Chandler Jones

[DBOY3141]

Any thoughts on him. Seems to be climbing fast. Heard Lombardi say that he could go top 20 and has him above Upshaw and Ingram.

[Wulfman]

If he has him rated above Ingram, he's in the minority. I've seen a number of places where he is rated around the same or slightly higher than Upshaw, though.

I like the looks of him, and he's not really climbing up draft boards lately so much as the average draftnik is just now figuring out what the guys who watch film already knew...that he's a solid first-round prospect and can get enough pass-rush that he won't make it out of the round. He could go as high as #16 to the Jets, I believe.

[robert70x7]

Not now that Spencer signed the franchise tag.

[Woods]

Wait, I thought that Andre Branch was the flavor of the month?

[Wulfman]

Wait, I thought that Andre Branch was the flavor of the month?

It's flavor of the week this time of year...perhaps even flavor of the day this week...and Branch was last week's flavor.

If we draft Poe or Coples, next week's flavor will be Tutti Frutti, because we all will have gone crazy. :puke:

[Gaede]

Reminds me of a suped up Canty. He's`got tons and tons of potential

[JohnsKey19]

Some say he's the best pass rusher in the entire draft.

[Aikbach]

Some say he's the best pass rusher in the entire draft.A better question is, what does that mean? Is it a deep draft for pass rushers?

David Carr was the best quarterback in the 2002 draft, it's all relative to the supply and demand.

[JohnsKey19]

A better question is, what does that mean? Is it a deep draft for pass rushers?

David Carr was the best quarterback in the 2002 draft, it's all relative to the supply and demand.

good point. this is not a strong draft for pass rushing DEs or OLBs. So naturally on draft day a guy like this will go higher than expected.

[xwalker]

Chandler has interesting measureables. Tallest and longest arms of the OLB prospects:

http://www.walker-texas.com/2012-top-olb.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/2012-top-olb.jpg)

[Encore]

Long arms like his brother.

[jterrell]

Chandler has interesting measureables. Tallest and longest arms of the OLB prospects:

http://www.walker-texas.com/2012-top-olb.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/2012-top-olb.jpg)

but terrible performance measurables aside from vert leap.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/chandler-jones?id=2533538

question is was he held back because of his knee injury and is really a different type athlete a la anquan boldin?

on paper he is a lesser athlete than anthony spencer by a good bit.

[cowboy_ron]

It's flavor of the week this time of year...perhaps even flavor of the day this week...and Branch was last week's flavor.

If we draft Poe or Coples, next week's flavor will be Tutti Frutti, because we all will have gone crazy. :puke:
:laugh1:

[cowboysooner]

but terrible performance measurables aside from vert leap.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/chandler-jones?id=2533538

question is was he held back because of his knee injury and is really a different type athlete a la anquan boldin?

on paper he is a lesser athlete than anthony spencer by a good bit.

That's a really bad 40, but a really good 3 cone.

[JBell523]

Chandler has interesting measureables. Tallest and longest arms of the OLB prospects:

http://www.walker-texas.com/2012-top-olb.jpg (http://www.walker-texas.com/2012-top-olb.jpg)

:eek:... D-Ware's #'s are even more freaky than how I remembered em.

[dallasfaniac]

To me, he just seems stiff like he's still trying to get used to his body, he kind of lumbers around the field. But man can he bull rush. I'd see if he can put on some weight and play 3-4 DE.

[jterrell]

That's a really bad 40, but a really good 3 cone.

looking again you are correct. I was comparing him mostly to my pet cat, Ingram, who slaughtered the 3 cone, beating even Ware's number.

i still think Ingram goes top 10 and is the top pass rusher selected.

[Woods]

looking again you are correct. I was comparing him mostly to my pet cat, Ingram, who slaughtered the 3 cone, beating even Ware's number.

i still think Ingram goes top 10 and is the top pass rusher selected.

Ingram also had a very good SS. His vertical was good too.

I think I'm warming up to drafting him again. :laugh1:

[JBell523]

Ingram also had a very good SS. His vertical was good too.

I think I'm warming up to drafting him again. :laugh1:
Ingram has the best measurables out of any of the 3-4 OLB prospects besides Irvin.

And Ingram's #'s aren't far off from Irvin's despite being 20 pounds heavier. Wouldn't complain if we took him at #14, but I doubt it happens.

[dallasfaniac]

Ingram has the best measurables out of any of the 3-4 OLB prospects besides Irvin.

And Ingram's #'s aren't far off from Irvin's despite being 20 pounds heavier. Wouldn't complain if we took him at #14, but I doubt it happens.

Ingram is a Spencer clone in our system to me, he wasn't ever asked to pin his ears back but instead read and react, occupy and shed, drop back into coverage, etc. but seeing him accelerate on some of those plays is promising. Irvin is explosive but very raw and hasn't developed many pass rush moves. He's not strong enough to bull rush and just wants to stutter step his way past the OT, negating his speed. That's primarily why I don't like either of those guys in the 1st. I would rather trade down a bit and take a Mercilus or McClellin if it came to it.

[theogt]

I don't get the hype on this guy. Not particularly athletic. Not super productive. Looks like younger, trimmer Greg Ellis live. I'd never play him as a 3-4 OLB.

[JBell523]

I don't get the hype on this guy. Not particularly athletic. Not super productive. Looks like younger, trimmer Greg Ellis live. I'd never play him as a 3-4 OLB.
:laugh1: First thought that came to mind when I saw him too.

[Staxxxx]

If he has him rated above Ingram, he's in the minority. I've seen a number of places where he is rated around the same or slightly higher than Upshaw, though.

I like the looks of him, and he's not really climbing up draft boards lately so much as the average draftnik is just now figuring out what the guys who watch film already knew...that he's a solid first-round prospect and can get enough pass-rush that he won't make it out of the round. He could go as high as #16 to the Jets, I believe.Mayock has him at 9 ahead of Ingram as well.

7. Mark Barron
8. Stephon Gilmore
9. Chandler Jones
11. Fletcher Cox
13. Dontari Poe
14. Shea McClellin
18. Melvin Ingram
22. Whitney Mercilus
23. Courtney Upshaw
24. David DeCastro
25. Cordy Glenn
29. Michael Brockers
30. Vinny Curry
40. Peter Konz
41. Bruce Irvin

[Eskimo]

Mayock has him at 9 ahead of Ingram as well.

7. Mark Barron
8. Stephon Gilmore
9. Chandler Jones
11. Fletcher Cox
13. Dontari Poe
14. Shea McClellin
18. Melvin Ingram
22. Whitney Mercilus
23. Courtney Upshaw
24. David DeCastro
25. Cordy Glenn
29. Michael Brockers
30. Vinny Curry
40. Peter Konz
41. Bruce Irvin

It doesn't look like Irvin will be on the board for us at #45 if this is getting close to NFL concensus. Pass rushers keep rising as the draft approaches and he is already above our 2nd round slot on this ranking.

On the bright side, Ingram may fall to us which is good except we allegedly aren't interested in him which is bad.

Spencer signing the tag also makes first round OLB slightly less likely but so long as we haven't worked out a long-term deal it still should be on the table if the value is there.

If Barron isn't there at #14 and we don't trade down and we're not going to take an OLB it looks like it comes down to Coples or DeCastro. So it's offense versus defense, safe pick vs. bust risk and premium position versus non-premium. I hope we choose Coples and take the risk. OGs can be found anywhere in the first 3 rounds but double digit sack guys are hard to come by.

[rwalters31]

looking again you are correct. I was comparing him mostly to my pet cat, Ingram, who slaughtered the 3 cone, beating even Ware's number.

i still think Ingram goes top 10 and is the top pass rusher selected.


If this is the worst draft for pass rushers, why is everyone here hot about one in the first round? I hope the Cowboys' drafting staff is not paying attention. :)

Let's talk about a NT who pushes the center of a OL back into the QB. Best way to stop a running game is penetration into the back field. Therefore, NT is best chose on defense.

Just saying

[hra8700]

I think people are talking about him because they think he can gain another 20-25 pounds of muscle and play 3-4 DE.

[JBell523]

I think people are talking about him because they think he can gain another 20-25 pounds of muscle and play 3-4 DE.
That's like saying Dre Kirkpatrick should bulk up to be a linebacker.

Jones fits best as a 4-3 DE IMO. If you draft him as a 3-4 OLB, you better have him rushing the passer every snap.

[jterrell]

If this is the worst draft for pass rushers, why is everyone here hot about one in the first round? I hope the Cowboys' drafting staff is not paying attention. :)

Let's talk about a NT who pushes the center of a OL back into the QB. Best way to stop a running game is penetration into the back field. Therefore, NT is best chose on defense.

Just saying

I dont think this is a bad draft for pass rushers at all.
You dont have that one guy with zero question marks but you have tons of depth and quality.

Upshaw and Ingram have short arms.
Coples has motor questions.
Cox is so big he is more DT than 4-3 DE.
Perry lacks agility.
Mercilus is only an average athlete.
End of the day though these guys can all get after the passer.

JPP was raw, Sapp was a druggie, Ware had limited college production and was small... so many guys have knocks until they take the field.

Trust your scouts and if you can get a pass rusher at 14 take him and be very, very happy.