Hypothetical Question... Trade Up?

[Hostile]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

[myslamsareolder]

I hate trading up in the first unless someone falls hard (i.e. Dez). Trading up to get a player just because you're scared someone else will is dumb. Its called bidding against yourself. I'm a fan of staying put. If you trade it should be down.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

It would be the epitome of stoooopid.

[Zaxor]

It may make some sense it really depends on how they graded the players

[texbumthelife]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

I can't stand it when we trade down for more pics. History has in no way shown that this team can make the most of those pics. This team is best off when we just stay where we are and take BPA.

I would be completely in favor of trading up for Barron. We are not that far off in talent and he is quite possibly the difference maker we have needed in the secondary for years.

[theogt]

I can't see it happening. But I suppose it depends in how things are shaking out in the draft and what sort of intel they have.

[casmith07]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

Do it. We all realize they aren't going to draft DeCastro at this point. May as well get the guy you want.

As long as it doesn't cost our 2nd rounder. I think that pick will be a good impact pick.

[The30YardSlant]

Who are we trading up for?

[tm1119]

For Barron? No way. For Cox or Coples? Ehh depends on the price. 14 and 45 is a bit much to be honest. Although we could then trade back in the 3rd for another 4th and 5th. So our draft would be pick #8(Cox or Coples), 3 4ths, 2 5ths, 6th, and 7th. Could we make an impact with those picks?

[cowboy_ron]

IMO trading up this year would be a waste of picks with the # of holes we need to fill....If we were needing a franchise QB it would be different, although after the first two I wouldn't say there is one at this point and too early to draft one this year.

[Ren]

Cox is the only player i would not rage if we traded up for

My wish is still that we sit tight and grab DeCastro, i'm cool with Barron at 14 if that's the pick but i really hope we don't trade up for him

[dez_for_prez]

Please no.

[a_minimalist]

If it is a trade up for cox, I'd def be okay with it. It'll pain me since it seriously reduces the chances up us getting Irvin later in the draft, but I could support the move.

[jimnabby]

I'd be furious if we traded our 1 and 2 for anybody.

If Cox were to fall to 10 and we used our 3rd to trade to that spot and grab him, I guess I'd be cool with that - I think Dallas knows what they're doing when they construct a draft board, and if the board says they should do this, great.

If "our guys" are being picked off early and there's only one left by 12 or 13, I'd be okay with using our 4th to make sure we get him.

[Avery]

I can't fathom trading our #2 or #3 for anyone at this point.

[dannyboy]

Cox seems to be the only pick we would move up for. My concern with him is that he wasn't on anyone radar till this year. How proven is he?

[Hostile]

Who are we trading up for?I believe that is in the OP.

[RamziD]

I mentioned this exact scenario in a reply to one of SDogo's posts a few threads down. I think Miami is exactly who we'd have to trade with to secure either Barron or Cox. Tannehill still might fall to them at #14. Honestly, I'd only trade up to 8 for either Claiborne or Kalil if they fall that far (very doubtful). But, if the Cowboys are dead set on Cox or Barron, and it's not going to cost them too many picks this year (let's say next year's first only), then I wouldn't be too upset.

[Hostile]

I can't fathom trading our #2 or #3 for anyone at this point.
Could be a player, not a draft pick.

Felix...for instance was at one time rumored to be on Miami's radar. Now, we denied it like crazy...

[Pabst]

I have a feeling that if Dallas trades up, it'll only be with Arizona one spot ahead. They'll offer something like a 5th rounder to ensure they get Barron or Cox ahead of the Jets and Eagles.

The big problem with staying at 14 right now, is Arizona would seem to want a OT badly. If Reilly goes off the board earlier than expected, they'll be looking to trade down as much as possible to get the best value for Cordy Glenn or a more ready made OT. So you'll have a team that wants to trade down, and teams that want to trade up to jump Dallas. Not a good situation.

[Sasquatch]

Do it. We all realize they aren't going to draft DeCastro at this point. May as well get the guy you want.

As long as it doesn't cost our 2nd rounder. I think that pick will be a good impact pick.

I tend to agree with this sentiment. Quality over quantity.

[burmafrd]

Could be a player, not a draft pick.

Felix...for instance was at one time rumored to be on Miami's radar. Now, we denied it like crazy...

only if we used a player instead of a pick. And only for a couple of slots.

[arglebargle]

Trading up in a deep draft seems like a waste.

[Jenky]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

Depends on what we give to trade up. If you told me it was our 1st and our 2nd, then yes, I would be upset. We would have just dropped our chances of getting an o-line position. Moving up 6 spots does require some firepower doesn't it?

[Gaede]

I don't want a trade up unless someone really special drops. Only two I would do it for would be Claiborne or Richardson

[GroundUp]

I can't stand it when we trade down for more pics. History has in no way shown that this team can make the most of those pics. This team is best off when we just stay where we are and take BPA.

I would be completely in favor of trading up for Barron. We are not that far off in talent and he is quite possibly the difference maker we have needed in the secondary for years.


I'd have no problem trading up for Barron, because I truly believe he will be a difference maker in the NFL. I could always be wrong, but so could any of us.

[Hostile]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/04/rainer-sabin-drafting-in-reali.html

[Deep_Freeze]

Do it. We all realize they aren't going to draft DeCastro at this point. May as well get the guy you want.

As long as it doesn't cost our 2nd rounder. I think that pick will be a good impact pick.

Yeah, if its for the right player, do it.

This would be a decision that happens during the draft, and if the opportunity is there we have to consider it. I still think most are thinking about it after the fact instead of considering it right at that moment.

Alot of the same people who wouldn't like moving up, would be mad if we were stuck when we pick at #14 with all of our guys gone and can't trade down, so we end up with Brockers.

[The30YardSlant]

I believe that is in the OP.

My bad, missed the parenthesis.

No, I would not be ok with trading up for Barron. I think he is an above average safety prospect who, if he falls to us at 14, I'd be ok with.

[Risen Star]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

Like Jerry once again wasted picks and paid a higher price than he needed to.

This draft shouldn't be Barron or bust. The weakest areas on this team are the offensive and defensive lines.

I would hate it and say so immediately afterward. Then I would be accused of just hating anything we do.

[Risen Star]

I mentioned this exact scenario in a reply to one of SDogo's posts a few threads down. I think Miami is exactly who we'd have to trade with to secure either Barron or Cox. Tannehill still might fall to them at #14. Honestly, I'd only trade up to 8 for either Claiborne or Kalil if they fall that far (very doubtful). But, if the Cowboys are dead set on Cox or Barron, and it's not going to cost them too many picks this year (let's say next year's first only), then I wouldn't be too upset.

Next year's 1st?

With all due respect, I question your sanity.

[MichaelWinicki]

This draft shouldn't be Barron or bust. The weakest areas on this team are the offensive and defensive lines.


Agreed.

[MichaelWinicki]

Next year's 1st?

With all due respect, I question your sanity.


Yes, there should be sanity questions. :D

[RS12]

I dont really want Barron at 14. No way at 8. This team needs more picks not less.

[GloryDaysRBack]

There's only 1 player in this draft I'd trade up for that I have heard even the smallest amount of rumblings that he could fall

Matt Kalil

If he is available at 8-10.. I'm getting on the phones

[RamziD]

Next year's 1st?

With all due respect, I question your sanity.

Yeah, my bad, I just looked at the trade value chart and realized it's only a 300 pt. difference between 14 and 11, which is not as much as I thought. So, yeah, next year's first would be way too much, but not next year's second. I would just rather trade away one of next year's picks rather than our 2nd rounder this year because of how deep the draft is in the 2nd round.

[Risen Star]

There's only 1 player in this draft I'd trade up for that I have heard even the smallest amount of rumblings that he could fall

Matt Kalil

If he is available at 8-10.. I'm getting on the phones

The only player I'd move up for would be Andrew Luck. I'll make that exception for him considering he could be the next Peyton Manning.

Richardson would be tempting. I think he's a bell cow back but in a passing league I think I would still wait it out. If he's there at 14, there wouldn't be much of a clock run off. He's the pick.

[Tex]

For Cox yes. Baron no!

tex

[Canadian BoyzFan]

There's only 1 player in this draft I'd trade up for that I have heard even the smallest amount of rumblings that he could fall

Matt Kalil

If he is available at 8-10.. I'm getting on the phones

This is Cosell about his soon to be released final mock.

NFL Films guru Greg Cosell does not have USC LT Matt Kalil among the first 10 picks in his mock draft.
Cosell has cautioned that the "explanations (will be) more important than the actual picks" in the mock draft he's set to release on Monday, but it's still an extremely interesting opinion from one of the football media's biggest film junkies.

[Woods]

I wouldn't trade up for Barron from 14.

I'd just happily draft DeCastro (assuming Cox is gone), or try to engineer a trade back.

[Zaxor]

look lets just say the Cowboys feel the other prospects are all flawed and not going to be of much help this year but they feel Barron could be a starter for them... why would they not want to do it....seems every year there are fans that think every pick is going to be an all pro regardless of round when in reality it is not..I think most teams hope to get 2 or 3 players out of each draft...if Dallas feels they got a guy that they feel can make a difference I think they should be aggressive to an extent and get him...

If trading down is the thing to do lets trade all our picks and see if we can dominate the 7th rnd

I think people get caught up in what rnd a guy should go and not whether he can play or not.

I rather reach for a guy the scouts and coaches all feel can play than wait and pick through left overs...

sometimes it is wise to sit and wait depending upon draft projections other times moving down is wise and sometimes being aggressive is called for but I want that to be a scout decision...

if they feel Barron is the best safety prospect the cowboys are going to be able to realistically get for the next 2 or 3 years than get his butt...it is a need and has been for awhile...

there are more 7th rnd failures than hits and the same can be said about almost every rnd but the 1st if Dallas can give Miami its 1st and 5th, 6th and 7th...now it may not be by the chart to miami's favor but you are actually trading players and not picks so it is 4 players for 1 player...and while I agree this team is scattered with holes I rather get a chance at a stud at a position of need and try to draft the best I can with the rest unless I see another opportunity to be aggressive without mortgaging the next years draft.

[CCBoy]

My immediate concerns on Barron are that he appears to be top notched, but is in fact being compared to a group of lower valued safeties to begin with. He was injured in what normally is an energy commitment year for prospects coming out of college.

He really hasn't been measured at recovery levels of play...and as such, is an unfinished product to pin franchise directions upon.

There is enough, true quality NFL talent that will reach the position that Dallas drafts in now. I wouldn't give away value, that will still be there.

[CCBoy]

look lets just say the Cowboys feel the other prospects are all flawed and not going to be of much help this year but they feel Barron could be a starter for them... why would they not want to do it....seems every year there are fans that think every pick is going to be an all pro regardless of round when in reality it is not..I think most teams hope to get 2 or 3 players out of each draft...if Dallas feels they got a guy that they feel can make a difference I think they should be aggressive to an extent and get him...

If trading down is the thing to do lets trade all our picks and see if we can dominate the 7th rnd

I think people get caught up in what rnd a guy should go and not whether he can play or not.

I rather reach for a guy the scouts and coaches all feel can play than wait and pick through left overs...

sometimes it is wise to sit and wait depending upon draft projections other times moving down is wise and sometimes being aggressive is called for but I want that to be a scout decision...

if they feel Barron is the best safety prospect the cowboys are going to be able to realistically get for the next 2 or 3 years than get his butt...it is a need and has been for awhile...

there are more 7th rnd failures than hits and the same can be said about almost every rnd but the 1st if Dallas can give Miami its 1st and 5th, 6th and 7th...now it may not be by the chart to miami's favor but you are actually trading players and not picks so it is 4 players for 1 player...and while I agree this team is scattered with holes I rather get a chance at a stud at a position of need and try to draft the best I can with the rest unless I see another opportunity to be aggressive without mortgaging the next years draft.

To be honest, there are no current guarantees that Barron will even break the starters role at safety, beyond going on level of being drafted. Pool and Sensabaugh are at least dependable and doable as they sit now.

Dallas has two, currently projected as 'starters' in it's secondary that it actually drafted itself. That being Orlando Scandrick and Mike Jenkins.

That's not a good indicator in a passing league.

[Deep_Freeze]

To be honest, there are no current guarantees that Barron will even break the starters role at safety, beyond going on level of being drafted. Pool and Sensabaugh are at least dependable and doable as they sit now.

Pool is just as bad of a starter as Costa and Kenyon as of right now.

He was ran out of NY, and they already sucked at safety.

[Yeagermeister]

It doesn't matter who we take this board will explode. :laugh1:

[CCBoy]

Pool is just as bad of a starter as Costa and Kenyon as of right now.

He was ran out of NY, and they already sucked at safety.

So, you can state here and now, that as a 'rook' coming in, Barron would definitely beat him out to start? I can't...

[cds99]

Not for barron i wouldnt but wouldnt be to mad if we where able to get cox at that pick.

[SDogo]

This thing took a whole different twist in my eyes when Felix was mentioned. If we can get up to 8 by including Felix and save some draft choices, most of all the 2nd rounder I have no issues with it. Dallas is going to draft a RB anyways, Murray is the starter and someone with the skill set of Felix is not hard to come by.

[diehard2294]

Cox would be the only one I would consider trading up for..otherwise let the draft come to us

[cds99]

This thing took a whole different twist in my eyes when Felix was mentioned. If we can get up to 8 by including Felix and save some draft choices, most of all the 2nd rounder I have no issues with it. Dallas is going to draft a RB anyways, Murray is the starter and someone with the skill set of Felix is not hard to come by.

SDogo, do you see us doing something like packaging felix and a pick from us to move up to get cox or someone. Would be gauging enough interest in him to want to do that?

[Deep_Freeze]

So, you can state here and now, that as a 'rook' coming in, Barron would definitely beat him out to start? I can't...

Well nothing is definite in the draft, but I do believe he would beat Pool out just as easy as DeCastro would beat out Costa or Cox would beat out Kenyon.

Last year Elam put up 0 INTs and 0 PDs for us, while last year Pool put up 1 INT and 3 PDs for the year.

At least Elam put up 68 tackles, Pool only had 36 in 2 fewer games.

Pool is only a very slight upgrade from Elam, but Pool was terrible last year also just like Costa, Elam, and Kenyon.

[SDogo]

SDogo, do you see us doing something like packaging felix and a pick from us to move up to get cox or someone. Would be gauging enough interest in him to want to do that?

I think the Cowboys are seeing the way things seem to be shaping up that they need to look heavily at making a move for a player at the top of their board or offer a discount to move down because there is becoming a serious dead zone from 9-18 in this draft.

[cds99]

I think the Cowboys are seeing the way things seem to be shaping up that they need to look heavily at making a move for a player at the top of their board or offer a discount to move down because there is becoming a serious dead zone from 9-18 in this draft.

If we do attempt to move up, do u agree thats its for cox or have a feeling someone else?

[Deep_Freeze]

I think the Cowboys are seeing the way things seem to be shaping up that they need to look heavily at making a move for a player at the top of their board or offer a discount to move down because there is becoming a serious dead zone from 9-18 in this draft.

Yeah it should be seen that right now all of our targets could be gone by #14, and trading up or trading down (which is harder cause a team has to be targeting someone available at that pick to move up) should be a consideration.

If we are sitting at #14 looking at Coples, Brockers, and Poe with noone wanting to trade up for any of them either, what do we do then. At that point, we will be wishing we had traded up.

[SDogo]

If we do attempt to move up, do u agree thats its for cox or have a feeling someone else?

It would only be for Cox or Barron. I think if both are there after St. Louis picks at 6 then keep an eye on the Cowboys war room. The Jags pick all along has been the turning point in this first round and where I expect the action to start heating up not only in Dallas but with any team looking to move up.

[cds99]

It would only be for Cox or Barron. I think if both are there after St. Louis picks at 6 then keep an eye on the Cowboys war room. The Jags pick all along has been the turning point in this first round and where I expect the action to start heating up not only in Dallas but with any team looking to move up.

I would be excited as he** to get fletcher cox with a trade up but barron i dont know. Not saying barron isnt good, i just think cox would be a great pick.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If they (Miami) would swap first round picks and felix and only that...I would be ok with doing it. Otherwise no an especially for Barron. However past exp says that Jerry normally overpays in draft picks when he really likes someone so I would say no and I really hate the rumor going around that buffalo or seattle likes Barron because I don't know if it is really true or it is a team floating it out there to get other teams to trade up.

[Edge]

It's like when your wife's high maintenance friend gonna get a spank'n new Benz E-Class, then she comes to you and says honey can we get the AMG Benz?
...Stay at 14, draft Decastro and call it a day.

[Fredd]

If we traded #14 and a player, then I am fine with a move up (Depending on the player of course). But, first, I can't see Miami moving down..if anything, they could be movers UP the board if they think they can get Tannehill...and, IMO, #8 is WAY too high for Barron....take your chances @ #14 that Barron is still there. If he isn't, then someone else fell right into your lap...

[cds99]

If we traded #14 and a player, then I am fine with a move up (Depending on the player of course). But, first, I can't see Miami moving down..if anything, they could be movers UP the board if they think they can get Tannehill...and, IMO, #8 is WAY too high for Barron....take your chances @ #14 that Barron is still there. If he isn't, then someone else fell right into your lap...


I dont see them moving down either especially cause they are after Tannehill. barron at 14 i think is way to high. If im moving up that far im going to get fletcher cox. No questions

[Zaxor]

luck-gone
RG3-gone
Claiborne-gone
Richardson-gone
blackmon-gone
Barron=gone
Cox-gone
Poe-gone
Brockers-gone
DeCastro-gone
Floyd-gone
Coples-gone
Ingram-gone
----no trade downs--- who the heck is worth taken at 14...from people I talked to it could very well be all of these are off the board

people think tannehill and kalil is going off the board early but from what I heard they might not be going top 15

[Pabst]

luck-gone
RG3-gone
Claiborne-gone
Richardson-gone
blackmon-gone
Barron=gone
Cox-gone
Poe-gone
Brockers-gone
DeCastro-gone
Floyd-gone
Coples-gone
Ingram-gone
----no trade downs--- who the heck is worth taken at 14...from people I talked to it could very well be all of these are off the board

people think tannehill and kalil is going off from what I heard they probably aren't going to go top 15

Kalil, although its not really a need. He'd be way too good to pass up.

[Tony33]

So, you can state here and now, that as a 'rook' coming in, Barron would definitely beat him out to start? I can't...

Poole is a jag, it wouldn't be surprising. In any case I don't want to draft a safety.

[tm1119]

luck-gone
RG3-gone
Claiborne-gone
Richardson-gone
blackmon-gone
Barron=gone
Cox-gone
Poe-gone
Brockers-gone
DeCastro-gone
Floyd-gone
Coples-gone
Ingram-gone
----no trade downs--- who the heck is worth taken at 14...from people I talked to it could very well be all of these are off the board

people think tannehill and kalil is going off the board early but from what I heard they might not be going top 15

Lol, Theres literally 0% chance that Kalil doesnt go top 5. Might wanna check those sources that told you he is falling.

[a_minimalist]

Poole is a jag, it wouldn't be surprising. In any case I don't want to draft a safety.

What's a jag?

[Zaxor]

Kalil, although its not really a need. He'd be way too good to pass up.

I don't believe free has the functional strength to play guard built all wrong so you can't kick him inside what are you going to do with Kalil

Lol, Theres literally 0% chance that Kalil doesnt go top 5. Might wanna check those sources that told you he is falling.

Hey I have seen more than a couple talk about his attitude problem and that he is not as good as advertised...look at charlie casserly's evaluation of him on NFL network also Mayocks...he may be the best in this years draft but he doesn't grade out as well as you seem to think he does

[casmith07]

What's a jag?

"Just a Guy."

[Zaxor]

What's a jag?


just a guy

[a_minimalist]

Thanks guys. Way out of the loop on that one.

[Woods]

luck-gone
RG3-gone
Claiborne-gone
Richardson-gone
blackmon-gone
Barron=gone
Cox-gone
Poe-gone
Brockers-gone
DeCastro-gone
Floyd-gone
Coples-gone
Ingram-gone
----no trade downs--- who the heck is worth taken at 14...from people I talked to it could very well be all of these are off the board

people think tannehill and kalil is going off the board early but from what I heard they might not be going top 15

I think Tannehill and Kalil will go Top 15.

But if they don't, we should get some great offers to trade down if we want to.

[Zaxor]

I think Tannehill and Kalil will go Top 15.

But if they don't, we should get some great offers to trade down if we want to.

why would we get offers... we aren't going to take them and the next team liekly to take tannenhill would be cleveland....the eagles might take Kalil but even if you replace the list and added kalil and took off ingram the Cowboys aren't very interested in ingram .

the beat writer for miami when asked on path to the draft who the Dolphins might take said he see's all the mock drafts having the Dolphins taken Tannenhill but he isn't getting that feeling necessarily from the dolphins and they have other needs they might address like a Passrusher, WR.

the vikes have said quite a few times don't automatically think that Kalil is the pick.

it is feasible and it leaves the Cowboys without a top tier pick at 14 that can probably step in and contribute

I think waiting around in this draft isn't necessarily a good thing...unless the cowboy scouts are convinced they got some real finds later in the draft.

[junk]

Depends on the cost, but I probably wouldn't.

Trade value chart is out of date, but it says moving from 14 to 8 would probably be your third and both fourths or your second and get something back (equivalent of a late third)

I don't think there is anyone that is that much of a "can't miss" in this draft that is worth moving up for.

[Sarge]

IMO trading up this year would be a waste of picks with the # of holes we need to fill.....

:signmast:

[DWAREZ]

Only player I would consider moving up for is Fletcher Cox, that being said I would not make a huge move up regardless.

I do think someone of value @14 will be there for us, if not we then should trade down, I would love to pick up Mercilus if the latter were the scenario.

[Verdict]

If we trade up for Barron the front office need their collective ***** kicked repeatedly. We refused to make a move up to acquire Adrian Peterson when he was within reach, who was pretty much viewed as the best running back to come out in a decade.

Not we are going to take the opposite approach and trade up for a safety, who probably would be at the bottom of round 1 in any other year? I'm not saying that Barron wouldn't help us, but moving UP to get him would be almost idiotic. Barron is by no means a sure fire pro bowler ...... he is at a substantial risk of being nothing other than average.

You don't pay a premium to move up for an average player when you could acquire a guy like Blake with the pick you would give up to get him. DeCastro and Blake are definitely > Barron.

[Zaxor]

If we trade up for Barron the front office need their collective ***** kicked repeatedly. We refused to make a move up to acquire Adrian Peterson when he was within reach, who was pretty much viewed as the best running back to come out in a decade.

Not we are going to take the opposite approach and trade up for a safety, who probably would be at the bottom of round 1 in any other year? I'm not saying that Barron wouldn't help us, but moving UP to get him would be almost idiotic. Barron is by no means a sure fire pro bowler ...... he is at a substantial risk of being nothing other than average.

You don't pay a premium to move up for an average player when you could acquire a guy like Blake with the pick you would give up to get him. DeCastro and Blake are definitely > Barron.


you better check the draft sources on Barron he actually is a better safety prospect than most that have been chosen in rnd 1 the last 6 years or so

[Zaxor]

Lol, Theres literally 0% chance that Kalil doesnt go top 5. Might wanna check those sources that told you he is falling.

link1 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/22/talk-heats-up-that-matt-kalil-could-slide/related/)
link2 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82883dcb/article/leslie-frazier-left-tackles-like-matt-kalil-arent-gamechangers?module=HP11_hot_topics)
link3 (http://thevikingage.com/2012/04/22/greg-cosells-mock-draft-has-matt-kalil-falling-out-of-the-top-10/)

[BIGDen]

We all love trading down and adding picks.

If Dallas trades up to Miami's spot (let's assume to take Barron) how would you feel?

Would this forum explode?

I would absolutely hate it. This is a deep draft that has lots of value in rounds 2-4. To give up one of those picks to move up a few spots for an oft-injured safety would sicken me. I'm not anti-Barron and believe (if he can stay healthy) that he'll be a good safety. However, I DO NOT believe that he is a player worth moving up for in this draft. There will be players there that can help us at 14. We may also be able to trade down. Last year we knew we would have a decent shot at landing Watt or Smith yet many were talking about moving up for Peterson. I'm glad we held on to our 2nd and 3rd round picks. They (Peterson, Watt, and Smith)all had good rookie years, but I still wouldn't take anyone over Smith at #9. 2nd and 3rd round picks are very valuable and not something one gives away for a safety like Barron when you have the 14th pick.

[BIGDen]

I wouldn't trade up for Barron from 14.

I'd just happily draft DeCastro (assuming Cox is gone), or try to engineer a trade back.

This. Just let the draft come to us like we did last year unless there is a guy in the later rounds that is really sliding. I believe there is a good chance that DeCastro and/or Barron will be there for us at 14 and we would be wise to just take the guy we have rated higher (hopefully DeCastro). Unless, of course, we are being offered a king's ransom for the pick.

[Zaxor]

from charlie Casserly

Barron is 6-foot-1, 213 pounds and runs the 40-yard dash in the 4.5's. He is very smart; Nick Saban runs a complex defense at Alabama and Barron had no problem understanding it. He should be able to be the defensive signal caller for his NFL team. He is very athletic and has the ability to play man coverage versus tight ends, which is not common in a safety. He is also exceptional when playing zone defense. Barron has excellent instincts to break on the ball and the speed to cover a lot of ground. As a physical player and fine tackler, he often played linebacker in Alabama's nickel defense. When I evaluate Barron as a safety, I do not see anything he can't do. To me, he's a very safe pick.

[CCBoy]

I dont see them moving down either especially cause they are after Tannehill. barron at 14 i think is way to high. If im moving up that far im going to get fletcher cox. No questions

The thing about Miami, is that it has had nineteen different quarterbacks since Dan Marino, and haven't got comparable starting talent since. They have tried multiple second round picks and didn't hit a home run on any. They may well feel that job security demands a first round quarterback this year.

[CCBoy]

Pool is just as bad of a starter as Costa and Kenyon as of right now.

He was ran out of NY, and they already sucked at safety.

Oh, I agree, the safety position could still stand increasing quality. That could be said for corner as well....but after signing a 'starter' at safety in free agency, and then the second highest paid defensive player for a cornerback, in Carr, it becomes a little harder to weed through an 'upgrade' pick there for the secondary.

[CCBoy]

from charlie Casserly

Barron is 6-foot-1, 213 pounds and runs the 40-yard dash in the 4.5's. He is very smart; Nick Saban runs a complex defense at Alabama and Barron had no problem understanding it. He should be able to be the defensive signal caller for his NFL team. He is very athletic and has the ability to play man coverage versus tight ends, which is not common in a safety. He is also exceptional when playing zone defense. Barron has excellent instincts to break on the ball and the speed to cover a lot of ground. As a physical player and fine tackler, he often played linebacker in Alabama's nickel defense. When I evaluate Barron as a safety, I do not see anything he can't do. To me, he's a very safe pick.

Zaxor, I don't disagree on general level of talent there...I just have a view of a 'big uggly' or pocket pusher here.

[Teague31]

i would be ok with it. let's get guys who can really help. i would rather do that than cut half the draft class at the end of camp.

[Zaxor]

Zaxor, I don't disagree on general level of talent there...I just have a view of a 'big uggly' or pocket pusher here.

I hear ya my friend but this notion that Barron is some sorta bum and just lucky to be considered in the top part of the first round is crazy talk...the kid is very good and would probably be the best safety we had since Woody and that is saying a little something as Roy W did make 5 pro-bowls...the position has been neglected forever and with the middle of the defense finally closed..Rob can be a bit more exotic and actually help those big uglies some....now having said all that from what I heard the talent from say the the 10-12 pick to the beginning or even the middle of the 3rd rnd are all pretty similar so if you want a more elite talent in this draft you are going to have to move up and it would seem there will not be very many chances to move down.

If Miami is targeting tannenhill they can still probably get him with Dallas's pick at 14 which is already a plus for Miami throw in a few later rnd picks 5,6 &7 and Dallas maybe able to chose between Cox and Barron which ever they have higher while still allowing them to get pretty good value with their 2nd and 3rd and see if they can pick over some leftovers with there 2 4th rnds.

I know our Cowboys have many holes but I rather the Cowboys try and grab 3 guys they think can be studs in this draft class by moving up than trying to let this board play out (now we need for the Cowboys to be as sure as they can be about the pick) but with so many people saying this is a deep draft it will be a buyers market hopefully.

[Zaxor]

i would be ok with it. let's get guys who can really help. i would rather do that than cut half the draft class at the end of camp.

I agree the boys need to be aggressive in this draft

[visionary]

hate it

draft 101:

only person you EVER trade up for into the top 10 is QB or LT and we have both

[Zaxor]

hate it

draft 101:

only person you EVER trade up for into the top 10 is QB or LT and we have both

I hear ya man and normally I would agree but not this year

[Chocolate Lab]

If we trade up for Barron the front office need their collective ***** kicked repeatedly. We refused to make a move up to acquire Adrian Peterson when he was within reach, who was pretty much viewed as the best running back to come out in a decade.How was he within reach?

[The Realist]

This team is much better moving up (Canty, Dez, Lee, Jenkins), then they are moving down.

Heck, I'd use some late round picks to move up for DeCastro/Barron in a heartbeat. Lest we miss out on this year's Unger. Who did we end up getting that year? Traded out of 2 and ended up with the likes of JW, Brewster, and the two scrub OLB's in 4 I believe.

[Zaxor]

This team is much better moving up (Canty, Dez, Lee, Jenkins), then they are moving down.

Heck, I'd use some late round picks to move up for DeCastro/Barron in a heartbeat. Lest we miss out on this year's Unger. Who did we end up getting that year? Traded out of 2 and ended up with the likes of JW, Brewster, and the two scrub OLB's in 4 I believe.

thank you and it makes perfect sense

[visionary]

This team is much better moving up (Canty, Dez, Lee, Jenkins), then they are moving down.

Heck, I'd use some late round picks to move up for DeCastro/Barron in a heartbeat. Lest we miss out on this year's Unger. Who did we end up getting that year? Traded out of 2 and ended up with the likes of JW, Brewster, and the two scrub OLB's in 4 I believe.

and where were those picks made?
bottom of rd 1 or later

that makes sense if you think someone of value is dropping

but you dont move into the top 10 for anyone but a QB or a LT

the picks would be giving up would be too high to justify it

[JackWagon]

the only reason to trade up is like Washington. You havent had a QB in 15 years and you need one that badly and you KNOW you have a franchise QB in teh draft (Rg3 and Luck). Then it makes sense to trade a lot for that kid.

[Zaxor]

and where were those picks made?
bottom of rd 1 or later

that makes sense if you think someone of value is dropping

but you dont move into the top 10 for anyone but a QB or a LT

the picks would be giving up would be too high to justify it

what if I said you could have Ronnie Lott for a mid 1st and a mid 3rd

now what if I told you you can move down in the draft and have Quincy Carter and Tony Dixon

what I am trying to say it is in reality players you are trading not picks...

sometimes being aggressive is a good thing I think this is one of those times

[visionary]

what if I said you could have Ronnie Lott for a mid 1st and a mid 3rd

now what if I told you you can move down in the draft and have Quincy Carter and Tony Dixon

what I am trying to say it is in reality players you are trading not picks...

sometimes being aggressive is a good thing I think this is one of those times

i agree with this

the problem is you are arguing with the benefit of hindsight

if you could know for sure that barron will become ronnie lott or woodson or ed reed, i would do it in a heart beat but you cant

that is the problem

aggressive can be good but it can also be bad

trading up into the top 10 is too costly anyway and is not worth it unless oyu need a QB or a LT

at least that would be my draft philosophy if i were running it

you also have to remember that a lot of this talk right now is smoke and mirrors, we dont really know if cox or barron will get picked before 14

[Gaede]

I would trade up a couple spots at most for Barron. BUT I still think he won't make or break the draft. There's so much quality rds 2-5 that I'd hate to lose a good pick.