PFT: Janoris Jenkins “kept smoking” at North Alabama

[cowboyjoe]

Note, I thought I would post this for those that wanted jenkins:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/12/janoris-jenkins-kept-smoking-at-north-alabama/
Posted by Evan Silva on April 12, 2012, 7:17 PM EDT
Getty ImagesCornerback prospect Janoris Jenkins was kicked off the Florida Gators’ football team last April after three marijuana-related arrests. Jenkins opted against the NFL supplemental draft, and played his senior season for Terry Bowden at North Alabama.

But Jenkins didn’t turn over a new leaf.

NFL Network’s Albert Breer reports that Jenkins has revealed in pre-draft team interviews that he didn’t stop smoking at the Division II school. While the truthfulness is somewhat honorable, league executives weren’t exactly pleased to hear it.

[RS12]

I'll guess his Wonderlich was on the lower end.

[SDogo]

I have been told You could see Jenkins fall to 4th round or lower in this draft. It's going to be interesting to see at what point his skills outweigh the risk with teams. I was told as recently as yesterday that teams are catching PacMan syndrome when trying to put him on their boards.

[Risen Star]

Wow. What's more stupid? Not giving up the habit or admitting it in your interviews?

[Dcowboy84]

smh.....


*facepalm* ....


:shoot5:

[SDogo]

Wow. What's more stupid? Not giving up the habit or admitting it in your interviews?

It should be interesting to see if he is asked to appear for 2nd medical next week. I would imagine if he is and either refuses or fails a test he can expect to be lucky to hear his name before the 5th.

[Bluestang]

Wow. What's more stupid? Not giving up the habit or admitting it in your interviews?


Either way it is pretty stupid but if anyone read Albert Breer's article on him NFL executives were also concerned with the 4 children with 3 different mothers aspect of his life as well.

It is absolutely sad that he has elite talent but because of his personal issues he will be drafted lower than his skillset.

[Idgit]

Wow. What's more stupid? Not giving up the habit or admitting it in your interviews?

I'd say admitting it, because it's a suspendible offense, but it's close. I never understood why people even considered this guy in the first round.

[Risen Star]

It should be interesting to see if he is asked to appear for 2nd medical next week. I would imagine if he is and either refuses or fails a test he can expect to be lucky to hear his name before the 5th.

If this is true, I would take him off my board. Not that smoking is such an unforgivable offense, but for a guy to be in his situation and still not give it up just shows a glaring character issue I wouldn't want near my football team.

[wittenacious]

I have been told You could see Jenkins fall to 4th round or lower in this draft. It's going to be interesting to see at what point his skills outweigh the risk with teams. I was told as recently as yesterday that teams are catching PacMan syndrome when trying to put him on their boards.
4th Round or lower? If Jenkins has been associated w/ Pacman Syndrome, he's toast. Hope his mj habit was worth the fall and loss of $$$. Never tried it ... no judgement being applied ... so I don't know how strong the attraction can be. Must be some good stuff he's hooked on.

[InmanRoshi]

Can't wait to watch him go man on man against Adarius Bowman in the Canandian Football League.

[Risen Star]

I'd say admitting it, because it's a suspendible offense, but it's close. I never understood why people even considered this guy in the first round.

I would have considered him in the late 1st/early 2nd round. But I figured the kid learned something.

I hate players like this. They have all the ability in the world and they waste it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

It should be interesting to see if he is asked to appear for 2nd medical next week. I would imagine if he is and either refuses or fails a test he can expect to be lucky to hear his name before the 5th.

I was wondering if he passed a drug test at the combine or if he failed and that is why he was so honest about saying he still smoked at the small school.

[Sasquatch]

If the four kids didn't turn you off the clown ...

[BrAinPaiNt]

The thing about taking him, or players like him, late and thus the idea of lessening the blow can be a dangerous idea.

Sure you are paying less for a player so financial you are not going to hurt too bad if he does something dumb and you cut him.

However the idea that they are so talented means that they could wind up being a starter. A starter that you start depending on and then bang he does something dumb that costs you a starting player and now you find yourself having to start a lesser player in his place or going out and overpaying for another starter.

OR you have someone like this with a small contract that becomes a starter, keeps his nose clean, becomes a playmaker, gets a new contract with a good deal of money and once he gets the money in hand...bang he goes back to his old ways.

So just because you get the player in the lower rounds thinking the rewards outweigh the risks...do they really outweigh the risks if you become dependent on a starter on your team due to his abilities and then he still screws up?

[Risen Star]

I was wondering if he passed a drug test at the combine or if he failed and that is why he was so honest about saying he still smoked at the small school.

That's a good point. He may have.

Sorry. The guy is an idiot. Even if I was the 3rd member of Cheech and Chong, I'd at least clean up for my chance to play in the NFL.

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I hate players like this. They have all the ability in the world and they waste it.

Hate players like this, how about just regular people like this. This is sad, truly sad. People have an opportunity to be setup for life, and just literally blow it. I'm sorry but I wouldn't touch him unless he is late rounder. A real late round pick. I just have this feeling he is going to be a wasted pick.

[gimmesix]

I have been told You could see Jenkins fall to 4th round or lower in this draft. It's going to be interesting to see at what point his skills outweigh the risk with teams. I was told as recently as yesterday that teams are catching PacMan syndrome when trying to put him on their boards.

I'm sure he's off our board.

[SilverStarCowboy]

I'm sure he's off our board.

Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMui-hEHxh0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMui-hEHxh0&feature=related)
That's why he is ranked 1ST ROUND PICK.

Not that he could co-exist with Dez what a nightmare, never risk that, but he is a freak of a talent. Probably the best pure CB/Return man in the entire 2012 NFL Draft.

[jswalker1981]

Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMui-hEHxh0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMui-hEHxh0&feature=related)
That's why he is ranked 1ST ROUND PICK.

Not that he could co-exist with Dez what a nightmare, never risk that, but he is a freak of a talent. Probably the best pure CB/Return man in the entire 2012 NFL Draft.

Here is an interview he did with PFW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUhOHpnYW8&feature=fvwrel

[Dyluke]

I would be shocked if he slipped past early round 2. Baggage and all, a second round pick for the talent alone is well worth the risk

[Hoofbite]

What an idiot.

If any team is going to take him before the 3rd round, I have a better suggestion.

Give me his contract, I'll poop in a box and mail it to training camp.



If he fell to the lat 3rd or 4th he'd be worth a moment of consideration so long as the team that took him never planned on him seeing the field and went about there business as though they hadn't drafted a CB at all.

This guy comes with a contingency plan because he may never even be on the field and if he makes it there he might be on the bench for any given 4 game span.

[Eskimo]

The thing about taking him, or players like him, late and thus the idea of lessening the blow can be a dangerous idea.

Sure you are paying less for a player so financial you are not going to hurt too bad if he does something dumb and you cut him.

However the idea that they are so talented means that they could wind up being a starter. A starter that you start depending on and then bang he does something dumb that costs you a starting player and now you find yourself having to start a lesser player in his place or going out and overpaying for another starter.

OR you have someone like this with a small contract that becomes a starter, keeps his nose clean, becomes a playmaker, gets a new contract with a good deal of money and once he gets the money in hand...bang he goes back to his old ways.

So just because you get the player in the lower rounds thinking the rewards outweigh the risks...do they really outweigh the risks if you become dependent on a starter on your team due to his abilities and then he still screws up?

You extract the cheap years out of him and then you let him him the street - that's the way you play this if you want to sign him.

However, you should never hand a guy like this a huge chunk of money upfront.

I'd be okay with him in the 5th round for a turnaround candidate but I don't want him in the first 4 rounds where there is a good chance of finding starting players.

[arglebargle]

That's a good point. He may have.

Sorry. The guy is an idiot. Even if I was the 3rd member of Cheech and Chong, I'd at least clean up for my chance to play in the NFL.

Yeah, no kidding. Keep clean for three years or so, and he could retire to a Caribbean beach, build his own smokehouse, and commence entertaining the local ladies of negotiable virtue. It does give you the idea that this guy doesn't have much in the way of personal control....or sense.

Even if I was inclined to take the risk, it would be pretty far down the draft rounds. Fifth or so, I think. However someone channeling the ghost of Al Davis, or perhaps the Bengals, might decide to jumpearlier. Maybe if he goes to some team with a super enforcer, like the Ravens ... maybe.

[This is Our Year]

I'd kick the tires, if he falls to the 3rd or 4th, what the hell

[rocyaice]

If the four kids didn't turn you off the clown ...

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a football player having children. If he doesn't take care of them that's one thing.

[Idgit]

I would be shocked if he slipped past early round 2. Baggage and all, a second round pick for the talent alone is well worth the risk

I don't know why people don't realize that emotional or mental limitations are every bit as real as physical ones. If he's flawed, he's flawed. Teams aren't going to risk it. Jenkins looks a lot more like a Pacman Jones or a Derek Ross than he does a reasonable risk in the first four rounds of the draft.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have been told You could see Jenkins fall to 4th round or lower in this draft. It's going to be interesting to see at what point his skills outweigh the risk with teams. I was told as recently as yesterday that teams are catching PacMan syndrome when trying to put him on their boards.

Pacman was an angry drunk and like thuglife. Thats a different animal from a pothead. A coke addict is different from either.

Its the difference between Stepnoski and the likes of Leon Lett and Jones.

I'll hang out with potheads and have known a whole lot that are fully able to function like everyone else. I have even heard that it can expand bronchial tubes and the like. I know a guy that used to smoke it before going on runs.

Angry drunks and people that like powders I prefer to stay away from.

[Idgit]

Pacman was an angry drunk and like thuglife. Thats a different animal from a pothead. A coke addict is different from either.

Its the difference between Stepnoski and the likes of Leon Lett and Jones.

I'll hang out with potheads and have known a whole lot that are fully able to function like everyone else. I have even heard that it can expand bronchial tubes and the like. I know a guy that used to smoke it before going on runs.

Angry drunks and people that like powders I prefer to stay away from.

Thing is, your average pot-head doesn't have Jenkins' motivation to stay clean for a few years. If you're looking at the opportunity to be the second CB off the board in the NFL draft, and you still can't resist the urge to blaze, there's something wrong with your judgement. And if you can't quit now, there's zero reason to think you're going to quit once you sign your deal. With a deep CB board, why would anyone take that risk?

I've got nothing against smokers. I think the fact that pot is illegal is absurd, frankly. But anybody in Jenkins position who lacks the control or the judgement to avoid the temptation just isn't worth the high draft pick.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thing is, your average pot-head doesn't have Jenkins' motivation to stay clean for a few years. If you're looking at the opportunity to be the second CB off the board in the NFL draft, and you still can't resist the urge to blaze, there's something wrong with your judgement. And if you can't quit now, there's zero reason to think you're going to quit once you sign your deal. With a deep CB board, why would anyone take that risk?

I've got nothing against smokers. I think the fact that pot is illegal is absurd, frankly. But anybody in Jenkins position who lacks the control or the judgement to avoid the temptation just isn't worth the high draft pick.

I get you 100% i think its asinine that alcohol is legal yet pot is not but nevertheless the league drug tests and has very severe penalties. Its like a guy with a history of severe injuries. If he is going to miss a lot of time that is something you should stay away from.

I just don't like people comparing any guy that has a few transgressions to Pacman. it demostrates a lack of understanding fo what you are daling with. If you look at Pacman's incidents they pretty much all are him getting drunk and violent. He beat up women and spit on the while drunk, fought his bodyguard/friend after getting drunk and of course was involved in the shooting death when he was getting hammered.

Jenkins has no indication that he is violent like that and that is an important distinction in my book.

[StarHead69]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a football player having children. If he doesn't take care of them that's one thing.

Taking care of four kids is pretty hard to do on a football scholarship... especially when one has to buy weed at today's prices.

...gotta go with BrainPaint's line of thinking on this one

[burmafrd]

Only a Stupid GM would draft this guy period; and only a moron before the 3rd rd.

[Joe Rod]

I'm sure he's off our board.

Rightfully so. I really wanted to believe him when he stated he had seen the light. I like the feel good story. But if weed is his priority, then there is no point in wasting a pick.

[InmanRoshi]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a football player having children. If he doesn't take care of them that's one thing.

Exactly how do you think a 22 year old kid with no full time job has been "taking care" of 4 kids by 3 mothers to this point, financially or non-financially (there's a hell of a lot more to taking care of kids than cutting a check once a month). Further, if "taking care of your kids" was really the biggest priority in your life, wouldn't you put down the weed when the outcome potentially effects your ability to provide for them?

[Duane]

Sounds like a pick for Cincinnati or Oakland.

[fanfromvirginia]

Exactly how do you think a 22 year old kid with no full time job has been "taking care" of 4 kids by 3 mothers to this point, financially or non-financially (there's a hell of a lot more to taking care of kids than cutting a check once a month). Further, if "taking care of your kids" was really the biggest priority in your life, wouldn't you put down the weed when the outcome potentially effects your ability to provide for them?
Well said.

I don't care about weed but the combo of the kids and the weed makes me think the kid, much like a lot of people in the criminal system, just doesn't have the ability that most of us take for granted to think outside of the moment.

[Gaede]

Taking care of four kids is pretty hard to do on a football scholarship... especially when one has to buy weed at today's prices.


:laugh2:

[Smith22]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a football player having children. If he doesn't take care of them that's one thing.

You couldn't be more wrong. At that age, having 4 kids with that many women is a huge issue.

[TheCount]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a football player having children. If he doesn't take care of them that's one thing.

Even if he doesn't take care of them. It makes him a terrible father but has little to do with football. Petrino was cheating on his wife and kids with a 25 year old, doesn't mean he can't coach.

[InmanRoshi]

Even if he doesn't take care of them. It makes him a terrible father but has little to do with football. Petrino was cheating on his wife and kids with a 25 year old, doesn't mean he can't coach.

The kids just exemplify a continuing pattern of horrible decision making. The kind of decision making that leads to 3 AM phone call that he's been in a nightclub altercation, or pulled over in a car with weed, etc. Or that letter from Goodell's office saying he's being suspended for 4 weeks for substance abuse violations.

It's not as simple as "if he flames out, you cut him and it's not a big deal". When you draft him you're letting his presence on the team and the resources you've sunk him him effect your longterm decision making on the 53 man roster ... like whether to exend Mike Jenkins or drafting other CBs. It's hard to make sound decisions when you're dealing with such a undependable variable, especially when you've let yourself get seduced by best-case-scenerios.

[cowboysooner]

He is just another upstanding Urban Meyer product. Google the Matt Hayes article from last week. It is some crazy stuff. Sometimes guys like this become Carlos Dunlap or Aaron Hernandez and sometimes they completely flame out. I would lean to the flame out on this one but at some point there is value in the risk. I'm guessing 2nd round to the Bengals or Rams.

[Staxxxx]

I would be shocked if he slipped past early round 2. Baggage and all, a second round pick for the talent alone is well worth the risk I would agree with this. At some point 1 of 32 teams is going to take a flyer on that talent.

[Sasquatch]

Taking care of four kids is pretty hard to do on a football scholarship... especially when one has to buy weed at today's prices.

...gotta go with BrainPaint's line of thinking on this one

Janoris shakes his head earnestly and says "word."

[NeonDeion21]

Sounds like an ideal Patriots pick in the 2nd to 3rd round. Guy has off the field problems but if he is a smart football player and has talent, Bill will draft you and make you a stud.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Janoris shakes his head earnestly and says "word."

Maybe it is just me but reading those two posts and in my head I am hearing that Hard out here for a pimp song from the Hustle and Flow movie. :laugh2:

[Sasquatch]

The kids just exemplify a continuing pattern of horrible decision making. The kind of decision making that leads to 3 AM phone call that he's been in a nightclub altercation, or pulled over in a car with weed, etc. Or that letter from Goodell's office saying he's being suspended for 4 weeks for substance abuse violations.

It's not as simple as "if he flames out, you cut him and it's not a big deal". When you draft him you're letting his presence on the team and the resources you've sunk him him effect your longterm decision making on the 53 man roster ... like whether to exend Mike Jenkins or drafting other CBs. It's hard to make sound decisions when you're dealing with such a undependable variable, especially when you've let yourself get seduced by best-case-scenerios.

Someone who lacks impulse control and is a risky financial investment. Pass (not the bowl but pass on the player).

[ajk23az]

Wow. What's more stupid? Not giving up the habit or admitting it in your interviews?

Not giving up the habit by far!

Never a good idea to start out with a lie to your future employers right off the bat. He actually made a good decision in admitting it to them. Id still take him if he fell to us in the 2nd though.

[Idgit]

I get you 100% i think its asinine that alcohol is legal yet pot is not but nevertheless the league drug tests and has very severe penalties. Its like a guy with a history of severe injuries. If he is going to miss a lot of time that is something you should stay away from.

I just don't like people comparing any guy that has a few transgressions to Pacman. it demostrates a lack of understanding fo what you are daling with. If you look at Pacman's incidents they pretty much all are him getting drunk and violent. He beat up women and spit on the while drunk, fought his bodyguard/friend after getting drunk and of course was involved in the shooting death when he was getting hammered.

Jenkins has no indication that he is violent like that and that is an important distinction in my book.

Yeah, I should be clear with the comparisons. I think he might end up out of the league because of his judgement, but I don't think his smoking problem means he's necessarily the special kind of dirtbag Pacman Jones was. (Though, honestly, I don't recall what transgressions Pacman had on his record coming out of college. He probably wasn't such an obvious scumbag at that point, either).

From the drafting team's perspective, though, the risks are similar. If he's suspended or out of the league because of issues with pot--as far as putting together a football team goes--it's not much consolation that he wasn't also a scumbag.

[BraveHeartFan]

Wow. What's more stupid? Not giving up the habit or admitting it in your interviews?

I was trying to decide that myself. Doesn't make a lot of sense on either side of it to me.


If this is true, I would take him off my board. Not that smoking is such an unforgivable offense, but for a guy to be in his situation and still not give it up just shows a glaring character issue I wouldn't want near my football team.

Exactly. I couldn't agree more.


I would be shocked if he slipped past early round 2. Baggage and all, a second round pick for the talent alone is well worth the risk

Unless of course the Cowboys do it, and he winds up suspended multiple times and does nothing for a few years and is out of the league and then you'll be one of the people here blasting Jerry Jones for being a stupid GM and taking a gamble on a person with this baggage.

And, of course, you likely won't recall that you thought it was well worth the risk at the time.



Exactly how do you think a 22 year old kid with no full time job has been "taking care" of 4 kids by 3 mothers to this point, financially or non-financially (there's a hell of a lot more to taking care of kids than cutting a check once a month). Further, if "taking care of your kids" was really the biggest priority in your life, wouldn't you put down the weed when the outcome potentially effects your ability to provide for them?

Excellent post.

[jrumann59]

Forgot one thing Jerry may have a flash back to Moss, Moss had similar issues coming out of Marshall.

[Idgit]

Forgot one thing Jerry may have a flash back to Moss, Moss had similar issues coming out of Marshall.

And in the league, too, with that meter-maid and his slow-rolling Lexus. What an idiot. :)

[visionary]

The kids just exemplify a continuing pattern of horrible decision making. The kind of decision making that leads to 3 AM phone call that he's been in a nightclub altercation, or pulled over in a car with weed, etc. Or that letter from Goodell's office saying he's being suspended for 4 weeks for substance abuse violations.

It's not as simple as "if he flames out, you cut him and it's not a big deal". When you draft him you're letting his presence on the team and the resources you've sunk him him effect your longterm decision making on the 53 man roster ... like whether to exend Mike Jenkins or drafting other CBs. It's hard to make sound decisions when you're dealing with such a undependable variable, especially when you've let yourself get seduced by best-case-scenerios.

i agree completely with your post and have to believe that he is off our board

now, wait for Pats or Philly to draft him in 4th round and it to be hailed as a real "value pick"

[TheCount]

The kids just exemplify a continuing pattern of horrible decision making. The kind of decision making that leads to 3 AM phone call that he's been in a nightclub altercation, or pulled over in a car with weed, etc. Or that letter from Goodell's office saying he's being suspended for 4 weeks for substance abuse violations.

It's not as simple as "if he flames out, you cut him and it's not a big deal". When you draft him you're letting his presence on the team and the resources you've sunk him him effect your longterm decision making on the 53 man roster ... like whether to exend Mike Jenkins or drafting other CBs. It's hard to make sound decisions when you're dealing with such a undependable variable, especially when you've let yourself get seduced by best-case-scenerios.

I'm not defending him, I've never wanted to draft him even when people were pimping him as the guy we should take at #14.

I'm saying he's got plenty of football related infractions that should have already crossed him off the list, so saying "He's got 4 kids?! Pass!", like that's the first time someone has considered the fact that he is irresponsible and unreliable seem a little out of touch.

I'm sure there are quite a few NFL players that have multiple kids with multiple partners that still reliable professionals, even if they are deadbeats.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm not defending him, I've never wanted to draft him even when people were pimping him as the guy we should take at #14.

I'm saying he's got plenty of football related infractions that should have already crossed him off the list, so saying "He's got 4 kids?! Pass!", like that's the first time someone has considered the fact that he is irresponsible and unreliable seem a little out of touch.

I'm sure there are quite a few NFL players that have multiple kids with multiple partners that still reliable professionals, even if they are deadbeats.

I think it is just another thing added to the other things. But if someone just does not like him for that one thing and he was a good player on and off the field otherwise...then it would be kind of silly to not want to take him for that one thing.

But this is just another thing added to the other things that just scream walk away IMO.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The kids just exemplify a continuing pattern of horrible decision making. The kind of decision making that leads to 3 AM phone call that he's been in a nightclub altercation, or pulled over in a car with weed, etc. Or that letter from Goodell's office saying he's being suspended for 4 weeks for substance abuse violations.

It's not as simple as "if he flames out, you cut him and it's not a big deal". When you draft him you're letting his presence on the team and the resources you've sunk him him effect your longterm decision making on the 53 man roster ... like whether to exend Mike Jenkins or drafting other CBs. It's hard to make sound decisions when you're dealing with such a undependable variable, especially when you've let yourself get seduced by best-case-scenerios.

Your experience with somebody has created this stigma that you have had with you for years now. The only indication is that he likes to smoke weed and carouse with women. This may surprise you but typically if he is going out to parties and clubs, then he is going to be around a lot of alcohol because that is what people that drink do. Ahve you one indication that he goes to parties, clubs or is violent?

That he was out and about indicates that he is gregarious in his illicit activities yet there is no indication that he is tossing back sauce. Some guys may do that and maybe he does to but you seem to paint everyone with that same brush as your nephew or brother or whatever its was.

This is just a message board but i really hope that you do not take every person that gets arrested for weed as some sort of social pariah that is going to fall into a pattern of alcohol, drugs and violence and poison anyone that he comes into contact with. That just seems cliche.

He grew up in central florida and when you listen to him talk, he is not just some BUV thuglife. When you heard Pacman, you could hear that in his voice. Neither of us have ever met him. Just seems like a naive judgement to make.

Now do not get me wrong. I look at him as someone to avoid but on the basis that he is a serious risk of pissing dirty and being suspended for 4/8/16 years and things like that especially with Goodell Dracos at the helm but not on the basis of character assassination.

[jobberone]

His behavior suggests not just a psychological addiction but a need to self medicate. I would worry a little about a phobia, social or personality disorder.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Taking care of four kids is pretty hard to do on a football scholarship... especially when one has to buy weed at today's prices.

...gotta go with BrainPaint's line of thinking on this one

The price in Texas has only gone up 20% indigenously in the last 15 years and in imports has actually gone down. I have considered that that cheaper industry is an interesting commentary on how firms price things. The southern cartels have been at war for the last decade and prices have gone down. It would stand to reason that open conflict and changing control of product through conflict would cause prices to rise. The opposite is the case.

That holds true for most 'products' the stuff that comes from latin america is cheaper and stuff made here is more expensive. Average income in Brazil, Columbia, Chile and Peru has gone up. If i was an economist I would write about it but it makes for great conversation at parties.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His behavior suggests not just a psychological addiction but a need to self medicate. I would worry a little about a phobia, social or personality disorder.

Yeah Ricky Williams is a good example of that dynamic.

[InmanRoshi]

Your experience with somebody has created this stigma that you have had with you for years now. The only indication is that he likes to smoke weed and carouse with women. This may surprise you but typically if he is going out to parties and clubs, then he is going to be around a lot of alcohol because that is what people that drink do. Ahve you one indication that he goes to parties, clubs or is violent?

That he was out and about indicates that he is gregarious in his illicit activities yet there is no indication that he is tossing back sauce. Some guys may do that and maybe he does to but you seem to paint everyone with that same brush as your nephew or brother or whatever its was.

This is just a message board but i really hope that you do not take every person that gets arrested for weed as some sort of social pariah that is going to fall into a pattern of alcohol, drugs and violence and poison anyone that he comes into contact with. That just seems cliche.

He grew up in central florida and when you listen to him talk, he is not just some BUV thuglife. When you heard Pacman, you could hear that in his voice. Neither of us have ever met him. Just seems like a naive judgement to make.

Now do not get me wrong. I look at him as someone to avoid but on the basis that he is a serious risk of pissing dirty and being suspended for 4/8/16 years and things like that especially with Goodell Dracos at the helm but not on the basis of character assassination.


And you always turn these subjects into an opportunity to morph into some counter-culture hero you imagine yourself to be. Your lectures are not enlightening or orginal. You don't sound like Abbey Hoffman or Alan Ginsberg. They're the same stale, tired "Dude, I'd rather hang out with a weedhead than a drunk" juvenile conversations you can hear any 19 year olds having at any frat party or Phish concert.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one who's had first hand experiences with drugs or drug culture, nor are you some special harbinger of mind-altering enlightenment. Maybe, just maybe, some of us are old enough to have also experienced the other side of it ... the long term ramifications unwanted kids who grow up without fathers (fathering unwanted/unsupported children goes beyond "carousing with women"), the burden those children put on society when they grow up directionless, and what happens to people who never grow out of "harmless" self destructive behavior.

Janoris Jenkins has been gifted with a golden ticket to break up a likely multi-generational cycle of poverty in his family, but instead of taking advantage of it he seems hell-bent on continuing the cycle and also siring in a truckload of kids to continue their own cycle.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And you always turn these subjects into an opportunity to morph into some counter-culture hero you imagine yourself to be. Your lectures are not enlightening or orginal. You don't sound like Abbey Hoffman or Alan Ginsberg. They're the same stale, tired "Dude, I'd rather hang out with a weedhead than a drunk" juvenile conversations you can hear any 19 year olds having at any frat party or Phish concert.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one who's had first hand experiences with drugs or drug culture, nor are you some special harbinger of mind-altering enlightenment. Maybe, just maybe, some of us are old enough to have also experienced the other side of it ... the long term ramifications unwanted kids who grow up without fathers (fathering unwanted/unsupported children goes beyond "carousing with women"), the burden those children put on society when they grow up directionless, and what happens to people who never grow out of "harmless" self destructive behavior.

Janoris Jenkins has been gifted with a golden ticket to break up a likely multi-generational cycle of poverty in his family, but instead he not only seems hell-bent on continuing the cycle but bringing in a truck load of kids in to continue their own.

Spare me the sanctimony. I did like how you never once addressed anything that I said but instead tried to tie me to 60s radicals. Its dated, unfounded and generally lame. Now you purport to know Jenkins family background and now hes a deadbeat. Whatevs. Have fun in your box.

[danielofthesaints]

Note, I thought I would post this for those that wanted jenkins:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/12/janoris-jenkins-kept-smoking-at-north-alabama/
Posted by Evan Silva on April 12, 2012, 7:17 PM EDT
Getty ImagesCornerback prospect Janoris Jenkins was kicked off the Florida Gators’ football team last April after three marijuana-related arrests. Jenkins opted against the NFL supplemental draft, and played his senior season for Terry Bowden at North Alabama.

But Jenkins didn’t turn over a new leaf.

NFL Network’s Albert Breer reports that Jenkins has revealed in pre-draft team interviews that he didn’t stop smoking at the Division II school. While the truthfulness is somewhat honorable, league executives weren’t exactly pleased to hear it.

I see what you did there Evan Silva. "But Jenkins didn’t turn over a new leaf". :D

[CaliCowboyFan91]

Janoris Jenkins is a pretty risky topic because of the trouble with smoking and getting kicked out of school. But you can't deny that he has talent and can be a successful cornerback in the nfl. Many scouts/insiders are saying that he will not be drafted in the first round. He is physical and could fit into rob ryans scheme. Some say he could be one of the best man cover corners in the draft.
If he is their in the second round, would you take him if he drops to us?
Or would you even trade up in the second to take him?
Consider Mike Jenkins status with the team, he may not be here next season and he could be a good replacement
What are your guy's thoughts?

[TheCount]

I want no part of him. None.

[wittenacious]

Janoris Jenkins is a pretty risky topic because of the trouble with smoking and getting kicked out of school. But you can't deny that he has talent and can be a successful cornerback in the nfl. Many scouts/insiders are saying that he will not be drafted in the first round. He is physical and could fit into rob ryans scheme. Some say he could be one of the best man cover corners in the draft.
If he is their in the second round, would you take him if he drops to us?
Or would you even trade up in the second to take him?
Consider Mike Jenkins status with the team, he may not be here next season and he could be a good replacement
What are your guy's thoughts?
Thoughts? That Janoris Jenkins is NOT the guy to look to in order to offset the risk of Mike Jenkins possibly not being with the Dallas Cowboys next season. Wrong risk vs. risk offset.

But, YES, do draft another quality CB to add to the team as a safeguard against what may or may not happen with MJ. Just my opinion.

[Wulfman]

He's off my board altogether. The latest reports indicate that he continued smoking after transferring schools, which shows a complete lack of maturity and incredibly poor decision-making.

The only way I'd take a flyer on him at all would be as an undrafted free agent, and I don't think that will happen, as some teal will take the risk. And even then, he'd know that he had exactly one chance.

[InmanRoshi]

Spare me the sanctimony. I did like how you never once addressed anything that I said but instead tried to tie me to 60s radicals. Its dated, unfounded and generally lame. Now you purport to know Jenkins family background and now hes a deadbeat. Whatevs. Have fun in your box.

a) Your points were stupid and weren't worth addressing.

b) If he's not currently a deadbeat dad, North Alabama and University of Florida are going to have a lot of questions to answer for some NCAA investigators.

[dez_for_prez]

But Jenkins didn’t turn over a new leaf.

He just rolled another.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

a) Your points were stupid and weren't worth addressing.

b) If he's not currently a deadbeat dad, North Alabama and University of Florida are going to have a lot of questions to answer for some NCAA investigators.

Nice cop out. I guess comparing me to people that started riots and support NAMBLA 50 years ago is the way to go. You really do like the unfounded character assassination gig.

And I do not presume to know about the relationship between him and his children, or the background of his family. You apparently are comfortable doing that. You have a little Jeff Ireland in you. Oh well. Stay classy, San Diego.

[jobberone]

Yeah Ricky Williams is a good example of that dynamic.

Perfect example Fuzzy.

[Future]

I would be shocked if he slipped past early round 2. Baggage and all, a second round pick for the talent alone is well worth the risk
Agreed. I don't think this coming out would make teams perceive him any different than they already did.

[k19]

I wouldn't be suprised to see him go to Cinci in rd 2. They have NO problem signing guys with character issues

[burmafrd]

only those who have no real pride in the Boys would want someone like that on the team. I hated Pacman being here.

[Avery]

Not saying it's the case, but how much smoke and mirrors seems to develop right before the draft? How do we know a GM with loose lips purposely states something like this in hopes that it catches fire and they take him earlier? I would still take him in the 4th based off of talent alone.

To be quite honest, I'm more concerned with the kids then about the pot. Fathering four kids at 23? Being told by your girlfriend that she's pregnant should be a life-altering affair where you reset your priorities and think about your actions. He's not only failed to do this, but failed on three more occassions.

Any vice in college is only going to be magnified once huge paychecks become the norm.

[cowboy_ron]

He's about to smoke his way comletely out of this draft...it's already cost him millions

[casmith07]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a football player having children. If he doesn't take care of them that's one thing.

Two-part comment.

1. Yes, there is nothing wrong with a player having children.

2. There is, however, everything wrong with those 4 children coming before this player hits the age of 24 and them coming from 3 different mothers, and their ages all being similar. It shows a lack of self-discipline, judgment, and key decision making skills that could possibly manifest themselves in other situations. In fact, they already have manifested themselves in other situations, in that this guy can't seem to stop smoking marijuana WHILE having infant/toddler children.

Do. Not. Want.

[casmith07]

He just rolled another.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmwxzhqylm1qg947m.png

[bpfred]

Note, I thought I would post this for those that wanted jenkins:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/12/janoris-jenkins-kept-smoking-at-north-alabama/
Posted by Evan Silva on April 12, 2012, 7:17 PM EDT
Getty ImagesCornerback prospect Janoris Jenkins was kicked off the Florida Gators’ football team last April after three marijuana-related arrests. Jenkins opted against the NFL supplemental draft, and played his senior season for Terry Bowden at North Alabama.

But Jenkins didn’t turn over a new leaf.

NFL Network’s Albert Breer reports that Jenkins has revealed in pre-draft team interviews that he didn’t stop smoking at the Division II school. While the truthfulness is somewhat honorable, league executives weren’t exactly pleased to hear it.

I would give this kid a chance. Listening to him talk, I actually believe him, and don't consider him anything like Pacman Jones. He doesn't come across like a thug, or a criminal. I'm guessing there are 20 players on every NFL team that smoke. I wouldn't spend a first round pick on him, but if you can get him in the second or third round he may really be some help.

To me he just comes across as young, and making foolish mistakes that young people make. I seriously doubt he has had good guidance in his life.

[burmafrd]

I would give this kid a chance. Listening to him talk, I actually believe him, and don't consider him anything like Pacman Jones. He doesn't come across like a thug, or a criminal. I'm guessing there are 20 players on every NFL team that smoke. I wouldn't spend a first round pick on him, but if you can get him in the second or third round he may really be some help.

To me he just comes across as young, and making foolish mistakes that young people make. I seriously doubt he has had good guidance in his life.

give him a chance somewhere else. I don't want a ticking time bomb on the Boys.