View Full Version : Could Receiver be a higher priority than we expect?
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 08:23 AM
I mean we are 1 hit away from having Ogletree start.
This time a year ago I didn't think that was a big deal but after watching what happened last season I feel like receiver may be a higher priority for the Cowboys than we think.
Anyone think we could see Dallas go receiver as early as round 2?
Hostile
04-10-2012, 08:26 AM
No, not really.
CosmicCowboy
04-10-2012, 08:36 AM
just hope Austin's hamstrings stay healthy....:rolleyes:
cobra
04-10-2012, 08:42 AM
No. We aren't the Lions.
"The one hit away" argument is dumb because it applies at every position for every team in the league. "They are one hit away from not having Rodgers/Brees/Peterson/Brady/etc"
There is a reason backups are backups. There arent even enough quality WR starters in the league for everyone to have 2. Ogletree isn't a starter but he is a capable backup if he gets his stuff together.
That doesn't mean we are set at WR. We should look WR in the middle rounds if there is a high rated one available. And the team should keep an eye on the free agent market looking for another Robinson type.
But it certainly is not a priority and should NOT be something we do in the first two rounds. I think there is a .05% chance we would go WR in the first two rounds.
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 08:46 AM
No. We aren't the Lions.
"The one hit away" argument is dumb because it applies at every position for every team in the league. "They are one hit away from not having Rodgers/Brees/Peterson/Brady/etc"
There is a reason backups are backups. There arent even enough quality WR starters in the league for everyone to have 2. Ogletree isn't a starter but he is a capable backup if he gets his stuff together.
That doesn't mean we are set at WR. We should look WR in the middle rounds if there is a high rated one available. And the team should keep an eye on the free agent market looking for another Robinson type.
But it certainly is not a priority and should NOT be something we do in the first two rounds. I think there is a .05% chance we would go WR in the first two rounds.
The 1 hit away argument is far more likely than dumb with Austin and Dez.
The Lions also use top 10 picks on their receivers. Year after year.
I just wonder how much of a priority it is to replace Laurent Robinson.
He and Murray changed our season. We need another guy like that and Ogletree just isn't that guy like I had hoped.
Hopefully D. Harris or this other no name that Jerry is pom pom'ing steps up.
rocboy22
04-10-2012, 08:46 AM
I would hope we don't go receiver until the 5th, maybe the compensatory 4th rounder.
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 08:48 AM
I would hope we don't go receiver until the 5th, maybe the compensatory 4th rounder.
Im the same way. Im not big on collecting receivers but after what I saw last year Pre-Robinson it's made me think twice.
Chuck 54
04-10-2012, 08:49 AM
WR in round 2...unlikely, but not impossible. Someone with first round talent slides to us that far...highest rated on our board significantly, I would think we'd make the pick and assume we have our #3 or we'd trade down.
rocboy22
04-10-2012, 08:51 AM
Im the same way. Im not big on collecting receivers but after what I saw last year Pre-Robinson it's made me think twice.
The thing is, if we lose Austin or Bryant we probably would be better of with some veteran FA (like Robinson) than a rookie. I think they are just waiting this out and may pick someone up for the veteran minimum after seeing how guys are doing in camp.
Future
04-10-2012, 09:06 AM
Depends where Broyles goes...
InmanRoshi
04-10-2012, 09:11 AM
Frankly I would follow the Packers model of taking a WR the top 100 picks of every draft. No primary WR, just 4-5 guys who can exploit any weakness in a coverage matchup. Having 2 stud starters is nice, until one of those studs goes down and you got Kevin Ogletree filling in as a starter.
DFWJC
04-10-2012, 09:17 AM
If extreme value is there after the 2nd or 3rd round...who knows.
But, otherwise, I've rarely heard of a team picking a backup (or at best WR3) in the first two rounds of the draft. If they pick them that high, they expect them to start or contibute heavily...or they expect they may lose a starter to FA in a year.
Again, that assumes a player they (and obviously, only they) consider a star falls into their laps 20-40 picks later than slotted.
I agree that it has worked for Green Bay though. I think they have always felt that they scout WRs better than everyone else, so they have an advantage there. I do think part of the reason they have been picking players early is becasue they knew at some point Driver was going to hang it up or fall off in production.
They hit on Jennings but still flet theywould need another starter, so they kept trying. James Jones was iffy, so they tried some more.... They hit on Jordy, but thought they were losing Jones.
Anyway, it's not a bad idea to keep the cuppard staocked if you're a team that throws it a ton.
Zimmy Lives
04-10-2012, 09:19 AM
Anyone think we could see Dallas go receiver as early as round 2?
Only if there is value.
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 09:22 AM
If extreme value is there after the 2nd or 3rd round...who knows.
But, otherwise, I've never heard of a team picking a backup (or at best WR3) in the first two rounds of the draft. If they pick them that high, they expect them to start or contibute heavily...or they expect they may lose a starter to FA in a year.
Again, that assumes a player they (and obviously, only they) consider a star falls into their laps 20-40 picks later than slotted.
Jordy Nelson
CopenhagenCowboy
04-10-2012, 09:28 AM
This team needs a true slot WR. But you can have that in rounds 3-4.
InmanRoshi
04-10-2012, 09:30 AM
Last year the Packers took Randall Cobb in the 2nd round and he was projected to be their 5th WR behind Jennings, Driver, Nelson, James Jones. I don't think they regret it either.
I don't think I would go 2nd round, especially since it's a high 2nd, but the Cowboys should absolutely start having WRs in their radar in the 3rd round. With Austin and Dez's injury problems, and Kevin Olgree as your 3rd WR. That's an issue.
Theoretically they are in BPA mode. No position would suprise me beyond round 2.
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 09:38 AM
Theoretically they are in BPA mode. No position would suprise me beyond round 2.
This team just has soooo soo many holes. There is no way we can come away from the draft and have filled every hole.
I just know that before Murray and Robinson stepped on the field it was a circus on offense. We looked like the most poorly coached team in the league offensively.
DFWJC
04-10-2012, 09:40 AM
Last year the Packers took Randall Cobb in the 2nd round and he was projected to be their 5th WR behind Jennings, Driver, Nelson, James Jones. I don't think they regret it either.
I don't think I would go 2nd round, especially since it's a high 2nd, but the Cowboys should absolutely start having WRs in their radar in the 3rd round. With Austin and Dez's injury problems, and Kevin Olgree as your 3rd WR. That's an issue.
True about Cobb.
I think they were picking him as a potential star return man who would soon be their WR3 though. They know Driver can't go forever and Jones was assummed to have been leaving this year.
Anyway, I agree, they are probably happy with Cobb.
Hmmm, now that you mention it, the Cowboys could use a star return man and a WR3. They have many other issues too, but depending on how much they like the young guys, WR may be one too.
bsheeern
04-10-2012, 09:47 AM
I mean we are 1 hit away from having Ogletree start.
This time a year ago I didn't think that was a big deal but after watching what happened last season I feel like receiver may be a higher priority for the Cowboys than we think.
Anyone think we could see Dallas go receiver as early as round 2?
Wouldnt surprise me if we went WR in round 1 or 2. Moreso in round 2 but there's always the possibility we trade back.
Your 3rd and 4th WRs have the potential the play close the 50% of your snaps.
The WR position in the nfl becoming a very unique. Teams are using less and less of the FB position and the 2TE set. The WR position is getting the snaps in their place.
theogt
04-10-2012, 09:55 AM
Frankly I would follow the Packers model of taking a WR the top 100 picks of every draft. No primary WR, just 4-5 guys who can exploit any weakness in a coverage matchup. Having 2 stud starters is nice, until one of those studs goes down and you got Kevin Ogletree filling in as a starter.Agree 100% with this. There's a reason they seem to have a never ending supply of receivers and have one of the best passing games in the NFL.
rocboy22
04-10-2012, 09:57 AM
Agree 100% with this. There's a reason they seem to have a never ending supply of receivers and have one of the best passing games in the NFL.
Jimmy Robinson may have had something to do with that, too. Maybe we will start to see our young guys stepping up a lot more.
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 09:58 AM
Agree 100% with this. There's a reason they seem to have a never ending supply of receivers and have one of the best passing games in the NFL.
Yep and the Packers Oline isn't much better than ours.
InmanRoshi
04-10-2012, 10:16 AM
Yep and the Packers Oline isn't much better than ours.
You don't need a great OL when you can hit a quick 3 step drop quick slant to Randall Cobb matched up against some other team's equivalent of Frank Walker and he takes it 30 yards.
basstapp
04-10-2012, 10:21 AM
I would love for Blackmon to drop :)
Cowboys22
04-10-2012, 10:21 AM
I have no doubt they will take a WR at some point but I doubt it will be in the top 3 rounds. I think they will also look to add a veteran near the end of camp like they did with Robinson last year. When something works, you stick with it. There will be servicable WRs available when teams have to get down to 53 and I think Dallas will be in that market.
CATCH17
04-10-2012, 10:24 AM
I would love for Blackmon to drop :)
He probably will because he is overrated.
Wright and Floyd will be the best 2 pro's out of the top prospects.
Risen Star
04-10-2012, 10:44 AM
I mean we are 1 hit away from having Ogletree start.
This time a year ago I didn't think that was a big deal but after watching what happened last season I feel like receiver may be a higher priority for the Cowboys than we think.
Anyone think we could see Dallas go receiver as early as round 2?
Yes. I think you're right. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we drafted a WR in the first three rounds.
InmanRoshi
04-10-2012, 10:46 AM
I don't know why, but Mohamed Sanu seems to fit the mold for what the Cowboys like in WRs. Big, strong, good run blocker and tough to bring down after the catch. They just don't seem to be overly enthralled with the short, speedy shifty guys.
DFWJC
04-10-2012, 10:52 AM
I don't know why, but Mohamed Sanu seems to fit the mold for what the Cowboys like in WRs. Big, strong, good run blocker and tough to bring down after the catch. They just don't seem to be overly enthralled with the short, speedy shifty guys.
They need one though. The have a slot vacancy, so a guy just like Cobb would get a ton of reps regardless of the injury situation. He would be the R3/slot guy, so bascially a starter.
If we bring in another Austin/Bryant type guy, his value could be great if there are injuries, or he could play in 4 WR sets right away if everyone stays healthy.
Idgit
04-10-2012, 10:54 AM
I think we'll consider players who represent value at any position, but I'd be surprised if WR is a position where we're enticed to make a luxury pick.
This team does well with developing its WRs, anyway, and seems to like the young guys we've got. As for Ogletree, I don't think he makes it out of camp. We'll pick up somebody with a bit of starting experience after the draft if we don't end up drafting a player we really like. For example, Patrick Crayton's still available for you guys who were fond of him in his first go-round with the Cowboys.
cowboysooner
04-10-2012, 10:57 AM
I don't know why, but Mohamed Sanu seems to fit the mold for what the Cowboys like in WRs. Big, strong, good run blocker and tough to bring down after the catch. They just don't seem to be overly enthralled with the short, speedy shifty guys.
Sanu does fit the mold, but I'd like to break the mold a bit and get a guy with either big speed (AJ Jenkins) or real ability in the slot as a great route runner (Broyles, Adams). I think the little quick guys that catch 8 yard passes are underrated with the illegal contact rules being more strict than even in college. Manning, Brees and Brady have won 12 games a year throwing downfield far less than Dallas or the Giants. It takes a ton of pressure off of olines too.
I would not do it at 45 unless they have Jeffrey or Randle rated as 1st rounders and nobody else is close on the board.
InmanRoshi
04-10-2012, 10:59 AM
They need one though. The have a slot vacancy, so a guy just like Cobb would get a ton of reps regardless of the injury situation. He would be the R3/slot guy, so bascially a starter.
If we bring in another Austin/Bryant type guy, his value could be great if there are injuries, or he could play in 4 WR sets right away if everyone stays healthy.
I just think they like guys who can line up at all three slots and can step into any position at a moments notice. There have been no shortage of the slot/return guys that everyone likes out on the market ... they could have gotten Roscoe Parrish for a flier for nothing.
Then again, they seem to be after Broyles hot and heavy, so maybe they prove me wrong.
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