I think Dallas will trade down in the 2nd round

[TheSport78]

Orson Charles is a serious target of theirs, but the early 2nd round seems to be too soon for him. He would be the Bennett replacement, who would eventually take over for Witten.

Unless someone high on their board starts to fall to them (Konz, Zeitler, etc), this is the round we'll trade down and try to pick up an extra 3rd round pick or so.

Orson Charles would be the late 2nd rounder, and a CB like Casey Hayward (although I like Jamell Fleming) and a WR like Ryan Broyles could be prime 3rd round targets.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Disagree completely. Moving up in rd 2, maybe even as high as late 1..

[TheSport78]

Disagree completely. Moving up in rd 2, maybe even as high as late 1..

Moving up into the 1st would cost our 2nd, 3rd and possibly a 5th. Not worth it for Konz IMO. I'd rather stay put and get Blake in the 4th.

[CATCH17]

Moving up into the 1st would cost our 2nd, 3rd and possibly a 5th. Not worth it for Konz IMO. I'd rather stay put and get Blake in the 4th.

If we move back into the 1st round I hope it's for Fleener, Glenn, or a falling OLB like Branch, and not Konz.


Im just not a huge Konz fan with his medical condition and his lack of upper body strength.


Imo Zeitler > Konz

[garyv]

because there are usually several 1st Round Prospects that slide into the 2nd Round and Dallas is sitting in a good spot to land one of the sliders which in retrospect gives them two #1 picks this year (why run away from this by trading down; makes no sense)

[GloryDaysRBack]

Moving up into the 1st would cost our 2nd, 3rd and possibly a 5th. Not worth it for Konz IMO. I'd rather stay put and get Blake in the 4th.

Definitely not giving up all that for Konz

Somebody is going to fall to the late 20s that we have a mid 1st rd grade on..

Guessing a DE/S/ or OLB

We are taking Deacastro at 14 and moving him to center

[DBOY3141]

Definitely not giving up all that for Konz

Somebody is going to fall to the late 20s that we have a mid 1st rd grade on..

Guessing a DE/S/ or OLB

We are taking Deacastro at 14 and moving him to center


Can he play center. I thought I heard at Luck's pro-day, that he was playing center for Luck's snaps, but did not look good.

[CATCH17]

Definitely not giving up all that for Konz

Somebody is going to fall to the late 20s that we have a mid 1st rd grade on..

Guessing a DE/S/ or OLB

We are taking Deacastro at 14 and moving him to center

I think Decastro is our 4th option.


Cox, Barron, Trade Down, Decastro if we're stuck.

[TheSport78]

If we move back into the 1st round I hope it's for Fleener, Glenn, or a falling OLB like Branch, and not Konz.


Im just not a huge Konz fan with his medical condition and his lack of upper body strength.


Imo Zeitler > Konz

I can't see Fleener coming here. We need an all-around tight end who can block and that's Orson Charles. The guy may have been a 1st round pick if he didn't get the DUI.

This is such a weak OLB/pass rushing class. I'd rather mainly focus on improving the secondary this year. No OLB is going to be better than Spencer this year IMO.

[CATCH17]

I can't see Fleener coming here. We need an all-around tight end who can block and that's Orson Charles. The guy may have been a 1st round pick if he didn't get the DUI.

This is such a weak OLB/pass rushing class. I'd rather mainly focus on improving the secondary this year. No OLB is going to be better than Spencer this year IMO.

Orson looks like a dime a dozen type of guy to me. Not impressed.


Fleener is a boss. Maybe not the best blocker in the world but at his size im sure he can develop it a little better.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I think Decastro is our 4th option.


Cox, Barron, Trade Down, Decastro if we're stuck.

Disagree. Cox over Drcastro, sure...but he will be gone. Decastro at C is option 2..Barron 3..then move down

[CATCH17]

Disagree. Cox over Drcastro, sure...but he will be gone. Decastro at C is option 2..Barron 3..then move down


Hmmmm... Any reason you believe this?

[TheSport78]

Orson looks like a dime a dozen type of guy to me. Not impressed.


Fleener is a boss. Maybe not the best blocker in the world but at his size im sure he can develop it a little better.

He actually reminds me of what Bennett was SUPPOSED to be back in 2008. If he improves his route running, he could become an awesome player. JMO

[GloryDaysRBack]

Hmmmm... Any reason you believe this?

Just a gut feeling...I forgot to put Brockers in there.. Not sure if he's before or after trade down..if I had to guess id say before..

I don't think Garrett likes trading down..he was the reason we didn't move down last year..I think he will be the reason why we don't move down again this year

[GloryDaysRBack]

I wouldn't be shocked if Brockers was an option before Barron.. Not saying I think he is..I'm saying it's close and I'm not sure..

[CATCH17]

Just a gut feeling...I forgot to put Brockers in there.. Not sure if he's before or after trade down..if I had to guess id say before..

I don't think Garrett likes trading down..he was the reason we didn't move down last year..I think he will be the reason why we don't move down again this year

See I think trade down is the 3rd option because I feel like Dallas desperately wants to go defense 1st.

I think they would rather take Cox, Barron, then trade down for Brockers / Hightower, than take Decastro.


I just think there is too much value at interior OL to take Decastro 1st.


If you want a good defender you'll have to take them early.

[GloryDaysRBack]

See I think trade down is the 3rd option because I feel like Dallas desperately wants to go defense 1st.

I think they would rather take Cox, Barron, then trade down for Brockers / Hightower, than take Decastro.


I just think there is too much value at interior OL to take Decastro 1st.


If you want a good defender you'll have to take them early.

I would agree completely and have actually been in that camp all offseason.. However, I now think the plan is to play DD at center.. The center position isn't nearly as deep as the guard class..our biggest need is C.. That's why I think DeCastro is our top realistic option.. Plus, C is viewed as a more premium position than G...

Just a hunch...nothing more

[TheSport78]

I would agree completely and have actually been in that camp all offseason.. However, I now think the plan is to play DD at center.. The center position isn't nearly as deep as the guard class..our biggest need is C.. That's why I think DeCastro is our top realistic option.. Plus, C is viewed as a more premium position than G...

Just a hunch...nothing more

I really think Barron will be the selection. He would bring the most impact right away.

Brockers- a project who doesn't offer much of a pass rush

Cox- never played the 5 tech and is better suited as a DT IMO

DeCastro- Jerry and co. already gave it away that #14 will be a defensive selection

Barron- a versatile, playmaking safety who will be our signal caller on D. We need more mentally tough players and he fits the bill

[CATCH17]

I would agree completely and have actually been in that camp all offseason.. However, I now think the plan is to play DD at center.. The center position isn't nearly as deep as the guard class..our biggest need is C.. That's why I think DeCastro is our top realistic option.. Plus, C is viewed as a more premium position than G...

Just a hunch...nothing more



Yeah but this guy has never played a lick of center.

Of course he looks like he could easily do it if he can snap the ball.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I really think Barron will be the selection. He would bring the most impact right away.

Brockers- a project who doesn't offer much of a pass rush

Cox- never played the 5 tech and is better suited as a DT IMO

DeCastro- Jerry and co. already gave it away that #14 will be a defensive selection

Barron- a versatile, playmaking safety who will be our signal caller on D. We need more mentally tough players and he fits the bill

Not buying anything anybody is saying this time of year, especially not Jerry..

DeCastro will be the pick, unless he's gone

[InmanRoshi]

Just based on their visit list, they like the OL in the interior OL in the early 2nd round (Konz, Allen, Glenn, Silatolu). If none are availble they could move back to the last 2nd/early 3rd and start looking for more secondary help (Fleming, Hayward, Brooks)

[TheSport78]

Not buying anything anybody is saying this time of year, especially not Jerry..

DeCastro will be the pick, unless he's gone

Agree to disagree, bro. I just see Barron as a Cowboy in 7 days.

[TheSport78]

Just based on their visit list, they like the OL in the interior OL in the early 2nd round (Konz, Allen, Glenn, Silatolu). If none are availble they could move back to the last 2nd/early 3rd and start looking for more secondary help (Fleming, Hayward, Brooks)

Yup. That's pretty telling and I think Stephen actually hinted about the value of OL in the 2nd round this year. It looks like they're targeting OL or a TE like Orson Charles in the 2nd round. I really, really hope we get Jamell Fleming, Orson Charles and an OL like Philip Blake, who can play center and guard.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Just based on their visit list, they like the OL in the interior OL in the early 2nd round (Konz, Allen, Glenn, Silatolu). If none are availble they could move back to the last 2nd/early 3rd and start looking for more secondary help (Fleming, Hayward, Brooks)

And save for Konz none of those guys play C..

[dstew60105]

And save for Konz none of those guys play C..

Trade our 2nd (#45) and next years #1 to the Bengals for pick #21 if Decastro falls. Take Barron @ #14. Would everyone be ok with that move? End the 1st with Barron and DeCastro.

[DBOY3141]

Trade our 2nd (#45) and next years #1 to the Bengals for pick #21 if Decastro falls. Take Barron @ #14. Would everyone be ok with that move? End the 1st with Barron and DeCastro.

Nope. Never trade a future #1 pick. Never know what it could be.

I would rather have Barron and Brooks or Zietler this year and next years #1, than Barron and DeCastro.

Next year is about our new OLB. I think Spencer is here all year and we draft his replacement next year. Better draft next year for OLB.

[dstew60105]

Nope. Never trade a future #1 pick. Never know what it could be.

I would rather have Barron and Brooks or Zietler this year and next years #1, than Barron and DeCastro.

Next year is about our new OLB. I think Spencer is here all year and we draft his replacement next year. Better draft next year for OLB.

Usually I would agree with you. but DeCastro is as safe a pick as you can get. The only problem with trading a future #1 is if you bust on the pick you obtained. DeCastro is a plug and play for the next 10 years type of player.

[DBOY3141]

Usually I would agree with you. but DeCastro is as safe a pick as you can get. The only problem with trading a future #1 is if you bust on the pick you obtained. DeCastro is a plug and play for the next 10 years type of player.

We've heard too many times "safest player in the draft" "plug and play for next 10 years".

I never assume anything until they play on Sunday. I think DeCastro will be a good player, but still don't think he will be head and shoulders about Zietler/Brooks or even the small school kid Sioula.

I'd keep next year's #1.

[Dash28]

If we go this route, even more reason to draft DeCastro.

I would pass on te in early rounds, outside of fleener falling

[theogt]

Disagree completely. Moving up in rd 2, maybe even as high as late 1..That's my thinking. There's a big chunk of players that should be late first to early 2nd, and then there's a big drop off. The key is that it really depends on how everything falls, as there could be some players that shake loose -- the draft never really goes as planned. But I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see a trade up in the second to grab one of those guys we're targeting. I'm thinking a guard/center or a 3-4 OLB.

[CashMan]

Usually I would agree with you. but DeCastro is as safe a pick as you can get. The only problem with trading a future #1 is if you bust on the pick you obtained. DeCastro is a plug and play for the next 10 years type of player.



Why does everyone think this? If he is this good, why is he not playing LT? He has the size.

[InmanRoshi]

Why does everyone think this? If he is this good, why is he not playing LT? He has the size.

The hype train is out of control. It's just flippantly thrown out there that he's going to the Pro Bowl in his first year. Nevermind that Munchak didn't go to a Pro Bowl until his 3rd year. Or that Larry Allen didn't go to a Pro Bowl until his 2nd. Or that Steve Hutchinson didn't go to the Pro Bowl until his 3rd. That's how much better DeCastro is than all those guys.

[CashMan]

I just find it odd, that it has gone from Decastro going at 14, to top 10 pick(because Guards are usually taken in the top 10), back to 14, to past 14, back to 14, now he can play Center.

Rookie contracts are cheaper now, which means IMO, people will have no problem drafting QBs earlier than they should since they do not have to pay them as much.

[BlindFaith]

Rookie contracts are cheaper now, which means IMO, people will have no problem drafting QBs earlier than they should since they do not have to pay them as much.

This ^^^^

And I think maybe a run on WR. Premier position players mayb start to get drafted higher now than expected simply because the value is there. You don't have to spend an arm and a leg. And there is far less pressure to have them start right away.

Since offenses are trending more towards passing, why not stock up on QBs and WRs? Both premium positions.

Same for defense. Pass rushers and CBs. Need to try and stop the pass.