Patriots Targeting Mark Barron

[dgr81]

CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft.

The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise.

Apr 19 - 5:29 PM
Source: CSN New England

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7497/mark-barron

[dallasfaniac]

Both 1sts and its done.

[BraveHeartFan]

I certainly wouldn't mind giving them the 14th pick and letting them have him if we'd get an extra first out of it this year. That would be just fine with me.

[Phrozen Phil]

Both 1sts and its done.

I'm aboard for that, but I doubt NE does it. It would be so out of character for them.

[johnnyd]

I'm aboard for that, but I doubt NE does it. It would be so out of character for them.

agreed , there more likley to use 1 of their ones and flip the other for a next season 1 + something else.

[jimnabby]

Looking at the old draft value chart, 27 and 31 balances almost perfectly with 14 and 81 (our 3rd-rounder). Of course, the old chart isn't right, and draft pick values have probably changed further under the new CBA. If we could do it for our 4th, I'd be more inclined to say yes. Then we'd have the ammo with our 3rd to move up from 27 to the 20 range if someone was still there.

[dallasfaniac]

I doubt New England would trade up that far either but that's the only way I would do the trade down and would do it in a heartbeat.

[InmanRoshi]

Both 1sts and its done.

That would suck for Dallas. The late 1st round is a dead spot in this draft. Guys drafted in the late 1st wont be that much different than guys drafted in the 3rd round. We're looking at 1996 and 2009 backups and special teamers draft all over again.

[theogt]

That would suck for Dallas. The late 1st round is a dead spot in this draft. Guys drafted in the late 1st wont be that much different than guys drafted in the 3rd round. We're looking at 1996 and 2009 backups and special teamers draft all over again.The last 1st round is one of the sweet spots in this draft. From about 25-40, the players are ranked about the same, but after that there's a big drop off in talent.

[casmith07]

There are going to be a lot of reaches in the late part of the 1st.

If we're going to need to trade up to get Barron, we could possibly flip 14 and 81 for 9 or 10. Might have to swap 7th rounders or something too, or toss in a 6th in exchange for a 7th.

New England trading up is highly uncharacteristic, though. They tend to like to trade their late 1st rounders for multiple 2nd/3rd round picks, where they've done pretty well lately.

I still could see them making a trade up play for Blackmon, too. Brady desperately needs a legitimate outside WR.

[Sasquatch]

That would suck for Dallas. The late 1st round is a dead spot in this draft. Guys drafted in the late 1st wont be that much different than guys drafted in the 3rd round. We're looking at 1996 and 2009 backups and special teamers draft all over again.

If Barron is there at 14, I would be hesitant to trade back with the Pats as well, unless it's for this year's and next year's first. QB rich class coming out next year and puts us in a good position to find Romo's successor.

[jswalker1981]

There are going to be a lot of reaches in the late part of the 1st.

If we're going to need to trade up to get Barron, we could possibly flip 14 and 81 for 9 or 10. Might have to swap 7th rounders or something too, or toss in a 6th in exchange for a 7th.

New England trading up is highly uncharacteristic, though. They tend to like to trade their late 1st rounders for multiple 2nd/3rd round picks, where they've done pretty well lately.

I still could see them making a trade up play for Blackmon, too. Brady desperately needs a legitimate outside WR.

They did sign Donte Stallworth and Brandon Lloyd this year, so I don't think WR is a big priority. Just remember what Lloyd did with McDaniels in Denver with Orton at QB.

[dallasfaniac]

The last 1st round is one of the sweet spots in this draft. From about 25-40, the players are ranked about the same, but after that there's a big drop off in talent.

Yeah, I'm liking the end of round 1 and don't see trading down like 1996 and 2009 when we traded out of the 1st round entirely at 27 and 31, there's still plenty of starting caliber of players.

[RS12]

I do 14 for 27 and 31 alone, not 81. Get McClellin and Fleener.

[SDogo]

Hmmm, #14 is worth 1100

Patriots have #27 & #48 that's.........680+420........1100 hmmmmm

#27 Shea McClellin

Time to trade back up!

#45 + #81='s 635

49ers #30 = 600 (TRADE!)

#30 Peter Konz

Time to trade down and get that 3rd back!

#48 = 420 + #186 = 17 Total 437

Ravens #60 = 300 and #91 = 136 Total 436

#60 Jared Crick

#91 Ryan Broyles


Don't need to continue..........lol

[Macnalty]

CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft.

The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise.

Apr 19 - 5:29 PM
Source: CSN New England

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7497/mark-barron

Poor New England now everyone knows their draft plans someone is in big trouble when Bill finds out about this leak. We should keep this quiet and to ourselves like the Eagles moving up ahead of us to draft Luechy or was it Cox?

[casmith07]

They did sign Donte Stallworth and Brandon Lloyd this year, so I don't think WR is a big priority. Just remember what Lloyd did with McDaniels in Denver with Orton at QB.

Good point about Lloyd, but Stallworth is a #3 at best.

[Hostile]

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?

[Sasquatch]

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?

Winning consistently which makes everything appear rosy.

[Woods]

Winning consistently which makes everything appear rosy.

Actually, I think NE "only" has 6 draft picks this year, but there are 4 bunched in Rounds 1 and 2 I believe.

[dallasfaniac]

The only thing I like about New England's strategy is they seem to always trade away the later of their two 1st rounders so are constantly picking earlier than they earned.

[Dmoore Esq]

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?

I used to envy them. Now, not so much. They have absolutely failed to put together a competent defense, and it has cost them at least one super bowl. Instead of trade down and trading for future picks, draft a guy that will help you this season. When they were hitting on a lot of the late round guys, they looked like geniuses, but their recent draft record isn't that impressive.

[xwalker]

The last 1st round is one of the sweet spots in this draft. From about 25-40, the players are ranked about the same, but after that there's a big drop off in talent.

This. ^

Two players or one?
Barron or (McClellin and Konz)
Barron or (Fleener and Branch)
Barron or (Stephen Hill and Zeitler)
Barron or (Kendall Reyes and Mercilus)

[burmafrd]

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?

Bellicek and Brady is why they win. Lose either one and they go down. Their D has sucked for years and it is the main reason they lost to the Giants and have failed to win the SB the last few years. Yeah they keep acquiring picks but they do not get much with the ones they use.

[Bluestang]

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?


Does this mean that they don't have a "real" GM either?

[jswalker1981]

Good point about Lloyd, but Stallworth is a #3 at best.

They still have Welker, Hernandez, and Gronkowski. I don't think a receiving option is something that is a first round priority.

[The Realist]

Even though the end of the first round is the dead spot in the draft I'll take Konz and Zeitler so fast your head would spin.

[DFWJC]

Looking at the old draft value chart, 27 and 31 balances almost perfectly with 14 and 81 (our 3rd-rounder). Of course, the old chart isn't right, and draft pick values have probably changed further under the new CBA. If we could do it for our 4th, I'd be more inclined to say yes. Then we'd have the ammo with our 3rd to move up from 27 to the 20 range if someone was still there.
I think the newer version says our 14th and 81st for their 27th and 31st picks would be fair trade.

I think 27th is too far down though. But maybe we could use one of our other picks and slide up slightly from there.

It'll be interesting to see if the charts work very well this year. As we all know, if someone wants something bad enough they'll overpay some. As value oriented as Belicheat is, I dont; see him overpayng in any case. Almost no way.
I know that as wild as some of the trades seem....even Washington's...they have fit fairly well with the chart the last few years.

[DFWJC]

They still have Welker, Hernandez, and Gronkowski. I don't think a receiving option is something that is a first round priority.
The badly want a true outside WR. They have none right now and would like to have two.
That does not mean they'll get one inn Rd1, as there arte some good options in the next two rounds as well....or thier 31st pick would work.

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

This. ^

Two players or one?
Barron or (McClellin and Konz)
Barron or (Fleener and Branch)
Barron or (Stephen Hill and Zeitler)
Barron or (Kendall Reyes and Mercilus)

Mercilus and Reyes would make me sooooo happy

[cowboysooner]

The patriots are using a late 1st to generate an additional 2nd ound pick in each draft. They are essentially getting the second as perpetual interEst on a pick around 30.

[casmith07]

They still have Welker, Hernandez, and Gronkowski. I don't think a receiving option is something that is a first round priority.

Those guys proved to be pretty much nonfactors against the Giants, and the Giants don't have an all-world secondary.

They need someone that will legitimately command double teams by DBs on the outside. Maybe Lloyd can be that guy.

[DFWJC]

The badly want a true outside WR. They have none right now and would like to have two.
That does not mean they'll get one inn Rd1, as there arte some good options in the next two rounds as well....or thier 31st pick would work.
:laugh2:
You can tell that I'm all thumbs on my phone at times.
jeesh

Anyway, bottomline is they have two TEs and a slot receiver....no true outside WRs.

[Wulfman]

I realize that there is a drop-off from Barron to Harrison Smith, but enough for New England to trade both firsts? I don't think so.

I think they sit tight and get a pass-rusher and Smith with those two picks, assuming they don't trade one of them.

[jswalker1981]

:laugh2:
You can tell that I'm all thumbs on my phone at times.
jeesh

Anyway, bottomline is they have two TEs and a slot receiver....no true outside WRs.

Brandon Lloyd. In 2010, when he was with Denver with Josh McDaniels, he averaged 18.8 yards a reception. That is only second to Mike Wallace's 21 yard average of receivers with 60 or more catches. I think they'll be fine on the outside.

[Eskimo]

Hmmm, #14 is worth 1100

Patriots have #27 & #48 that's.........680+420........1100 hmmmmm

#27 Shea McClellin

Time to trade back up!

#45 + #81='s 635

49ers #30 = 600 (TRADE!)

#30 Peter Konz

Time to trade down and get that 3rd back!

#48 = 420 + #186 = 17 Total 437

Ravens #60 = 300 and #91 = 136 Total 436

#60 Jared Crick

#91 Ryan Broyles


Don't need to continue..........lol

Give me Silatolu or Zeitler instead of Konz and I'd love that draft.

The problem I have with Konz is the guy couldn't finish his last two seasons due to ankle injuries - not just minor ankle injuries either - he dislocated his ankle. He has significant shredding of his ligaments and bruising of his articular cartilage in an accident like that.

Now add a tendency to blood clots on top of a guy with a tendency to ankle injuries and you're just asking for trouble.

All the medical advisors to these teams thinking of drafting him in the first round need to be fired due to improper modeling of the risk inherent in this draft pick.

Nevertheless, I"d love McClellin, Zeitler, Crick and Broyles. I still think we should get a CB and maybe would prefer Brandon Boykin or Casey Heyward with the pick at #60 and another attempt to get a DE later in the draft - Bequette in the 4th? Hicks in the 5th?

[Manwiththeplan]

Despite what ever the draft chart says, NE will have a hard time finding someone to trade all the way back to 27. Most teams that pick in the top 10 or so want an immediate impact and that isn't a garuntee at 27. You'll get 2 good players no doubt, but you are not as likely to get an immediate impact.

Out of the teams that pick before us, I can see Arizona wanting to drop that far back since they don't have a second rounder, but that's it. Even then, I'm not sure if I wouldn't rather trade back with a SD or NYJ if I'm them.

[Hostile]

Does this mean that they don't have a "real" GM either?I think Belichick is the best head coach in the NFL...for now. yes, I am saying Garrett will assume that post one day. He has a long climb right now.

They have never had a "real GM" the way it is described on this forum. That does not and should not diminish the job Scott Pioli was doing. That is the reason I keep saying these guys are hung up on a title. Ultimately it is still the guy doing the bulk of the evaluations that is the guy truly having the impact or lack thereof, regardless of the title he carries.

I cannot figure out why that is so hard to accept. I have never said Jerry is a talent evaluator. Not one time. So how is that defending his role as one? It literally doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

I do have faith in Tom Ciskowski and Jason Garrett. That is where our faith should be. The hell with Jerry Jones and his figurehead title. It doesn't mean anything other than he wants the blame placed on him when we fail. So place it there. The buck stops there.

He is more of a football guy than his critics give him credit for, but he is not, and never has been a talent evaluator. I will stand by that and I know I am right.

[Bluestang]

I think Belichick is the best head coach in the NFL...for now. yes, I am saying Garrett will assume that post one day. He has a long climb right now.

They have never had a "real GM" the way it is described on this forum. That does not and should not diminish the job Scott Pioli was doing. That is the reason I keep saying these guys are hung up on a title. Ultimately it is still the guy doing the bulk of the evaluations that is the guy truly having the impact or lack thereof, regardless of the title he carries.

I cannot figure out why that is so hard to accept. I have never said Jerry is a talent evaluator. Not one time. So how is that defending his role as one? It literally doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

I do have faith in Tom Ciskowski and Jason Garrett. That is where our faith should be. The hell with Jerry Jones and his figurehead title. It doesn't mean anything other than he wants the blame placed on him when we fail. So place it there. The buck stops there.

He is more of a football guy than his critics give him credit for, but he is not, and never has been a talent evaluator. I will stand by that and I know I am right.


Right on. I think Jerry needs to keep the HC job steady rather than expecting immediate results.

[InmanRoshi]

Absolutely no to anything that involves dropping below 20. Goose said there are 21 players in this draft with 1st round grades, and there is a lull between 22-60 where everyone is grouped similarly. I don't think Goose is a great talent evaluator, but I think he has his pulse on NFL front offices as his track record shows. I'm not leaving this draft without one of those 21 first round caliber players. I didn't sit though an embarrassing, crappy non-playoff season with nothing but a couple of 3rd round caliber players to show for it. I've had enough of the Jason Williams/Robert Brewster drafts.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

I'm sorry but I'm not buying this for one sec...

[theogt]

Absolutely no to anything that involves dropping below 20. Goose said there are 21 players in this draft with 1st round grades, and there is a lull between 22-60 where everyone is grouped similarly. I don't think Goose is a great talent evaluator, but I think he has his pulse on NFL front offices as his track record shows. I'm not leaving this draft without one of those 21 first round caliber players. I didn't sit though an embarrassing, crappy non-playoff season with nothing but a couple of 3rd round caliber players to show for it. I've had enough of the Jason Williams/Robert Brewster drafts.Actually, I think he said there are about 4-6 elite players and then there are about 20-25 additional players that are first round worthy. That makes it an extremely deep first round and one where the late first round/early second round picks are highly valuable relative to other years. If 25-30 players are truly first round quality, then you know that some teams will draft lower quality players high and hence a number of the first round quality players will fall. That means that there will be first round quality players drafted in the early 2nd round.

[Eskimo]

Absolutely no to anything that involves dropping below 20. Goose said there are 21 players in this draft with 1st round grades, and there is a lull between 22-60 where everyone is grouped similarly. I don't think Goose is a great talent evaluator, but I think he has his pulse on NFL front offices as his track record shows. I'm not leaving this draft without one of those 21 first round caliber players. I didn't sit though an embarrassing, crappy non-playoff season with nothing but a couple of 3rd round caliber players to show for it. I've had enough of the Jason Williams/Robert Brewster drafts.


The thing is that I don't really believe there is a sudden drop off from pick 20 to 21. It flies in the face of logic that there would be such a sharp drop off in ability at that point in the draft.

I'd need to see research proven over many years to suggest there is a marked difference in quality between players drafted say from positions 17-21 versus players drafted 22-26. If there were such a sharp cutoff I would expect 3 times as many Pro Bowlers in the first group compared to the second group. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't mind dropping out of the range but I want a rich package of picks to build back up all the weak spots on this roster. This is a very deep draft and I think we need to generate 3-4 quality starters from this group if we are going to put ourselves back into contention for a SB.

[Randy White]

This is just my opinion, but the Patriots try to get too cute with their Drafts. Every year it looks like they are the big winners because they have extra 1st round picks next year. But if they never actually take players with those extra picks then what exactly are they doing that is so right?

I've been saying the same thing for a while now. I understand the concept of " keeping your powder dry " ( Jerry's own phrase ), but at some point you have to s or get off the pot. They're the perfect example against people who argue that the draft should be conducted " this way " or " that way ". There is no " sure way " to conduct a draft. All systems, theories, procedures, methods... whatever.., have flaws.

Today in the NFL network I heard coach Billick say that " need is the worse evaluator in the draft ", which is UTTERLY ridiculous. The draft's primary function IS to fill " needs ". Now, to use " need " as the sole factor to make a pick is not smart and would most probably fail more times than not, but " need " is just as important as any other factor that's taken into consideration when making a pick.

[Beast_from_East]

CSN New England's Tom Curran is hearing from multiple sources that the Patriots would target Alabama S Mark Barron if they made a trade to move up in the draft.

The Pats certainly have a need opposite Patrick Chung. They also have the ammo to trade up from No. 27, but they would have to give up quite a bit to move in front of the Cowboys at No. 14. As SI.com's Peter King suggested early in the week, Barron's stock is steadily on the rise.

Apr 19 - 5:29 PM
Source: CSN New England

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7497/mark-barron

Draft picks are worth more now with a rookie cap, so the old draft chart is useless.

For pick 14, I would want #27, #31, and a 3rd next year.


If that price is too high, I stay put and draft Barron or DeCastro if available.

[Sarge]

I just don't see NE trading up in that scenario.

[cowboysooner]

When you see guys like Whitney Mercilus and Brockers going off mock drafts around 25 it is a pretty deep draft. Those guys are first rounders in nearly any year and they have pro bowl potential with no major injuries in their history. I think it ends around 25-27. There will be some guys taken earlier that are not consensus first rounders due to need.

[Manwiththeplan]

Draft picks are worth more now with a rookie cap, so the old draft chart is useless.

For pick 14, I would want #27, #31, and a 3rd next year.


If that price is too high, I stay put and draft Barron or DeCastro if available.

I don't know how much the 14th pick was effected by the rookie cap. I think top 5 were definately effected and 6-10 were slightly effected. After that I think those contracts were already "under control." Only difference is it's set set in stone so there are no holdouts, but the money is likely similar.

However, I wouldn't drop to 27 for just the 31rst pick, so we atleast agree there.

[DBOY3141]

No way New England does that trade. That's not their game.

No way I would drop that far back.

Furthest I would trade back is to Cincy and i wouldn't do it unless I can get both their 1sts.

[Deep_Freeze]

No way New England does that trade. That's not their game.

No way I would drop that far back.

Furthest I would trade back is to Cincy and i wouldn't do it unless I can get both their 1sts.

Don't think they are mentioning us trading with NE, they mention NE trading with someone else to jump ahead of us to get Barron.

That said, I don't see this happening in the visible universe.

[Fla Cowpoke]

The new salary cap makes the top 10 picks more valuable, after that it really didn't change anything.

The likely swap would be #14 and our 4th rounder for #27 and #31. I agree there is likely to be some very good talent at 27 and 31 to pair up. I think they would be a step down from what we could get individually at #14 though.

I do like SDogo's suggestion of #14 for #27 and their second rounder. I think we would be better off getting another pick in the top two rounds and keeping our 4th.

Fun to discuss the options though.