good point, especially since Murray was lost early in the game under discussion.

[InmanRoshi]

That's a really good point, especially since Murray was lost early in the game under discussion.

Add on to that that Dez missed time with injury, and Miles was either out or still hampered a hamstring injury the entire year.

The offense was extremely unlucky with injuries all season, and still finished well above average in every significant category. They're likely to improve significantly next year if they just regress to the mean on injuries.


Meanwhile, the defense was remarkably lucky with health and was still utterly horrendous. Lord knows how bad they would have been if Ware or Ratliff or Lee actually had to miss 4-6 weeks of play.

[visionary]

His argument isn't a straw man at all. It is very logical.



you misunderstood my intent

I never said his argument that we need to improve our defense is a strawman, i am all for that
i think that NT, DE, S all need upgrading

his argument that OL does not require upgrading AND
that the person stating that OL needs to be upgraded so we can rush more consistently somehow "hates Romo"

are indeed strawmen of the highest order

we scored only 6 rushing TDs last year

that is an indictment of the OL

[fortdick]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo took him at 10 to be a RT. They need a RT in a bad way, and they're generally the ones most likely to make surprise picks.

The Eagles need a RT badly. That may impact their pick too.