Brockers - Another Option

[xwalker]

It seems that Brockers is going to be drafted based primarily on potential. Would his college production cause him to be drafted in the 1st round?

I say draft for potential in the later rounds.

Here is a comparison of Brockers to Akiem Hicks:

http://www.walker-texas.com/hicks.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/hicks.jpg)

[theogt]

He has the potential to be a JAG 3-4 DE. That's about it.

[InmanRoshi]

I think playing for LSU carries a lot of weight. If Billy Wynn played for LSU and Brockers played for Boise St. I think their draft positions would be completely switched.

[CowboysLaw87]

I like Brockers. He's got elite size for the 3-4 DE position, was fairly productive (but even more disruptive) as a first year starter in the SEC, has tons of room for growth while still being capable of contributing right away, and plays hard (no motor issues). We also have a huge need at the position.

He isn't my first choice... I still think I'd rather Barron or DeCastro over him... but I'm at the point where I wouldn't be upset about him at 14. Unlike Poe, I can actually see Brockers developing into what his ceiling is, or close to it.

I don't at all think it's outside the realm of possibility that he's an elite run stuffer on the edge who notches 6 sacks/year and is disruptive overall by collapsing the pocket and getting those long arms up into passing lanes. That's worth the 14th pick to me.

[ddh33]

I think playing for LSU carries a lot of weight. If Billy Wynn played for LSU and Brockers played for Boise St. I think their draft positions would be completely switched.

Probably a ton of truth in that. For instance, it has been brought up that if Brockers had played anywhere else in the country that he would have played all three downs.

I do worry that LSU D-lineman get WAY overrated though...

I have absolutely no doubt about Brockers' potential. I think a beast on the defensive line would be a huge plus for this team. I do worry that he won't be enough of a pass rusher though.

[MichaelWinicki]

Probably a ton of truth in that. For instance, it has been brought up that if Brockers had played anywhere else in the country that he would have played all three downs.

I do worry that LSU D-lineman get WAY overrated though...

I have absolutely no doubt about Brockers' potential. I think a beast on the defensive line would be a huge plus for this team. I do worry that he won't be enough of a pass rusher though.

Brockers=Spears

[theogt]

Brockers=SpearsSpears was a MUCH better prospect coming out, though, which is even worse.

[TheDallasDon]

Brockers=Spears

Brockers is bigger then Spears is now......dont know much about him other then "experts" saying he has potential, but if dallas takes him I'm sure they did there homework.

[CowboysLaw87]

Brockers=Spears

From a purely physical standpoint, Brockers > Spears as prospects coming out.

Spears: 6'4 307 33 3/8" arms
Brockers: 6'5 322 35" arms

Spears also played like 2 years more than Brockers has at this point. No telling how beastly Brockers would've been in a couple years at LSU.

[xwalker]

I added Spears for comparison. Spears agility numbers were better than Courtney Upshaw, Nick Perry, and Donta Hightower.


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[Woods]

I added Spears for comparison. Spears agility numbers were better than Courtney Upshaw, Nick Perry, and Donta Hightower.


http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg)

Can you add Geathers numbers to the above? Thanks.

[xwalker]

Can you add Geathers numbers to the above? Thanks.

Done:

http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg)

[theogt]

From a purely physical standpoint, Brockers > Spears as prospects coming out.

Spears: 6'4 307 33 3/8" arms
Brockers: 6'5 322 35" arms

Spears also played like 2 years more than Brockers has at this point. No telling how beastly Brockers would've been in a couple years at LSU.Uhh...no, I'll take that added speed/athleticism of Spears over Brockers any day for that extra 15 pounds and 1" height/arm length.

[DFWJC]

It seems that Brockers is going to be drafted based primarily on potential. Would his college production cause him to be drafted in the 1st round?

I say draft for potential in the later rounds.

Here is a comparison of Brockers to Akiem Hicks:

http://www.walker-texas.com/hicks.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/hicks.jpg)
What were their football stats?
Tackles, sacks, tackles for loss?

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Spears was a MUCH better prospect coming out, though, which is even worse.

Ditto! It will ruin this entire draft for me if Brockers is the pick at 14.

[Woods]

Done:

http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg)

X, it didn't seem to show up.

Would you mind trying it once again? Thanks.

[xwalker]

Try the direct link:

http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg

http://www.walker-texas.com/de-compare.jpg

[Chuck 54]

I've said it before...if you only look at stats, we never select DeMarcus Ware whose final year in a weak division was not impressive for stats.

Brockers is going to be a beast who changes the line of scrimmage, who commands double-teams, who plays in the backfield...for a 3-4 DL, he changes the game and improves the defense without double digit sacks or 100 tackles.

He can also move inside when we pass rush with a 4-man line.

I think fans will love Brockers when they see what he brings, and by the time he turns 23-24, he will be an absolute beast.

That said, I still think our board probably looks like this:
1. Cox
2. Barron
3. Brockers

[CowboysLaw87]

Uhh...no, I'll take that added speed/athleticism of Spears over Brockers any day for that extra 15 pounds and 1" height/arm length.

I guess I should clarify. I distinguish between "physical" and "athletic."

From a "physical standpoint" = height, weight, length, strength

From an "athletic standpoint" = speed, agility, quickness

[ThreeandOut]

I saw an interesting comparison of Brockers and Cox today reviewing their games against Alabama. Brockers was doubled-teamed 30 times in his game while Cox was only double-teamed 8 times. Brockers value lies not as much in his own stats as it is in his ability to take on the double team to allow others to make the play.

Brockers may not even be an option at 14. I've seen a couple of reports today stating that multiple teams in the top ten have interest in him.

[xwalker]

What were their football stats?
Tackles, sacks, tackles for loss?

Not sure it is relavent, but here there are:

brockers 2011/2010
tackles 54/25
tackles for loss 10/1
sacks 2/0
passes broken up 2/0
forced fumbles 1/1

hicks 2011/2010
tackles 77/29
tackles for loss 35/4
sacks 6/1
passes broken up 3/2
forced fumbles 2/2

[ejthedj]

Damn, maybe Geathers is the future.

He beats both these foos in about every category

[gimmesix]

Damn, maybe Geathers is the future.

He beats both these foos in about every category

Or maybe it shows why you have to be careful about judging players based on measurables.

[NeonDeion21]

I saw an interesting comparison of Brockers and Cox today reviewing their games against Alabama. Brockers was doubled-teamed 30 times in his game while Cox was only double-teamed 8 times. Brockers value lies not as much in his own stats as it is in his ability to take on the double team to allow others to make the play.

Brockers may not even be an option at 14. I've seen a couple of reports today stating that multiple teams in the top ten have interest in him.

I saw this mentioned on Twitter. Very interesting fact if you ask me. Brockers did a very good job at handling those double teams as well.

[JBell523]

I saw an interesting comparison of Brockers and Cox today reviewing their games against Alabama. Brockers was doubled-teamed 30 times in his game while Cox was only double-teamed 8 times. Brockers value lies not as much in his own stats as it is in his ability to take on the double team to allow others to make the play.

Brockers may not even be an option at 14. I've seen a couple of reports today stating that multiple teams in the top ten have interest in him.

Is a space eating 5-technique worth the #14 pick?

Run-stuffing 3-4 DE's aren't hard to find. 5-technique's with pass rushing ability are.