Take this for what it's worth...

[The30YardSlant]

But I'm hearing that Dallas is seriously pursuing trade up options in the draft tomorrow. They've contacted at least three teams between 6 and 12 about moving up, and at this point it would be a mild surprise if they didn't. The only thing that stops it is if the asking price is too high, but there is a specific player (I don't know who, but there is ONE) that Garrett wants bad. In addition, look for a TE to be selected in the first three rounds. Garrett really wants to move to more two receiving TE sets after the success NE had with them a year ago. If one of their guys falls to them in round two or three, TE is a top priority.

Also, and I only heard this because he is a pet of mine and I asked, but don't look for Dallas to draft Jared Crick unles he falls REALLY far. He apparently has a relatively serious but unnamed health issue identified by multiple teams during individual workouts.

Again, just passing this along.

[wittenacious]

Good inside info, Slant. WHO the guy is that the 'trade up' talk is all about is now the big question. Cox, I wonder? :confused:

And the intrigue builds ...

[jterrell]

Are you trolling us?

I ask because all this info has been posted in the forum already in the last few hours.

[SDogo]

But I'm hearing that Dallas is seriously pursuing trade up options in the draft tomorrow. They've contacted at least three teams between 6 and 12 about moving up, and at this point it would be a mild surprise if they didn't. The only thing that stops it is if the asking price is too high, but there is a specific player (I don't know who, but there is ONE) that Garrett wants bad. In addition, look for a TE to be selected in the first three rounds. Garrett really wants to move to more two receiving TE sets after the success NE had with them a year ago. If one of their guys falls to them in round two or three, TE is a top priority.

Also, and I only heard this because he is a pet of mine and I asked, but don't look for Dallas to draft Jared Crick unles he falls REALLY far. He apparently has a relatively serious but unnamed health issue identified by multiple teams during individual workouts.

Again, just passing this along.

Jacksonville & Miami are two of the teams (If Ed is right KC is the other)

Cox is the ONE although I think if Barron gets past 10 he will become the OTHER

Posted the issue with Crick a few minutes ago. Now being told, not by the same person it's been said he may have a degenerative muscle condition.

[jterrell]

Good inside info, Slant. WHO the guy is the 'trade up' talk is all about is big question. Cox, I wonder? And the intrigue builds.

reportedly claiborne if he makes it to 6 from one of the other threads on here.

[SDogo]

reportedly claiborne if he makes it to 6 from one of the other threads on here.

Missed that one, makes sense.

[CowboyChris]

the only rumor about trading up was for Claibourne, i doubt we are looking to move up that far, but if there is really any truth to the rumor, it has to be a small trade up to for either Barron or Cox.

[The30YardSlant]

Are you trolling us?

I ask because all this info has been posted in the forum already in the last few hours.

Not trolling, I got the info while out at a movie tonight and this was the first thing I did when I opened the "draft" board tonight.

[wittenacious]

Jacksonville & Miami are two of the teams (If Ed is right KC is the other)

Cox is the ONE although I think if Barron gets past 10 he will become the OTHER
Thanks for this, SDogo. If you're hearing Cox and/or Barron are options the Cowboys are seriously considering trading up for, this is exciting stuff ... to me, anyway.

[Cowboy from New York]

I dont know how we would move up that high and still be able to get the TE.

[Sasquatch]

reportedly claiborne if he makes it to 6 from one of the other threads on here.

Trade up for Claiborne makes sense. For Barron, who I like, not so much.

[The30YardSlant]

Jacksonville & Miami are two of the teams (If Ed is right KC is the other)

Cox is the ONE although I think if Barron gets past 10 he will become the OTHER

Posted the issue with Crick a few minutes ago. Now being told, not by the same person it's been said he may have a degenerative muscle condition.

That would make sense, because whatever his issue is it is certainly more than just his pectoral hasnt healed. It came across as something very serious and chronic.

I believe it to be Cox as well.

[theogt]

reportedly claiborne if he makes it to 6 from one of the other threads on here.That would be very intriguing. I'd be for it.

[SDogo]

Thanks for this, SDogo. If you're hearing Cox and/or Barron are options the Cowboys are seriously considering trading up for, this is exciting stuff ... to me, anyway.

Cox is in another atmosphere as far as the Cowboys are concerned from what I'm told, if he gets past St. Louis (which Ironically may be where Dallas needs to go to get him and my gut tells me the Cowboys have explored this) then I expect things to heat up.

[CATCH17]

Ah so my trade up feelings have a little more validity.

The Cowboys must want Barron bad.



Also it looks like David Decastro is an after thought.

[The30YardSlant]

Good inside info, Slant. WHO the guy is that the 'trade up' talk is all about is now the big question. Cox, I wonder? :confused:

And the intrigue builds ...

If I had to guess, the ONE guy is either Cox or Claiborne. Perhaps if Claiborne falls to 6 we make a big move and take him, but my best guess is Cox in the 8-10 range.

[GloryDaysRBack]

at this point i fully expect us to trade up

i also think claiborne is the top option

or

move up a few slots for barron

[Dash28]

Take our 3rd or more to move up?

[jterrell]

Not trolling, I got the info while out at a movie tonight and this was the first thing I did when I opened the "draft" board tonight.

kk, gotcha.
thought you may have been kidding around with us.

same data others are getting.

jerry admitted some of it in an interview/press conference.

[wittenacious]

reportedly claiborne if he makes it to 6 from one of the other threads on here.
Yeah, I guess I could see that. If Claiborne is there at 6, why not consider trading up for him? If he's as good as they say at CB ... "the consensus #1 CB in the draft" ... "Morris Claiborne is better than Patrick Peterson was coming into last year's draft" ... stuff like that.

But, might Stephon Gilmore be a target in the 7-11 range if Claiborne is gone? Or do the Cowboys zero in on Cox and/or Barron?

[The30YardSlant]

Ah so my trade up feelings have a little more validity.

The Cowboys must want Barron bad.



Also it looks like David Decastro is an after thought.

Make no mistake, if the asking price is too high and we stay at 14 the pick will be Brockers or DeCastro assuming Barron is gone.

[Gaede]

That would be very intriguing. I'd be for it.

Me too. I'd imagine they'd trade Jenkins, if they get Claiborne.

Not gonna lie, I know it's unnecessary, but I'd love to get Richardson

[rkell87]

not to derail but SDogo did I miss your final mock? I have been waiting for it for three days lol

[The30YardSlant]

Take our 3rd or more to move up?

Our first, third and fourth or our first and second for a late top ten pick. Anything below 8 or so would require more. Moving up to 6 to get Claiborne would probably cost us either our top three picks this year or a first next year.

[SDogo]

Me too. I'd imagine they'd trade Jenkins, if they get Claiborne.

Not gonna lie, I know it's unnecessary, but I'd love to get Richardson

The Cowboys would love to have him.

Make no mistake about it, Richardson is higher on the board then Cox, he may be the only player in their top 5 on offense not expected to go in the 1st two picks.

If he is sitting there at 6 I dont know if they would do it but I bet you it would start a discussion.

[Sasquatch]

Any last minute murmurings on move-down scenarios and possible targets?

[SilverStarCowboy]

Take our 3rd or more to move up?


For Cox, Claiborne or...maybe Richardson, you could understand.

[The30YardSlant]

Any last minute murmurings on move-down scenarios and possible targets?

A move down is unlikely I've been told unless an unforseen offer comes in and blows them away.

[SDogo]

not to derail but SDogo did I miss your final mock? I have been waiting for it for three days lol

lol, no. Schedule got all thrown off this week. Forced to work on my Cowboys mock and NFL Mock at the same time which is a huge mistake and I'm over thinking the NFL mock.

I will have the Cowboys mock posted by noon, NFL mock probably wont come till 2 or 3 hours before the draft. I got a local radio gig at 2:30 I have to do so it kind of puts a road block in the middle of my day.

[InmanRoshi]

Moving up for a DT on the eve of the draft. It's like Russell Maryland all over again.

[The30YardSlant]

The Cowboys would love to have him.

Make no mistake about it, Richardson is higher on the board then Cox, he may be the only player in their top 5 on offense not expected to go in the 1st two picks.

If he is sitting there at 6 I dont know if they would do it but I bet you it would start a discussion.

If Richardson makes it out of the top 5 it would come as maybe the biggest draft surprise since Aaron Rodgers free fall.

[GloryDaysRBack]

A move down is unlikely I've been told unless an unforseen offer comes in and blows them away.

did they say how far up? or what we were offering?

[SDogo]

Our first, third and fourth or our first and second for a late top ten pick. Anything below 8 or so would require more. Moving up to 6 to get Claiborne would probably cost us either our top three picks this year or a first next year.

I think that price is a little high, I'm told it's a buyers market this year emphasized by the new wage scale.

[AsthmaField]

The Cowboys would love to have him.

Make no mistake about it, Richardson is higher on the board then Cox, he may be the only player in their top 5 on offense not expected to go in the 1st two picks.

If he is sitting there at 6 I dont know if they would do it but I bet you it would start a discussion.


I'd rather stay at 14 and take the BPA and then move up into the late first/early second and take Doug Martin.

I think that guy is gonna be a player.

[rkell87]

lol, no. Schedule got all thrown off this week. Forced to work on my Cowboys mock and NFL Mock at the same time which is a huge mistake and I'm over thinking the NFL mock.

I will have the Cowboys mock posted by noon, NFL mock probably wont come till 2 or 3 hours before the draft. I got a local radio gig at 2:30 I have to do so it kind of puts a road block in the middle of my day.

cool maybe you get some last minute info that boosts your % lol, looking forward to it man

[Tejano15]

So who do they want more? Claiborne, Cox or Richardson, if you had to guess by what you have been told? I take Claiborne and solidify that secondary, but Richardson looks special.

[The30YardSlant]

did they say how far up? or what we were offering?

The way I understood it, as high as 6. I think Claiborne and Cox are really high on their board.

Based on draft charts, a move to 6 would probably take our first three picks in this draft or our first, a later pick this year and then a first next year.

[trickblue]

reportedly claiborne if he makes it to 6 from one of the other threads on here.

That would support our favorite liquor store clerk's story...

[SDogo]

I'd rather stay at 14 and take the BPA and then move up into the late first/early second and take Doug Martin.

I think that guy is gonna be a player.

I agree, love Martin. I have posted on this before but if somehow he makes it to 45 I would not be at all shocked if he is our pick.

[SDogo]

That would support our favorite liquor store clerk's story...

:lmao2: :lmao: :laugh2:

[The30YardSlant]

I think that price is a little high, I'm told it's a buyers market this year emphasized by the new wage scale.

IDK, hopping up from 14 to 6 is pretty steep in terms of draft value.

[SDogo]

cool maybe you get some last minute info that boosts your % lol, looking forward to it man

It's pretty discouraging to work so hard and so long on something and know at the end of the day if 1/4 right on anything you did good. :(

[Dash28]

That would support our favorite liquor store clerk's story...

:laugh2:

[GloryDaysRBack]

The way I understood it, as high as 6. I think Claiborne and Cox are really high on their board.

Based on draft charts, a move to 6 would probably take our first three picks in this draft or our first, a later pick this year and then a first next year.

i dont see any way in which claiborne falls to 6..i dont think hes the target..dont get me wrong..i bet theyd love to have him..and probably have a sneaky plan just in case he falls..but i highly doubt this is their main target..

so i change my mind..its not claiborne..its gotta be cox..

i think the trade has to be with miami or jacksonville

[Gaede]

i dont see any way in which claiborne falls to 6..i dont think hes the target..dont get me wrong..i bet theyd love to have him..and probably have a sneaky plan just in case he falls..but i highly doubt this is their main target..

so i change my mind..its not claiborne..its gotta be cox..

i think the trade has to be with miami or jacksonville

Agree. Seems more feasible.

[GloryDaysRBack]

i love barron more than just about anyone on here..but i would definitely pay premium for fletcher c..we need him badly

[NeonDeion21]

The way I understood it, as high as 6. I think Claiborne and Cox are really high on their board.

Based on draft charts, a move to 6 would probably take our first three picks in this draft or our first, a later pick this year and then a first next year.

Not to steal your thunder but according the chart, a move to #6 would cost us #14, #45 and first 4th rounder. We would actually be giving up about 20 points more than the #6 slot.

[SDogo]

IDK, hopping up from 14 to 6 is pretty steep in terms of draft value.

14 to 6 yes, the Cowboys would never get that done with out dipping into next years stash unless they want to sell the farm this year. That's why I don't see it happening unless the Rams offer up a early Memorial Day sale.

I think once we get to 8 the price will drop significantly.

[AsthmaField]

I agree, love Martin. I have posted on this before but if somehow he makes it to 45 I would not be at all shocked if he is our pick.


Yep, Martin at 45 would be incredibly lucky. Can't see it happening though.

If the team likes him enough, perhaps they would trade from 45 up to the top of round 2. I know people on here would **** a brick, but I'd love it. He has terrific physical skills, great intangibles and what I like best... a knack for running the football (i.e. vision and instincts).

To come away from the first couple of days with Barron/DeCastro/other in round 1 and Martin in round 2 would make me ecstatic.

[wittenacious]

Cox is in another atmosphere as far as the Cowboys are concerned from what I'm told, if he gets past St. Louis (which Ironically may be where Dallas needs to go to get him and my gut tells me the Cowboys have explored this) then I expect things to heat up.
Meaning Fletcher Cox would be the Cowboys #1, most desirable target worth moving up for, Claiborne included?

If I had to guess, the ONE guy is either Cox or Claiborne. Perhaps if Claiborne falls to 6 we make a big move and take him, but my best guess is Cox in the 8-10 range.
More support for Cox and Claiborne as possible trade-up targets. Getting either would be great, but if we get Cox in the 8-10 range. Man oh Man!!!

[Gaede]

I see Martin going around the 20s. Cleveland

[jterrell]

IDK, hopping up from 14 to 6 is pretty steep in terms of draft value.

I think any trade up is a long shot but there are apparently 6 blue chippers in this class.

If so and the guy you actually rate 1st overall fell to 6th it might be time to pull the trigger.

I think Cleveland wants badly to move down and wants to pick up a 1st next year in that QB bonanza class. Would 14 plus our original r4 and the '13 R1 do it? Not sure.

[SDogo]

Meaning Fletcher Cox would be the Cowboys #1, most desirable target worth moving up for, Claiborne included?


Sorry if I made it sound that way, I generally speak about prospects who have a good chance to make it to these given points. It would be a small miracle if Claiborne was sitting there at 6 let alone 7-10.

They would take Claiborne over Cox

[AsthmaField]

I see Martin going in the 20s. Cleveland


Yeah, I'm afraid so.

Still, I can hope...

[SDogo]

I think any trade up is a long shot but there are apparently 6 blue chippers in this class.

If so and the guy you actually rate 1st overall fell to 6th it might be time to pull the trigger.

I think Cleveland wants badly to move down and wants to pick up a 1st next year in that QB bonanza class. Would 14 plus our original r4 and the '13 R1 do it? Not sure.

I don't want to give away that #1 next year, that class is just too loaded. Besides if we totally tank this year I want a shot at one of those QB's! lol

[rkell87]

It's pretty discouraging to work so hard and so long on something and know at the end of the day if 1/4 right on anything you did good. :(

if you hit 1/4 of the time on roulette you'd be a rich man, just think of it that way

[SilverStarCowboy]

While Cox will almost certainly be available at #6 the same cannot be said fro Richardson or Caliborne, concluding that one of the two aforementioned must be the real target in this scenario, not the DT.

[NeonDeion21]

If its Garrett who is really standing on the table for this guy, I would assume its a guy who fits his system and plays on the offensive side of the ball. I would also assume its a guy he knows very well. What pro day did he attend again? Oh yeah, I remember. :ohboy:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/trent_richardson.jpg

[Chocolate Lab]

I had the same thought, Neon. Sounds crazy with Murray doing so well, but I go back to what Broaddus was saying weeks ago, that Garrett was totally in love with Ingram and Richardson is even better. I remember seeing a shot of our draft board last year and Ingram was way, way, up there.

Still... That would be stupid IMO. Backs aren't worth that much anymore. And RJ doesn't like to run the ball anyway.

[SDogo]

If its Garrett who is really standing on the table for this guy, I would assume its a guy who fits his system and plays on the offensive side of the ball. I would also assume its a guy he knows very well. What pro day did he attend again? Oh yeah, I remember. :ohboy:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/trent_richardson.jpg

Why not, went to the same school as Emmitt Smith. Played on Emmitt Smith Field, lives 4 1/2 miles from where Emmitt lived.

make it happen! lol

[wittenacious]

Sorry if I made it sound that way, I generally speak about prospects who have a good chance to make it to these given points. It would be a small miracle if Claiborne was sitting there at 6 let alone 7-10.

They would take Claiborne over Cox
LOL! I'm not so sure you made it sound that way. More likely, I just mistakenly interpreted it that way. Thanks for the clarification.

[GloryDaysRBack]

trading up for richardson would eliminate any chances this team has at doing anything in the next 3 years

[NeonDeion21]

Why not, went to the same school as Emmitt Smith. Played on Emmitt Smith Field, lives 4 1/2 miles from where Emmitt lived.

make it happen! lol

And honestly, I think that could be on the mind of Garrett and JJ. I know the value of backs isn't as high in previous years, but this kid is special. Mark him down for 1500+ yards and 10+ TD's for the next 6-8 years

[sureletsrace]

Trade our first, third, and Felix jones to st Louis for 6to take Trent Richardson. Wow. I think I would cry.

[theogt]

trading up for richardson would eliminate any chances this team has at doing anything in the next 3 yearsIt would definitely set the team back. Running backs are a dime a dozen.

[CATCH17]

trading up for richardson would eliminate any chances this team has at doing anything in the next 3 years

It ain't happening. No worries.


Don't forget that just last year we were trying to trade back up for Muhammad Wilkerson.

M sure if we're going up that high than it's for Fletcher Cox.

[GloryDaysRBack]

It ain't happening. No worries.

i wont lose any sleep over it lol..

i wouldnt even take richardson at 14..let alone move up for him

[InmanRoshi]

Throwing out another possible scenerio, it's my undersanding that the new CBA has completely changed the value of draft picks and that the old draft pick value chart everyone used to treat as gospel is completely obsolete. Could be the Cowboys, and a lot of other teams, are sending out feelers so they can attempt to establish some baseline values for picks to use in their pick valuations for the upcoming 3 days.

[Double Trouble]

If the Cowboys could move up to get Fletcher Cox (without giving up next yr's #1), he's worth sacrificing another big asset. I think he's an elite prospect.

[Picksix]

It's pretty discouraging to work so hard and so long on something and know at the end of the day if 1/4 right on anything you did good. :(

It's like Organic Chemistry...

"Never have I studied so hard, so long
To answer so much, so very wrong"

[JonJon]

If it is Claiborne we are after, any chance that Mike Jenkins is included in that trade?

[SDogo]

Throwing out another possible scenerio, it's my undersanding that the new CBA has completely changed the value of draft picks and that the old draft pick value chart everyone used to treat as gospel is completely obsolete. Could be the Cowboys, and a lot of other teams, are sending out feelers so they can attempt to establish some baseline values for picks to use in their pick valuations for the upcoming 3 days.

It's going on as we speak which is another reason for so much misinformation this year. Everyone is interested in trading right now because no one knows for sure what the value of any pick is.

[SDogo]

It's like Organic Chemistry...

"Never have I studied so hard, so long
To answer so much, so wrong"

Nice! :laugh2:

[JonJon]

I really hope it is Cox though. He is the one player that I believe can turn the Cowboys defense into an elite unit.

[honyock]

I really hope it is Cox though. He is the one player that I believe can turn the Cowboys defense into an elite unit.

That's what I'm hoping. To be honest, I'd assumed all along that Claiborne would be out of reach and so really haven't read up too much on him. So at this late point, I'd have to just take more knowledgeable folks' opinions on him.

But Cox, I'd be all for paying the trade-up price for him. Heard him interviewed on NFL Radio last night, just a great attitude, seems like the real deal as a person and player.

[JBond]

Thanks for this, SDogo. If you're hearing Cox and/or Barron are options the Cowboys are seriously considering trading up for, this is exciting stuff ... to me, anyway.

I do not doubt the validity of the information. SDogo has a rep. All I want is some oline guys that can ball. Mean men with a mission.

[GloryDaysRBack]

i dont see how landing cox is going to be feasable

i cant see dallas sacrificing anything more than a 2013 2nd rounder...

thats not going to get the job done

[CarlAllDay]

Claiborne and Carr would be sick!!!

[cowboysooner]

It's going on as we speak which is another reason for so much misinformation this year. Everyone is interested in trading right now because no one knows for sure what the value of any pick is.


The higher picks should be worth more than the old trade chart because the salaries of the players are so much less than they used to be. However, for a few positions the players may be considerably cheaper after 10 as explained in Peter King's column.

I think more teams are throwing out the chart b/c they rightly feel the old chart overvalued 1st rounders when compared to 2nd and 3rd rounders. That has nothing to do with the CBA.

[SDogo]

I think more teams are throwing out the chart b/c they rightly feel the old chart overvalued 1st rounders when compared to 2nd and 3rd rounders. That has nothing to do with the CBA.


I believe your going to see a vast difference between the old chart and the trades that actually go down this year. It's going to be interesting to see who does the work to come up with the first re-write.

[The Dallas1575]

this is acording to a liquor store clerk I know. On Jenkins latest visit by the store, he told him "Claiborne" is the reason he won't be resigned... :laugh2:

[AsthmaField]

The higher picks should be worth more than the old trade chart because the salaries of the players are so much less than they used to be.

I agree. Seems like with the smaller payday's for the top 10 players, it would take more to move up into the top 10 picks. IOW, it would take more to get the top 10 teams to trade down because they stand to lose less money on any mistake made on a player.

In the past, I heard that teams were wanting to move down because of the sheer size of the contracts they had to hand out to the top guys.

[wittenacious]

I do not doubt the validity of the information. SDogo has a rep. All I want is some oline guys that can ball. Mean men with a mission.
I love that! I'll take those Triple-M types whenever/ wherever we can get them, as long as they can ball and stay out of trouble off the field. And, like you, I hope our O-line gets their fair share as well.

[cowboysooner]

I believe your going to see a vast difference between the old chart and the trades that actually go down this year. It's going to be interesting to see who does the work to come up with the first re-write.

I'm certain that several of the teams have done this and are keeping the information proprietary for as long as possible. It's obvious the Patriots have by their behavior of trading a pick in the late 1st for a late 2nd plus next year's 1st.

The other obvious one is trading for next year's picks. The teams quite stupidly treat that as a full round ahead in value while using a trade chart with extraordinarily cheap drops in relative value by round. Those 2 ideas are incongruent.

[QT]

Moving up for a DT on the eve of the draft. It's like Russell Maryland all over again.

Actually, they traded up to get a chance to draft Rocket Ishmail. Rocket jumped ship to the CFL right after the trade up. I remember that draft like yesterday. I was pretty mad when Rocket decided to go to the CFL.

[danielofthesaints]

It's like Organic Chemistry...

"Never have I studied so hard, so long
To answer so much, so very wrong"

Organic Chemistry is easy :cool:

[silverbear]

That would support our favorite liquor store clerk's story...


Mock not the liquor store clerk... nobody ever lies to a liquor store clerk, at least not once they hit 21...

[RS12]

Love Claiborne would move up for him or Cox.

[a_minimalist]

I hope it's Barron they are willing to trade up for. As I said before, I like interceptions more than sacks.

Claiborne and Richardson would be a dream come true and IMO are unrealistic expectations. Never gonna happen.

[Wulfman]

I agree. Seems like with the smaller payday's for the top 10 players, it would take more to move up into the top 10 picks. IOW, it would take more to get the top 10 teams to trade down because they stand to lose less money on any mistake made on a player.

In the past, I heard that teams were wanting to move down because of the sheer size of the contracts they had to hand out to the top guys.

I agree. I think it's easier to take a "less desirable" position or a risky player in the top 10 simply because you don't have to guarantee him the massive money you did previously. It's not like we're going to have a Heath Shuler taken and paid handsomely for not offering more than Gus Frerotte did in his career anymore (sorry for the comparison, but I lived in northern VA at the time). You pick the player and if he doesn't work out, you jettison him and take another with a lesser hit to the cap.

I think safeties, guards, and inside linebackers are going to see their stock rise because of the change, with teams not as hesitant to take them in the top 10. Interesting, considering the players available this year (Barron, DeCastro, and Kuechly).

[Beast_from_East]

Our first, third and fourth or our first and second for a late top ten pick. Anything below 8 or so would require more. Moving up to 6 to get Claiborne would probably cost us either our top three picks this year or a first next year.

Dam, that is pricey.


Claiborne better be the next Deon freaking Sanders for that price tag.

[Beast_from_East]

i dont see any way in which claiborne falls to 6..i dont think hes the target..dont get me wrong..i bet theyd love to have him..and probably have a sneaky plan just in case he falls..but i highly doubt this is their main target..

so i change my mind..its not claiborne..its gotta be cox..

i think the trade has to be with miami or jacksonville

Agreed, I think I have changed my mind as well...........Claiborne and Richardson are top 5 locks, so its pretty obvious the target is going to be Cox.


Is Cox worth giving up our first three picks if that is the price tag???

[Beast_from_East]

I hope it's Barron they are willing to trade up for. As I said before, I like interceptions more than sacks.

Claiborne and Richardson would be a dream come true and IMO are unrealistic expectations. Never gonna happen.

You dont go from 14 to 6 to get a safety, the target is obviously Cox since Richardson and Claiborne are top 5 locks by almost every mock out there.

[a_minimalist]

You dont go from 14 to 6 to get a safety, the target is obviously Cox since Richardson and Claiborne are top 5 locks by almost every mock out there.

I don't think they really intend to move to 6 for Barron. Maybe 9 or 11.

[CowboysLaw87]

I believe your going to see a vast difference between the old chart and the trades that actually go down this year. It's going to be interesting to see who does the work to come up with the first re-write.

I agree the old chart overvalued 1st rounders. However, with the rookie wage scale, the higher picks should be even more valuable. Interestingly, the wage scale might actually have moved the current Trade Value Chart closer to accurate/fair than it was before.

[fanfromvirginia]

If they do trade up, I hope it is for Cox.

[CATCH17]

Agreed, I think I have changed my mind as well...........Claiborne and Richardson are top 5 locks, so its pretty obvious the target is going to be Cox.


Is Cox worth giving up our first three picks if that is the price tag???

If he can create pressure than yeah it's probably worth it.

We are in desperate need of pass rushers.

[HoustonFrog]

#Cowboys have had conversations with the #Chiefs about a potential trade up, and #Chargers about moving down: is.gd/QUf1VW

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[InmanRoshi]

I agree the old chart overvalued 1st rounders. However, with the rookie wage scale, the higher picks should be even more valuable. Interestingly, the wage scale might actually have moved the current Trade Value Chart closer to accurate/fair than it was before.

It's more complicated than that. Teams now have only 4 years of control of a player in his rookie contract with a standard option for the 5th year. And the amount of the tender for the 5th year depends on where the player is drafted and what position he plays.

[Deep_Freeze]

If he can create pressure than yeah it's probably worth it.

We are in desperate need of pass rushers.

Yeah, him and his 8.5 career sacks just screams pass rusher.

There is noway we should sacrifice that much for Cox, unless he falls quite a bit.

[CATCH17]

I had the same thought, Neon. Sounds crazy with Murray doing so well, but I go back to what Broaddus was saying weeks ago, that Garrett was totally in love with Ingram and Richardson is even better. I remember seeing a shot of our draft board last year and Ingram was way, way, up there.

Still... That would be stupid IMO. Backs aren't worth that much anymore. And RJ doesn't like to run the ball anyway.



They were in love with Wilkerson last year too and Fletcher Cox is better than him.

I think Fletcher is the guy they are targeting in a trade up.

I think they would gut their draft for a pass rusher but not a RB or Safety.

[SMCowboy]

I agree the old chart overvalued 1st rounders. However, with the rookie wage scale, the higher picks should be even more valuable. Interestingly, the wage scale might actually have moved the current Trade Value Chart closer to accurate/fair than it was before.

Where there will likely be a huge change in the trade value of picks, is with the picks in the 7, 8, and 9 area. Because the difference in cost to lock up your player for the 5th year between if he was choose at #9, or #11, could be $3 or $4 million dollars....

The rookie wage scale did probably make the top picks even more valuable, but it also made the top few picks after #10 very valuable as well, because it can be $3 or $4 million dollars cheaper to lock up your player for a 5th year.

[visionary]

if the cowboys truly mortgage the farm (1/2/3 this year or firstr next year) to trade up for claiborne or cox then they are truly idiots of the highest order

dont get cute in rd 1, there will be very very good options at 14

jerry cant help himself

[Hostile]

if the cowboys truly mortgage the farm (1/2/3 this year or firstr next year) to trade up for claiborne or cox then they are truly idiots of the highest order

dont get cute in rd 1, there will be very very good options at 14

jerry cant help himselfThey won't pay those prices. I highly doubt it is for Claiborne, and they aren't idiots of the highest order.

[casmith07]

That would be very intriguing. I'd be for it.

If Claiborne somehow falls (NFL Network's mock draft with Mike Irvin and the guys had Claiborne falling to Arizona at #13) and we are able to move up for him I would have an accident in my pants, from both ends.

[visionary]

They won't pay those prices. I highly doubt it is for Claiborne, and they aren't idiots of the highest order.

from your lips to gods ears
let it be so

i am just talking about all the 'inside info' indicating that is what they are looking to do

[CATCH17]

if the cowboys truly mortgage the farm (1/2/3 this year or firstr next year) to trade up for claiborne or cox then they are truly idiots of the highest order

dont get cute in rd 1, there will be very very good options at 14

jerry cant help himself

If there is a guy that you just have to have than im all for trading up to get your guy.


Would you trade up for guys like JPP if you know what you know now?

If you think Fletcher Cox is the next JPP than you go up and get him.

If you think Mark Barron is a team leader / field general for the next 10 years than you go up and get him.

[DFWJC]

Well, they Jerry siad pretty clearly yesterday that if the value was right that a trade up (or down) was possible.

The obvious (but less likely) trade-up scenario is if one of the elite 5 (some say 6 ) players drops into striking range. If someone happens to move into the top 6 to reach for Tannehill, for example, and then 1-2 other players are taken that aren't graded as highly by Dallas, then all of a sudden they have a shot at someone they thought there was no shot at. Claiborne or even Richardson, for example.

The other would be a small trade up just to get someone that they feel is a tier above what they could get at 14. It would have to be someone that they like much more or it's not worth it. We don't know, but maybe Cox, for example.

You never know how different teams value these guys.

[SMCowboy]

I don't think that Claiborne falling to #7 is completely unrealistic.

While I certainly do not understand it, I have heard a few different times on NFL.com that there are some teams that have Gilmore ranked higher than Claiborne.

And given that Claiborne has pretty much been a man to man CB his whole career, I could conceivably see how a team that mostly plays zone coverage could like Gilmore more than Claiborne.

[CATCH17]

I don't think that Claiborne falling to #7 is completely unrealistic.

While I certainly do not understand it, I have heard a few different times on NFL.com that there are some teams that have Gilmore ranked higher than Claiborne.

And given that Claiborne has pretty much been a man to man CB his whole career, I could conceivably see how a team that mostly plays zone coverage could like Gilmore more than Claiborne.

I can see why teams would like Gilmore but not better than Claiborne.

Claiborne is just a matchup nightmare for any type of receiver because of his height, size, and long arms.

If you had Carr & Claiborne than you could man up on any team in the league with your starting corners and that is key against elite corners.

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't think that Claiborne falling to #7 is completely unrealistic.

While I certainly do not understand it, I have heard a few different times on NFL.com that there are some teams that have Gilmore ranked higher than Claiborne.

And given that Claiborne has pretty much been a man to man CB his whole career, I could conceivably see how a team that mostly plays zone coverage could like Gilmore more than Claiborne.

The cost of moving up for Claiborne bothers me more than anything else, its not like we are talking about the athleticism of a Patrick Peterson here.

He won't fall, and there is no reason for us to move up for him.

[JackWagon]

Agreed, I think I have changed my mind as well...........Claiborne and Richardson are top 5 locks, so its pretty obvious the target is going to be Cox.


Is Cox worth giving up our first three picks if that is the price tag???

Yea ... i give up our first 3 picks to gaurantee someone can rush the passer besides Ware. We can find other prospects and UDFAs to fill the other holes.

[CATCH17]

The cost of moving up for Claiborne bothers me more than anything else, its not like we are talking about the athleticism of a Patrick Peterson here.

He won't fall, and there is no reason for us to move up for him.

Maybe not the athleticism of Peterson, I don't think there has ever been a corner with Petersons overall athleticism, but Claiborne is a better corner coming out of school.

[JBell523]

If Claiborne somehow falls (NFL Network's mock draft with Mike Irvin and the guys had Claiborne falling to Arizona at #13) and we are able to move up for him I would have an accident in my pants, from both ends.

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[Chocolate Lab]

They were in love with Wilkerson last year too and Fletcher Cox is better than him.

I think Fletcher is the guy they are targeting in a trade up.

I think they would gut their draft for a pass rusher but not a RB or Safety.

Right, but they are on two different levels... If I'm reading that old board right, we had Ingram in the top ten, while those DEs were at the bottom of the first round.

Which looks like a terrible evaluation of Ingram to me. Thank Gawd we didn't trade back up for him.

But if we had Richardson above him, we could have him as high as a top-5 type guy, so if he fell a little you could see where they might think there is value there.

Personally, I seriously doubt we trade up, so this is just all idle talk anyway.

[HoustonFrog]

For what is worth, Jerry has moved our 1st pick in 75% of his 23 drafts. With that said I'd put my money on a trade down and DeCastro at this point! Just guessing.

[Deep_Freeze]

Maybe not the athleticism of Peterson, I don't think there has ever been a corner with Petersons overall athleticism, but Claiborne is a better corner coming out of school.

I can't say that at all, I would've much rather move up to take PP last year if possible but I can't say the same for Claiborne.

Morris is good, but just not special enough to move up that far and cost us that many picks when we have so many holes. Now if we are talking about a small move up to like 10-11 to get our guy, fine, but for Morris we would be looking at moving up alot higher than that to get him.

I just don't see it being worth it for our team.

[CATCH17]

Right, but they are on two different levels... If I'm reading that old board right, we had Ingram in the top ten, while those DEs were at the bottom of the first round.

Which looks like a terrible evaluation of Ingram to me.


I bet they have Richardson as the #1 overall player in the draft.


Ingram played just like Emmitt in College & Richardson has his exact same background.

[Gaede]

I bet they have Richardson as the #1 overall player in the draft.


Ingram played just like Emmitt in College & Richardson has his exact same background.

Wouldn't surprise me. I'm in the minority, but I'd love to get Richardson. He's special. I'd hate to lose a lot of picks, but Richardson is something else

[CATCH17]

Wouldn't surprise me. I'm in the minority, but I'd love to get Richardson. He's special. I'd hate to lose a lot of picks, but Richardson is something else

I'd love to have Richardson too but I just don't see the value in a runningback.


I wouldn't give up all that for whomever is the best RB in the league right now.

QB's, Receivers, OT's, DB's, and Pass Rushers are the only guys im willing to give up a lot for.

[Manwiththeplan]

If there is a guy that you just have to have than im all for trading up to get your guy.


Would you trade up for guys like JPP if you know what you know now?

If you think Fletcher Cox is the next JPP than you go up and get him.

If you think Mark Barron is a team leader / field general for the next 10 years than you go up and get him.

the problem is, you only know what you know "now." Anyone would trade up for JPP or for any other guy who produces at an All-Pro level, but you don't know.

Imagine if some team just had to have Tyson Alu Alu and traded ahead of Jacksonville to get him, all the while JPP went 5 picks later.

I'm not saying no one is worth trading up for, but if you have several prospects with similar grades and one need isn't that much more glaring, then the extra picks are worth it.

[CATCH17]

the problem is, you only know what you know "now." Anyone would trade up for JPP or for any other guy who produces at an All-Pro level, but you don't know.

Imagine if some team just had to have Tyson Alu Alu and traded ahead of Jacksonville to get him, all the while JPP went 5 picks later.

I'm not saying no one is worth trading up for, but if you have several prospects with similar grades and one need isn't that much more glaring, then the extra picks are worth it.

Thats why you gotta trust your scouting guys.

If you project Fletcher Cox as the next JPP or even Jay Ratliff than you go up and get him imo.


Dallas is in dire need of guys that can collapse the pocket. If we don't get it than we're going to be iffy on D all year.

[InmanRoshi]

I really wouldn't be all that broken hearted to give up a 3rd to move up to get the guy they want if that's Barron, because it's honestly been pretty difficult to project a good value for them at the 3rd round. Too high to take Broyles, IMHO. The buzz seems to be around Craig Hayward, but I think he'll be gone by that time. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys move down in the 2nd to reclaim that 3rd rounder if Zeitler, Sitoulou and Konz are off the board at #45, and pretty good chance they will be.

I don't think it can be stated enough how much of an improvement Barron should be over Brodney Poole. Broaddus said he broke down all of Poole's tape and said he flat out couldn't play, and it's rare for Broaddus to be that down on a Cowboys player. That's a party of two, Poole and Kevin Ogletree. He called him a 50/50 tackler (at best), no range, no instincts for the football. Keep in mind the Jets were so desperate for safeties that they gave LaRon Landry $4 million dollars after he couldn't pass a physical for the Redskins or Patriots. Poole is a guy that couldn't start for them , nor a player they had any interest in retaining. I think you're looking at another Alan Ball starting at FS. How many TDs or games would would Barron have to save with a last line of defense tackle or getting everyone lined up properly to prevent a busted coverage to be worth the midget slot WR people want to take in the 3rd round would provide?

[EGG]

It would definitely set the team back. Running backs are a dime a dozen.

especially if run blocking remains a problem. Fix the OL first and then they will have an accurate understanding of what they've already got at the skill positions.

[CashMan]

I am not understanding the trading up for Cox. It is my understanding sacks usually come from the OLB in a 3-4, so how does giving up a bunch of picks for a DL make sense?

[Manwiththeplan]

Thats why you gotta trust your scouting guys.

If you project Fletcher Cox as the next JPP or even Jay Ratliff than you go up and get him imo.


Dallas is in dire need of guys that can collapse the pocket. If we don't get it than we're going to be iffy on D all year.

yea but part of trusting your scouts is staying put when they say Barron, DeCastro and Cox all have similar grades and 1 will be there.

and FWIW, I'm a huge proponent of drafting a DE that collapses the pocket, but if the price for Fletcher Cox is too high (likely will be) there will be several guys in round 2 who can get the job done.

[Manwiththeplan]

I am not understanding the trading up for Cox. It is my understanding sacks usually come from the OLB in a 3-4, so how does giving up a bunch of picks for a DL make sense?

When all you have are edge rusher and your interior guys get stone walled, you see Ware and Spencer rush up field only to watch the QB step up into a clean pocket. Even worse, Ware or Spencer try to make an inside move, and due to the interior guys not being there, guys like Vick, Rogers or now RG III will just escape the pocket and run for a first.

Yes OLBs get the sacks, but a player like Fletcher Cox will create a lot more sacks for a lot of guys.

[Chocolate Lab]

I really wouldn't be all that broken hearted to give up a 3rd to move up to get the guy they want if that's Barron, because it's honestly been pretty difficult to project a good value for them at the 3rd round. Too high to take Broyles, IMHO. The buzz seems to be around Craig Hayward, but I think he'll be gone by that time. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys move down in the 2nd to reclaim that 3rd rounder if Zeitler, Sitoulou and Konz are off the board at #45, and pretty good chance they will be.

I don't think it can be stated enough how much of an improvement Barron should be over Brodney Poole. Broaddus said he broke down all of Poole's tape and said he flat out couldn't play, and it's rare for Broaddus to be that down on a Cowboys player. That's a party of two, Poole and Kevin Ogletree. He called him a 50/50 tackler (at best), no range, no instincts for the football. Keep in mind the Jets were so desperate for safeties that they gave LaRon Landry $4 million dollars after he couldn't pass a physical for the Redskins or Patriots. Poole is a guy that couldn't start for them , nor a player they had any interest in retaining. I think you're looking at another Alan Ball starting at FS. How many TDs or games would would Barron have to save with a last line of defense tackle or getting everyone lined up properly to prevent a busted coverage to be worth the midget slot WR people want to take in the 3rd round would provide?

That's why I think that when all is said and done, after all these tons of cyber-ink, we draft Barron. You have the obvious need, the links from the media to him, the Bama connection, the early Ryan comment that he was just looking at DBs... Too much evidence coming together there. I just hope we don't trade up for him. Or if we do that it's only a couple spots and nothing crazy.

I do hate giving away third rounders, though. Yeah, they could be Jason Williams, but they could be Jason Witten. Or at least Murray.

[CashMan]

Yes OLBs get the sacks, but a player like Fletcher Cox will create a lot more sacks for a lot of guys.


I understand that, I am not understanding trading into the top 10, specifically for a DL, I have no problem drafting one at 14, but to give up a bunch of picks to draft one seems odd. If they were trading up for a CB, I am ok with that.

[Romo 2 Austin]

If we tradeup to select Barron I will lose my mind in anger.

[Hostile]

If we tradeup to select Barron I will lose my mind in anger.Get ready.

[CATCH17]

I understand that, I am not understanding trading into the top 10, specifically for a DL, I have no problem drafting one at 14, but to give up a bunch of picks to draft one seems odd. If they were trading up for a CB, I am ok with that.


Because he is a DL that creates pressure.

Pressure has never been more important in the NFL than it is now.


Thats why a guy like Bruce Irvin is being projected so high.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Get ready.

:mad: I was one of the first people on the forums to get behind the idea of drafting Barron, I was thrilled with the idea if we were able to trade back and grab him and ok with it without trading down however not thrilled. Now we are talking about trading up, he is just not that good of a prospect to make it worth it.

[Chocolate Lab]

If we tradeup to select Barron I will lose my mind in anger.
I'm pretty much with you. Even if he falls to us, I have a hard time believing he's that good. But if we trade up... Ugh.

Ben and Skin just said Werder is reporting that we don't think Barron will be there at 14, though, so if we really like him that much it looks like we will have to move up. I just hope we don't get suckered too bad if we do.

BTW, what happened to all the talk of every leak being plugged at Valley Ranch? There's as much media sourcing as ever this year.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'm pretty much with you. Even if he falls to us, I have a hard time believing he's that good. But if we trade up... Ugh.

Ben and Skin just said Werder is reporting that we don't think Barron will be there at 14, though, so if we really like him that much it looks like we will have to move up. I just hope we don't get suckered too bad if we do.

I am ok with him at 14 because we have had such a long lasting need at safety and if Barron can live up to the Adrian Wilson comparisons it becomes worth the selection, however trading up for him does not seem worth it.

[JBell523]

That's why I think that when all is said and done, after all these tons of cyber-ink, we draft Barron. You have the obvious need, the links from the media to him, the Bama connection, the early Ryan comment that he was just looking at DBs... Too much evidence coming together there. I just hope we don't trade up for him. Or if we do that it's only a couple spots and nothing crazy.

I do hate giving away third rounders, though. Yeah, they could be Jason Williams, but they could be Jason Witten. Or at least Murray.

Our 3rd rounders since 2001:

'01: Willie Blade
'02: Derek Ross
'03: Jason Witten
'04: Stephen Peterman
'05: none
'06: Jason Hatcher
'07: James Marten
'08: none
'09: Jason Williams, Robert Brewster
'10: none
'11: Demarco Murray

I'm ok with giving up a 3rd if that's what it takes to secure Barron or Cox.

[Deep_Freeze]

If we tradeup to select Barron I will lose my mind in anger.

I'll go ahead call the mental institution, just let me know what size straight jacket you wear.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'll go ahead call the mental institution, just let me know what size straight jacket you wear.
Should be a medium.

[The30YardSlant]

If we tradeup to select Barron I will lose my mind in anger.

It's a distinct possibility. I'd brace myself if I were you.

There are two realistic options (Cox, Barron) and one pipe dream (Claiborne). If we trade up for any pick between 8-12 and Cox is gone, we WILL pick Barron.

[Hostile]

I prefer DeCastro. That's no secret. But I'm going to be shocked if we don't move up to grab Barron.

[Ren]

TE a priority

Fasano, Bennett,.. :bang2:

We never learn do we?

[Jenky]

I prefer DeCastro. That's no secret. But I'm going to be shocked if we don't move up to grab Barron.

You really think it's a move up for only Barron? I think realistically, Dallas could get Cox if they get that pick from Miami.

[morasp]

Our 3rd rounders since 2001:

'01: Willie Blade
'02: Derek Ross
'03: Jason Witten
'04: Stephen Peterman
'05: none
'06: Jason Hatcher
'07: James Marten
'08: none
'09: Jason Williams, Robert Brewster
'10: none
'11: Demarco Murray

I'm ok with giving up a 3rd if that's what it takes to secure Barron or Cox.

I guess the flip side would be how did the picks do that we got for the thirds in 05 and 08?

[Idgit]

If we like him, need him, and think he'll be gone, we should-and probably will- trade up. That's the 'being aggressive' everyone likes to talk about.

As for the media reports, of course there's plenty of speculation. We're the Dallas Cowboys. But even in a possible trade up scenario, with better sources on the board than we've had previously, we still don't know who the target really could be. I think that's awesome.

[InmanRoshi]

You really think it's a move up for only Barron? I think realistically, Dallas could get Cox if they get that pick from Miami.

I think part of the appeal in moving up to #11 to snag Barron is that KC's asking price will be dirt cheap. Cowboys might give up their 3rd, but they'll get some other picks back in return or swap out picks to make a little less than a 3rd. If the Cowboys really aren't in love with anyone in the 81st pick range, the price is even more negligible.

Meanwhile, the compensation needed to move up for Cox could be too significant.

[cowboy_ron]

Cox is in another atmosphere as far as the Cowboys are concerned from what I'm told, if he gets past St. Louis (which Ironically may be where Dallas needs to go to get him and my gut tells me the Cowboys have explored this) then I expect things to heat up.
As much as I hate spending picks to move up for anything other than a franchise QB, I could actually see it for Cox...but not a CB that we could get later on.

[CashMan]

You really think it's a move up for only Barron? I think realistically, Dallas could get Cox if they get that pick from Miami.


I really think Miami is targeting a QB, I doubt they will trade.

[CowboyFan74]

Stay put and take Gilmore or Kirkpatrick at 14...

Hate trade up scenarios...

[Deep_Freeze]

Stay put and take Gilmore or Kirkpatrick at 14...

Hate trade up scenarios...

Don't know how we can justify taking a 4th CB this early, although it would be good insurance and could allow us to let Jenkins walk after the season, it doesn't help us immediately.

[Hostile]

You really think it's a move up for only Barron? I think realistically, Dallas could get Cox if they get that pick from Miami.I really do.

[johnnyd]

As much as I hate spending picks to move up for anything other than a franchise QB, I could actually see it for Cox...but not a CB that we could get later on.

i agree especially if the alternative is Brockers who i would only want in a trade down.

[Jenky]

I think part of the appeal in moving up to #11 to snag Barron is that KC's asking price will be dirt cheap. Cowboys might give up their 3rd, but they'll get some other picks back in return or swap out picks to make a little less than a 3rd. If the Cowboys really aren't in love with anyone in the 81st pick range, the price is even more negligible.

Meanwhile, the compensation needed to move up for Cox could be too significant.

I see the Bills wanting Kalil and if they don't get him, I can't trust them not to take Barron @ 10.

[CATCH17]

Don't know how we can justify taking a 4th CB this early, although it would be good insurance and could allow us to let Jenkins walk after the season, it doesn't help us immediately.

Because Jenkins is gonna get big dollars in FA if he is healthy and Claiborne will have the friendly rookie contract.

Plus he is a stud.

[HoustonFrog]

Food for thought...and I love Barron..at 14

Recent safeties drafted in top 10: Eric Berry (5), LaRon Landry (6), Michael Huff (7), Donte Whitner (8), Sean Taylor (5)...2 are on other teams now. No real busts but take of it what you will.

[Jenky]

I really think Miami is targeting a QB, I doubt they will trade.

Even if so, Tannehill will probably drop to 14. I don't see Carolina, Buffalo, KC, Seattle and Arizona taking QBs.

Don't get me wrong. 3 of those teams could take a QB if he's there, but is not like they are dying for one either.

[InmanRoshi]

I see the Bills wanting Kalil and if they don't get him, I can't trust them not to take Barron @ 10.

There is a Buffalo beat writer who covers the Bills who has predicted the last 4 Bills first round picks (which is hard to do, because they don't follow conventional wisdom). He said said today that he hears the Bills will take Kuechly if he's there at 10. He would be the perfect chase MLB in Wanstedt's 4-3, like Zach Thomas was in Miami or Ken Norton was in Dallas. Norm said he heard the same thing yesterday from a source.

[CowboyFan74]

Don't know how we can justify taking a 4th CB this early, although it would be good insurance and could allow us to let Jenkins walk after the season, it doesn't help us immediately.

BPA, yes Jenk may walk, we could use an upgrade, or we can always trade down...

[Chocolate Lab]

Food for thought...and I love Barron..at 14

Recent safeties drafted in top 10: Eric Berry (5), LaRon Landry (6), Michael Huff (7), Donte Whitner (8), Sean Taylor (5)...2 are on other teams now. No real busts but take of it what you will.

Exactly. More busts than game changers. Taylor is the only one I'd take that high, and I don't think Barron is nearly the freaky athlete that Taylor was.

[Mr Cowboy]

Barron will be there at 14! Teams are trying to get Dallas to take the bait, and I'm afraid that Jerry will fall for it.

None of the teams ahead of us need a safety......all have proven, young talented, and in some cases Pro Bowlers.

Jags- they have bigger needs than a safety at 7
Dolphins- they too have bigger needs than safety, principally QB
Panthers- will go DL
Bills- they have a pro bowler in Byrd.... a late rounder that did good. They need a LT.
Chiefs- they drafted Berry recently and paired him with another rookie, they don't need another early round safety.
Seahawks- they have two young pro-bowl safeties, Thomas and Chancelor
Cardinals- Adrian Wilson, they too have bigger needs than a safety

With the 14th pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Mark Barron from the University of Alabama.

I still have hope that DeCastro is the name.

Dallas has to many holes to try to fill without trading away picks. We are not a Mark Barron or Fletcher Cox, or even a Claiborne away from a championship.

[Deep_Freeze]

Because Jenkins is gonna get big dollars in FA if he is healthy and Claiborne will have the friendly rookie contract.

Plus he is a stud.

BPA, yes Jenk may walk, we could use an upgrade, or we can always trade down...

Well the main deal here is he would ride the pine all year, and not help us this year.

While we do need to draft at least 1 CB, if we draft a 1st rounder at that position, we are giving up on guys that could help us this year.

[CATCH17]

Well the main deal here is he would ride the pine all year, and not help us this year.

While we do need to draft at least 1 CB, if we draft a 1st rounder in that position, we are giving up on guys that could help us this year.


I disagree.

Dallas would put him in the starting lineup at some point plus with all of the spread offenses he would see a lot of PT.


It wouldn't surprise me if Jenkins was traded for a pick either.

He's a talented corner, playing under his rookie contract, and the team we trade him to can create his contract.

[DFWJC]

Barron will be there at 14! Teams are trying to get Dallas to take the bait, and I'm afraid that Jerry will fall for it.

None of the teams ahead of us need a safety......all have proven, young talented, and in some cases Pro Bowlers.

Jags- they have bigger needs than a safety at 7
Dolphins- they too have bigger needs than safety, principally QB
Panthers- will go DL
Bills- they have a pro bowler in Byrd.... a late rounder that did good. They need a LT.
Chiefs- they drafted Berry recently and paired him with another rookie, they don't need another early round safety.
Seahawks- they have two young pro-bowl safeties, Thomas and Chancelor
Cardinals- Adrian Wilson, they too have bigger needs than a safety

With the 14th pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Mark Barron from the University of Alabama.

I still have hope that DeCastro is the name.

Dallas has to many holes to try to fill without trading away picks. We are not a Mark Barron or Fletcher Cox, or even a Claiborne away from a championship.

Good points regarding Barron.

[Deep_Freeze]

I disagree.

Dallas would put him in the starting lineup at some point plus with all of the spread offenses he would see a lot of PT.


It wouldn't surprise me if Jenkins was traded for a pick either.

He's a talented corner, playing under his rookie contract, and the team we trade him to can create his contract.

Well trading a player is another whole different discussion, although it is harder to trade a guy in the last year of his contract.

I just don't see him beating out Jenkins or Carr in his first season, while he could beat out Scandrick, it would really be a waste of resources cause we have far bigger needs in other positions.

[InmanRoshi]

Barron will be there at 14! Teams are trying to get Dallas to take the bait, and I'm afraid that Jerry will fall for it.

None of the teams ahead of us need a safety......all have proven, young talented, and in some cases Pro Bowlers.

Jags- they have bigger needs than a safety at 7
Dolphins- they too have bigger needs than safety, principally QB
Panthers- will go DL
Bills- they have a pro bowler in Byrd.... a late rounder that did good. They need a LT.
Chiefs- they drafted Berry recently and paired him with another rookie, they don't need another early round safety.
Seahawks- they have two young pro-bowl safeties, Thomas and Chancelor
Cardinals- Adrian Wilson, they too have bigger needs than a safety

With the 14th pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Mark Barron from the University of Alabama.

I still have hope that DeCastro is the name.

Dallas has to many holes to try to fill without trading away picks. We are not a Mark Barron or Fletcher Cox, or even a Claiborne away from a championship.

I generally agree, but you're also assuming that all those teams will stay put and not trade out with a team who wants Barron and knows that he won't get past Dallas at 14. Especially if people are willing to trade their picks cheaply.

[a_minimalist]

I have to disagree. I think he is that good. I think he's a blue chipper.

[Mr Cowboy]

I generally agree, but you're also assuming that all those teams will stay put and not trade out with a team who wants Barron and knows that he won't get past Dallas at 14. Especially if people are willing to trade their picks cheaply.

That is true, but the only team that I seriously think would jump ahead of us is San Diego. But they need lots of help along the OL, and they're sitting pretty where they're at to get right into the OL run that will happen in the late teens. SD is like Dallas, they are more than one player away from a championship. Futhermore, SD just signed Weddle to a big contract last year.

[a_minimalist]

Barron will be there at 14! Teams are trying to get Dallas to take the bait, and I'm afraid that Jerry will fall for it.

None of the teams ahead of us need a safety......all have proven, young talented, and in some cases Pro Bowlers.

Jags- they have bigger needs than a safety at 7
Dolphins- they too have bigger needs than safety, principally QB
Panthers- will go DL
Bills- they have a pro bowler in Byrd.... a late rounder that did good. They need a LT.
Chiefs- they drafted Berry recently and paired him with another rookie, they don't need another early round safety.
Seahawks- they have two young pro-bowl safeties, Thomas and Chancelor
Cardinals- Adrian Wilson, they too have bigger needs than a safety

With the 14th pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Mark Barron from the University of Alabama.

I still have hope that DeCastro is the name.

Dallas has to many holes to try to fill without trading away picks. We are not a Mark Barron or Fletcher Cox, or even a Claiborne away from a championship.

The problem isn't those teams. The problem is the teams behind us moving up in front of us to take him. Which is why I think we move up a few spots.

[The30YardSlant]

Glad we didn't give up too much AND got a great player.

[InmanRoshi]

Nice scoop. So can I go ahead and start ordering my Orsen Charles jersey?

[a_minimalist]

Glad we didn't give up too much AND got a great player.

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