Mike Mayocks last Mock just went live

[Cajuncowboy]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/150251

Has Cowboys taking Bockers. :mad:

[SDogo]

sounds about right

[DBOY3141]

I think Charles Davis does also.

If Barron is not there, Brockers will be the pick. This draft is deep at guard and DeCastro had not proved he can play center in college or the pro's. Little risky if you ask me to have him change positions which is what a lot of folks are saying.

[CATCH17]

Brockers! Every scout loves him loll

[DCBoysfan]

I think Dallas trades not sure if they going up or down but I see Dallas moving.

[respectdatstar]

The one he did with Irvin, Faulk, Mariucci, etc had them getting Stephon Gilmore. I like that better. Irvin gave Gilmore to us, btw.

[boysfanindc]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/150251

Has Cowboys taking Bockers. :mad:

That's disappointing, I had wanted Brockers, I have never liked the way that Bockers has played and is a big reach.

[DBOY3141]

That's disappointing, I had wanted Brockers, I have never liked the way that Bockers has played and is a big reach.

Nice.:laugh2:

[CATCH17]

That's disappointing, I had wanted Brockers, I have never liked the way that Bockers has played and is a big reach.

And some scouts say he is a possible steal in the teens because next year he is potentially top 5 - 10

[respectdatstar]

I just realized that he has Barron going to KC. They already have Berry at SS. Are they going to use Barron as a FS, then?

[fanfromvirginia]

He's got us taking Brockers at 14 and DeCastro falling to 21. That would be frustrating for us DeCastroistas -- to know we could have traded down and still gotten our guy.

Oh well. The buzz is pointing toward Brockers and he is growing on me so I won't throw an official hissy fit or anything.

One and a half cheers for Brockers. Yay. :( :)

[SDogo]

And some scouts say he is a possible steal in the teens because next year he is potentially top 5 - 10

Dont waste your breath, defending Brockers in any way around these parts is a lost cause.

[theogt]

Shoot me.

[Nexx]

I just realized that he has Barron going to KC. They already have Berry at SS. Are they going to use Barron as a FS, then?

lol man talk about doing the opposite of building from the within the trenches then out. thats why they are KC.

[brooksey1]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/150251

Has Cowboys taking Bockers. :mad:


Very unlikely.

[DBOY3141]

Dont waste your breath, defending Brockers in any way around these parts is a lost cause.

Every draft is. Last year it was Smith. This year will be the same.

Brockers become's our 2nd best d-lineman and best run stuffer from day 1.

If we come back and get Zeitler in the 2nd and they think he can play center then we've beefed up both lines.

[johnnyd]

thought this was suppossed to be released at 8pm est . NFL net has been pimpin it for 2+ weeks .

[InmanRoshi]

All the people who hover around Valley Ranch kinda bring up the same names ... Brockers, Casey Hayward, Ryan Broyles.

[DFWJC]

I would not pass on Richardson or Claiborne for Blackmon. And in Cleveland's case , especially Richardson. But then by doing it that way he has them taking a RB (a good ne) at 22.

DeCastro drops all the way to 21. Cincy would be happy to get both DC and Kirkpatrick. Not bad.

[DBOY3141]

I would not pass on Richardson or Claiborne for Blackmon. And in Cleveland's case , especially Richardson.

No way I take Blackmon over Richardson.

They could trade back up with their 2nd 1st rounder and take Floyd. I'm not a Blackmon fan.

[JohnsKey19]

Anytime you add a guy with Brockers' measurables, he'll make your team better. And all scouts pretty much agree that his best football is ahead of him. There's no guessing game like there is with Poe.

[dmq]

I'm good with the pick. We need some help on the DL desperately. Maybe it signals that this team finally gets it and wants to build in the trenches. Would also be happy with Decastro.

[SDogo]

All the people who hover around Valley Ranch kinda bring up the same names ... Brockers, Casey Hayward, Ryan Broyles.


They are hot around there

[Dash28]

If Brockers is our pick I hope the scouts are right and he's a stud.

Right now, I see nothing more than using a 14th pick on a glorified two down run stuffer.

[CATCH17]

Dont waste your breath, defending Brockers in any way around these parts is a lost cause.

I just think it's funny in all honesty.


I like Decastro better myself but I value a DL more than a guard and it's going to be good to know that the Cowboys do too.



Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

[reddyuta]

I dont believe KC would pick Barron and i would rather have Gilmore than Brockers.Gilmore provides us with a safety net if we dont re-sign Jenkins.

[JohnsKey19]

All the people who hover around Valley Ranch kinda bring up the same names ... Brockers, Casey Hayward, Ryan Broyles.

That would be a nice haul. If we could also somehow add an OL with a 2nd-3rd round grade, i'd call that a strong draft class.

[SDogo]

I just think it's funny in all honesty.


I like Decastro better myself but I value a DL more than a guard and it's going to be good to know that the Cowboys do too.



Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

I agree on all accounts

[dmq]

Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

I've gone to a few Bills games and Dareus is absolutely huge.

[Ren]

Only thing worse then having Spears on your DL has to be having 2 Spears ,but hey, he might be good at something other then the run one day :bang2:

[InmanRoshi]

That would be a nice haul. If we could also somehow add an OL with a 2nd-3rd round grade, i'd call that a strong draft class.

I haven't heard one name consistently mentioned in that 2nd round range, but I imagine the Cowboys would hope one of the guards falls to #45. We know Callahan went to Wisconsin to work out those guys, and they brought Amini Silatolu in for a personal visit. Norm has mentioned something the last few days about Konz sliding. If Konz starts falling to the late 30's/early 40's it would be hard not to get on the phone and move up a few spots. Being assured a no questions asked Day 1 starter in the 2nd round is worth whatever you have to give up to move 7 or 8 spots at that point in the draft.

[dallasfaniac]

Brockers' measurables

Which ones?

[DFWJC]

wow
Casserly has DeCastro going 29th.

Also, everyone is now locking in Miami with Tannehill. I still says it's 50-50. I guess we should hope they take him though.

[texbumthelife]

I whole-heartedly believe that if Gilmore is there the 'Boys sprint to the podium with his name.

[texbumthelife]

If Brockers is our pick I hope the scouts are right and he's a stud.

Right now, I see nothing more than using a 14th pick on a glorified two down run stuffer.

I don't want Brockers but I don't get this sentiment. Brockers would definitely slide in to DT in our four-down nickle and dime sets.Brockers next to Rat could be ridiculous.

[Hoofbite]

Every draft is. Last year it was Smith. This year will be the same.

Brockers become's our 2nd best d-lineman and best run stuffer from day 1.

If we come back and get Zeitler in the 2nd and they think he can play center then we've beefed up both lines.

The reason Dallas would pick him is because they have nobody else.

Being the best when there's literally nobody else in the competition isn't some grand achievement.

[Corleone]

Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

What reasoning is that? Just wondering for my information.

I like Brockers and was really high on him a month ago until everyone made him sound so risky and a bad pick at 14 so I'd like to reinforce my previous thoughts on him.

[Hoofbite]

wow
Casserly has DeCastro going 29th.

Also, everyone is now locking in Miami with Tannehill. I still says it's 50-50. I guess we should hope they take him though.

If DeCastro drops to the late 20s, I hope Dallas moves up.

[SDogo]

The reason Dallas would pick him is because they have nobody else.

Being the best when there's literally nobody else in the competition isn't some grand achievement.

It would be the pick because they have him that high on the draft board, teams are not forced to settle for anyone. That's why they put together a draft board.

The hate for Brockers is making people lose their ability to form rational thoughts.

Being objective is the only way to survive the draft with out driving yourself crazy and putting your blood pressure into another atmosphere.

[Cajuncowboy]

If DeCastro drops to the late 20s, I hope Dallas moves up.

Me too but I can't see how that happens.

[DFWJC]

The reason Dallas would pick him is because they have nobody else.

Being the best when there's literally nobody else in the competition isn't some grand achievement.
No offense Hoof, but you don't know that. None of us have seen their board.

[Zimmy Lives]

I don't want Brockers but I don't get this sentiment. Brockers would definitely slide in to DT in our four-down nickle and dime sets.Brockers next to Rat could be ridiculous.

I'm okay with Brockers. My only concern is that Dallas has not been able to coach d-linemen on the finer points of pass rushing. He may have the talent to be a good pass rusher but can the coaches teach him those skills?

[dallasfaniac]

Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

If they had the same college production, measurables and highlights, sure but Dareus clearly outperformed him in all areas. As unfair as it is with the LSU comparisons, Marcus Spears clearly outperformed him as well and hasn't lived up to expectations. Comparing on his own team, I'd often been more impressed with Bennie Logan than Brockers. I just see Brockers at 14 a waste.

[CATCH17]

Me too but I can't see how that happens.

Because he's a guard maybe?

[CATCH17]

If they had the same college production, measurables and highlights, sure but Dareus clearly outperformed him in all areas. As unfair as it is with the LSU comparisons, Marcus Spears clearly outperformed him as well and hasn't lived up to expectations. Comparing on his own team, I'd often been more impressed with Bennie Logan than Brockers. I just see Brockers at 14 a waste.

Dareus also had a lot more tape.

Brockers played on a line that rotates guys in and out as well.

[InmanRoshi]

Being objective is the only way to survive the draft with out driving yourself crazy and putting your blood pressure into another atmosphere.

And the perspective that you don't have any control over it anyway. No matter how much you love or hate a player, it has no bearing on the decision. Might as well take it in stride.

This draft will be judged on all 7 rounds, not just #14.

[SDogo]

And the perspective that you don't have any control over it anyway. No matter how much you love or hate a player, it has no bearing on the decision. Might as well take it in stride.

This draft will be judged on all 7 rounds, not just #14.


well said...

[btcutter]

I'm okay with Brockers. My only concern is that Dallas has not been able to coach d-linemen on the finer points of pass rushing. He may have the talent to be a good pass rusher but can the coaches teach him those skills?

I don't get the love for Brockers.

Great run stuffing DE that's young with "POTENTIAL".

What our DL needs is a pass rushing DE that can also play the run. It's easier to teach defending the run as it's more of a willingness to do it but it's hard to teach pass rush. That's why every team is looking for a pass rusher every year.

I am not too keen on taking Brockers at 14.

[Cajuncowboy]

Because he's a guard maybe?

I meant trading back up.

[rwalters31]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/150251

Has Cowboys taking Bockers. :mad:

Nnnoooooooooooo!!!!

Jumps from bridge!

[SDogo]

I don't get the love for Brockers.

Great run stuffing DE that's young with "POTENTIAL".

What our DL needs is a pass rushing DE that can also play the run. It's easier to teach defending the run as it's more of a willingness to do it but it's hard to teach pass rush. That's why every team is looking for a pass rusher every year.

I am not too keen on taking Brockers at 14.


That's also why players who have the skill sets and the "POTENTIAL" to be coached and want to be coached along with the heart and determination to succeed and become better players or pass rushers are drafted higher then people sitting at home want them to be drafted.

[HoustonFrog]

My 2 cents on Brockers...put this in Barron thread

14 is tough. If a guy like Barron was there I would be beside myself but that looks more and more remote. That leaves us in a wateland of "potential" DTs, something that has almost been a cuss word in other drafts. I know people hate doing it but I'd rather trade down if there was a partner than reach on potential there.

[Bluestang]

I don't get the love for Brockers.

Great run stuffing DE that's young with "POTENTIAL".

What our DL needs is a pass rushing DE that can also play the run. It's easier to teach defending the run as it's more of a willingness to do it but it's hard to teach pass rush. That's why every team is looking for a pass rusher every year.

I am not too keen on taking Brockers at 14.


By this logic Smith would not have been drafted by us last year.

[Jaxonsdaddd]

I hope Cleveland takes Richardson at 4 and Michael Floyd isnt taken in the first 13 picks.Then the Browns send us 22 and 37 in exchange for our 14, where they take Michael Floyd.

Then we Take Shea Mcclellin at 22 and Cordy Glenn at 37 and Harrison Smith at 45.

Hey, a guy can dream.

[dallasfaniac]

Brockers played on a line that rotates guys in and out as well.

I'm tired of all these excuses for why players don't put up good stats.

"This player played so many snaps that they wore down faster."
"This player rotated too much so they didn't play enough to accumulate stats."
"This player was surrounded by terrible players so teams just focused on this player."
"This player was surrounded by too many talented players that stole the stats away from them."

Stats aside, there are players I like better at the position who can be had much later in the draft. I don't hate Brockers but at 14 I can come up with several players I like much better.

[CATCH17]

I'm tired of all these excuses for why players don't put up good stats.

"This player played so many snaps that they wore down faster."
"This player rotated too much so they didn't play enough to accumulate stats."
"This player was surrounded by terrible players so teams just focused on this player."
"This player was surrounded by too many talented players that stole the stats away from them."

Stats aside, there are players I like better at the position who can be had much later in the draft. I don't hate Brockers but at 14 I can come up with several players I like much better.

It was more of a fact than an excuse.


All I know is when I watch youtube vids of him playing against Bama that Saban and his staff definetely put an emphasis on getting him doubled.

[supercowboy8]

McShay and Kiper both have us taking Barron and I like that better than Mayock so thats what I'm going with.

[jterrell]

that one would be tough for dallas with ingram, cox, barron all gone by 14....

[supercowboy8]

does everyone have KC taking Barron, what will it take to move to 10.

[SilverStarCowboy]

By this logic 2011 1st round Rookie LT Tyron Smith would not have been drafted by us last year.

:hammer:


That's right and the same ill seated self appointed pundits are out this year on Michael Brockers.


It's Par for the course.

Get back in line for another helping of go ol' Crow pie Boys.

[stasheroo]

That's also why players who have the skill sets and the "POTENTIAL" to be coached and want to be coached along with the heart and determination to succeed and become better players or pass rushers are drafted higher then people sitting at home want them to be drafted.

'POTENTIAL' at #14 overall.

Not thanks, give me 'PRODUCTION' at #14.

And I can't just let it pass when the team makes what I feel is an obviously dumb move.

I couldn't do it in 2009 either, sue me!

;)

[btcutter]

By this logic Smith would not have been drafted by us last year.

Not really. Smith played very well at his tackle postion. The only question was can he play LT. We gotten a proven commodity at RT.

Brocker...not so much.

Also we are talking about pass rush skill sets. This isn't exactly something that can be easily taught or learned. Some guys just "have it" some never get it despite having all the "tools". That's what I worry about regarding Brocker.

If we are taking Brocker then I think might as well take Poe who has even bigger upside than Brocker. You gonna go boom or bust then go with Poe.

[btcutter]

'POTENTIAL' at #14 overall.

Not thanks, give me 'PRODUCTION' at #14.

And I can't just let it pass when the team makes what I feel is an obviously dumb move.

I couldn't do it in 2009 either, sue me!

;)

Here, here.... I hate the word "potential"...just means that he hasn't done "jack".

[jterrell]

I don't get the love for Brockers.

Great run stuffing DE that's young with "POTENTIAL".

What our DL needs is a pass rushing DE that can also play the run. It's easier to teach defending the run as it's more of a willingness to do it but it's hard to teach pass rush. That's why every team is looking for a pass rusher every year.

I am not too keen on taking Brockers at 14.

Brockers is a Texas kid who who weighs 322 pounds and carries it well. He isn't a 240 pound pass rushing demon but he bats aside OL that the 240 pound guys have to run away from.

At the next level you need guys who can win one on one match ups. Size is more important in the NFL than in college where big guys can be doubled and ran away from.

Brockers reminds a lot of scouts of Haloti Ngata who is a much better player in the NFL than he was in college. When analysts say they think Brockers won't be a pass rusher they target him with 4-6 sacks. Think about that for a second. Better pass rusher than Jason Hatcher and better run stuffer than even Kenyon Coleman. That's why there is legit interest in Brockers.

As hard as it is to admit for fans apparently our DL is where we have the least amount of true NFL talent. We have a bunch of back up caliber guys and Jay Ratliff. Brockers selection allows us to cut Coleman and rotate the DL with more size and more talent.

[DFWJC]

'POTENTIAL' at #14 overall.

Not thanks, give me 'PRODUCTION' at #14.

And I can't just let it pass when the team makes what I feel is an obviously dumb move.

I couldn't do it in 2009 either, sue me!

;)
I hear ya Stash. But potential worked pretty well at 14 for the Giants two seasons ago. I think there's a balance to be had.

[HoustonFrog]

Not really. Smith played very well at his tackle postion. The only question was can he play LT. We gotten a proven commodity at RT.

Brocker...not so much.

Also we are talking about pass rush skill sets. This isn't exactly something that can be easily taught or learned. Some guys just "have it" some never get it despite having all the "tools". That's what I worry about regarding Brocker.

If we are taking Brocker then I think might as well take Poe who has even bigger upside than Brocker. You gonna go boom or bust then go with Poe.

Another thing is I've seen multiple scout reports, including Mayocks, that mention him being better suited for a 4-3 type D. He would probably be a DE in our 3-4 or would be better suited for that.

[jterrell]

Here, here.... I hate the word "potential"...just means that he hasn't done "jack".

You mean other than start on an LSU defense that beat Bama at home, won the SEC and played for a national championship.


LOL. I love how you describe not doing jack.

[btcutter]

Brockers is a Texas kid who who weighs 322 pounds and carries it well. He isn't a 240 pound pass rushing demon but he bats aside OL that the 240 pound guys have to run away from.

At the next level you need guys who can win one on one match ups. Size is more important in the NFL than in college where big guys can be doubled and ran away from.

Brockers reminds a lot of scouts of Haloti Ngata who is a much better player in the NFL than he was in college. When analysts say they think Brockers won't be a pass rusher they target him with 4-6 sacks. Think about that for a second. Better pass rusher than Jason Hatcher and better run stuffer than even Kenyon Coleman. That's why there is legit interest in Brockers.

As hard as it is to admit for fans apparently our DL is where we have the least amount of true NFL talent. We have a bunch of back up caliber guys and Jay Ratliff. Brockers selection allows us to cut Coleman and rotate the DL with more size and more talent.

If we are going on POTENTIAL then I'll take Poe instead. I am going for broke if I am picking between two potential guys.

Poe played with nobodies while Brocker played with basically a semi pro team with talent. I think Poe's got more upside.

[jswalker1981]

If Brockers is our pick I hope the scouts are right and he's a stud.

Right now, I see nothing more than using a 14th pick on a glorified two down run stuffer.

One year ago:

Right now, I see nothing more than using a 9th pick on a glorified right tackle.

And I'm not saying you said that Dash, I'm just saying that last year there were some that didn't want to draft a guy that "wasn't even a left tackle in college" with the 9th pick. Brockers is only 21, I'll give the benefit of the doubt before I go ahead and label him a bust.

[jterrell]

Not really. Smith played very well at his tackle postion. The only question was can he play LT. We gotten a proven commodity at RT.

Brocker...not so much.

Also we are talking about pass rush skill sets. This isn't exactly something that can be easily taught or learned. Some guys just "have it" some never get it despite having all the "tools". That's what I worry about regarding Brocker.

If we are taking Brocker then I think might as well take Poe who has even bigger upside than Brocker. You gonna go boom or bust then go with Poe.

1. You don't draft RTs at 9.
2. You don't draft 21 year olds based on past performance.

Tyron was a physical freak who was better last year than in his final season in college. He will get only get better. Brockers is in that same mold. You want ot draft guys that cna play but also have upside and development ahead of them.

Brockers is immediately our best DE and best run stuffer across the DL. He will only get better. Sophomores who start at LSU are going to be high draft picks.

He isn't a sexy pick but by far a better value pick than DeCastro pr Barron IMHO.

[btcutter]

You mean other than start on an LSU defense that beat Bama at home, won the SEC and played for a national championship.


LOL. I love how you describe not doing jack.

Yeah and exactly how did Spear and Dorsey do? In fact those two STARRED when they played on those teams too.
People want to down grade Coples who has twice as much production but call him lazy but wants a guy completely based on potential just because he is young and strong? don't get it.

[honyock]

That's disappointing, I had wanted Brockers, I have never liked the way that Bockers has played and is a big reach.

Also not wild an Bockers. Rather have DeCasto, Baon, or even Gilmoe. Not sure about Kikpatick. He'd be a eal each.

[jterrell]

If we are going on POTENTIAL then I'll take Poe instead. I am going for broke if I am picking between two potential guys.

Poe played with nobodies while Brocker played with basically a semi pro team with talent. I think Poe's got more upside.

You keep making this hilariously incorrect assumption Brockers was bad on tape. He wasn't. He lived in back fields. He didn't rack up sacks but 320+ pound guys almost never do.

Brockers beat out semi-pro level players for his starting gig at LSU.

Where is all this tape of Brockers playing poorly?

[jterrell]

Yeah and exactly how did Spear and Dorsey do? In fact those two STARRED when they played on those teams too.
People want to down grade Coples who has twice as much production but call him lazy but wants a guy completely based on potential just because he is young and strong? don't get it.

Yes, they did. And each had maxed out at the college level.
Neither had any room for improvement in the pros.

Brockers has added 60 pounds in 2+ years and is only 3 years out of high school. Had Brockers stayed another year he'd be Dorsey or Spears and drafted top 10 except he'd have rare NFL measurables to match SEC dominance.

You are entitled to like or not like anyone but the specifics of your arguments are pretty weak.

Upshaw or Hightower are much more like Dorsey and Spears. Veterans on great defenses that dominated and knew the schemes like the backs of their hands but showed athleticism concerns in post-season workouts.

Brockers can be a NT or a DE here. He is that athletic and big. His best work is his most recent.

[stasheroo]

I hear ya Stash. But potential worked pretty well at 14 for the Giants two seasons ago. I think there's a balance to be had.

I wouldn't compare Brockers to JPP myself.

JPP lacked experience but showed he could get there.

Brockers has not.

[visionary]

Brockers is a Texas kid who who weighs 322 pounds and carries it well. He isn't a 240 pound pass rushing demon but he bats aside OL that the 240 pound guys have to run away from.

At the next level you need guys who can win one on one match ups. Size is more important in the NFL than in college where big guys can be doubled and ran away from.

Brockers reminds a lot of scouts of Haloti Ngata who is a much better player in the NFL than he was in college. When analysts say they think Brockers won't be a pass rusher they target him with 4-6 sacks. Think about that for a second. Better pass rusher than Jason Hatcher and better run stuffer than even Kenyon Coleman. That's why there is legit interest in Brockers.

As hard as it is to admit for fans apparently our DL is where we have the least amount of true NFL talent. We have a bunch of back up caliber guys and Jay Ratliff. Brockers selection allows us to cut Coleman and rotate the DL with more size and more talent.

great points
if he is our pick so be it

he certainly has the potential to have a significant impact on our defense

i have grown to hoping for barron only because it seems he will be very very good and there are much better DE options in rd 2 and 3 and no S options

[stasheroo]

You mean other than start on an LSU defense that beat Bama at home, won the SEC and played for a national championship.


LOL. I love how you describe not doing jack.

Again with the 'one man is an island' thinking.

Larry Allen couldn't do it by himself yesterday, but Brockers apparently won the National Championship by himself today!

:rolleyes:

[dwight]

You don't draft a player with the 14th pick due to his Potential. That is such a risk. Trade down if Barron and Cox are not there. Decastro still may be there in the late teens. He was productive in college. Atleast consider selecting him. The player I remember Dallas selecting who had potential was Bennett. Review how that ended. Dallas has to learn from their history.

[texbumthelife]

You don't draft a player with the 14th pick due to his Potential. That is such a risk. Trade down if Barron and Cox are not there. Decastro still may be there in the late teens. He was productive in college. Atleast consider selecting him. The player I remember Dallas selecting who had potential was Bennett.

Everyone is getting drafted based on potential.

[Sasquatch]

I'm not wedded to any one player in this draft and would be content with most of the names floated for the first round selection, but why would the Chiefs choose Barron? Their run defense was atrocious, they lost a starting CB, and their OL needs work as well. What's the logic here, strictly BPA?

[Zimmy Lives]

I'm not wedded to anyone player in this draft and would be content with most of the names floated for the first round selection, but why would the Chiefs choose Barron? Their run defense was atrocious, they lost a starting CB, and their OL needs work as well. What's the logic here, strictly BPA?

I'm wedded to Hightower but, alas, he will not be a Cowboy. :p:

[CATCH17]

You don't draft a player with the 14th pick due to his Potential. That is such a risk. Trade down if Barron and Cox are not there. Decastro still may be there in the late teens. He was productive in college. Atleast consider selecting him. The player I remember Dallas selecting who had potential was Bennett. Review how that ended. Dallas has to learn from their history.

They took Demarcus Ware 100% on his projected potential.


Are you guys new to the draft? 90% of it is what your potential is in a teams scheme.

[Deep_Freeze]

I'm not wedded to anyone player in this draft and would be content with most of the names floated for the first round selection, but why would the Chiefs choose Barron? Their run defense was atrocious, they lost a starting CB, and their OL needs work as well. What's the logic here, strictly BPA?

Yeah thats my thinking.

They already have Berry, they let Carr walk cause they didn't want to invest that much into CBs, why in the world would they want to put themselves in the position to have to let either Berry or Barron walk cause they don't want to invest that much in the safety position.

Just makes no sense to me at all.

[Gaede]

Brockers is a Texas kid who who weighs 322 pounds and carries it well. He isn't a 240 pound pass rushing demon but he bats aside OL that the 240 pound guys have to run away from.
...

As hard as it is to admit for fans apparently our DL is where we have the least amount of true NFL talent. We have a bunch of back up caliber guys and Jay Ratliff. Brockers selection allows us to cut Coleman and rotate the DL with more size and more talent.

Good post. I am definitely coming around on the kid.

[btcutter]

Yes, they did. And each had maxed out at the college level.
Neither had any room for improvement in the pros.

Brockers has added 60 pounds in 2+ years and is only 3 years out of high school. Had Brockers stayed another year he'd be Dorsey or Spears and drafted top 10 except he'd have rare NFL measurables to match SEC dominance.

You are entitled to like or not like anyone but the specifics of your arguments are pretty weak.

Upshaw or Hightower are much more like Dorsey and Spears. Veterans on great defenses that dominated and knew the schemes like the backs of their hands but showed athleticism concerns in post-season workouts.

Brockers can be a NT or a DE here. He is that athletic and big. His best work is his most recent.

None of us have all the info or tapes and we all like certain players.

Maybe Brockers do have higher ceiling but you are telling me that Dorsey and Spears because they are 1-2 yrs older that they MAXED out their potential is ridiculous.

Most opinons regarding Brockers is that he is a run stuffing DE and with POTENTIAL to learn pass rush. What I worrry about is that pass rushing isn't so easily learned or taught. To also say that he'll be a better passrusher than Hatcher is also stretching it a bit. Brocker hasn't proven that at all.

If we pick him I will hope that he proves me wrong and I would be estatic. I wil cheer for him to prove me wrong.

[cowboy_ron]

At this point I'll just have to trust the people that do this for a living...if they think Brockers is the right guy let's go with it and support the decision

[dwight]

They took Demarcus Ware 100% on his projected potential.


Are you guys new to the draft? 90% of it is what your potential is in a teams scheme.
Maybe I'm stating this incorrectly. I feel that you should go by college production and measurables. Brockers was only solid against the run and his combine was disappointing (even though he improved slightly at his pro day). As far as Ware, he was productive player. I didn't have any issues with his selection, but I had a problem with Spears.

[jterrell]

FWIW Brockers isn't in my top few choices for Dallas.

But those ruing are just insane. A full half the teams in the NFL(including us) had Brockers in for a private visit. He is very coveted.

As to LSU curse...
Dorsey was 6'1" and 297
Spears 6'4" and 307
Jackson 6'4" and 296

Brockers is literally a different beast at 6'5"+ and 322.

And to be clear by curse we mean guys who start for 3 or 4 years but underwhelm and are basically anthony spencer types who are solid NFL players but not sexy enough to warrant high picks.

[jterrell]

Maybe I'm stating this incorrectly. I feel that you should go by college production and measurables. Brothers was only solid against the run and his combine was disappointing (even though he improved slightly at his pro day). As far as Ware, he was productive player. I didn't have any issues with his selection, but I had a problem with Spears.

Spears was a dominate college player and had far better collegiate production than Ware. Ware was rated well below us and only rose in the weeks leading up to the draft as pass rushers tend to do. Plenty of local ruing that we didnt go shawn merriman who had great college stats and combine numbers.

Brockers combine numbers were fine. He ran a 5.36 which is slow but how many 322 pounds guy can really fly? Poe was at 4.98 and is considered otherworldy.

Draft guys that can play, period. They don't need to have played great yesterday they need to be able to play great come week 1.

[SMCowboy]

None of us have all the info or tapes and we all like certain players.

Maybe Brockers do have higher ceiling but you are telling me that Dorsey and Spears because they are 1-2 yrs older that they MAXED out their potential is ridiculous.

Most opinons regarding Brockers is that he is a run stuffing DE and with POTENTIAL to learn pass rush. What I worrry about is that pass rushing isn't so easily learned or taught. To also say that he'll be a better passrusher than Hatcher is also stretching it a bit. Brocker hasn't proven that at all.

If we pick him I will hope that he proves me wrong and I would be estatic. I wil cheer for him to prove me wrong.

The thing is though, that when you are talking INTERIOR LINEMAN that statement simply is not true. When you are dealing with INTERIOR LINEMAN, the ability to rush the passer is something that all of them have to learn to do.

Almost all interior linemen struggle to rush the passer as Sophomores.

[Gaede]

They took Demarcus Ware 100% on his projected potential.


Are you guys new to the draft? 90% of it is what your potential is in a teams scheme.

:hammer:

[InmanRoshi]

I think Brockers' offseason work with Pete Jenkins carries a lot of weight. I think Jenkins is pretty highly regarded in the NFL. If Jenkins is telling teams that Brockers quickly picks up concepts, works hard and has unique natural gifts a lot of teams are going to start salivating over what he's going to be 2-3 years down the road.

[SDogo]

I think Brockers' offseason work with Pete Jenkins carries a lot of weight. I think Jenkins is pretty highly regarded in the NFL. If Jenkins is telling teams that Brockers quickly picks up concepts, works hard and has unique natural gifts a lot of teams are going to start salivating over what he's going to be 2-3 years down the road.

Very good point!

[jterrell]

None of us have all the info or tapes and we all like certain players.

Maybe Brockers do have higher ceiling but you are telling me that Dorsey and Spears because they are 1-2 yrs older that they MAXED out their potential is ridiculous.

Most opinons regarding Brockers is that he is a run stuffing DE and with POTENTIAL to learn pass rush. What I worrry about is that pass rushing isn't so easily learned or taught. To also say that he'll be a better passrusher than Hatcher is also stretching it a bit. Brocker hasn't proven that at all.

If we pick him I will hope that he proves me wrong and I would be estatic. I wil cheer for him to prove me wrong.

I am telling you they maxed out their potential based on what we have actually seen. They haven't gotten any bigger nor have the produced marked NFL performance gains year to year.

SEC teams tend to have NFL caliber weight programs and development plans.
But every now and then a kid like Jason Witten comes out as a 21 year old with some room left to grow.

I like most of these players because this is a strong draft. Brockers would be very solid for us as would many others. We have holes and this draft has answers.

[kmd24]

Brockers combine numbers were fine. He ran a 5.36 which is slow but how many 322 pounds guy can really fly? Poe was at 4.98 and is considered otherworldy.

No, his numbers weren't fine at all. His pair of 20-yard shuttles were one of the worst in his position group and about 0.25 slower than Poe. It was reported he only did 19 reps on the bench and 21 at his pro day, which is really low for a guy who's supposed to throw OL around.

[Hoofbite]

It would be the pick because they have him that high on the draft board, teams are not forced to settle for anyone. That's why they put together a draft board.

The hate for Brockers is making people lose their ability to form rational thoughts.

Being objective is the only way to survive the draft with out driving yourself crazy and putting your blood pressure into another atmosphere.

My point was more so about the point that Dallas has next to little on the DL so almost any DL taken can be viewed towards the top of the bunch.

[Gaede]

I think Brockers' offseason work with Pete Jenkins carries a lot of weight. I think Jenkins is pretty highly regarded in the NFL. If Jenkins is telling teams that Brockers quickly picks up concepts, works hard and has unique natural gifts a lot of teams are going to start salivating over what he's going to be 2-3 years down the road.

Great point.

Work ethic are intelligence are two values that enabled Tyron Smith to succeed last year. He was raw as can be, but the team knew that he could learn and would work hard. I really didn't like Tyron last year, but was dead wrong about the guy because he had intangibles that you can't measure through a computer screen.

If Brockers also has those values, then run to the podium w/ the pick.

[big dog cowboy]

At this point I'll just have to trust the people that do this for a living...if they think Brockers is the right guy let's go with it and support the decision

At this point? Hasn't it been that way all along?

:laugh2:

[dmq]

No, his numbers weren't fine at all. His pair of 20-yard shuttles were one of the worst in his position group and about 0.25 slower than Poe. It was reported he only did 19 reps on the bench and 21 at his pro day, which is really low for a guy who's supposed to throw OL around.

Quite honestly, I saw some of the drills that Brockers ran. He looked like he was dogging it a bit. Just my opinion.

[Doomsday101]

Saw the Mock draft NFL network was doing with all the host making the selection and Irvin made the Cowboys pick and takes CB Stephon Gilmore

[burmafrd]

No, his numbers weren't fine at all. His pair of 20-yard shuttles were one of the worst in his position group and about 0.25 slower than Poe. It was reported he only did 19 reps on the bench and 21 at his pro day, which is really low for a guy who's supposed to throw OL around.

everytime they talk aobut his 40 someone needs to remind them of THESE numbers.

And as regards his size and weight; big deal.

[SMCowboy]

Maybe I'm stating this incorrectly. I feel that you should go by college production and measurables. Brockers was only solid against the run and his combine was disappointing (even though he improved slightly at his pro day). As far as Ware, he was productive player. I didn't have any issues with his selection, but I had a problem with Spears.

Here is the thing, some fans on here may not want to hear this. But while a Marcus Spears would not be a great pick at #14, he wouldn't be a bad pick at #14 and he absolutely would be a good pick at #23.

Take a look at the draft that Marcus Spears was in. Below are the 5 players taken before, and the 5 players taken after Marcus Spears:
5 Players taken before Marcus Spears
Derrick Johnson
Travis Johnson - No longer in football
David Pollack - No Longer in football
Erasmus James - No Longer in football
Alex Barron - No Longer in football

5 players taken after Marcus Spears
Matt Jones - No Longer in football
Mark Clayton
Fabian Washington - No Longer in football
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell

And if you look at the previous drafts before then, while not as many players are out of the league, you will see alot of the same, in the 10 picks after #14, you will see 1 or 2 true stars, 1 or 2 really good absolute starters, and the rest top roll players, with a hand full out of football.

While a sure fire run stuffing DE, in and of itself is not a great pick at #14 when you look back at history, it is not near as bad of a pick as people think it is. Then when you take into account the upside the a Michael Brockers has (easy top 5 pick quality of player), you have a whole different set of circumstances.

[SMCowboy]

No, his numbers weren't fine at all. His pair of 20-yard shuttles were one of the worst in his position group and about 0.25 slower than Poe. It was reported he only did 19 reps on the bench and 21 at his pro day, which is really low for a guy who's supposed to throw OL around.

His 21, or even 19 reps on the bench press is actually very good for a guy with arms as long as his.

As for his other times he significantly improved on all of them at his Pro Day....

[kmd24]

If I were just going by the pre-draft press conference, I'd say it's unlikely that Dallas would select Brockers at 14.


It's likely he fails to meet the measurables they expect from the position at that point in the draft.
It's been reported that some teams found him immature and lacking intelligence during combine interviews.
With hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars on the line, he put up terrible numbers at the combine.
Brockers definitely projects to be a starter eventually, but his conditioning and the fact that he was a 2-down player at LSU mean he might be a role player early on.


Honestly, given the choice between Brockers and Poe, I'd take Poe based on what I've read about the two leading up to the draft, and I'm not entirely sold on Poe.

[31smackdown]

The advantage of taking Brockers to me is to have a better rotation and keep Ratliff fresh for third downs. The one thing I like about Brockers is that he does a good job of knowing when to get his hand up to disrupt the throw

[cowboysooner]

Brockers has not been sliding past 15 this whole draft. If Philly does not trade up to take Cox, they are going to take Brockers. Brockers lets their undersized defensive ends to not have to worry as much about the run. He keeps their formerly craptastic linebacking corp cleaner and makes an off tackle run more difficult. Their 1 technique nearly died and their 3 technique is 31. He is Red Bryant. Plus Andy Reid loves linemen in the 1st.

[kmd24]

His 21, or even 19 reps on the bench press is actually very good for a guy with arms as long as his.


Not really. There were probably a dozen guys at the combine with 34.5" - 35.5" arm length who did many more reps than 19 and only a handful of guys (6?) did fewer than 19.

[HoustonFrog]

Saw the Mock draft NFL network was doing with all the host making the selection and Irvin made the Cowboys pick and takes CB Stephon Gilmore

I like that better than Brockers

[Doomsday101]

I like that better than Brockers

Not looking for the better of 2 evils. :laugh2:

[HoustonFrog]

Not looking for the better of 2 evils. :laugh2:

True but I'm all about trying secondary until it works. :)

[Deep_Freeze]

It's been reported that some teams found him immature and lacking intelligence during combine interviews.

Honestly, given the choice between Brockers and Poe, I'd take Poe based on what I've read about the two leading up to the draft, and I'm not entirely sold on Poe.

Yeah this is a problem that bothered me a bit, whereas it is said that Poe actually got through interviews very well.

If we are going with potential, which we would be doing with Brockers, Poe has way more upside with his ability to play NT and DE.

But the sad thing is having to talk about these two instead of a guy like Barron.

[Picksix]

'POTENTIAL' at #14 overall.

Not thanks, give me 'PRODUCTION' at #14.

And I can't just let it pass when the team makes what I feel is an obviously dumb move.

I couldn't do it in 2009 either, sue me!

;)

So then, we should draft Kellen Moore? Can't think of anyone who was more productive in college than him.

[Randy White]

I just think it's funny in all honesty. I like Decastro better myself but I value a DL more than a guard and it's going to be good to know that the Cowboys do too. Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.


Well, let me take up that cause. I have nothing against Brocker. Like just about every top 5 lineman in this draft he's been projected to go from top 5 pick overall ( including myself in one of my mocks to Tampa ) to all the way to #19 to Chicago. There's absolutely no denying his physical talents.

Having said that, here's the argument. His position on the current Cowboys defensive system doesn't call for a 3 down defender. Dallas rotates D-linemen frequently, depending on the match up and game plan, so he probably wouldn't be on the field as much as other positions. He hasn't shown he's a top flight pass rusher as an interior lineman ( ala Ratt ), something that scouts have noticed with Fletcher Cox, for example, and why Cox has rocketed into the top 10. Basically, we might be getting a player who's great against the run and " hopefully " can develop into another Richard Seymour at some point in the future. The problems with that last part are:

a) the last two LSU defensive linemen taken as top 10 picks, Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey, have been basically busts, so far, and they were taking using that same line of " the next Seymor " thinking ( more Jackson then Dorsey in that respect ). And Jackson was taken by a reputable GM: Scott Pioli. I'm fully aware that previous busts from a school does not transfer to future busts automatically, but it is something that must be looked at because systems do tend to overhype/overvalue players at times ( Penn St running backs in the past ? )

b) " stopping the run " is not as important as it used to be in the past. I'm not saying " it's not important ", just that it's not as vital as it once was due to the new league wide passing philosophy and the rules that favor QBs and receivers.

So, the way it could be looked at is that either DeCastro, or Barron, or even Kirkpatrick would represent a better value for the Cowboys because they'd not only be filling an area of need, but would be contributing more than a 3-4 DE which is what Brocker would be in Dallas.

Just putting it out there..

[TheCount]

Great point.

Work ethic are intelligence are two values that enabled Tyron Smith to succeed last year. He was raw as can be, but the team knew that he could learn and would work hard. I really didn't like Tyron last year, but was dead wrong about the guy because he had intangibles that you can't measure through a computer screen.

If Brockers also has those values, then run to the podium w/ the pick.

Well yeah, that and oddles of athletic and physical talent.

When it comes to Brockers, I look at him a lot like Terrance Cody (except of course that Cody was taken in the 2nd round, not 14th overall, which makes it much easier to stomach), he's going to need time to season before doing much of anything. The difference is that while Brockers showed up to the combine heavy and didn't perform well athletically, for some odd reason it's raising his stock instead of lowering it like it did for Cody. Figure that one out.

People see what they want to see. Jimmy Graham shows up blows up the league, you see Graham's everywhere in the draft. Egnew, Fleener, Hannah, etc. Watt shows up, now he's everywhere. Brockers, Cox, Still. It happens every year.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And some scouts say he is a possible steal in the teens because next year he is potentially top 5 - 10

And some don't. I just remember your take last year on Murray. I still cannot quite get over how completely wrong you were.

[28 Joker]

If the Cowboys draft Michael Brockers, I'm fine with it. I like him, and he's a very talented, young, gifted defensive lineman.

The team needs one, bad.

Peter Konz is still lurking. He falls to round 2 in this mock. If he falls within striking distance, I have to believe that the Cowboys will fight to trade up for him.

[CATCH17]

And some don't. I just remember your take last year on Murray. I still cannot quite get over how completely wrong you were.

And i've been so right about others like this guy right here

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191058

or this one

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218418

Just 2 of the many

All I remember about you is how much you just loooooved Tavaris Jackson.


Either way im not sold on Brockers. I haven't seen enough of him to put the CATCH17 stamp of approval on him but i've seen enough people in the know say that he is a player.

You've proved a good point though Fuzzy. Even the best, such as myself, can be wrong sometimes.

[jterrell]

Well, let me take up that cause. I have nothing against Brocker. Like just about every top 5 lineman in this draft he's been projected to go from top 5 pick overall ( including myself in one of my mocks to Tampa ) to all the way to #19 to Chicago. There's absolutely no denying his physical talents.

Having said that, here's the argument. His position on the current Cowboys defensive system doesn't call for a 3 down defender. Dallas rotates D-linemen frequently, depending on the match up and game plan, so he probably wouldn't be on the field as much as other positions. He hasn't shown he's a top flight pass rusher as an interior lineman ( ala Ratt ), something that scouts have noticed with Fletcher Cox, for example, and why Cox has rocketed into the top 10. Basically, we might be getting a player who's great against the run and " hopefully " can develop into another Richard Seymour at some point in the future. The problems with that last part are:

a) the last two LSU defensive linemen taken as top 10 picks, Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey, have been basically busts, so far, and they were taking using that same line of " the next Seymor " thinking ( more Jackson then Dorsey in that respect ). And Jackson was taken by a reputable GM: Scott Pioli. I'm fully aware that previous busts from a school does not transfer to future busts automatically, but it is something that must be looked at because systems do tend to overhype/overvalue players at times ( Penn St running backs in the past ? )

b) " stopping the run " is not as important as it used to be in the past. I'm not saying " it's not important ", just that it's not as vital as it once was due to the new league wide passing philosophy and the rules that favor QBs and receivers.

So, the way it could be looked at is that either DeCastro, or Barron, or even Kirkpatrick would represent a better value for the Cowboys because they'd not only be filling an area of need, but would be contributing more than a 3-4 DE which is what Brocker would be in Dallas.

Just putting it out there..

Good stuff.
Let me rebut.

Brockers may not be an elite pass rusher a la Fletcher but he can still "effect" the pass rush mightily.

Let me toss a name at you: Leon Lett. New DL coach and 6'6" DT who pushed the pocket and got his hands up. Only had 22 sacks for his career but boosted our pass rush. And he was a rotational guy.

Right now our run stuffers get zero push at all. They don't get double teamed or get any pressure. In fact they occasionally get left unblocked at all.

Brockers has a nice get off the line on tape and he brings 320+ pounds when he does. He plays a bit high and lacks top end speed but he gets a fairly consistently push and gets his hands up well. He is a threat to block kicks on special teams as well.

End of the day I like the guy's upside and his right now. You can play him on 3rd and 1 or 2nd and 15. He'll be pushing someone into the back field either way. He is a definitely upgrade imho over any DL we have save Ratliff and may be an upgrade over Ratliff very shortly.

Dallas needs a push up the middle to make life easier for our OLBs. When a QB is forced to move outside Ware destroys them. But if they can consistently step up in the pocket that is tough.

It is really too bad Stanford and LSU didn't play this year. An entire game of DeCastro versus Brockers would be scouting gold. Just another reason to hate our crap Bowl and BCS systems....

[Woods]

Well, let me take up that cause. I have nothing against Brocker. Like just about every top 5 lineman in this draft he's been projected to go from top 5 pick overall ( including myself in one of my mocks to Tampa ) to all the way to #19 to Chicago. There's absolutely no denying his physical talents.

Having said that, here's the argument. His position on the current Cowboys defensive system doesn't call for a 3 down defender. Dallas rotates D-linemen frequently, depending on the match up and game plan, so he probably wouldn't be on the field as much as other positions. He hasn't shown he's a top flight pass rusher as an interior lineman ( ala Ratt ), something that scouts have noticed with Fletcher Cox, for example, and why Cox has rocketed into the top 10. Basically, we might be getting a player who's great against the run and " hopefully " can develop into another Richard Seymour at some point in the future. The problems with that last part are:

a) the last two LSU defensive linemen taken as top 10 picks, Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey, have been basically busts, so far, and they were taking using that same line of " the next Seymor " thinking ( more Jackson then Dorsey in that respect ). And Jackson was taken by a reputable GM: Scott Pioli. I'm fully aware that previous busts from a school does not transfer to future busts automatically, but it is something that must be looked at because systems do tend to overhype/overvalue players at times ( Penn St running backs in the past ? )

b) " stopping the run " is not as important as it used to be in the past. I'm not saying " it's not important ", just that it's not as vital as it once was due to the new league wide passing philosophy and the rules that favor QBs and receivers.

So, the way it could be looked at is that either DeCastro, or Barron, or even Kirkpatrick would represent a better value for the Cowboys because they'd not only be filling an area of need, but would be contributing more than a 3-4 DE which is what Brocker would be in Dallas.

Just putting it out there..

I agree with a lot of your points.

My issue is that I think we can get a very good 34 DE in Round 2 or 3 who can be a solid run stuffer, power player, and help collapse the pocket.

Does that role command the use of the 14th overall pick?

Now, if the Cowboys brass believes that Brockers is significantly better than guys like Kirkpatrick, Upshaw, Ingram, Gilmore, Poe, etc., and significantly better value than a DE they can get in Round 2 and 3, then I can understand staying at 14 and making the pick.

I guess I don't yet appreciate that Brockers commands that 14th overall pick.

EDIT: But I have to admit that if teams including the Pats and Eagles are interested in this player, then I must be missing how special he is at that spot in the Draft . . . . .

[Fredd]

Mayock's list lost credibility with me as soon as I saw Richardson going #5, and Claiborne #6...I can see teams jumping up to #3 to get either one of those and Cleveland will take Richardson if he is there at #4 anyway....

[Cowboy Junkie]

Dont waste your breath, defending Brockers in any way around these parts is a lost cause.

There are some things I do like about Brockers. I just do not like his bench and lack of speed but if thats where the Cowboys go I will get on board.


I just hope he turns out better than Poe if we go with him

[InmanRoshi]

It's interesting that when JSOnline polled NFL scouts Brockers polled just slightly behind Cox among 3-4 teams, and better than Cox for 4-3 teams.

With the league close to evenly split by 4-3 and 3-4 defenses, scouts were asked to rank the players based on the scheme their team employs. There were 14 scouts representing 4-3 teams and seven from 3-4 teams.

In each poll, scouts were asked to rank the best players on a 1-to-5 basis, with five points assigned to first place and so forth. No limits were placed on the players the scouts could choose from other than players couldn't be voted for again in the D-line polls or in the linebacker polls coming Wednesday.

Here were the results of the polls.

Defensive end in a 4-3: Quinton Coples, 57 points (nine firsts); Whitney Mercilus, 35 (one first); Nick Perry, 25 (two firsts); Chandler Jones, 24 (one first); Andre Branch, 18 (one first); Melvin Ingram, 14; Vinny Curry, 12; Courtney Upshaw, 11; Bruce Irvin, five; Jared Crick, three; Tyrone Crawford and Shea McClellin two; Jack Crawford and Olivier Vernon, one.

Defensive tackle in a 4-3: Michael Brockers, 59 points (seven firsts); Fletcher Cox, 48 (five firsts); Dontari Poe, 45 (two firsts); Jerel Worthy, 16; Devon Still, 15; Kendall Reyes, 14; Brandon Thompson, four; Ingram three; Coples, Mike Martin and Derek Wolfe, two.

Defensive end in a 3-4: Cox, 21 points (three firsts); Brockers, 20 (two firsts); Coples, 17 (two firsts); Reyes, 16; Still, 12; Tyrone Crawford, seven; Jones, five; Worthy, three; Akiem Hicks and Billy Winn, two.

[Woods]

It's interesting that when JSOnline polled NFL scouts Brockers polled just slightly behind Cox among 3-4 teams, and better than Cox for 4-3 teams.

That's interesting.

I would have guessed the other way round, actually. Cox better at DT vs. Brockers for 43 teams, but Brockers possibly better than Cox as a 34 End.

[The30YardSlant]

And some scouts say he is a possible steal in the teens because next year he is potentially top 5 - 10

And just as many think he'll never do a thing at this level.

Meanwhile, you won't find a single scout that says DeCastro will be a bust. The worst thing you'll hear about him is that he'll just be "good".

[Randy White]

Good stuff.
Let me rebut.

Brockers may not be an elite pass rusher a la Fletcher but he can still "effect" the pass rush mightily.

Let me toss a name at you: Leon Lett. ..


See, THIS is why I mocked him at #5 to Tampa earlier this year. I " see " the reasons for the " football love ". I mean, the guy is a special physical speciment. I just think that he'd be a force in a 4-3 as a DT doing exactly what you described more than a 3-4 DE.

Now, if we do take him, just like with T.Smith last year, I wouldn't have a single problem with him whatsoever. I don't think the Cowboys can go wrong with him. It's just that I'd rather go with my guy.

[The30YardSlant]

Every draft is. Last year it was Smith. This year will be the same.

Brockers become's our 2nd best d-lineman and best run stuffer from day 1.

If we come back and get Zeitler in the 2nd and they think he can play center then we've beefed up both lines.

Substitute "Brockers" for "Spears" and you've got this board in April of 2005.

[Picksix]

Mayock's list lost credibility with me as soon as I saw Richardson going #5, and Claiborne #6...I can see teams jumping up to #3 to get either one of those and Cleveland will take Richardson if he is there at #4 anyway....

That would mean (trade notwithstanding), Minne would take Kalil and Cleveland would take Blackmon. Nothing unrealistic about that.

[Randy White]

I agree with a lot of your points.

My issue is that I think we can get a very good 34 DE in Round 2 or 3 who can be a solid run stuffer, power player, and help collapse the pocket.

Does that role command the use of the 14th overall pick?

Now, if the Cowboys brass believes that Brockers is significantly better than guys like Kirkpatrick, Upshaw, Ingram, Gilmore, Poe, etc., and significantly better value than a DE they can get in Round 2 and 3, then I can understand staying at 14 and making the pick.

I guess I don't yet appreciate that Brockers commands that 14th overall pick.

EDIT: But I have to admit that if teams including the Pats and Eagles are interested in this player, then I must be missing how special he is at that spot in the Draft . . . . .


Second this.

[The30YardSlant]

Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

Dareus had MUCH better film than Brockers does. Watching Brockers just makes you say "meh". He's a two down run stuffer, nothing more.

[theogt]

Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.If Brockers was as productive as Dareus and had the measurables that Dareus had, it'd be a completely different scenario. The problem is precisely that he doesn't have all that. His entire claim to fame is that some people just "see" something, with no real explanation of what that is other than "potential". That something doesn't show up in a stat sheet or a stop watch, and most of us can't "see" it when we watch him, so skepticism is through the roof.

[CATCH17]

What was Dareus's production after just his Sophomore year?

[Oh_Canada]

I think people forget Brockers is about two years younger than the majority of his peers.

Kid could end up being a monster....I would love the pick.

[SDogo]

I think people forget Brockers is about two years younger than the majority of his peers.

Kid could end up being a monster....I would love the pick.


Youngest player in the draft, just like Smith last year.

[CCBoy]

Brockers projects as probably the best 3-4 defensive end in the draft. And if Dallas can develop up Stephen Bowen as a pass rushing player, I think Brockers has a better chance of doing just the same. But he starts off at a much higher place to get it sorted. He would be welcomed by this fan.

[jterrell]

Youngest player in the draft, just like Smith last year.

Comparisons are crazy strong.

Best looking guys in briefs (to scouts who love huge fit athletes) and youngest player in draft.

Never made strongest collegiate statement but played on teams with multiple draftees and played well. Left school early.

Brockers isn't my guy per se but he is a real option and worth every bit of pick 14.

[btcutter]

Comparisons are crazy strong.

Best looking guys in briefs (to scouts who love huge fit athletes) and youngest player in draft.

Never made strongest collegiate statement but played on teams with multiple draftees and played well. Left school early.

Brockers isn't my guy per se but he is a real option and worth every bit of pick 14.

I take Poe over Brockers if we are going on Potential alone.

[jterrell]

What was Dareus's production after just his Sophomore year?


dareus had 11 career sacks... but he was a primo pass rusher i guess....

brockers had 50+ tackles last year including 10 for a loss with 2 sacks.

his final season dareus had 4.5 sacks, 33 tackles and 11 tackles for loss....


too bad dareus was so much more productive right? lol

[dwmyers]

So, if I go cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, can I go bonkers for Brockers?

http://i49.tinypic.com/j93vpv.jpg

[Gaede]

Brockers may not be an elite pass rusher a la Fletcher but he can still "effect" the pass rush mightily.

Let me toss a name at you: Leon Lett. New DL coach and 6'6" DT who pushed the pocket and got his hands up. Only had 22 sacks for his career but boosted our pass rush. And he was a rotational guy.



The idea of getting a Leon Lett makes me very happy

[Thatkidbob]

So, if I go cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, can I go bonkers for Brockers?

http://i49.tinypic.com/j93vpv.jpg

I'm going bonkers then.

I was totally against Brockers initially, but I'm coming around on the guy. I'd be happy getting him with our #1 pick.

[rwalters31]

I'm going bonkers then.

I was totally against Brockers initially, but I'm coming around on the guy. I'd be happy getting him with our #1 pick.

Don't choke on the Cocoa Puffs, and you will be bonkers if you choose Brockers at #14. :)

Vote for DeCostro and and enjoy the Cocoa Puffs.

[Tex]

I just think it's funny in all honesty.


Im curious as to how many fan on here would not want Marcel Dareus with the reasoning they are using for not wanting Brockers.

If Brockers had showed anywhere near the speed and athleticism that Dareus did I would be excited. One ran high 4.8's (Dareus) and the Brockers was over 5.35. Thats HUGE. We are not talking a tenth of a second. We are talking half a second. Not only did Brockers bomb the 40 but was at the very bottom of every single test at the combine that would exhibit speed, explosion, burst, strength etc...

Dareus was everything Brockers isnt so I find the comparison invalid.

[HoustonFrog]

What is the deal with Chandler Jones...Mayock and others have said he might be the best Defensive player in 1st round 3 years from now. So why is he going in the late teens...or is he trending up?

[cowboys2233]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/150251

Has Cowboys taking Bockers. :mad:

Yeah, but he also has Cleveland taking Blackmon over Richardson, which means he has gone off the deep end.

[Marktui]

If you watch how offensive lines slide their protection to his side on pass plays, he actually gets double teamed quite a bit. Shows the type of respect OC's have for this guy. He is very good against the run, I know we have Spears, but if you look at MB he def shows more athletiscism and has those long arms to bat passes down.

[cowboys2233]

If you watch how offensive lines slide their protection to his side on pass plays, he actually gets double teamed quite a bit. Shows the type of respect OC's have for this guy. He is very good against the run, I know we have Spears, but if you look at MB he def shows more athletiscism and has those long arms to bat passes down.

We must have been watching different video. All I saw is a guy who was constantly getting blown off the ball...by a single lineman. The only thing he has going for him is his youth but he is a total shot in the dark. This guy and Poe are total busts, IMO.

If we pick this guy, we'll have JAG on the defensive line. Yippee.