Colin Cowherd facts...

[a_minimalist]

I have now heard him say something along this line twice. Of the last 24-26 players the Cowboys have drafted, around half are no longer in the nfl. This making us one of the worst teams at drafting. If this is true I hope someone shows that statistic to Jerry Jones before this years draft.

[supercowboy8]

I have now heard him say something along this line twice. Of the last 24-26 players the Cowboys have drafted, around half are no longer in the nfl. This making us one of the worst teams at drafting. If this is true I hope someone shows that statistic to Jerry Jones before this years draft.

2009 plays into this due to we had alot of picks in that draft but we didn't start until the 3rd round.

This is just another BS stat Cowherd uses to be like most national media to get ratings. If you hate on a very popular team you have more listeners.

[supercowboy8]

you show me many teams that still have 4th-7th round picks still on the team from 2009 and beyond.

Also Cowherds stupid stat doesn't account for the UDFA hits like Miles and Romo

2009
3rd round
Jason Williams LB
Robert Brewster

4th round
Stephen McGee QB
Victor Butler DE
Brandon Williams DE

5th round
DeAngelo Smith DB
Michael Hamlin DB
David Buehler K

6th round
Stephen Hodge DB
John Phillips TE

7th round
Mike Mickens DB
Manuel Johnson WR

[a_minimalist]

2009 plays into this due to we had alot of picks in that draft but we didn't start until the 3rd round.

This is just another BS stat Cowherd uses to be like most national media to get ratings. If you hate on a very popular team you have more listeners.

Well he actually states that he's a Cowboys fan but as long as Jerry is the Owner/GM he thinks we will be unsuccessful, stating that it's too hard to do both.

[Hostile]

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[rocboy22]

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lol.


And, don't listen to Cowturd

[supercowboy8]

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I fixed it. I dont understand why it does that when al I do is a simple copy and paste

[supercowboy8]

Well he actually states that he's a Cowboys fan but as long as Jerry is the Owner/GM he thinks we will be unsuccessful, stating that it's too hard to do both.

well he is wrong. Jerry has won more or just as many superbowls being a GM than any other GM since 1992.

[a_minimalist]

I actually like Cowherd. I was just curious as to how accurate this was.

[Hostile]

I fixed it. I dont understand why it does that when al I do is a simple copy and paste
It's just a format thing. The format from the copy is not the same as this forum, so when it cannot interpret the space, there is none.

[TheCount]

you show me many teams that still have 4th-7th round picks still on the team from 2009 and beyond.

He's not talking about "no longer on the team", he said no longer in the NFL. Bit of a difference.

[supercowboy8]

I actually like Cowherd. I was just curious as to how accurate this was.
you just have to take the 2009 draft into it. You take that out and include the 2008 draft then its about average.

Cowherd is just a shot jock that like many just says what ever he can to rip the most famous teams.

[supercowboy8]

He's not talking about "no longer on the team", he said no longer in the NFL. Bit of a difference.

ok look at how many 4th-7th round picks Dallas had in 2009, show me how many teams ht on 5th,6th, and 7th rounders, and that are still in the NFL.

The 2009 draft is what makes this stat.

[a_minimalist]

ok look at how many 4th-7th round picks Dallas had in 2009, show me how many teams ht on 5th,6th, and 7th rounders, and that are still in the NFL.

The 2009 draft is what makes this stat.

well some of those 2009 players are still on the team and in the league so they don't. and if they all did it would only add up to half. it was an interesting stat and i don't think it was meant to bash the cowboys. like i said, he likes the cowboys.

[TheCount]

ok look at how many 4th-7th round picks Dallas had in 2009, show me how many teams ht on 5th,6th, and 7th rounders, and that are still in the NFL.

The 2009 draft is what makes this stat.

Do your own work, I'm not your assistant. :laugh2:

[a_minimalist]

ok look at how many 4th-7th round picks Dallas had in 2009, show me how many teams ht on 5th,6th, and 7th rounders, and that are still in the NFL.

He took this into account and I believe he said the Steelers still have all of their players on their team except for a loss of 6, give or take a few.

[supercowboy8]

He took this into account and I believe he said the Steelers still have all of their players on their team except for a loss of 6, give or take a few.

ok but do those 5th,6th, and 7th round players start. the steelers have older players all over the place. The players they draft is just backups that hardly play.

Stellers is one of the best developing teams in the NFL. But they have won how many superbowls since 1992 and how many has Jerry won.

[a_minimalist]

ok but do those 5th,6th, and 7th round players start. the steelers have older players all over the place. The players they draft is just backups that hardly play.

Stellers is one of the best developing teams in the NFL. But they have won how many superbowls since 1992 and how many has Jerry won.

I think his point was to simply question the drafting methods of the Cowboys. It was to make a distinction that the Cowboys tend to draft players who lack enough character to contribute anything to a team, therefore they get cut, and they are so bad that no other teams want them. Most teams keep their draft picks and use them for years, even if they don't start. Or they cut them and they get picked up by another team. I think there is something to be said about that. I don't have all of the facts though.

I think it's admirable how you are defending the Cowboys and their draft process but if those statistics are accurate it is definitely something that needs examining.

[junk]

ok but do those 5th,6th, and 7th round players start. the steelers have older players all over the place. The players they draft is just backups that hardly play.

Stellers is one of the best developing teams in the NFL. But they have won how many superbowls since 1992 and how many has Jerry won.

They've won 2 since 1992. They've also appeared in another one and won 17 playoff games. Dallas has won 3 and won 12 playoff games.

But, let's look at a more telling stat, how many Super Bowls and playoff games have they won once Jerry reclaimed personnel control after Jimmy left?

Pittsburgh has won 2, appeared in another and won 17 playoff games.

Dallas has won 1 and won 6 playoff games including 1 since 1997.

Pittsburgh is a team that consistently competes. Dallas does not.

I cannot understand the lengths people will go to defend Jerry around here.

[CATCH17]

I just heard the guy a couple of months ago praising our last 2 drafts.

[CashMan]

well he is wrong. Jerry has won more or just as many superbowls being a GM than any other GM since 1992.


How many SBs has he won in the salary cap era? I would not count 1995, since it was in the 2nd year of the cap.

[CashMan]

I just heard the guy a couple of months ago praising our last 2 drafts.

With Dan Patrick being on TV, why would you watch Cowheard?

[DFWJC]

Cowherd thought the Cowboys would win the East last year and he picked us to make noise again this season.

He was just stating facts.

I actually like our last two drafts just fine.

[a_minimalist]

I like Cowherd. I think he's a lot smarter than the other guys out there and for the most part maintains an objective point of view. Not to mention he usually sides with the Cowboys.

[ragingbull2488]

Looks Like Cowherd was a little off lol. NA= not active, A= active.


Jason Williams- A, Carolina Panthers

Brewster- NA

Stephen McGee- A, Dallas Cowboys

Victor Butler- A, Dallas Cowboys

Brandon Williams- A, Arizona Cardinals

Smith- NA

Hamlin- NA

David Buehler- NA

Smith- NA

John Phillips- A, Dallas Cowboys

Mickens- NA

Manuel Johnson- A, Dallas Cowboys

Dez Bryant- A, Dallas Cowboys

Sean Lee- A, Dallas Cowboys

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah- A, Jacksonville Jaguars

Sam Young- A, Buffalo Bills

Jamar Wall- NA

Sean Lissemore- A, Dallas Cowboys

Tyron Smith- A, Dallas Cowboys

Bruce Carter- A, Dallas Cowboys

Demarco Murray- A, Dallas Cowboys

David Arkin- A, Dallas Cowboys

Josh Thomas- A, Carolina Panthers

Dwayne Harris- A, Dallas Cowboys

Shaun Chapas- A, Dallas Cowboys

Bill Nagy- A, Dallas Cowboys

[a_minimalist]

Looks Like Cowherd was a little off lol. NA= not active, A= active.


Jason Williams- A, Carolina Panthers

Brewster- NA

Stephen McGee- A, Dallas Cowboys

Victor Butler- A, Dallas Cowboys

Brandon Williams- A, Arizona Cardinals

Smith- NA

Hamlin- NA

David Buehler- NA

Smith- NA

John Phillips- A, Dallas Cowboys

Mickens- NA

Manuel Johnson- A, Dallas Cowboys

Dez Bryant- A, Dallas Cowboys

Sean Lee- A, Dallas Cowboys

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah- A, Jacksonville Jaguars

Sam Young- A, Buffalo Bills

Jamar Wall- NA

Sean Lissemore- A, Dallas Cowboys

Tyron Smith- A, Dallas Cowboys

Bruce Carter- A, Dallas Cowboys

Demarco Murray- A, Dallas Cowboys

David Arkin- A, Dallas Cowboys

Josh Thomas- A, Carolina Panthers

Dwayne Harris- A, Dallas Cowboys

Shaun Chapas- A, Dallas Cowboys

Bill Nagy- A, Dallas Cowboys

LOL, if that's accurate then mr cowherd was WAY OFF and that alone discredits just about anything he says in the future, at least in my eyes.

[ragingbull2488]

LOL, if that's accurate then mr cowherd was WAY OFF and that alone discredits just about anything he says in the future, at least in my eyes.

Yeah it is all correct. That is exactly 26 picks including the 2009 draft. I went through each and every pick and looked up their status in the NFL and that is what I got. I got only 7 out of 26 that aren't currently in the NFL.

[a_minimalist]

Yeah it is all correct. That is exactly 26 picks including the 2009 draft. I went through each and every pick and looked up their status in the NFL and that is what I got. I got only 7 out of 26 that aren't currently in the NFL.

well that he is clearly talking out of his back end.

[ragingbull2488]

well that he is clearly talking out of his back end.

And just over half of them are still playing for Dallas. Total of 14 are still on the team.

[Hussein]

Your right, 2009 adversely impacts the number but you can't afford to throw away an entire draft like we did. It was a wasted year.

[arglebargle]

They've won 2 since 1992. They've also appeared in another one and won 17 playoff games. Dallas has won 3 and won 12 playoff games.

But, let's look at a more telling stat, how many Super Bowls and playoff games have they won once Jerry reclaimed personnel control after Jimmy left?

Pittsburgh has won 2, appeared in another and won 17 playoff games.

Dallas has won 1 and won 6 playoff games including 1 since 1997.

Pittsburgh is a team that consistently competes. Dallas does not.

I cannot understand the lengths people will go to defend Jerry around here.

However, looking at Johnson's drafts in Miami, it would be a hard sell to posit him as some drafting genius.

[Yuma Cactus]

However, looking at Johnson's drafts in Miami, it would be a hard sell to posit him as some drafting genius.

Concur.

[CCBoy]

I have now heard him say something along this line twice. Of the last 24-26 players the Cowboys have drafted, around half are no longer in the nfl. This making us one of the worst teams at drafting. If this is true I hope someone shows that statistic to Jerry Jones before this years draft.

Someone should just slap an adult pampers on the man, and shove back into the street to play...:rolleyes:

[junk]

However, looking at Johnson's drafts in Miami, it would be a hard sell to posit him as some drafting genius.

I do think the team was somewhat fortunate with the timing of their run and their plethora of draft picks.

Considering Jimmy (and most of his staff) had just come from the college ranks, I'm sure they were familiar with the players coming out and the players in the pipeline. By the time he got to Miami, that may not have been the case any longer. I concur that his drafts in Miami were dreadful.

However, that still doesn't diminish the fact that once Jerry took control of personnel, Dallas has been in quite dismal.

[a_minimalist]

So I've heard him state what I mentioned earlier, but slightly different than what I stated, for the third time this week. He says "of the last 26 players drafted half have either been traded or are out of the league.". Take what you want from it. And my apologies for getting it wrong the first time.

[arglebargle]

I do think the team was somewhat fortunate with the timing of their run and their plethora of draft picks.

Considering Jimmy (and most of his staff) had just come from the college ranks, I'm sure they were familiar with the players coming out and the players in the pipeline. By the time he got to Miami, that may not have been the case any longer. I concur that his drafts in Miami were dreadful.

However, that still doesn't diminish the fact that once Jerry took control of personnel, Dallas has been in quite dismal.

Agree about the early years of Jimmy in Dallas as well: He knew a lot about five years worth of recruiting classes.

I think Jerry does fine when he's got an organized coach who can give him a buying plan for the future. He's done best with Parcells and Garrett. Even the Parcells era misses were often Parcells' personal bad choices, despite his otherwise good system setup for the draft.

This leads me to be quite optimistic for the future, actually.

[junk]

Agree about the early years of Jimmy in Dallas as well: He knew a lot about five years worth of recruiting classes.

I think Jerry does fine when he's got an organized coach who can give him a buying plan for the future. He's done best with Parcells and Garrett. Even the Parcells era misses were often Parcells' personal bad choices, despite his otherwise good system setup for the draft.

This leads me to be quite optimistic for the future, actually.

I do think Parcells changed the culture for the better.

However, I don't want a GM just relying on what the coach says. That's how you get Robert Brewsters, AOAs and Jason Williams.

You need that balance and that includes a qualified personnel man as GM overseeing the process.

2007-2008 weren't great drafts. 2009 was a train wreck. 2010 wasn't deep, but appears to be fairly high quality. It really depends on if Dez reaches his potential.

2011 looks promising. All depends if Carter develops, Murray stays healthy and if Arkin becomes anything.

[CATCH17]

I do think Parcells changed the culture for the better.

However, I don't want a GM just relying on what the coach says. That's how you get Robert Brewsters, AOAs and Jason Williams.

You need that balance and that includes a qualified personnel man as GM overseeing the process.

2007-2008 weren't great drafts. 2009 was a train wreck. 2010 wasn't deep, but appears to be fairly high quality. It really depends on if Dez reaches his potential.

2011 looks promising. All depends if Carter develops, Murray stays healthy and if Arkin becomes anything.


It's such a waste of time to even discuss.

We're stuck with Jerry as the GM and the only way you can change it is by not financially supporting the team.

Just hope he gets it right and we can somehow get a Superbowl again one day.

[junk]

It's such a waste of time to even discuss.

We're stuck with Jerry as the GM and the only way you can change it is by not financially supporting the team.

Just hope he gets it right and we can somehow get a Superbowl again one day.

Well, that's really it. It won't change.

A coach is going to have to succeed in spite of Jerry. It's hard enough to win in the NFL without handicapping yourself from the get go.

Maybe some day Jerry learns enough that Dallas gets over the hump. However, I don't think we should be happy about nor do I think Jerry should get the defense he does at times around here.

[ghst187]

2009
3rd round
Jason Williams LB
Robert Brewster

4th round
Stephen McGee QB
Victor Butler DE
Brandon Williams DE

5th round
DeAngelo Smith DB
Michael Hamlin DB
David Buehler K

6th round
Stephen Hodge DB
John Phillips TE

7th round
Mike Mickens DB
Manuel Johnson WR

I think most people on this board knew the days of the draft in 2009 that we blew that one so badly it'd take us a while to recover....and what do ya know...here we are several years later finishing .500