Manson Denied Parole... Of Course

[Hostile]

They read something he said to the prison psychologist that piqued my curiosity a bit.

"I'm special. I'm not like the average inmate. I have spent my life in prison. I have put five people in the grave. I am a very dangerous man."


Five?


1. Sharon Tate
2. Her unborn child
3. Steven Parent
4. Jay Sebring
5. Abigail Folger
6. Voycheck Frykowski
7. Rosemary LaBianca
8. Leno LaBianca
9. Gary Hinman
10. Shorty Shea

Okay, now to my knowledge the only one that it has ever been determined that Manson directly killed was Shorty Shea, and even there two other "family" members were involved.

You can discount the fetus and say he was only talking about the Tate murders. But no matter how you break it down, he is either denying involvement in the rest or confessing to 4 more that no one knows about and denying all of the "family" murders.

[ZeroClub]

Manson is half-crazy and full sociopath.

IMO, no point in seriously considering virtually anything he has to say.

[Sam I Am]

Well, I'm disappointed. I was hoping they would release him and he would move to Philly.

[The30YardSlant]

The guy is, for lack of a better term, bat**** crazy...the kind of crazy that can't be helped by modern medicine. He's the most dangerous kind of person, a mentally unstable sociopath. I wouldn't read too much into his psychotic ramblings.

[vta]

I don't know about the parole board, but at this point I can't imagine he's kidding anyone else with that sort of ignorant talk. The impotent old fool didn't want to get out.

Aside from knowing no other life, there are no prospects for a 77 year old sociopath aside from leaving guaranteed shelter and food to die like a dog in the streets. Like he deserves.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

He's like a modern day Joker. Just absolutely insane and should be put down. Burn in hell.

[daboyzruleperiod]

Well, I'm disappointed. I was hoping they would release him and he would move to Philly.

LOL, you mean....PLAY for Philly.

[Dallas]

With the new CA parole laws. He doesn't have to have another parole hearing for 15 years, if I read it correctly.

Literally.....

Dead man walking....

[5Stars]

With the new CA parole laws. He doesn't have to have another parole hearing for 15 years, if I read it correctly.

Literally.....

Dead man walking....

He was a dead man walking the minute he was sentenced to prison.

[casmith07]

He could be talking about 5 people put in the grave since he went to prison.

[5Stars]

He could be talking about 5 people put in the grave since he went to prison.

It could be...it seems that there were some reports that he killed a few people in prison, or ordered someone killed on the outside.

[casmith07]

It could be...it seems that there were some reports that he killed a few people in prison, or ordered someone killed on the outside.

Correct, that's what I meant as well but I didn't say it right.

Could have been that he killed either other inmates or had people killed by his followers on the outside.

[Hostile]

Many years ago my Mom got bit by a brown recluse spider. We took her to the hospital in Las Cruces, New Mexico. They needed a blood sample and this woman came in to do the blood work. On her forehead I see the X of the Manson family.

I refused to let her draw my Mom's blood. When she asked why I told her I knew what that mark meant. She said, "That was a long time ago and I was young and foolish."

To this day I do not know who in the "family" that she was, but I don't trust any of them as far as I can throw a piano.

[cowboy_ron]

So he'll be up for parole again when he's 92

[BraveHeartFan]

Many years ago my Mom got bit by a brown recluse spider. We took her to the hospital in Las Cruces, New Mexico. They needed a blood sample and this woman came in to do the blood work. On her forehead I see the X of the Manson family.

I refused to let her draw my Mom's blood. When she asked why I told her I knew what that mark meant. She said, "That was a long time ago and I was young and foolish."

To this day I do not know who in the "family" that she was, but I don't trust any of them as far as I can throw a piano.


I remember watching some sort of special a few years ago on a couple of the women from his "family" and how they'd changed their names and been living lives hidden where they are trying to get away from the association they had with that "family".

[Hostile]

I remember watching some sort of special a few years ago on a couple of the women from his "family" and how they'd changed their names and been living lives hidden where they are trying to get away from the association they had with that "family".I don't blame them at all. But this gal was goofy enough to have carved that in her head. That to means at one time she was pretty far gone.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Many years ago my Mom got bit by a brown recluse spider. We took her to the hospital in Las Cruces, New Mexico. They needed a blood sample and this woman came in to do the blood work. On her forehead I see the X of the Manson family.

I refused to let her draw my Mom's blood. When she asked why I told her I knew what that mark meant. She said, "That was a long time ago and I was young and foolish."

To this day I do not know who in the "family" that she was, but I don't trust any of them as far as I can throw a piano.

what would you have done if she was the only one there to take the blood?

[Hostile]

what would you have done if she was the only one there to take the blood?In a freaking hospital, only one person can take blood?

I'd have done it myself at that point, and yes I can do that.

[casmith07]

what would you have done if she was the only one there to take the blood?

Come on, man, really? Completely implausible in a hospital.

[5Stars]

In a freaking hospital, only one person can take blood?

I'd have done it myself at that point, and yes I can do that.

There is only one person in a hospital in Canada that can take your blood. If the person is not there, an orderly has to punch the person in the nose to get some blood.

It's really not that hard to comprehend.


;)

[Hostile]

There is only one person in a hospital in Canada that can take your blood. If the person is not there, an orderly has to punch the person in the nose to get some blood.

It's really not that hard to comprehend.


;)
As long as they understand I will also draw blood in retaliation, no sweat.

[5Stars]

As long as they understand I will also draw blood in retaliation, no sweat.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Come on, man, really? Completely implausible in a hospital.

it is hyperbole to show how silly taking that ridiculous a position is

[CanadianCowboysFan]

There is only one person in a hospital in Canada that can take your blood. If the person is not there, an orderly has to punch the person in the nose to get some blood.

It's really not that hard to comprehend.


;)

yeah we are such a backward country, only have longer lifespands, less obesity and healthier poulations than our sister to the south

[Hostile]

it is hyperbole to show how silly taking that ridiculous a position isIt didn't show anything. Maybe you'd let her draw your Mom's blood. I didn't and I don't care how you feel about that.

[casmith07]

it is hyperbole to show how silly taking that ridiculous a position is

No, it isn't. It's an extremely implausible scenario that would only play out in Hollywood.

[Hostile]

No, it isn't. It's an extremely implausible scenario that would only play out in Hollywood.He is dying to find some way in which I would relax my principles. It is an effort in futility.

[BraveHeartFan]

yeah we are such a backward country, only have longer lifespands, less obesity and healthier poulations than our sister to the south

Wow is someone on their high horse today. Better watch out cause the fall off that thing will hurt.

[BraveHeartFan]

it is hyperbole to show how silly taking that ridiculous a position is


I am curious. Why is it such a ridiculous position?

[casmith07]

Wow is someone on their high horse today. Better watch out cause the fall off that thing will hurt.

I always see this image when someone says that phrase :D

http://empowermoments.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/your-high-horse.jpg

[The30YardSlant]

yeah we are such a backward country, only have longer lifespands, less obesity and healthier poulations than our sister to the south

70% of your country is an inhospitable ice shelf, it takes 18 months to get a knee replacement and you were founded by the French. We win. :)

[Cajuncowboy]

what would you have done if she was the only one there to take the blood?

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

Whew! I needed that laugh.

[The30YardSlant]

it is hyperbole to show how silly taking that ridiculous a position is

What's silly is your insistance on always being contrarian and refusing to accept that not everyone is as morally inconsistent as you are.

[Cajuncowboy]

yeah we are such a backward country, only have longer lifespands, less obesity and healthier poulations than our sister to the south

That's why your PM came here to get a new heart. LOL!

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jacksonville-fl/T19967CQTMDBD7LMP

What a system you got up there.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You can never trust the french...whether it's france, french canadians or cajuns.

Just Kidding...I like to kid the candian and the cajun.

[Cajuncowboy]

You can never trust the french...whether it's france, french canadians or cajuns.

Just Kidding...I like to kid the candian and the cajun.

Doubt you can get good boudin in Canada. So Cajuns>Canadians.

:p:

[The30YardSlant]

You can never trust the french...whether it's france, french canadians or cajuns.

Just Kidding...I like to kid the candian and the cajun.

The cajuns do have great food, but the Canadians have...trees?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Let's get this back on topic.

I have always believed that Manson never wanted out of jail.

I think some of his followers did because of various reasons but never believed that charlie wanted out of jail.

[Cajuncowboy]

The cajuns do have great food, but the Canadians have...trees?

Tree huggers. ;)

[Cajuncowboy]

Let's get this back on topic.

I have always believed that Manson never wanted out of jail.

I think some of his followers did because of various reasons but never believed that charlie wanted out of jail.

I think I read somewhere that he has only been free for about a total of 15 years of his life when you take into account the orphanages, youth detention and prison. It is the only life he knows so probably he didn't want out.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think I read somewhere that he has only been free for about a total of 15 years of his life when you take into account the orphanages, youth detention and prison. It is the only life he knows so probably he didn't want out.

Yeah the whole institutionalized type of thing is there IMO (think shawshank redemption for those that don't get what I am saying)...however I also think there is something there that he knows that if he ever got out he would do something again and part of him does not want to.

There have been cases in the past where some prisoners time was up and they asked to stay because they were afraid they would go out and do something again...only to be let out because the sentence time was up and indeed did go out and do bad things again.

There are also reports or theories that basically say that some killers do things make them get caught. By that I mean they want to get caught even though they may not realize it.

[The30YardSlant]

Let's get this back on topic.

I have always believed that Manson never wanted out of jail.

I think some of his followers did because of various reasons but never believed that charlie wanted out of jail.

I try not to worry myself with the thought processes of psychotic sociopaths. I tend to believe that any of the numerous evil and strange things he has done both in and out of prison should simply be chalked up to him being a nutcase.

Besides, I don't think there was ever any ACTUAL chance of him getting parole regardless.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I try not to worry myself with the thought processes of psychotic sociopaths. I tend to believe that any of the numerous evil and strange things he has done both in and out of prison should simply be chalked up to him being a nutcase.

Besides, I don't think there was ever any ACTUAL chance of him getting parole regardless.

No there is no chance...He did not even report to his parole hearing this time because either he did not really want out or he was not going to waste his time because he knew he would not get out.

[Aikmaniac]

There was a documentary/short story about the Manson family on History a year or so back which detailed that week leading up to the Tate murders.

The influence he had on those girls was absolutely chilling. It literally had me thinking about it for a couple days after.

Many of you may know this, but the house owned by Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski was previously owned by a record-label manager that was approached several times by Manson.

Evidently, the psycho played some music and thought he was pretty good. The manager blew him off. Apparently, some think he thought the house was cursed and had his family take out anyone that lived there.

Again...chilling.

[iceberg]

70% of your country is an inhospitable ice shelf, it takes 18 months to get a knee replacement and you were founded by the French. We win. :)

yea, lord knows we never needed the french.

[iceberg]

What's silly is your insistance on always being contrarian and refusing to accept that not everyone is as morally inconsistent as you are.

didn't you just the other day say something to the effect "if you don't think like me on ware being #1 you're wrong"?

[Cajuncowboy]

There was a documentary/short story about the Manson family on History a year or so back which detailed that week leading up to the Tate murders.

The influence he had on those girls was absolutely chilling. It literally had me thinking about it for a couple days after.

Many of you may know this, but the house owned by Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski was previously owned by a record-label manager that was approached several times by Manson.

Evidently, the psycho played some music and thought he was pretty good. The manager blew him off. Apparently, some think he thought the house was cursed and had his family take out anyone that lived there.

Again...chilling.

My understanding is that he sent them to that house because he thought the producer was still there and they just happened to be the ones there. I guess Manson didn't know he moved.

[Cajuncowboy]

yea, lord knows we never needed the french.

Like I said.....Boudin!

:D :D

[Hoofbite]

There was a documentary/short story about the Manson family on History a year or so back which detailed that week leading up to the Tate murders.

The influence he had on those girls was absolutely chilling. It literally had me thinking about it for a couple days after.

Many of you may know this, but the house owned by Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski was previously owned by a record-label manager that was approached several times by Manson.

Evidently, the psycho played some music and thought he was pretty good. The manager blew him off. Apparently, some think he thought the house was cursed and had his family take out anyone that lived there.

Again...chilling.

You can start a cult if you have 3-4 very loyal people who will obey everything you say in front of your recruits until you gather a large enough following.

OT but the social interaction side of things is pretty crazy.

[iceberg]

You can start a cult if you have 3-4 very loyal people who will obey everything you say in front of your recruits until you gather a large enough following.

OT but the social interaction side of things is pretty crazy.

same thing expressed by todays methods.

doesn't change the message.

[The30YardSlant]

didn't you just the other day say something to the effect "if you don't think like me on ware being #1 you're wrong"?

What does that have to do with anything? I wasnt being contrarian, hell most everyone agreed with me.

[iceberg]

What does that have to do with anything? I wasnt being contrarian, hell most everyone agreed with me.

nevermind.

[Hoofbite]

same thing expressed by todays methods.

doesn't change the message.

Drinking?

[iceberg]

Drinking?

usually.

[Hostile]

There was a documentary/short story about the Manson family on History a year or so back which detailed that week leading up to the Tate murders.

The influence he had on those girls was absolutely chilling. It literally had me thinking about it for a couple days after.

Many of you may know this, but the house owned by Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski was previously owned by a record-label manager that was approached several times by Manson.

Evidently, the psycho played some music and thought he was pretty good. The manager blew him off. Apparently, some think he thought the house was cursed and had his family take out anyone that lived there.

Again...chilling.Yeah, Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys introduced Manson to Rudy Altobelli and Terry Melcher. Melcher is Doris Day's son. Both had lived at that address and Manson had been there before. There was even a report of Sharon Tate having seen Manson when he came looking for Melcher one time.

Manson believed the Beatles White Album was talking to him and he needed to start a race war. He got these kids hopped up on LSD, told them his name was Charles Willis Manson, then split his middle name in Will Is, and his last name to Mans Son, so that his name said Charles Will is Mans Son. They literally believed he was the son of God.

They were so into his music, sermons, and philosophies that he could literally order them to do anything. He organized huge LSD induced orgies where he chose who was being partners with who during the sex and even had homosexual relations during these orgies to show them that nothing was wrong.

These lost, impressionable kids were being fed drugs and lies about him and they convinced themselves that this guy was a savior of sorts. Charlie is Love. They would do anything for him.

It absolutely is one of the most chilling episodes in our History. The weird thing is Charlie has a whole new generation of followers who weren't even alive when all of this was happening.

Basically he preyed upon people whose lives were in a type of turmoil and told them there was no right and wrong, and then he went out of his way to be everything to them and they followed, wanting even yearning for it all to be true so that they mattered.

Classic brainwashing.

[Hostile]

My understanding is that he sent them to that house because he thought the producer was still there and they just happened to be the ones there. I guess Manson didn't know he moved.Actually Manson did know. He went to the house and Sharon Tate saw him. He talked to Rudy Altobelli himself at the guest house where William Garrettson was living. Altobelli told him Melcher no longer lived there.

Sharon Tate saw Manson, but to my knowledge he never saw her in his life.

[Hostile]

Side note...This story was on Yahoo yesterday and I do believe this guy is Manson's son.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-says-may-charles-manson-son-192931459.html

[SaltwaterServr]

Game.

70% of your country is an inhospitable ice shelf, it takes 18 months to get a knee replacement and you were founded by the French. We win. :)

Set.

What's silly is your insistance on always being contrarian and refusing to accept that not everyone is as morally inconsistent as you are.

Match.

That's why your PM came here to get a new heart. LOL!

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jacksonville-fl/T19967CQTMDBD7LMP

What a system you got up there.

[Cajuncowboy]

Classic brainwashing.

I don't buy the brainwashing stuff. They had the power to leave and they chose not to. Further, they choose to follow the nut of their own accord before they even got to the compound where all of this was to take place. Even during the Lobianco murders, one of the women said she knew what they were doing was wrong so she wasn't under some kind of spell where she didn't know right from wrong. I don't view the killers as a bunch of mixed up crazy kids. They are what they are. Killers.

JMO.

[ZeroClub]

Mixed up crazy killers, I think.

[Heisenberg]

I don't buy the brainwashing stuff. They had the power to leave and they chose not to. Further, they choose to follow the nut of their own accord before they even got to the compound where all of this was to take place. Even during the Lobianco murders, one of the women said she knew what they were doing was wrong so she wasn't under some kind of spell where she didn't know right from wrong. I don't view the killers as a bunch of mixed up crazy kids. They are what they are. Killers.

JMO.

That's how I've always leaned. I just can't buy that they didn't have any idea what they were doing. Just because they're loons and let another loon lead them down the path they went down doesn't mean they get any sympathy from me.

[Hostile]

That's how I've always leaned. I just can't buy that they didn't have any idea what they were doing. Just because they're loons and let another loon lead them down the path they went down doesn't mean they get any sympathy from me.It's not sympathy for me to feel they were brainwashed.

[BraveHeartFan]

My understanding is that he sent them to that house because he thought the producer was still there and they just happened to be the ones there. I guess Manson didn't know he moved.

That was always my understanding but Hos provided some information that I don't recall reading before. Or possibly I forgot it because I'll be honest I've never dug very deep into the study of this particular set of events. It's just not something that I've been intently interested enough in to do any real research.

I know there is that book Helter Skelter that a lot of people have read, including my wife, but I've never even read that.

Does it give a lot of details on this case and the circumstances surrounding it?


I don't buy the brainwashing stuff. They had the power to leave and they chose not to. Further, they choose to follow the nut of their own accord before they even got to the compound where all of this was to take place. Even during the Lobianco murders, one of the women said she knew what they were doing was wrong so she wasn't under some kind of spell where she didn't know right from wrong. I don't view the killers as a bunch of mixed up crazy kids. They are what they are. Killers.

JMO.

That's how I feel about a large majority of the situations where people kill someone or torture them or anything like that.


There is definately that element where people aren't right in the head for wanting to do these kinds of things, or liking them, but i've never believed that any of them didn't know what they were doing was wrong.

And heres why. If they didn't know what they were doing was wrong, and really had no grasp of what they were doing, then why do all of them try to keep from getting caught? Why do so many supposedly crazy murders, who didn't know what they were doing, go out of their way to not get caught for doing it?

It's pretty simple really. They know that what they're doing is wrong, is illegal, and they will be punished if they get caught. Thus they attempt to no get caught.


That whole brainwashed, crazy, didn't know, didn't understand type of defense simply doesn't work for me in the large majority of cases.

I'm certain there are some examples out there where it's pretty obvious the person did something and didn't know but the large majority of cases, including this one, proves otherwise to me.


It's not sympathy for me to feel they were brainwashed.


Of course not. I don't believe anyone would imply such a thing.

[Cajuncowboy]

It's not sympathy for me to feel they were brainwashed.

I don't think you have sympathy for them either. I didn't get that from your post.

But I think there is a difference between brainwashing and simply following a lunatic. People that are brainwashed are otherwise right thinking people generally. Kinda like the people who fell into the cults of Jim Jones and David Koresh. While there are some similarities, there are more things at play here. The drug culture of the Haight/Ashbury district where Manson found his family was teeming with people who chose to be in that lifestyle. They decided that they could get free drugs/booze and sex and went off with him. Maybe after they got to the compound he gained more control but simply because he controlled the food, drink and activities. There were any number of them who had the same experience that left the compound as well.

In either case, they all got what they deserved.

[5Stars]

Side note...This story was on Yahoo yesterday and I do believe this guy is Manson's son.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-says-may-charles-manson-son-192931459.html

Wow, freaky....


:eek:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

70% of your country is an inhospitable ice shelf, it takes 18 months to get a knee replacement and you were founded by the French. We win. :)

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

[dez_for_prez]

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

Give it up. Your not gonna get an American to say Canada is better or vice versa.
As a Canadian, I wish Quebec would explode.

[The30YardSlant]

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you

Most historians agree we would have won anyway, it would have just taken longer and more people would have died. The Americans had to turn the tide before the French were even willing to get involved and ultimately the English would have cut their losses as the war had clearly turned before the French arrived. England's increasing financial struggles in the early 1780s made the war virtually unwinnable given the American's resolve.

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

General population statistics of the US and Canada are not really comparable as the US population is nearly an entire order of magnitude larger. It would be like comparing the average weight of the Dallas Cowboys roster to the average weight of every player in the league, those numbers are going to vary by a good 5-10 pounds simply due to the sample size.

[zrinkill]

I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese

I will play your troll game.

Males
Average height and weight USA
190lbs ---- 5' 9.3"


Kinda males
Average height and weight Canada
182lbs ---- 5' 8.5"

[dez_for_prez]

I will play your troll game.

Males
Average height and weight USA
190lbs ---- 5' 9.3"


Kinda males
Average height and weight Canada
182lbs ---- 5' 8.5"

He said,"I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese."

Per Wiki

Life expectancy

CANADA 12th Male 78.3 Females 82.9
USA 38th Males 75.6 Females 80.8

Not all that much difference here.

(Side note) Males don't out live females in any country:eek:

Obesity

CANADA 14.3%
USA 30.6% You are 6.4% higher then the next country that is listed.

************************************************** *********

Clearly this thread has gotten hijacked. If people want to further discuss this maybe we should create a thread. Have we not learned anything from the Zimmerman thread.

Manson was insane and I'm glad he will never live to be a free man. It is kinda crazy how he was able to get his followers to do what he wanted tho.

[Cajuncowboy]

He said,"I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese."

Per Wiki

Life expectancy

CANADA 12th Male 78.3 Females 82.9
USA 38th Males 75.6 Females 80.8

Not all that much difference here.

(Side note) Males don't out live females in any country:eek:

Obesity

CANADA 14.3%
USA 30.6% You are 6.4% higher then the next country that is listed.

************************************************** *********

Clearly this thread has gotten hijacked. If people want to further discuss this maybe we should create a thread. Have we not learned anything from the Zimmerman thread.

Manson was insane and I'm glad he will never live to be a free man. It is kinda crazy how he was able to get his followers to do what he wanted tho.

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

:p:

[5Stars]

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

:p:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

(stupid cowboy fans)

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

(stupid cowboy fans)

Hey it's like this. We said "Til death do us part." After that the contract is done and we get to do what we want.

[5Stars]

Hey it's like this. We said "Til death do us part." After that the contract is done and we get to do what we want.

:lmao: :laugh2: :lmao: :laugh2:

You have to love em...

[Cajuncowboy]

the same French who basically won your war of independence for you



Once again, you know not of what you speak.

The French's first physical involvement was mostly the French Navy and then when they did try to do something they got their rear ends kicked in Newport.

Then they sent over 3000 troops at Savannah and again got themselves and the Americans butchered.

It wasn't until Rochambeau landed that there was a marked increase in the number of troops but they were not able to do much because of their proximity to the British, again in Newport.

It wasn't until Washington and Rochambeau suggested that together they and another French General (Can't remember his name) decided to take on the British at Yorktown. That is where Cornwallis surrendered. It was a combined effort but to say the French WON the American Revolution shows a complete lack on knowledge of the events.

[Jammer]

He said,"I note though you did not dispute we are healthier, live longer and are less obese."

Per Wiki

Life expectancy

CANADA 12th Male 78.3 Females 82.9
USA 38th Males 75.6 Females 80.8


This stat is misleading. Take away the murders (sad, but true) and the traffic fatalities, our life expectancy pretty much leads the world. Life expectancy is not a true image of the healthcare in the United States of America.

[Hostile]

That was always my understanding but Hos provided some information that I don't recall reading before. Or possibly I forgot it because I'll be honest I've never dug very deep into the study of this particular set of events. It's just not something that I've been intently interested enough in to do any real research.

I know there is that book Helter Skelter that a lot of people have read, including my wife, but I've never even read that.

Does it give a lot of details on this case and the circumstances surrounding it?This case has always fascinated me, and yes that book does give a lot of details. The actual crime scene photographs are online if anyone cares to go looking for them. They are very brutal.

I have always had a fascination with sociopaths. I've studied Jack the Ripper, Lizzy Borden, Dahmer, Bundy, Gein, the Nightstalker, Zodiac, and all kinds of these monsters. Manson is by far the most compelling to me.

Did any of you ever see the Manson Family Reunion on Geraldo? There are people from that group who still proclaim his innocence. Unreal.

One guy said Charlie was fun. So I guess fun people can't kill. The same guy, TJ I think was his name, admitted he was there when Manson shot a guy right in the chest. But he doesn't think he could kill anyone. How does that work?

Another person said Manson didn't kill anyone so he shouldn't be in jail. I gather these people do not know what conspiracy is. Perhaps they think Mafia dons and other underworld figures who order killings are innocent if minions carry them out since they have free will to walk away like these kids did.

It's nuts.

[ninja]

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

:p:

That's one way to look at it.

Or, maybe it just takes women more time to find their way to heaven. Women (on average) have a hard enough time finding a place even with a map and GPS.:) So, naturally ... it stands to reason that it would take them a lot longer to get find heaven also:D I kid.

[dez_for_prez]

This stat is misleading. Take away the murders (sad, but true) and the traffic fatalities, our life expectancy pretty much leads the world. Life expectancy is not a true image of the healthcare in the United States of America.

:laugh2: They are arguing over what country is better. I think the murder rate is rather important.
Also I noted the difference between the two is rather minamal.

[dez_for_prez]

Women out live men because women don't generally have to live with women. Men do. We are just generally looking to get out of the deal quicker.

:p:

You are reading my mind.

[BraveHeartFan]

This case has always fascinated me, and yes that book does give a lot of details. The actual crime scene photographs are online if anyone cares to go looking for them. They are very brutal.

I have always had a fascination with sociopaths. I've studied Jack the Ripper, Lizzy Borden, Dahmer, Bundy, Gein, the Nightstalker, Zodiac, and all kinds of these monsters. Manson is by far the most compelling to me.

Did any of you ever see the Manson Family Reunion on Geraldo? There are people from that group who still proclaim his innocence. Unreal.

One guy said Charlie was fun. So I guess fun people can't kill. The same guy, TJ I think was his name, admitted he was there when Manson shot a guy right in the chest. But he doesn't think he could kill anyone. How does that work?

Another person said Manson didn't kill anyone so he shouldn't be in jail. I gather these people do not know what conspiracy is. Perhaps they think Mafia dons and other underworld figures who order killings are innocent if minions carry them out since they have free will to walk away like these kids did.

It's nuts.

My wife has read up on a bunch of them as well. I've always been interested in the whole process of them catching seriel killers and what goes into that but I've never been able to get myself to read books on the actual murders and such because all that stuff does is really piss me off and put in a foul mood.

I'm not a very compassionate or forgiving person when it comes to these types of folks and I've always hated that we lock them up for years on end, or 'study them', instead of taking a gun to their head and taking them out of this world the way they saw fit to do with their victims.

[arglebargle]

There's a biography of Squeeky Fromme out there that sheds some real interesting light on the Family. She came out of a screwed up family life, and ended up a Manson true believer. Pretty much comes across as the den mother of the crew, and the person who kept things together.

The book has a rather sad hypothesis that the high profile murders were designed to deflect attention from some Manson 'bad drug deal' related killings earlier.

I have read that early pressings of a Beach Boys album that credited a song to Manson, though that was later changed. Brian Wilson is said to have recorded him at his home studio, but no such recordings have every surfaced.

Just bad craziness.