Jones / Evans

[tupperware]

Surprised no one has been talking about this.

Thoughts?

[Hostile]

Jones is going to destroy him. If anyone has a link, I want it. He is one of the few fighters I really think is great.

[pupulehaole]

Jones is not going to lose for the next few years in my opinion. Love his fighting style.

[MC KAos]

so i heard there is a way for people to watch these events for free on the internet! how rude........but id like to see what that looks like......for research, you know! so....err......if you have a link, PM me....please?

[JonJon]

Jones is going to destroy him. If anyone has a link, I want it. He is one of the few fighters I really think is great.

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/120331/1/watch-ufc-145:-jones-vs-evans.html

[JonJon]

I got Jones BTW. Evans is just too old. He might have a good moment here and there, but I think Jones will be too much for Evans.

[tupperware]

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc.html

Oops, ninja'd.

[MC KAos]

i hope evans wins, but i think jones will destroy him. i dont know anything about UFC, so i might be completely wrong

[MC KAos]

so when will the actual fight start do you guys think? 11 central?

[kTXe]

Jones looked human for the first time in his career against Machida. In the first round, at least.

That being said, everything Evans does well, Jones does better. Throw in his incredible reach, elbows, and dangerous submissions, and it is clear why Jones is such a huge favorite.

I'm more excited about what lies ahead of Jones after he disposes of Evans. I don't think Hendo will be much of a challenge for him, but Hendo hits harder than just about anyone, and Jones' chin hasn't really been tested.

If Jones is able to take down Hendo, he will have beaten all of the true top contenders at 205 (guys like Davis, Bader, and Gustafsson just aren't ready, IMO). What next? My dream - a Jones / Anderson Silva mega-match. I have wanted to see GSP / Silva for a while, but with GSP's knee injuries and his reluctance to move up to 185, Jones / Silva makes more sense. I doubt Dana White will have the balls to pit his two biggest stars against one another, but I can dream.

[MC KAos]

again, excuse my ignorance in the sport, but what is the normal weight that silva, jones and GSP fight in?

[TheCount]

I'm Jones Fan #1, but you guys are making this seem more open and shut than it is. Rashad is legit.

[kTXe]

again, excuse my ignorance in the sport, but what is the normal weight that silva, jones and GSP fight in?
GSP - Welterweight (170)
Silva - Middleweight (185)
Jones - Light Heavyweight (205)

Silva has fought at LHW twice, as well.

[kTXe]

I'm Jones Fan #1, but you guys are making this seem more open and shut than it is. Rashad is legit.
Evans is the 2nd best LHW in the world. He is a phenomenal fighter. But this is a terrible match-up for him. He does literally nothing better than Jones. I'd be shocked if he were to pull it out.

[Sasquatch]

If Evans can keep his head, close the distance, and get Jones on his back we could have an interesting bout.

[Sasquatch]

I know this is supposed to be the Jon Jones Show but, man, Rory MacDonald looks GOOD.

[JonJon]

I know this is supposed to be the Jon Jones Show but, man, Rory MacDonald looks GOOD.

Yeah he does. He beat a good fighter with ease.

[Hoofbite]

Jeez. Rogan shaves his head and qualifies for social security.

[rash]

Jeez. Rogan shaves his head and qualifies for social security.

what do you mean?

[Hostile]

Anyone else got an ad right in the middle of the action?

[Danny White]

http://atdhenet.tv/

[Hostile]

He and GSP are still the 2 fighters I think are the best I have seen.

[Bluestang]

Anyone else got an ad right in the middle of the action?


I'm using firstrowsports.eu and I get the ad in the middle, but there is a white dot in the right corner that you have to click to get rid of it.

[Bluestang]

Those elbows are just viscious.

[SDogo]

For such a hyped fight that was a yawn fest.

[JonJon]

For such a hyped fight that was a yawn fest.

I think Evans was content to not get knocked out.

[Sasquatch]

It would be interesting to see Jones fight someone on equal footing with him physically. Rashad landed some good blows and took him the distance, which is an accomplishment, but apart from the headkick the outcome never seemed in doubt. I was surprised he didn't try to get Jones on his back more but maybe Jones is just too darn hard to get down.

[Bluestang]

For such a hyped fight that was a yawn fest.


There were a few blows that shook both fighters but Rashad went defense after round 2 and Jones just kept him at bay with his reach. Jones may need to move up to make things more of a challenge for him.

[TheCount]

For such a hyped fight that was a yawn fest.

Yawn fest if you don't appreciate that this is what happens when two ground fighters face off.

I thought it was a good fight, I'm not sure what others were expecting but I didn't think anyone was going to get knocked out.

Don't get it twisted, Rashad is still one of the best. Unfortunately, he had no real answers for Jones' length.

[TheCount]

It would be interesting to see Jones fight someone on equal footing with him physically. Rashad landed some good blows and took him the distance, which is an accomplishment, but apart from the headkick the outcome never seemed in doubt. I was surprised he didn't try to get Jones on his back more but maybe Jones is just too darn hard to get down.

Jones has NEVER been taken down. Rashad knew that wasn't the path to victory so he tried to stand up.

[Sasquatch]

Yawn fest if you don't appreciate that this is what happens when two ground fighters face off.

I thought it was a good fight, I'm not sure what others were expecting but I didn't think anyone was going to get knocked out.

Don't get it twisted, Rashad is still one of the best. Unfortunately, he had no real answers for Jones' length.

Rashad did pretty darn well considering he had an almost 10" reach disadvantage. That's crazy.

Is there any one left for Jones to fight at LHW?

[Sasquatch]

On tap for Jones, Dan Henderson.

[kTXe]

On tap for Jones, Dan Henderson.
Yup. Should be another easy victory for Jones. But you never know with Hendo's brick of a right hand. Jones' chin is really the only thing left to be tested. He showed he could respond to adversity against Machida. Proved his cardio could carry him through 5 tough rounds tonight.

If he gets through Hendo, there's not much left at 205. Dear God, please let Jones / Anderson Silva happen in 2013.

[Hoofbite]

what do you mean?

He looked old as ****.

Looked like he went from middle aged to retirement aged in no time at all and I think shaving the head really made him look old.

[Ren]

Winning or losing looks like it comes 2nd for Rashad after not getting KO'd

Jones is the real life Dhalsim

[Future]

For such a hyped fight that was a yawn fest.
To me, that's the UFC in a nutshell.

On a side note, Bones is from Ithaca where I went to college. I've met him at the bar a couple of times because my roommate used to work for him (designed his shorts/banner, stuff like that) and he's a real cool guy, always buys me shots :laugh2:

He also takes home any girl he darn well pleases.

[Sasquatch]

To me, that's the UFC in a nutshell.

On a side note, Bones is from Ithaca where I went to college. I've met him at the bar a couple of times because my roommate used to work for him (designed his shorts/banner, stuff like that) and he's a real cool guy, always buys me shots :laugh2:

He also takes home any girl he darn well pleases.

Isn't he happily married with kid(s)?

[TheCount]

On tap for Jones, Dan Henderson.

I don't know what Dan's gonna do with that length either, but this is another one of those fights where the wrestling should cancel out and we're going to have to watch something very similar to what we just saw. Five rounds of Dan trying to get in range to land a haymaker.

[Hoofbite]

I thought the fight was impressive to be honest.

I am by no means an expert but the way jones continuously attacked from a variety of different approaches was impressive to me.

The short elbows in the 2nd were absolutely awesome. Just using them at will.

I think people should probably get used to fights like that.

As the sport evolves, I think it's going to become more common that you see a technical dual for round after round as opposed to seeing one guy overextend himself and get caught.

I absolutely loved Jones' response when Rogan asked him about pulling guard at the end.

Dude's awesome. I think he's the type of guy who could be successful at anything he does because he has the ability, he has the brains and he has the desire to improve day in and day out.

A lot of guys have awesome ability or whatnot but I think what separates the elite from the rest of the pack is the absolutely desire to improve at all costs. Complacency will take everything you've worked for if you stop working.

[Hoofbite]

Side note, anyone see the dude go swimming after getting knocked out?

Just reaching for the stars, eyes crossed as all hell?

That's was great.

[Future]

Isn't he happily married with kid(s)?
First I'd heard that. I found that he's engaged with three kids, but not married.

With athletes though, I don't know that marriage is super important when it comes to getting some :laugh2:

[CATCH17]

Rashad is my favorite fighter. I hope he gets a rematch. I would've liked to have seen him go for more take downs. I thought once when he had his back he could've gone for the slam.


I think Rashad is so much more skilled than Jones but Jones length is just too much to overcome.

If Rashad was in Jon Jones body and vice versa I think Rashad ends that fight.


I want a rematch.

[ABQCOWBOY]

IMO, this fight was either fixed or Jones has a lot to be worried about. Evans is 32, he trained at sea level and it showed after the 3rd round IMO. Jones is younger, trained at altitude and had a 10 inch reach on Evans and he did nothing to really hurt Evans. Jones really should have knocked him out IMO. Evans was made to order for him and he could do nothing. I'm shocked that the fight went the way it did. This was either a huge set up or seriously, the Jones camp better start worrying about Jones.

[CATCH17]

IMO, this fight was either fixed or Jones has a lot to be worried about. Evans is 32, he trained at sea level and it showed after the 3rd round IMO. Jones is younger, trained at altitude and had a 10 inch reach on Evans and he did nothing to really hurt Evans. Jones really should have knocked him out IMO. Evans was made to order for him and he could do nothing. I'm shocked that the fight went the way it did. This was either a huge set up or seriously, the Jones camp better start worrying about Jones.

I think you under rate Rashad.

He is probably the best underdog fighter in the UFC. He's only lost 1 fight and thats because he was fighting like an idiot.


Rashad is just more skilled than Jon Jones. Jones only beat him because of his reach.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think you under rate Rashad.

He is probably the best underdog fighter in the UFC. He's only lost 1 fight and thats because he was fighting like an idiot.


Rashad is just more skilled than Jon Jones. Jones only beat him because of his reach.

Not at all Catch. I like Rashad and have followed him very closely. Heck, he used to train right here in Albuquerque. I like Rashad but he has looked old his last two fights. Jones should have beat the crap out of him and he couldn't do it. I agree, Rashad is probably more experienced, he certainly has better hand speed and power but, 10 inches and a better conditioned athlete with youth in favor of him should have really won this fight going away. Has nothing at all to do with Rashad. Great, great fighter but he's 32 and this is not a game for old men. I'm telling you, the Jones camp better start paying attention to this.

[Hostile]

I noticed no hugs after the fight. Is there bad blood there?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I noticed no hugs after the fight. Is there bad blood there?


Should not be. Those guys are pretty tight. You see them together all the time here, or at least you used to before they went into training. They used to hang out down at Nob Hill area all the time.


However, you are absolutely right Hos. No interaction after the fight. I have to wonder if this wasn't set up to be a rematch fight all along. As I eluded to earlier, it seems as if this fight should have been way different. I can see Bones taking a scrub fight and then giving Evans a rematch. I can also see Evans retiring shortly after that or if they work it so Evans wins the rematch, then Bones getting an immediate rematch and taking the title back and then Evans retiring. This just smells a little too much like payday to me. IDK.

[Ren]

Evans is extremely good at running away after Machida KO'd him he's been one of the most boring fighters in all of mma. Not getting KO'd is a win for him it seems like.

In round 4 it was pretty clear he was losing the fight yet he kept moonwalking, he seemed content by just not getting knocked out. Based on this fight Evans does not deserve a rematch

[CATCH17]

Should not be. Those guys are pretty tight. You see them together all the time here, or at least you used to before they went into training. They used to hang out down at Nob Hill area all the time.


However, you are absolutely right Hos. No interaction after the fight. I have to wonder if this wasn't set up to be a rematch fight all along. As I eluded to earlier, it seems as if this fight should have been way different. I can see Bones taking a scrub fight and then giving Evans a rematch. I can also see Evans retiring shortly after that or if they work it so Evans wins the rematch, then Bones getting an immediate rematch and taking the title back and then Evans retiring. This just smells a little too much like payday to me. IDK.


Evans is only 32 I think he still has some years left in him. He has had a ton of ring rust as well because he was injured for so long.


But yeah Rashad doesn't like Jones because they agreed to never fight each other and their coach said that they would never fight each other and if it came down to it he would pick Rashad over Jon Jones.


Oh well. I hope we get a rematch because nobody else stands a chance against Jones.

[InmanRoshi]

Seems like MMA goes through cycles and phases. 4-5 years ago it was wrestling ground and pounders, but everyone's shoot defense got too strong. Now the sport is going through a reach/jab phase with Jones & the Diaz Bros. GSP was also using a lot of jabs in his Koz and Shields fights.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Evans is only 32 I think he still has some years left in him. He has had a ton of ring rust as well because he was injured for so long.


But yeah Rashad doesn't like Jones because they agreed to never fight each other and their coach said that they would never fight each other and if it came down to it he would pick Rashad over Jon Jones.


Oh well. I hope we get a rematch because nobody else stands a chance against Jones.

I'm telling you this is wrong Catch. That whole, never fight thing was staged. They were hanging out with each other after that. That's show.

[Joe Rod]

Jones-Evans was the most boring fight on the card. Jones was content just to keep him at bay and slap him around while Evans was kind enough to get slapped around. He could not get inside of Jones' reach.

That Rothwell-Schaub fight was amazing. It looked like Schaub had him on the ropes, only to get knocked out less than ten seconds later.

I love Schaub climbing the imaginary rope. He was so out of it!

[Sasquatch]

IMO, this fight was either fixed or Jones has a lot to be worried about. Evans is 32, he trained at sea level and it showed after the 3rd round IMO. Jones is younger, trained at altitude and had a 10 inch reach on Evans and he did nothing to really hurt Evans. Jones really should have knocked him out IMO. Evans was made to order for him and he could do nothing. I'm shocked that the fight went the way it did. This was either a huge set up or seriously, the Jones camp better start worrying about Jones.

There's no one who can match him physically as a LHW.

[TheCount]

IMO, this fight was either fixed or Jones has a lot to be worried about. Evans is 32, he trained at sea level and it showed after the 3rd round IMO. Jones is younger, trained at altitude and had a 10 inch reach on Evans and he did nothing to really hurt Evans. Jones really should have knocked him out IMO. Evans was made to order for him and he could do nothing. I'm shocked that the fight went the way it did. This was either a huge set up or seriously, the Jones camp better start worrying about Jones.

Not every fight ends in a knockout. When two ground fighters fight, this is usually what happens. You'll notice Jones didn't unleash his usual barage of kicks, spinning elbows, etc. Because he didn't want to get taken down and dry humped to a decision, which Rashad WILL do if you give him the opportunity.

Rashad was not "made to order" for Jones, the fact that the fight wasn't a slug fest means it was fixed? Gimmie a break.

Rashad is my favorite fighter. I hope he gets a rematch. I would've liked to have seen him go for more take downs. I thought once when he had his back he could've gone for the slam.


I think Rashad is so much more skilled than Jones but Jones length is just too much to overcome.

If Rashad was in Jon Jones body and vice versa I think Rashad ends that fight.


I want a rematch.

He's not going to get one because he didn't do much of anything to suggest a rematch might have a different outcome. Not unless he clears everyone else out again or Jones loses.


The idea that the beef is faked is ridiculous. The circumstances that have played out aren't just talk for the camera, Rashad didn't leave his longtime camp, the same camp that helped him become champ, for the sake of selling one fight.

The thing about fighting is even if you dislike someone, after you fight them, the beef tends to dissipate. What more is there left to say? Even if they don't become besties, they can be civil afterwards just like they were civil before the fight.


There's no one who can match him physically as a LHW.

Sure there is, Alexander Gustafsson, but he's still a few fights away. Gustafsson should be next up for Bader, Machida or maybe even Shogun. If he wins that fight he might earn himself a shot.

[BraveHeartFan]

Yawn fest if you don't appreciate that this is what happens when two ground fighters face off.

I thought it was a good fight, I'm not sure what others were expecting but I didn't think anyone was going to get knocked out.

Don't get it twisted, Rashad is still one of the best. Unfortunately, he had no real answers for Jones' length.

My thoughts exactly.


I'm thrilled that Jones won. I absolutely can't stand Evans. So I'm thrilled he got beat.

And it's obvious since Machida knocked him stupid that Evans fights not to be put on a highlight reel rather than fighting to win.

He doesn't seem to care if he loses just so long as he's not knocked out in spectacular fashion.

[BraveHeartFan]

Should not be. Those guys are pretty tight. You see them together all the time here, or at least you used to before they went into training. They used to hang out down at Nob Hill area all the time.


However, you are absolutely right Hos. No interaction after the fight. I have to wonder if this wasn't set up to be a rematch fight all along. As I eluded to earlier, it seems as if this fight should have been way different. I can see Bones taking a scrub fight and then giving Evans a rematch. I can also see Evans retiring shortly after that or if they work it so Evans wins the rematch, then Bones getting an immediate rematch and taking the title back and then Evans retiring. This just smells a little too much like payday to me. IDK.

Its my understanding that there is definately bad blood there. It stems initially from Evans being pissed off about a comment that Jones would fight him if the UFC saw fit to make them fight. This was back when they were training together in the same camp.

Evans apparently was really upset because the two had apparently agreed that they'd never fight and then Jones said he would fight him if the UFC told him to.


Then Evans went to try to steal his spotlight after he won the belt and after his first defense, though this was likely more the UFC and Dana than it was Evans himself, and things Evans starting saying in interviews about how he knew exactly how to beat Jones, and how he would throw him around in practice and hold him down, caused Jones to start to really not like Evans.


That's my understanding anyway.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not every fight ends in a knockout. When two ground fighters fight, this is usually what happens. You'll notice Jones didn't unleash his usual barage of kicks, spinning elbows, etc. Because he didn't want to get taken down and dry humped to a decision, which Rashad WILL do if you give him the opportunity.

Rashad was not "made to order" for Jones, the fact that the fight wasn't a slug fest means it was fixed? Gimmie a break.

Augh, no. When you have a 32 year old fighter who is not in great shape against a 24 year old fighter with 10 inches reach and in much better condition, this is not what usually happens. He never hurt Evans really and he never pressed the fight at all IMO. Evans had opportunity to take Jones down and he really could not do it.

Rashad Evans WAS made to order for Jon Jones, he just didn't do anything with it IMO. However, well soon see. I'll pass on you break comment. I have a feeling that you won't bringing that up again if in fact this is a quick rematch. Feel free to bring it up repeatedly if I am wrong but I won't be.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Its my understanding that there is definately bad blood there. It stems initially from Evans being pissed off about a comment that Jones would fight him if the UFC saw fit to make them fight. This was back when they were training together in the same camp.

Evans apparently was really upset because the two had apparently agreed that they'd never fight and then Jones said he would fight him if the UFC told him to.


Then Evans went to try to steal his spotlight after he won the belt and after his first defense, though this was likely more the UFC and Dana than it was Evans himself, and things Evans starting saying in interviews about how he knew exactly how to beat Jones, and how he would throw him around in practice and hold him down, caused Jones to start to really not like Evans.


That's my understanding anyway.

I think that this is all show. Again, these guys hang out with each other in clubs her in Albuquerque. You see them and it's pretty easy to see that they aren't pissed off with each other.

I think it's all part of the show but it doesn't really matter. Time will eventually tell the tail.

[Sasquatch]

Sure there is, Alexander Gustafsson, but he's still a few fights away. Gustafsson should be next up for Bader, Machida or maybe even Shogun. If he wins that fight he might earn himself a shot.

Down the road a little, yes, but I think AG needs a few more fights before he's ready for Jones.

[CATCH17]

Augh, no. When you have a 32 year old fighter who is not in great shape against a 24 year old fighter with 10 inches reach and in much better condition, this is not what usually happens. He never hurt Evans really and he never pressed the fight at all IMO. Evans had opportunity to take Jones down and he really could not do it.

Rashad Evans WAS made to order for Jon Jones, he just didn't do anything with it IMO. However, well soon see. I'll pass on you break comment. I have a feeling that you won't bringing that up again if in fact this is a quick rematch. Feel free to bring it up repeatedly if I am wrong but I won't be.

Man I hope you're right.


Rashad can beat this guy but he's gotta chop him down.

People can blame Rashad for being boring but Jones was equally as boring by just trying to use his length advantage.

[BraveHeartFan]

Augh, no. When you have a 32 year old fighter who is not in great shape against a 24 year old fighter with 10 inches reach and in much better condition, this is not what usually happens. He never hurt Evans really and he never pressed the fight at all IMO. Evans had opportunity to take Jones down and he really could not do it.

Rashad Evans WAS made to order for Jon Jones, he just didn't do anything with it IMO. However, well soon see. I'll pass on you break comment. I have a feeling that you won't bringing that up again if in fact this is a quick rematch. Feel free to bring it up repeatedly if I am wrong but I won't be.


I only caught part of the post fight stuff by they were interviewing Hendo as if they expected him to be getting the next shot at Jon Jones.

If that's the case I don't know how Rashad is going to be getting a quick rematch. Of course the people talking with him could have been speaking hypothetically, cause as I said I only caught part of the post fight stuff.

[TheCount]

Down the road a little, yes, but I think AG needs a few more fights before he's ready for Jones.

Agreed, he needs some more experience.

Augh, no. When you have a 32 year old fighter who is not in great shape against a 24 year old fighter with 10 inches reach and in much better condition, this is not what usually happens. He never hurt Evans really and he never pressed the fight at all IMO. Evans had opportunity to take Jones down and he really could not do it.

Rashad Evans WAS made to order for Jon Jones, he just didn't do anything with it IMO. However, well soon see. I'll pass on you break comment. I have a feeling that you won't bringing that up again if in fact this is a quick rematch. Feel free to bring it up repeatedly if I am wrong but I won't be.

You want a rematch of, according to you, a fixed boring fight where one opponent was old, out of shape and served to the other on a silver platter? Why, exactly? So he can be reserved? Your argument doesn't even make sense.

And no there won't be a quick rematch because Dan Henderson is already up next for Jones.

I don't care that you may have a different opinion from my own on who is the better fighter, that's part of sports, but the fact that you immediately declare the fight fixed because it didn't go the way you expected is ridiculous.

I think that this is all show. Again, these guys hang out with each other in clubs her in Albuquerque. You see them and it's pretty easy to see that they aren't pissed off with each other.

I think it's all part of the show but it doesn't really matter. Time will eventually tell the tail.

How are they hanging out together in Alburquerque when Rashad lives and trains in Coconut Grove? Maybe they hung out when they were still at the same camp, but Rashad isn't flying all the way to NM to hang out with a rival while he's hyping a fight about how much he hates said rival, even if the whole thing is staged. That's just stupid business, and Rashad isn't stupid.

Man I hope you're right.


Rashad can beat this guy but he's gotta chop him down.

People can blame Rashad for being boring but Jones was equally as boring by just trying to use his length advantage.

I don't find Rashad to be boring at all. I think at times he plays it safe, but he's not a boring fighter. I enjoyed the whole fight, but complaining that Jones relies too much on his length is just hate talking. It's like saying Silva relies too much on his reflexes or Rashad relies too much on his quickness.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You want a rematch of, according to you, a fixed boring fight where one opponent was old, out of shape and served to the other on a silver platter? Why, exactly? So he can be reserved? Your argument doesn't even make sense.

Not what I said at all. That's what you just said. I said I bet there will be one. I said I would not be surprised if Jones fought a scrub and then had a rematch with Evans. That is exactly what I said. I never once said I wanted to see one. Good try thou.

And no there won't be a quick rematch because Dan Henderson is already up next for Jones.


Again, I never said they would fight immediately. I said quick. I don't know what that means to you but to me, that's in the next few fights. I can see why you get turned around. You don't really read the posts.

I don't care that you may have a different opinion from my own on who is the better fighter, that's part of sports, but the fact that you immediately declare the fight fixed because it didn't go the way you expected is ridiculous.

Again, you didn't read what I posted. I said that either that fight was fixed or the Jones camp has something to be worried about because he should have killed Evans and he didn't. You should just have this conversation by yourself. you clearly are not interested in what I posted because all you are doing is putting words in my mouth as opposed to actually discussing what I said.

How are they hanging out together in Alburquerque when Rashad lives and trains in Coconut Grove? Maybe they hung out when they were still at the same camp, but Rashad isn't flying all the way to NM to hang out with a rival while he's hyping a fight about how much he hates said rival, even if the whole thing is staged. That's just stupid business, and Rashad isn't stupid.

Because Evans used to train here. Also, yeah, that's exactly what Evans is doing. When he comes to the West coast, he does come and occasionally hang out. That does happen. If you don't want to believe that, that's your thing but that don't mean its wrong. These guys are not mortal enemies. I'm just saying that's not how it is with them but whatever.

[TheCount]

You've done an excellent job of backtracking on almost all of your ludicrous statements. Bravo, well done.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You've done an excellent job of backtracking on almost all of your ludicrous statements. Bravo, well done.

Why don't you do this. Before you break your own arm patting yourself on your own back, go back and actually read my post. See if anything I told you was a lie.

Post 43, third page. That was my first post in this thread.

[TheCount]

Why don't you do this. Before you break your own arm patting yourself on your own back, go back and actually read my post. See if anything I told you was a lie.

Post 43, third page. That was my first post in this thread.

I didn't call you a liar, I said your statements where ludicrous.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't call you a liar, I said your statements where ludicrous.

Actually, you said I was back tracking on everything I said which is completely false. You said that I wanted to see a rematch, which is also false. You said all kinds of stuff that was completely untrue. Things that you said, not I.

You didn't call me a liar, you just accused me of saying all kinds of things that are not true.

Ludicrous in your opinion perhaps. That goes about how far do you think?

[basstapp]

I think its funny people saying that evans was content not getting knocked out. Some of the shots that Jones landed would of knocked a lot of other guys out. Evans has a a great chin. I think if you had to criticize anything about the fight is the fact that Jones pulled guard at the end of the fight. I don't have a problem with that, but what he said after the fight saying he is a mixed martial artist was crap. He used his reach and kept control of the octagon and never tried to take Evans down. He pulled guard because he was scared of Evans overhand right. Jones will not be beat for years to come,unless he moves up to Heavy Weight. I don't think we will ever see a Silva vs Jones fight.

[TheCount]

Actually, you said I was back tracking on everything I said which is completely false. You said that I wanted to see a rematch, which is also false. You said all kinds of stuff that was completely untrue. Things that you said, not I.

You didn't call me a liar, you just accused me of saying all kinds of things that are not true.

Ludicrous in your opinion perhaps. That goes about how far do you think?

Backtracking and lying aren't the same thing, you don't need a dictionary to know that. I don't know why you keep insisting you're a liar, I never said you were one.

Whether or not you actually know as much about MMA as you seem to think you do is another matter entirely. :laugh2:


I think its funny people saying that evans was content not getting knocked out. Some of the shots that Jones landed would of knocked a lot of other guys out. Evans has a a great chin. I think if you had to criticize anything about the fight is the fact that Jones pulled guard at the end of the fight. I don't have a problem with that, but what he said after the fight saying he is a mixed martial artist was crap. He used his reach and kept control of the octagon and never tried to take Evans down. He pulled guard because he was scared of Evans overhand right. Jones will not be beat for years to come,unless he moves up to Heavy Weight. I don't think we will ever see a Silva vs Jones fight.

I don't think he pulled guard because of the overhand right. I think he pulled guard because there was nearly no time left and he knew even if he screwed it up, the bell would save him. He had zero intentions of fighting Rashad on the ground, but you also have to keep in mind that Jones NEVER shoots. His take downs are all Greco based, so he like to sweep, trip, etc. He's not going to go for a double leg.

Rashad was well aware of that, as Rampage was and as all his future opponents will be, and avoided clinching up. It's a hard puzzel to unlock. You want to get close enough to combat his reach and land punches but not so close he can clinch up and start throwing knees or take you down.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Backtracking and lying aren't the same thing, you don't need a dictionary to know that. I don't know why you keep insisting you're a liar, I never said you were one.

Why don't you tell me what it is that I backtracked on?



Whether or not you actually know as much about MMA as you seem to think you do is another matter entirely. :laugh2:

Door swings both ways Count. So far, I'm sure you've impressed everybody. Time will certainly tell the story.

[TheCount]

Why don't you tell me what it is that I backtracked on?



Door swings both ways Count. So far, I'm sure you've impressed everybody. Time will certainly tell the story.

Who am I trying to impress again? :rolleyes:

At least I'm not so insensible I'd bring up the possibility of a fixed fight because someone wasn't knocked out.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who am I trying to impress again? :rolleyes:

At least I'm not so insensible I'd bring up the possibility of a fixed fight because someone wasn't knocked out.

Not only was he not knocked out, he was never really hurt or even in trouble. This is not just about getting knocked out. This is about beating somebody who is claimed to be a competitor with bad blood and all you are really able to accomplish is what we saw Saturday night? Yeah, I stand by what I said. Either this was a fixed fight or the Jones Camp has much bigger worries with Jones because he should have won that fight with Evans in much more impressive fashions and probably by knockout.

Now then, about the backtracking thing. Why don't you point out where I did that.

[Ren]

I think its funny people saying that evans was content not getting knocked out. Some of the shots that Jones landed would of knocked a lot of other guys out. Evans has a a great chin. I think if you had to criticize anything about the fight is the fact that Jones pulled guard at the end of the fight. I don't have a problem with that, but what he said after the fight saying he is a mixed martial artist was crap. He used his reach and kept control of the octagon and never tried to take Evans down. He pulled guard because he was scared of Evans overhand right. Jones will not be beat for years to come,unless he moves up to Heavy Weight. I don't think we will ever see a Silva vs Jones fight.


No one questioned his chin, it's his hart that's being questioned

[TheCount]

Not only was he not knocked out, he was never really hurt or even in trouble. This is not just about getting knocked out. This is about beating somebody who is claimed to be a competitor with bad blood and all you are really able to accomplish is what we saw Saturday night? Yeah, I stand by what I said. Either this was a fixed fight or the Jones Camp has much bigger worries with Jones because he should have won that fight with Evans in much more impressive fashions and probably by knockout.

If you say so.

Now then, about the backtracking thing. Why don't you point out where I did that.

Is it really worth the time to rehash this discussion? Considering your redefined the word "quick" to mean any time between now and 2 years from now, I think it's safe to say you'll use any argument you can to avoid admitting you are wrong or may have misspoke. We could go in circles all day and accomplish zilch.

Let's move on, who do you want to see Rashad fight next?

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you say so.

I do say so. I said it then and I think the same now.



Is it really worth the time to rehash this discussion? Considering your redefined the word "quick" to mean any time between now and 2 years from now, I think it's safe to say you'll use any argument you can to avoid admitting you are wrong or may have misspoke. We could go in circles all day and accomplish zilch.

Let's move on, who do you want to see Rashad fight next?

Redefined the word "quick"? No, not hardly. In post 47 of this thread, I said this.

"As I eluded to earlier, it seems as if this fight should have been way different. I can see Bones taking a scrub fight and then giving Evans a rematch. I can also see Evans retiring shortly after that or if they work it so Evans wins the rematch, then Bones getting an immediate rematch and taking the title back and then Evans retiring. This just smells a little too much like payday to me. IDK."

I didn't redefine anything. I said exactly what I thought might happen and at no time did I say quick meant an immediate rematch between Evans and Jones. Nor did I ever say that I wanted to see that happen. I said I could see it happening, not that this was what I ever wanted to see happen etc. I think it's safe to say that you don't want to address the question of what I backtracked on. My posts are all there to read. I haven't taken anything back. If I'm backtracking on statements, then you show me where.

As for your question on Evans, I don't know. If he is interested in retiring with a payday, then he might not do anything. He might just wait for a rematch offer. If he want's to stay in UCF, then maybe he might consider changing weight classes. Unless he gets a rematch with Jones, it's kinda pointless to stay in that weight class IMO. I don't see him ever getting past the younger Jones and his 10 inch reach advantage.

[basstapp]

Not only was he not knocked out, he was never really hurt or even in trouble. This is not just about getting knocked out. This is about beating somebody who is claimed to be a competitor with bad blood and all you are really able to accomplish is what we saw Saturday night? Yeah, I stand by what I said. Either this was a fixed fight or the Jones Camp has much bigger worries with Jones because he should have won that fight with Evans in much more impressive fashions and probably by knockout.

Now then, about the backtracking thing. Why don't you point out where I did that.


There was multiple times during the fight where Jones and Evans were rocked. You are looking at the top fighters in the UFC and to say that Evans was content not getting knocked out when there was a belt on the line it ridiculous. Jones is a different specimen and I would not be surprised if he went on an Anderson Silva reign with his belt.

[TheCount]

I do say so. I said it then and I think the same now.





Redefined the word "quick"? No, not hardly. In post 47 of this thread, I said this.

"As I eluded to earlier, it seems as if this fight should have been way different. I can see Bones taking a scrub fight and then giving Evans a rematch. I can also see Evans retiring shortly after that or if they work it so Evans wins the rematch, then Bones getting an immediate rematch and taking the title back and then Evans retiring. This just smells a little too much like payday to me. IDK."

I didn't redefine anything. I said exactly what I thought might happen and at no time did I say quick meant an immediate rematch between Evans and Jones. Nor did I ever say that I wanted to see that happen. I said I could see it happening, not that this was what I ever wanted to see happen etc. I think it's safe to say that you don't want to address the question of what I backtracked on. My posts are all there to read. I haven't taken anything back. If I'm backtracking on statements, then you show me where.

It's been addressed. Obviously you won't agree. We get it, you think either the fight was fixed or Jones isn't very good. The beef was fake. Rashad was out of shape, old, and fed to Jones and yet Jones couldn't knock him out, because that's how all fights end. I mean Jones has this long history of knocking people out, right?

As for your question on Evans, I don't know. If he is interested in retiring with a payday, then he might not do anything. He might just wait for a rematch offer. If he want's to stay in UCF, then maybe he might consider changing weight classes. Unless he gets a rematch with Jones, it's kinda pointless to stay in that weight class IMO. I don't see him ever getting past the younger Jones and his 10 inch reach advantage.

Retire? Why, because 32 is so old for an MMA fighter? You keep saying he's old, but 30 is the prime years for most MMA fighters, especially since most had prior disciplines (wrestling, jui jitsu, boxing, muy thai, etc.) and had to learn to be more complete fighters before making the big show.

He's already talked about dropping to 185 for "an opportunity", which I take to mean title shot or #1 contender type fight. Other than that, I fully expect him to keep fighting at 205, where he is still (and has always been) one of the best. We certainly agree that he will probably never beat Jones but Jones has also talked about moving to heavyweight at the end of the year (which I'm not sure he'll do fulltime), which would leave the door open for Rashad once more if he keeps winning fights.

[BraveHeartFan]

So now if fights from bad blood, or supposed bad blood, don't end in knock outs or impressive finishes they're fixed?

Sorry man but I'm just not going to buy into stuff like that. I am sure there is a chance it does happen but I'm not going to buy into things like that going on without some really solid evidence proving that it does happening.


Pulling that out of the air because the fight didn't go the way you believe it should is just nonsense, IMHO.

[ABQCOWBOY]

There was multiple times during the fight where Jones and Evans were rocked. You are looking at the top fighters in the UFC and to say that Evans was content not getting knocked out when there was a belt on the line it ridiculous. Jones is a different specimen and I would not be surprised if he went on an Anderson Silva reign with his belt.

But not hurt.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's been addressed. Obviously you won't agree. We get it, you think either the fight was fixed or Jones isn't very good. The beef was fake. Rashad was out of shape, old, and fed to Jones and yet Jones couldn't knock him out, because that's how all fights end. I mean Jones has this long history of knocking people out, right?

No. Could not be more wrong. I do think that there is definitely the possibility that the fight was fixed. If you wanted to stage a rematch, this would be exactly what you would want to do. On the other hand, the point you make about me thinking Jones is not any good is so out of the question, I am shocked you could even come to this conclusion. It is because I believe he is so good that I have these doubts and questions. How could you come to this conclusion? He is younger, stronger, more skilled and better conditioned. He should win this fight going away and he didn't. That's the problem. His camp should be worried because this is a fight he should have won much more impressively.



Retire? Why, because 32 is so old for an MMA fighter? You keep saying he's old, but 30 is the prime years for most MMA fighters, especially since most had prior disciplines (wrestling, jui jitsu, boxing, muy thai, etc.) and had to learn to be more complete fighters before making the big show.

That is a question that only Evans can answer but you asked me what he would do, did you not? Well, there are pretty much only two answers here. Retire or continue to fight. How can you be surprised that I gave you the two possible choices? I did not say that he would retire. I said if he wants to do that, then he might do this. BTW, it's not so much age as it is fights. Evans has had like 19 or 20, not including bouts in other disciplines. That's a lot fighting. I don't know what he has left but I will tell you this, from the 1st round to the 3rd round, Evans got old real quick. Time will tell but I don't see him getting better. He will only decline and the question becomes, does he want to do that or not? I would not be surprised to see him continue to fight because it's money but he won't improve from this point on. He will only decline in skills IMO.


He's already talked about dropping to 185 for "an opportunity", which I take to mean title shot or #1 contender type fight. Other than that, I fully expect him to keep fighting at 205, where he is still (and has always been) one of the best. We certainly agree that he will probably never beat Jones but Jones has also talked about moving to heavyweight at the end of the year (which I'm not sure he'll do fulltime), which would leave the door open for Rashad once more if he keeps winning fights.

As I said earlier, I think this is definitely a possibility. He has a history of moving around in weight classes and he's been successful with it. I would not be surprised to see him do this again.

[ABQCOWBOY]

So now if fights from bad blood, or supposed bad blood, don't end in knock outs or impressive finishes they're fixed?

Yeah that's it. Run with that.


Sorry man but I'm just not going to buy into stuff like that. I am sure there is a chance it does happen but I'm not going to buy into things like that going on without some really solid evidence proving that it does happening.

Fair enough. Nobody is asking you to.

Pulling that out of the air because the fight didn't go the way you believe it should is just nonsense, IMHO.

OK.

[TheCount]

No. Could not be more wrong. I do think that there is definitely the possibility that the fight was fixed. If you wanted to stage a rematch, this would be exactly what you would want to do. On the other hand, the point you make about me thinking Jones is not any good is so out of the question, I am shocked you could even come to this conclusion. It is because I believe he is so good that I have these doubts and questions. How could you come to this conclusion? He is younger, stronger, more skilled and better conditioned. He should win this fight going away and he didn't. That's the problem. His camp should be worried because this is a fight he should have won much more impressively.

He did easily win the fight, I don't know how you could say otherwise. That you keep standing by the idea that the fight was fixed is actually getting kind of funny. That's like saying a football game is fixed if the RB ran for 200 yards and 3 scores the game before and only 50 and 1 score the next. Again, I know you don't want to hear it, but this often happens when wrestlers face off.


That is a question that only Evans can answer but you asked me what he would do, did you not? Well, there are pretty much only two answers here. Retire or continue to fight..

Actually. I asked you who you thought Rashad should fight next, not whether he should retire or not. You got to retirement on your own, and you didn't even bother to answer the question. :laugh2:

As I said earlier, I think this is definitely a possibility. He has a history of moving around in weight classes and he's been successful with it. I would not be surprised to see him do this again.

He does not have a history of moving around in weight classes. He fought at heavyweight because that's the season they were casting for ultimate fighter, before that he had only fought at light heavy and since that he's only fought at light heavy.

[BraveHeartFan]

Yeah that's it. Run with that.



Fair enough. Nobody is asking you to.



OK.


Sorry man I just can't see where you're getting the idea was fixed other than it didn't end like you thought it should have.

I don't see anything that would indicate that fight was fixed and this is far from the first time that a fight that people thought would end in a KO, or submission, or the hatred between the two (supposed or real) would lead to fireworks...only to have the fight go just like it did.

They're great fighters and these things happen, IMO.


I'm sure everyone expected Hughes vs. Serra to end in spectacular fashion as well, because of the heat between them, only to see Hughes simply take him down over and over and control the fight and work out a decision.


Did you feel that fight was fixed as well?


That's what I'm trying to figure out is what happened, other than someone not winning in the impressive way you felt that they should have, which in MMA is simply never a given and I know you're aware of that, that makes this one a possibly fixed fight?

[BigWillie]

As I said earlier, I think this is definitely a possibility. He has a history of moving around in weight classes and he's been successful with it. I would not be surprised to see him do this again.

Don't want to get in the middle of this debate, but I thought I would address this.

Rashad doesn't have a history of jumping around weight divisions. He has one fight on his record outside of the LHW division, and that is when he fought at TUF Finale against Brad Imes. He went right back down to LHW in his next fight, and has not fought again at HW, or any other division.

His trip up to HW for The Ultimate Fighter was simply for the show. Alot of fighters in the original seasons of the show packed on weight, fighting out of their original divisions, just to be on the show, and to have a shot in the UFC.

Mike Swick fought at LHW, and is now a WW.

Kenny Florian fought at MW, and finished his career as a FW.

Keith Jardine fought as a HW, and is now a MW.

Alex Karalexis fought as a MW, ended up at LW.

I'm sure there are more, but it's still early morning and I haven't gotten all the cobwebs out of my brain yet. :D

With that said, if Rashad gets a chance at a top fight at MW, he'd be crazy not to jump at it. He has to be at the realization that he has nothing more than a punchers chance against Jon Jones as long as Jon decides to keep that belt. If he can make a big payday with a super fight against Anderson Silva, or fight someone like Belfort, Bisping or Chael, he would almost certainly cash in on that opportunity.