For Those Who Want Barron

[Hostile]

I have been told he is not going to get past Seattle at 12. If the Cowboys want him, they will have to move up.

Can you imagine Barron and Thomas in the same Safety sets?

[Joshmil53]

The Seahawks already have a decent secondary, too. Gonna be fun to watch them two play.

[Woods]

Oh well.

That stinks.

I hope DeCastro is there then (though I'm really starting to wonder even if we'll pick him at 14).

[TheDallasDon]

I have been told he is not going to get past Seattle at 12. If the Cowboys want him, they will have to move up.

Can you imagine Barron and Thomas in the same Safety sets?

Who drops?

What do u think the boys will do?
Stay put, trade up or down?

[Nexx]

Lol. Have fun paying two first round contracts to both your safties

[Gaede]

I like Barron alot, but I do not want us to trade up for him.

Lots of depth in this draft and I'd prefer to let the draft come to us.

[Woods]

I like Barron alot, but I do not want us to trade up for him.

Lots of depth in this draft and I'd prefer to let the draft come to us.

Definitely.

Even with what we did in FA, we still have a couple needs and must improve the overall talent level of this team.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

I have been told he is not going to get past Seattle at 12. If the Cowboys want him, they will have to move up.

Can you imagine Barron and Thomas in the same Safety sets?

Told by whom?

GM? Scout? Admin Assistant? I don't want a name and email.... but who?

[Woods]

On a side note, I may have to bring down my expectations for Round 1 at least . . . . It really could be Brockers.

[TheCount]

Told by whom?

GM? Scout? Admin Assistant? I don't want a name and email.... but who?

Yeah this is curious considering Cam Chancellor played well for them, is cheaper and their secondary is already pretty decent.

[TheSport78]

Trade next year's 3rd to move up in front of Seattle. We need Barron.

[Bowdown27]

I'd move up to 11 to get him only 3 spots and wouldn't cost much. But question is do the cowboys really want him???

[Hostile]

Told by whom?

GM? Scout? Admin Assistant? I don't want a name and email.... but who?
Someone with the Seahawks.

By the way please take this with a grain of salt.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Someone with the Seahawks.

OK thanks.

[theogt]

Yeah this is curious consider Cam Chancellor played well for them, is cheaper and their secondary is already pretty decent.Yeah, reading a couple Seahawks forums and he doesn't really seem to be on their radar.

[M'Kevon]

Lol. Have fun paying two first round contracts to both your safties

Barron's cap numbers won't be much under the rookie cap. Seattle won't need to worry for 3 or 4 years.

[TheSport78]

I really think Barron will be there. If he gets past Seattle, he's ours.

[M'Kevon]

On a side note, I may have to bring down my expectations for Round 1 at least . . . . It really could be Brockers.

That would be . . . disappointing. :(

[Woods]

That would be . . . disappointing. :(

Yhea, but it really could be the situation.

I suppose between Poe, Coples, and Brockers that Brockers probably has the least bust potential. We know he can play the run at least and puts out effort.

If we can't trade back, I'm not really sure who we'd want at 14.

I'd take DeCastro if he's there. But I'm getting bad vibes that the organization would prefer to take an OL in a trade down or in a later round.

[theogt]

If Seattle takes Barron, that might mean that Kuechly slips to 14. I wouldn't mind that too much. But with their need at linebacker, Kuechly seems the obvious pick for them.

[CowboysLaw87]

Wasn't Kam Chancellor a Pro Bowler for them last year? It would likely cost our 3rd to move up to #11. Not sure I want to do that, but it wouldn't be upsetting either. I'd have some neutralized excitement.

[TheSport78]

I could see Seattle taking Coples.

[Deep_Freeze]

If Seattle takes Barron, that might mean that Kuechly slips to 14. I wouldn't mind that too much. But with their need at linebacker, Kuechly seems the obvious pick for them.

Well I still don't get why Seattle would pass on Kuechly, he would meet much more of a need for them than Barron.

[M'Kevon]

Yhea, but it really could be the situation.

I suppose between Poe, Coples, and Brockers that Brockers probably has the least bust potential. We know he can play the run at least and puts out effort.

If we can't trade back, I'm not really sure who we'd want at 14.

I'd take DeCastro if he's there. But I'm getting bad vibes that the organization would prefer to take an OL in a trade down or in a later round.

I'd rather Kirkpatrick, or a reach for Zeilter. Someone with potential in a position of need. I just don't see Brockers as anything more than a space eating DL, great against the run, but lacking a pass rush. We have that now.

[da_boyz_mk]

if barron going at 12 to seattle means that decastro falls to us at 14 then great

[Picksix]

They already have Thomas and Chancellor. Since Barron is such a hot name in the draft, I wonder if this is just smoke to see if someone will trade up with them or ahead of them.

[VThokie7]

I have been told he is not going to get past Seattle at 12. If the Cowboys want him, they will have to move up.

Can you imagine Barron and Thomas in the same Safety sets?

Kam Chancellor went to the pro bowl opposite Thomas, why would they spend a 1st on a safety?

Sorry not buying they'd tried to replace 97 tackles, 4 INT's, 2 FFs, and 13 PDef with the number of holes they currently have.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Lol. Have fun paying two first round contracts to both your safties

Seattle will most likely trade the pick to anyone who wants the S bad enough, and that might be Dallas.

[Deep_Freeze]

Seattle will most likely trade the pick to anyone who wants the S bad enough, and that might be Dallas.

Yeah but if we say no, then they are stuck with 3 great safeties and the rest of their team still sucks.

Makes no sense.

[MonsterD]

:pray:

[MrPhil]

Seattle will most likely trade the pick to anyone who wants the S bad enough, and that might be Dallas.

Maybe they are looking to trade down. Didn't someone say that the top tier talent in Round 1 drops off after pick #9. I think they pick at #10 so maybe their strategy is to express interest in Barron in order to gain interest in that #10 pick and/or drive the price of that pick up....just a thought.

[Wulfman]

Smokescreen, either because they really want to trade down or because they want him taken ahead of them in the hopes that a player they really want will slide to them.

[VACowboy]

They need pass rush and LBs at all positions in their 43. I think all the negative buzz surrounding Coples is BS. If he doesn't go top-ten, he won't get past Seattle.

[DFWJC]

I'd move up to 11 to get him only 3 spots and wouldn't cost much. But question is do the cowboys really want him???
Takes two to make a trade, and there are 30 other teams. So, number 11 would have to want to fall to almost exaclty our spot and would want a premium for us to move there.

I don't like the idea of trading up in a deep draft anyway, but even if we did, the odds are very slim of all the stars aligning just right.

It would require either this year's 3rd and them maybe givng us a 5th (or something like that) or our 3rd from next year and maybe our 5th this year.
Again, assuming the slim chance that they actually want to trade with us vs any of the other 30 teams....or at all.

[Tony33]

Trade next year's 3rd to move up in front of Seattle. We need Barron.

No that would be bad move, and it wouldn't happen for that price.

Just because he is the "best" safety in the draft class doesn't mean we need to mortgage the future to get him. We aren't talking about Ed Reed here.

I hope he is gone before Dallas picks, I don't want any part of a safety that high. We need help on the lines.

[Manwiththeplan]

I really like the idea of us drafting Barron, but I wouldn't move up for him or likely anyone in this draft. I think it's unlikely that Barron and DeCastro are gone w/o someone of pretty good value falling.

[TheFinisher]

Chancellor is one of the best young SS in the league, drafting Barron at 12 would be a questionable move to say the least.

[NeonDeion21]

Take this with a grain of salt: They are very high on Kuechly and I have read some reports that if he's there at #12 he would be their first choice.

[Oh_Canada]

No chance do they draft Barron.

It will be Cox, Tannehill, Kuechly maybe Coples or a trade for them.

[ddh33]

I don't buy it.

I think Barron is available at #14, and I don't think he is there for anyone else at #15.

[TheSport78]

No that would be bad move, and it wouldn't happen for that price.

Just because he is the "best" safety in the draft class doesn't mean we need to mortgage the future to get him. We aren't talking about Ed Reed here.

I hope he is gone before Dallas picks, I don't want any part of a safety that high. We need help on the lines.

It's not that simple. You draft players to fit your scheme. In Rob Ryan's defense, you need a strong secondary and that's exactly what we didn't have last year. Rob's going to blitz no matter what, and he needs aggressive, tough players who can cover. Barron fits that profile.

No chance do they draft Barron.

It will be Cox, Tannehill, Kuechly maybe Coples or a trade for them.

Agreed. I don't think Cox or Tannehill will be there, but I think they'll take a long look at Coples.

[casmith07]

I could see Seattle taking Coples.

Me too. Kam Chancellor was pretty awesome for them last year and they still have Earl Thomas.

Don't see it happening, unless they mean that someone else is prepared to trade up to 12 with Seattle if Barron is there.

I'm okay with going as high as 9 or 10 in a trade up to get Barron if need be. I would like to have a legit safety for once instead of going with the Abe Elams and Brodney Pools of the world year in and year out. Jenkins, Barron, Sensabaugh, and Carr? We'd finally have a secondary that I wouldn't worry about.

[GloryDaysRBack]

believe 50% of half the things you hear this time of year

i am not interested in moving up for barron

[casmith07]

No that would be bad move, and it wouldn't happen for that price.

Just because he is the "best" safety in the draft class doesn't mean we need to mortgage the future to get him. We aren't talking about Ed Reed here.

I hope he is gone before Dallas picks, I don't want any part of a safety that high. We need help on the lines.

Mark Barron's the best safety that's going to come out in a long time.

Since Ed Reed, there have really only been a handful of guys that have turned out to be flat out awesome, and two of them are Eric Berry and Earl Thomas, and they were in the same draft. And that's early talk for them too...we'd still need to see their careers blossom a bit more before making any final determinations.

[Fla Cowpoke]

Don't see it happening, unless they mean that someone else is prepared to trade up to 12 with Seattle if Barron is there.


This.

[baj1dallas]

Kam Chancellor went to the pro bowl opposite Thomas, why would they spend a 1st on a safety?

Sorry not buying they'd tried to replace 97 tackles, 4 INT's, 2 FFs, and 13 PDef with the number of holes they currently have.

Yeah what are they going to do just leave Chancellor on the bench? That makes very little sense to me unless they already have a trade in place.

[Tony33]

We need line help. A better pass rush makes the secondary better.

You don't trade up for a player who isn't once in a lifetime player. I don't think Barron is that kind of player.

[VThokie7]

We need line help. A better pass rush makes the secondary better.

You don't trade up for a player who isn't once in a lifetime player. I don't think Barron is that kind of player.

If that was the case you'd almost never see a trade up.

[hra8700]

I remember reading about them considering moving Chancellor to OLB a while ago.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/report-seahawks-considering-moving-kam-chancellor-to-outside-linebacker/

[Double Trouble]

I saw nothing that leads me to believe Barron is a special player. No way I'd trade up for him.

The only defenders I've seen worthy of a trade up are Claiborne and Cox, and trading up for either isn't feasible.

[VThokie7]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/report-seahawks-considering-moving-kam-chancellor-to-outside-linebacker/

Chancellor played some linebacker in college and he’s got enough size to make it seem like a possibility

Kam never played LB in college, he came in as a QB, moved to CB, and then finally moved to Safety where he found his home. Where does PFT come up with this stuff?

[28 Joker]

I wouldn't trade up to 7 or 8 to get Barron or Cox. Dallas is coming off 6-10 and 8-8 years, and they have significant needs at OL, DL, S, CB, WR, and TE. I think the Cowboys are barely ahead of the Redskins right now in the NFC East. That is no given, either. Dallas is re-building on the fly. Furthermore, the Cowboys will be fortunate to land a wildcard spot, because they are in a division with two teams (Giants and Eagles) which consistently beat them now. The Redskins are about to have a legit QB now, and Rex Grossman almost beat Dallas twice last year So, finishing ahead of Washington is not automatic.

The Cowboys have enough talent to contend in the NFC East (including Felix Jones and his 22 touches and 137 total yards, against the Giants). However, they have significant weaknesses on defense, and it will probably take more than one draft to fix the defense. Furthermore, the Giants wide receivers are flat out better than Dallas' receivers. The Eagles and Redskins have plenty of talent at WR, too. Plus, the Cowboys have a weakness at center, and that is a real bad place to have a weakness in the NFL. If Dallas doesn't draft DeCastro or Konz, that weakness will remain.

There are only 6 elite players in this draft, and Cox and Barron are not two of them. Jacksonville has the toughest pick in the draft at 7, because that is where a drop-off occurs. They have to sort through a bunch of players who are rated close together. If someone wants to move up to 7, it will probably be for a QB. ( Miami, Cleveland, Kansas City, or Seattle). If someone falls that in love with Cox or Barron or anyone else, then let them have them.

Dallas could easily upgrade an overrated, overvalued talent-base with these first round players:

Michael Brockers
David DeCastro
Courtney Upshaw
Dre Kirkpatrick
Peter Konz (possibly in the 2nd round)

Kendall Wright would be an upgrade at WR, too.

The Cowboys have some good talent, but it isn't great. Any of these players would be upgrades in talent, imo. Upshaw and Kirkpatrick would fit on the field and in the salary cap, too.

[Tony33]

Peter King did an article on Barron to the Seahawks on the 20th. Said in same article the may be moving Kam Chancellor to outside linebacker.

[mmillman]

why would seattle draft barron with Thomas and Chancellor starting?

[dwmyers]

28 Joker's analysis is pretty much spot on. There are 6 picks, which, if not top 6, are guaranteed top 10. There are 7 picks outside of the six, between those six and our pick. And in that 7, we have choices like these (CTD means CTD, should be available later):

G

David DeCastro

C

Peter Konz - CTD

R (rich set of choices here)

Quinton Coples
Andre Branch
Mercilus Whitney
Nick Perry CTD
Courtney Upshaw
Melvin Ingram
Zach Brown CTD

DT

Fletcher Cox
Michael Brokers
Devon Still - CTD
Dontari Poe (our DL coach will have to walk on water with this choice).

LB

Luke Kuechly (not our interest, but has to be someone's).

DB

Mark Barron
Stephon Gilmore
Dre Kirkpatrick

Unlikely that all these guys can fit into 7 slots, and it's generally expected that Miami will take a QB. Someone is likely to take Michael Floyd, so it's about 5 players you have to worry about. Given the relative skill levels of Reilly Reiff and Jonathan Martin, at least one of those guys should go, so that reduces the suck off of defensive players to 4.

So, a good defender will fall to us. Whether it's Cox/Barron or someone else remains to be seen.

D-

[arglebargle]

In a relatively deep draft, it doesn't make much sense to throw away decent picks to move up. Not interested in trading up for anyone, not at the usual asking prices, anyway.

By 11 or 12, you'll know whether someone's going to be available that you have pegged as worth the 14th pick. If that's iffy, start working the phones to trade down.

[Tony33]

If that was the case you'd almost never see a trade up.

Not many players are worth it and most teams aren't that one guy away. Makes no sense for Dallas.

[AmishCowboy]

Seattle will most likely trade the pick to anyone who wants the S bad enough, and that might be Dallas. Yeah,true,but I saw last week were Seattle was thinking of moving Chancellor to LB.

[Sarge]

I don't buy it.

.

Me neither.

[Wulfman]

Yeah,true,but I saw last week were Seattle was thinking of moving Chancellor to LB.

Why do that? Leave Chancellor where he's already shown he can play and take Kuechly. Just makes NO sense for Seattle to make that pick.

Of course, this is Pete Carroll we're talking about here, so you never know. :rolleyes:

[JBell523]

This has to be a smokescreen Hos.

[casmith07]

Peter King did an article on Barron to the Seahawks on the 20th. Said in same article the may be moving Kam Chancellor to outside linebacker.

That's the most hilarious thing I have heard about Mark Barron's status yet.

Kam Chancellor to OLB?

Visions of Alan Ball at FS.

[Tony33]

That's the most hilarious thing I have heard about Mark Barron's status yet.

Kam Chancellor to OLB?

Visions of Alan Ball at FS.

It is what it is.

[Beast_from_East]

Trade up for Barron?

Sorry, but the guy aint Reed or Palamalu so no way in hell I trade up for him. We got holes all over the place and we cant afford to just piss away picks like that.

Furthermore, this almost guarantees that DeCastro will be there at 14. The odds of both Barron and DeCastro both being gone and none of the other impact players falling (Cox, ect....) is not very high, somebody is going to be sitting there at 14 that is going to be a blue chip prospect.

[Zaxor]

Trade up for Barron?

Sorry, but the guy aint Reed or Palamalu so no way in hell I trade up for him. We got holes all over the place and we cant afford to just piss away picks like that.

Furthermore, this almost guarantees that DeCastro will be there at 14. The odds of both Barron and DeCastro both being gone and none of the other impact players falling (Cox, ect....) is not very high, somebody is going to be sitting there at 14 that is going to be a blue chip prospect.

from Charlie Casserly

Barron is 6-foot-1, 213 pounds and runs the 40-yard dash in the 4.5's. He is very smart; Nick Saban runs a complex defense at Alabama and Barron had no problem understanding it. He should be able to be the defensive signal caller for his NFL team. He is very athletic and has the ability to play man coverage versus tight ends, which is not common in a safety. He is also exceptional when playing zone defense. Barron has excellent instincts to break on the ball and the speed to cover a lot of ground. As a physical player and fine tackler, he often played linebacker in Alabama's nickel defense. When I evaluate Barron as a safety, I do not see anything he can't do. To me, he's a very safe pick.

[Chocolate Lab]

Sure are a lot of people in this thread who don't buy it.

[Doomsday101]

I would not mind getting Barron but would not move up to get him. Closer we get to the draft the more rumors will fly on who teams are looking at and trades. My hope Cowboys just stay put and take the BPA who can also fill a need.

[TheCount]

I would not mind getting Barron but would not move up to get him. Closer we get to the draft the more rumors will fly on who teams are looking at and trades. My hope Cowboys just stay put and take the BPA who can also fill a need.

Agreed on all points. I think it would be rather boneheaded to trade up for Barron, but that doesn't mean I don't like him.

[RS12]

No way.

[Hostile]

This has to be a smokescreen Hos.I said take it with a grain of salt when I mentioned where I heard it.

Regardless if it is or isn't, I honestly believe at this point the only way to acquire him is to trade up and I also honestly think we're thinking about it.

I would like to point out, this is not the guy I want. I am firmly in the DeCastro camp. I'm just telling you what is out there. Note as well that stuff was posted suggesting this very move and Chancellor to OLB.

In other words, I didn't pull this out of thin air. There are rumblings somewhere that this has at least been discussed.

[casmith07]

I said take it with a grain of salt when I mentioned where I heard it.

Regardless if it is or isn't, I honestly believe at this point the only way to acquire him is to trade up and I also honestly think we're thinking about it.

I would like to point out, this is not the guy I want. I am firmly in the DeCastro camp. I'm just telling you what is out there. Note as well that stuff was posted suggesting this very move and Chancellor to OLB.

In other words, I didn't pull this out of thin air. There are rumblings somewhere that this has at least been discussed.

Do you feel the same way I do, that Chancellor to OLB is a huge mistake?

[Hostile]

Do you feel the same way I do, that Chancellor to OLB is a huge mistake?I haven't even thought about it to be truthful. I can see them trading him instead. The idea of Thomas and Barron together for 10 years is not unpalatable in the current Safety drought.

[VThokie7]

I haven't even thought about it to be truthful. I can see them trading him instead. The idea of Thomas and Barron together for 10 years is not unpalatable in the current Safety drought.

If they were to trade Chancellor sign me up! Decastro and Kam > than Barron & (insert your #2 pick). IMO and not just because Kam once was a Hokie.

But there is no guarantee with a draft player, so not sure why they'd get rid of a proven player for a rookie with their other holes.

[Randy White]

Someone with the Seahawks.

By the way please take this with a grain of salt.

Just finished reading your initial post and was about to say this same thing right now. I don't believe for a second that Seattle is going DB in the 1st round. Just too big a need for a pass rusher and their defensive backfield is pretty good as it is. That's the first area Pete Carrol concentrated on when he took over, and it's his pattern too.

[Zimmy Lives]

I would not mind getting Barron but would not move up to get him. Closer we get to the draft the more rumors will fly on who teams are looking at and trades. My hope Cowboys just stay put and take the BPA who can also fill a need.

This.

I like the guy and think he can come in and start right away but I don't think safety is the best value at 14. Personally I think Dallas might consider Barron a consolation prize if: One of their true targets is gone; they decide not to move down; and, he is available at #14.

[dez_for_prez]

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[SMCowboy]

Trade up for Barron?

Sorry, but the guy aint Reed or Palamalu so no way in hell I trade up for him. We got holes all over the place and we cant afford to just piss away picks like that.

Furthermore, this almost guarantees that DeCastro will be there at 14. The odds of both Barron and DeCastro both being gone and none of the other impact players falling (Cox, ect....) is not very high, somebody is going to be sitting there at 14 that is going to be a blue chip prospect.

Sorry, but it appears that the only people who say that Barron isn't Reed or Palamalu are on this board.

The scouting reports I have seen absolutely do put Barron in that category of player.

[Wulfman]

This.

I like the guy and think he can come in and start right away but I don't think safety is the best value at 14. Personally I think Dallas might consider Barron a consolation prize if: One of their true targets is gone; they decide not to move down; and, he is available at #14.

I'll take that "consolation prize" ANY day of the week.

[Zimmy Lives]

I'll take that "consolation prize" ANY day of the week.

It would be unwise not to.

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Ehh, Barron will be there at 14. Cox and DeCastro won't.