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SDogo
04-20-2012, 05:25 PM
Jumped in on a GM mock at another board.

This draft just flipped on Dallas IMO

1. IND-Andrew Luck
2. WAS-Robert Griffin III
3. MIN-Matt Kalil
4. CLE-Trent Richardson
5. TB-Morris Claiborne
6. STL-Fletcher Cox
7. JAX-Melvin Ingram
8. MIA-Ryan Tannehill
9. CAR-Dontari Poe
10. BUF-Mark Barron
11. KC-Michael Brockers
12. SEA-Quinton Coples
13. ARZ-Justin Blackmon

14. DAL-

DeCastro
Whitney
Upshaw


No trades in this one.....

This might be a worst case scenario if Dallas is not sold on taking a OG early and can't find a dance partner.

Is this trule a David DeCastro or trade down scenario?

Sasquatch
04-20-2012, 05:28 PM
It's not sexy, but I go with Decastro as BPA, which is how I think it may actually turn out given the late rise of Barron.

ABQcowboyJR
04-20-2012, 05:28 PM
I'd take Gilmore. He is still there and could arguably help the secondary more than anyone left. Him or Decastro. Guess you could reach for Hightower......I like him alot.

Can't believe Blackmon fell that far. I have to believe MIA would take him if available.

couchscout
04-20-2012, 05:28 PM
Jumped in on a GM mock at another board.

This draft just flipped on Dallas IMO

1. IND-Andrew Luck
2. WAS-Robert Griffin III
3. MIN-Matt Kalil
4. CLE-Trent Richardson
5. TB-Morris Claiborne
6. STL-Fletcher Cox
7. JAX-Melvin Ingram
8. MIA-Ryan Tannehill
9. CAR-Dontari Poe
10. BUF-Mark Barron
11. KC-Michael Brockers
12. SEA-Quinton Coples
13. ARZ-Justin Blackmon

14. DAL-

DeCastro
Whitney
Upshaw


No trades in this one.....

This might be a worst case scenario if Dallas is not sold on taking a OG early and can't find a dance partner.

Is this trule a David DeCastro or trade down scenario?

Absolutely the worst case scenario for Dallas! If no trade partner could be established I'd be ok with Mercilus or Decastro. I don't want Upshaw anywhere near this football team.


I get the feeling from the people I talk to that the Cowboys are just hoping one of Ingram, Cox, or Barron fall to them. If it doesn't play out like that, it'll be very interesting to see what we do.

a_minimalist
04-20-2012, 05:29 PM
Jumped in on a GM mock at another board.

This draft just flipped on Dallas IMO

1. IND-Andrew Luck
2. WAS-Robert Griffin III
3. MIN-Matt Kalil
4. CLE-Trent Richardson
5. TB-Morris Claiborne
6. STL-Fletcher Cox
7. JAX-Melvin Ingram
8. MIA-Ryan Tannehill
9. CAR-Dontari Poe
10. BUF-Mark Barron
11. KC-Michael Brockers
12. SEA-Quinton Coples
13. ARZ-Justin Blackmon

14. DAL-

DeCastro
Whitney
Upshaw


No trades in this one.....

This might be a worst case scenario if Dallas is not sold on taking a OG early and can't find a dance partner.

Is this trule a David DeCastro or trade down scenario?

I'd have a very hard time passing on DeCastro. I love Mercilus but I'm not sure how I feel about him at #14.

RS12
04-20-2012, 05:30 PM
DeCastro. Next.

SDogo
04-20-2012, 05:31 PM
It's not sexy, but I go with Decastro as BPA, which is how I think it may actually turn out given the late rise of Barron.

I'm also the Bills GM in this Mock because of my ties there. The Barron selection was not done lightly. I have gotten some news that makes that pick a VERY real possibility.

The Bills have no issues making the Controversial pick, they have always been a wild card. It remind me of 2006 when they took Whitner at 8. They love to take DB's early and have sworn this off season will continue to be about making the defense better.

They have a need at safety and it seems they have set their sights on Barron.

couchscout
04-20-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd take Gilmore. He is still there and could arguably help the secondary more than anyone left. Him or Decastro.


Biggest problem with Gilmore is that he doesn't fit our scheme. He's an off man corner in the Newman mold. Ryan really wants CBs who excel at press coverage like Carr and Jenkins. It's always a gamble when you're picking a player that you have no tape of them doing what they will be doing in your scheme. I've heard his name come up often from fans and such, but every time I sit down and watch him play, I come away with the feeling he would be a much better fit a zone/bend don't break scheme.

ABQcowboyJR
04-20-2012, 05:34 PM
Biggest problem with Gilmore is that he doesn't fit our scheme. He's an off man corner in the Newman mold. Ryan really wants CBs who excel at press coverage like Carr and Jenkins. It's always a gamble when you're picking a player that you have no tape of them doing what they will be doing in your scheme. I've heard his name come up often from fans and such, but every time I sit down and watch him play, I come away with the feeling he would be a much better fit a zone/bend don't break scheme.
.....Gilmore plays press pretty well. He does have a few tendencies that need to be coached out of him. He can play either scheme because he is athletic enough to flip his hips. In my mind he fits Ryans scheme very well. Projection is always needed in drafting.

I think you get that feeling he will fit in zone because he really likes to look into the backfield. Not something I picked up when watching him until it was brought to my attention. If he can cut down on that and play within the scheme and called play, ( so get coached up) he will be a very solid corner.

Sonny Koufax
04-20-2012, 05:35 PM
:bow: DeCastro and don't look back.

28 Joker
04-20-2012, 05:40 PM
DeCastro

I'd start him at center. At a minimum, he's starts at one of the guards.

Upshaw is tempting, because I don't want the Cowboys giving Spencer a lucrative contract. Paying Spencer $ 8.8 million to play one year is bad enough.

However, DeCastro is the cleaner player.

dgr81
04-20-2012, 05:46 PM
tannehill

cowboyjoe
04-20-2012, 06:21 PM
Jumped in on a GM mock at another board.

This draft just flipped on Dallas IMO

1. IND-Andrew Luck
2. WAS-Robert Griffin III
3. MIN-Matt Kalil
4. CLE-Trent Richardson
5. TB-Morris Claiborne
6. STL-Fletcher Cox
7. JAX-Melvin Ingram
8. MIA-Ryan Tannehill
9. CAR-Dontari Poe
10. BUF-Mark Barron
11. KC-Michael Brockers
12. SEA-Quinton Coples
13. ARZ-Justin Blackmon

14. DAL-

DeCastro
Whitney
Upshaw


No trades in this one.....

This might be a worst case scenario if Dallas is not sold on taking a OG early and can't find a dance partner.

Is this trule a David DeCastro or trade down scenario?

If you cant trade like you said buddy, then you take the best player on your board at 14. that would be decastro. However, after saying that, I might rather want to trade down, get a 3rd and draft whitney or upshaw. I am hearing that upshaw may fall pretty hard, late in the lower first round or into 2nd round.

jimnabby
04-20-2012, 06:26 PM
Absolutely the worst case scenario for Dallas!If the absolute worst case scenario for Dallas this year is to get DeCastro at 14, I'd consider us in a pretty enviable position.

JBell523
04-20-2012, 06:26 PM
You screwed us over by having Buffalo take Barron, bruh. The Bills have way bigger needs than safety.

InmanRoshi
04-20-2012, 06:32 PM
I'm glad I'm reading this stuff so I can resign myself ahead of time that Barron won't be there at 14.

Some flippantly say you can just move DeCastro to center, but the learning curve is steep enough for a rookie being asked to play as a Day 1 starter without asking him to move to a position he's never played as well. Not to mention a position that is typically responsible for the line calls. Bernadeau has never played regular season snaps at center and reportedly looked bad playing the position when the Panthers tried him there in preseason. You're probably looking at another year of Costa at center.

Deep_Freeze
04-20-2012, 06:35 PM
I'm glad I'm reading this stuff so I can resign myself ahead of time that Barron won't be there at 14.

Some flippantly say you can just move DeCastro to center, but the learning curve is steep enough for a rookie being asked to play as a Day 1 starter without asking him to move to a position he's never played as well. Not to mention a position that is typically responsible for the line calls.

He played center in high school, but got moved in college.

I would rather have Barron in this particular draft, but if that doesn't happen, DeCastro would be a nice secondary prize.

InmanRoshi
04-20-2012, 06:37 PM
He played center in high school, but got moved in college..

Oh, I'm sorry, he played center in high school. Yeah, then there wouldn't be much adjustment at all.

cowboy_ron
04-20-2012, 06:48 PM
It's not sexy, but I go with Decastro as BPA, which is how I think it may actually turn out given the late rise of Barron.
Exactly what I was thinking...would go far in solidifying the OL for a decade

casmith07
04-20-2012, 06:51 PM
Go with DeCastro as BPA.

theogt
04-20-2012, 06:52 PM
DD, obviously.

Corleone
04-20-2012, 07:03 PM
Woah that draft just owned us as far as defense goes and I would be surprised if it were something similar to that on draft day. However, I'd be really happy with that outcome because we would be get my top pick, DeCastro and Philly wouldn't have a Fletcher Cox, Barron Coples kind of guy fall to them so I'm fine with that.

Eskimo
04-20-2012, 07:05 PM
Jumped in on a GM mock at another board.

This draft just flipped on Dallas IMO

1. IND-Andrew Luck
2. WAS-Robert Griffin III
3. MIN-Matt Kalil
4. CLE-Trent Richardson
5. TB-Morris Claiborne
6. STL-Fletcher Cox
7. JAX-Melvin Ingram
8. MIA-Ryan Tannehill
9. CAR-Dontari Poe
10. BUF-Mark Barron
11. KC-Michael Brockers
12. SEA-Quinton Coples
13. ARZ-Justin Blackmon

14. DAL-

DeCastro
Whitney
Upshaw


No trades in this one.....

This might be a worst case scenario if Dallas is not sold on taking a OG early and can't find a dance partner.

Is this trule a David DeCastro or trade down scenario?

If there is no trade down I'd probably take Whitney.

Eskimo
04-20-2012, 07:06 PM
I'm glad I'm reading this stuff so I can resign myself ahead of time that Barron won't be there at 14.

Some flippantly say you can just move DeCastro to center, but the learning curve is steep enough for a rookie being asked to play as a Day 1 starter without asking him to move to a position he's never played as well. Not to mention a position that is typically responsible for the line calls. Bernadeau has never played regular season snaps at center and reportedly looked bad playing the position when the Panthers tried him there in preseason. You're probably looking at another year of Costa at center.

Killa Kowalski will be ready to play Center next year. He was our best interior OL last season, not that that is saying much.

Picksix
04-20-2012, 07:13 PM
I don't see how DeCastro being available is a worst-case scenario. So the team supposedly isn't that high on him. Okay, but the guy still projects to being a great player. That's not exactly a bad deal.

DFWJC
04-20-2012, 07:32 PM
DeCastro

Cowboy Junkie
04-20-2012, 08:02 PM
Jumped in on a GM mock at another board.

This draft just flipped on Dallas IMO

1. IND-Andrew Luck
2. WAS-Robert Griffin III
3. MIN-Matt Kalil
4. CLE-Trent Richardson
5. TB-Morris Claiborne
6. STL-Fletcher Cox
7. JAX-Melvin Ingram
8. MIA-Ryan Tannehill
9. CAR-Dontari Poe
10. BUF-Mark Barron
11. KC-Michael Brockers
12. SEA-Quinton Coples
13. ARZ-Justin Blackmon

14. DAL-

DeCastro
Whitney
Upshaw


No trades in this one.....

This might be a worst case scenario if Dallas is not sold on taking a OG early and can't find a dance partner.

Is this trule a David DeCastro or trade down scenario?

I would take Decastro or Whitney and wouldnt blink.
I think both will be very good players.

Id lean Decastro here because it fits a need

Cowboy Junkie
04-20-2012, 08:06 PM
I would take Decastro or Whitney and wouldnt blink.
I think both will be very good players.

Id lean Decastro here because it fits a need

I may even take that CB from South Carolina here or could trade down. lots of choices here. this would not be devaststing at all.
Dallas did a good job in free agency. that will go a long way to help this draft

Cowboy Junkie
04-20-2012, 08:08 PM
I may even take that CB from South Carolina here or could trade down. lots of choices here. this would not be devaststing at all.
Dallas did a good job in free agency. that will go a long way to help this draft

Just noticed Kuechly would fall to Dallas. That would be my pick, too great a talent to pass up

Eskimo
04-20-2012, 09:34 PM
Just noticed Kuechly would fall to Dallas. That would be my pick, too great a talent to pass up

But now you have four ILBs and none of them really can play OLB for us.

You could try and move Carter but I'm not sure there is much of a market for him now after he couldn't get on the field. Everyone probably thinks and perhaps rightly so that he doesn't have the instincts to play pro football. He may have gotten by on the previous level by being faster than everyone and running everything down. That doesn't work in the pro game where one false step frequently makes you toast against the better athletes on this level. We even tried to put him in the nickel packages so he could use his speed and he couldn't execute out there.

I hope it is a case of just having missed TC/PS and not being able to get up to speed in the middle of a rookie season. However, I think there is a very high probability the kid busts and we were wise to bring in Connor and sign him for a few years.

The scout who suggested Carter needs to be fired if this is how it all plays out. There was no need to reach on a player who needed a red shirt year and couldn't be worked out at the Combine.

Oh_Canada
04-20-2012, 09:43 PM
I'd take Mercilus or Hightower.

pupulehaole
04-20-2012, 10:19 PM
Gilmore plzzzzzzz, thx you, come again.

Deep_Freeze
04-20-2012, 10:22 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, he played center in high school. Yeah, then there wouldn't be much adjustment at all.

Hey all I was saying is DeCastro has played the position before, but of course there would be alot of adjustment for him if he made the switch back to center at this level.

With all the last minute shuffling going on in this draft, all we can do is wait and see who will be there.

jobberone
04-20-2012, 10:51 PM
Whitney is a situational pass rusher who has no place on our team. Hightower is better suited to play 4-3 DE for a team like Philly. Ingram can play SILB and SOLB as well as a situational pass rusher at DE or DT. I think he can be better overall than Spencer. He fits here. There are others who fit as well. I like the Poe kid but doubt either him or Ingram are at 14. Which brings us to Decastro if Barron and Cox aren't there. Or a trade down. Gilmore is iffy for us. He really is a zone type guy and his inconsistency scares me. Having said that I think he can play here. There are probably other CBs later on who can play press well for us and that's where I'd go. This is a great draft to trade down if your players aren't there at 14. I'd love a low round first, two seconds and two thirds in this draft.

Joshmil53
04-20-2012, 11:14 PM
What's a GM mock? :s

Anyways, I'd take DeCastro in a heartbeat.

Oh_Canada
04-20-2012, 11:33 PM
Whitney is a situational pass rusher who has no place on our team. Hightower is better suited to play 4-3 DE for a team like Philly..

I didn't realize the 'Boys had soooo many good pass rushers that a guy with 16.5 sacks in a major conference wasn't needed on the team.

Phrozen Phil
04-20-2012, 11:35 PM
DeCastro. Next.

A few months ago, this was the dream scenario for a lot of folks (including me) on this board. Barron has become the flavour of the month and suddenly, may be out of reach. Amazing how things change in such short order. I figure by Tuesday, that Kuechly will not only be our pick, but might be moving beyond our reach or may have fallen out of round one completely. Players move up and down this draft like a popcorn fart.:D

Eskimo
04-20-2012, 11:43 PM
A few months ago, this was the dream scenario for a lot of folks (including me) on this board. Barron has become the flavour of the month and suddenly, may be out of reach. Amazing how things change in such short order. I figure by Tuesday, that Kuechly will not only be our pick, but might be moving beyond our reach or may have fallen out of round one completely. Players move up and down this draft like a popcorn fart.:D

Guards and RBs always fall as you approach the draft.

QBs, LTs and pass rushers rise.

What seemed obvious awhile ago now seems questionable. I really wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the 16-18th picks which is around where most of the highest rated interior OL seem to go.

I'd be okay with DeCastro but prefer a trade down if there isn't good value in a pass rusher at that point in the draft. I think there will be good value in the 20s which is where we should trade down towards.

DFWJC
04-20-2012, 11:46 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, he played center in high school. Yeah, then there wouldn't be much adjustment at all.

My thought exactly. I can't believe anyone would think there is not an issue assuming he could or would want to go center

Phrozen Phil
04-20-2012, 11:51 PM
Guards and RBs always fall as you approach the draft.

QBs, LTs and pass rushers rise.

What seemed obvious awhile ago now seems questionable. I really wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the 16-18th picks which is around where most of the highest rated interior OL seem to go.

I'd be okay with DeCastro but prefer a trade down if there isn't good value in a pass rusher at that point in the draft. I think there will be good value in the 20s which is where we should trade down towards.

I think a lot of teams are looking to do the same thing, unfortunately. As long as we can get O-Line, secondary, and D-Line help in this draft that can contribute this season, I'll be happy.

Zaxor
04-21-2012, 01:05 AM
you know that draft could be worse if the dolphins don't take tannehill but someone else like Blackmon..and than KC takes deCastro

jobberone
04-21-2012, 03:40 AM
I didn't realize the 'Boys had soooo many good pass rushers that a guy with 16.5 sacks in a major conference wasn't needed on the team.

That's because you don't know the player well enough to make such sarcastic comments. He's not going to take Spencer's spot because he's not strong enough to play SOLB. And we don't need to spend a 14 on a player who will spell Ware. Not enough snaps there. He's a pure pass rusher with less than average strength who fits a 4-3 team's need. Even there he's going to have trouble against the run. He needs to go to the right team which is why he's not in the top ten or 15 prospects.

Macnalty
04-21-2012, 05:59 AM
Whitney is a situational pass rusher who has no place on our team. Hightower is better suited to play 4-3 DE for a team like Philly. Ingram can play SILB and SOLB as well as a situational pass rusher at DE or DT. I think he can be better overall than Spencer. He fits here. There are others who fit as well. I like the Poe kid but doubt either him or Ingram are at 14. Which brings us to Decastro if Barron and Cox aren't there. Or a trade down. Gilmore is iffy for us. He really is a zone type guy and his inconsistency scares me. Having said that I think he can play here. There are probably other CBs later on who can play press well for us and that's where I'd go. This is a great draft to trade down if your players aren't there at 14. I'd love a low round first, two seconds and two thirds in this draft.

I really disagree on Hightower, he can play in the 3-4 he played four different positions at Alabama and excelled at each. He is the hammer you bring to the fight each week, something lacking in the Dallas Cowboys, I see him and Ronell Lewis as the two hammer guys in this years draft with Hightower having the higher ceiling and the ability to play with his hands down or up and jumping all over guys who need some motivation.

Oh_Canada
04-21-2012, 06:47 AM
That's because you don't know the player well enough to make such sarcastic comments. He's not going to take Spencer's spot because he's not strong enough to play SOLB. And we don't need to spend a 14 on a player who will spell Ware. Not enough snaps there. He's a pure pass rusher with less than average strength who fits a 4-3 team's need. Even there he's going to have trouble against the run. He needs to go to the right team which is why he's not in the top ten or 15 prospects.

His strength can be developed...very few players coming out of college are equipped to play SOLB on every snap anyhow. You're also forgetting the Cowboys system often finds the outside linebackers playing with their hand on the ground, in fact many personnel people think they play almost as much 4-3 as they do 3-4 in the traditional sense.

burmafrd
04-21-2012, 07:14 AM
Total BS that the oppurtunity to get an Elite OG prospect and the possibility of having the most dominant Left Side of an O line in the NFL is considered a worst case scenario.

Chuck 54
04-21-2012, 07:27 AM
I definitely want defense in round one, not a freaking OG; however if no trade down, I have to take DeCastro over Kirkpatrick.

BlindFaith
04-21-2012, 09:33 AM
I'd seriously consider taking Floyd in this case.

Outside of Dez and Austin we really have no one. And the new rookie scale would mean he'd only be paid about 2 mil per. This is turning into a passing league. Why not add more receivers?

Or what about Reiff? A top 10 tackle slipping to 14. Talk about BPA. I'd take the tackle over the guard anyday.

And you still have Coples, the best 3-4 DE prospect in the draft. Motor aside, he would still be a huge upgrade over Coleman/Spears. And cheaper. We cut Coleman and save some money while upgrading. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Nice thing about the new rookie wage scale is that these young guys have to come in and play if they want to get paid. No longer can they come in, get the huge payday, and then mail it in.

DFWJC
04-21-2012, 11:00 AM
I'd seriously consider taking Floyd in this case.

Outside of Dez and Austin we really have no one. And the new rookie scale would mean he'd only be paid about 2 mil per. This is turning into a passing league. Why not add more receivers?

Or what about Reiff? A top 10 tackle slipping to 14. Talk about BPA. I'd take the tackle over the guard anyday.

And you still have Coples, the best 3-4 DE prospect in the draft. Motor aside, he would still be a huge upgrade over Coleman/Spears. And cheaper. We cut Coleman and save some money while upgrading. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Nice thing about the new rookie wage scale is that these young guys have to come in and play if they want to get paid. No longer can they come in, get the huge payday, and then mail it in.
Reiff is not a top 10 ranked player according to many rankings. Gil Brandt has him there, but many (most?) others don't. He occasionally gets mocked in the top due to his position, but as a prospect, he is very often rated in the 17-19 range.

Actually, the same goes for Floyd.

So you have two guys that may not even be BPA, plus they are not very high need positions for us right now.

Coples on the other hand............possible home run pick there.

Call me a wimp, but I'd probably take DeCastro anyway.

jobberone
04-21-2012, 11:12 AM
I really disagree on Hightower, he can play in the 3-4 he played four different positions at Alabama and excelled at each. He is the hammer you bring to the fight each week, something lacking in the Dallas Cowboys, I see him and Ronell Lewis as the two hammer guys in this years draft with Hightower having the higher ceiling and the ability to play with his hands down or up and jumping all over guys who need some motivation.

I think Hightower can play SOLB in a 3-4 but he's not very good in the hips. I think he would struggle more than we'd like in coverage. I'm sure there are plenty of both 3-4 and 4-3 teams looking at him though. He should go in the 20s although someone could reach. He is the type of player you want on your team I just don't want him here. He may go to Philly and I may have to eat my words. He's perfect for both Philly and NY. Yuck.

jobberone
04-21-2012, 11:18 AM
His strength can be developed...very few players coming out of college are equipped to play SOLB on every snap anyhow. You're also forgetting the Cowboys system often finds the outside linebackers playing with their hand on the ground, in fact many personnel people think they play almost as much 4-3 as they do 3-4 in the traditional sense.

Look, I like the guy. He has a future in the NFL. But have you really looked at the guy well? He's not a big guy and his legs are sprinters. He's not real big in the upper body although its ok. He would do best in a 4-3 although I have to admit he could develop into a very good or better WOLB in the 3-4. We just don't need to spend a 14 on Ware's backup with all the other needs we have.

TheCount
04-21-2012, 11:20 AM
DeCastro.

jobberone
04-21-2012, 11:21 AM
I think Coples is too small to be a prototypical 3-4 DE but he could grow into it IMO. I'm really afraid he will go to Philly.

1LoyalCowboyFan
04-21-2012, 12:24 PM
BPA DeCastro. Now go find us the BPA at 45 :D

Wulfman
04-21-2012, 02:56 PM
But now you have four ILBs and none of them really can play OLB for us.

You could try and move Carter but I'm not sure there is much of a market for him now after he couldn't get on the field. Everyone probably thinks and perhaps rightly so that he doesn't have the instincts to play pro football. He may have gotten by on the previous level by being faster than everyone and running everything down. That doesn't work in the pro game where one false step frequently makes you toast against the better athletes on this level. We even tried to put him in the nickel packages so he could use his speed and he couldn't execute out there.

I hope it is a case of just having missed TC/PS and not being able to get up to speed in the middle of a rookie season. However, I think there is a very high probability the kid busts and we were wise to bring in Connor and sign him for a few years.

The scout who suggested Carter needs to be fired if this is how it all plays out. There was no need to reach on a player who needed a red shirt year and couldn't be worked out at the Combine.

Wow...just wow. Way to throw a guy under the bus for no reason.

You do realize he was coming off of a serious injury, and they weren't really counting on getting much, if anything, out of him last year, right? It was purely a developmental pick with the idea that he be ready to go full speed this offseason and training camp.

It's WAY too early to know if he's going to be a bust or the next big contributor on defense.

As for the pick, I agree about not taking Kuechly, and it's not because I think Carter is going to bust...it's because they brought Connor in as insurance already.

And since you can't trade back with a team that wants Floyd (you KNOW Cleveland would be willing to package picks and move up), you take DeCastro and start him at C from day 1.

DFWJC
04-21-2012, 11:54 PM
But now you have four ILBs and none of them really can play OLB for us.

You could try and move Carter but I'm not sure there is much of a market for him now after he couldn't get on the field. Everyone probably thinks and perhaps rightly so that he doesn't have the instincts to play pro football. He may have gotten by on the previous level by being faster than everyone and running everything down. That doesn't work in the pro game where one false step frequently makes you toast against the better athletes on this level. We even tried to put him in the nickel packages so he could use his speed and he couldn't execute out there.

I hope it is a case of just having missed TC/PS and not being able to get up to speed in the middle of a rookie season. However, I think there is a very high probability the kid busts and we were wise to bring in Connor and sign him for a few years.

The scout who suggested Carter needs to be fired if this is how it all plays out. There was no need to reach on a player who needed a red shirt year and couldn't be worked out at the Combine.
Hey E
Don't give up on Carter just yet. There is no real evidence whatsoever yet that he can't be player. In fact quite possibly the opposite.
You're jumpin the gun given the circumstances

BlindFaith
04-22-2012, 10:54 AM
Reiff is not a top 10 ranked player according to many rankings. Gil Brandt has him there, but many (most?) others don't. He occasionally gets mocked in the top due to his position, but as a prospect, he is very often rated in the 17-19 range.

Actually, the same goes for Floyd.

So you have two guys that may not even be BPA, plus they are not very high need positions for us right now.

Coples on the other hand............possible home run pick there.

Call me a wimp, but I'd probably take DeCastro anyway.

I still see Reiff rated as the number two LT in many rankings, and a solid top 15 guy. More athletic than DeCastro.

I'm starting to get a sense that Floyd and Blackmon are running neck and neck. Blackmon getting the edge, but not by much. Still, Floyd is a top 15 guy.

Ren
04-22-2012, 12:15 PM
i'd run as fast as i could to turn the DeCastro pick inn

LOBO7
04-22-2012, 01:09 PM
Total BS that the oppurtunity to get an Elite OG prospect and the possibility of having the most dominant Left Side of an O line in the NFL is considered a worst case scenario.

I Agree. Tony may have enough time to look down field this year.

kyle28282
04-22-2012, 01:37 PM
Luke Kuechley ?

kyle28282
04-22-2012, 02:11 PM
Keep Kuechley Away From The Sheagles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DFWJC
04-22-2012, 02:13 PM
I still see Reiff rated as the number two LT in many rankings, and a solid top 15 guy. More athletic than DeCastro.

I'm starting to get a sense that Floyd and Blackmon are running neck and neck. Blackmon getting the edge, but not by much. Still, Floyd is a top 15 guy.
Stick to you guns. If that's who you'd take, than so be it.
Where would he play?

casmith07
04-22-2012, 02:13 PM
Hey SODOG (hehehe) what did you go with? We're all waiting here with baited breath, man!

BlindFaith
04-22-2012, 05:04 PM
Stick to you guns. If that's who you'd take, than so be it.
Where would he play?

I'm just saying they'd be the BPA at 14.

And in this scenario I'd draft Reiff over DeCastro. He could probably start for us at guard and obviously has the ability to play tackle, which DeCastro doesn't.

I'd take Floyd myself if this is how it were to play out and we couldn't trade down.

But with both Floyd and Reiff still on the board, I'm sure we wouldn't have any problems trading down.