Clarence Hill: Text From Inside War Room

[Cajuncowboy]

Clarence Hill ‏ @clarencehilljr

just got text from inside the cowboys war room that barron, glenn, brockers, decastro, gilmore and kirkpatrick are all in the mix for 14



Thanks for narrowing that down for us. :laugh2:

[dgr81]

@clarencehilljr
just got text from inside the cowboys war room that barron, glenn, brockers, decastro, gilmore and kirkpatrick are all in the mix for 14

source said they will be happy with whoever ends up in their lap among the group at 14..

[Sasquatch]

So I guess the various reports that Kirkpatrick is off our board are false?

[mlubbering]

Is gimore considered the better prospect over kilpatrick?

[Woods]

@clarencehilljr
just got text from inside the cowboys war room that barron, glenn, brockers, decastro, gilmore and kirkpatrick are all in the mix for 14

source said they will be happy with whoever ends up in their lap among the group at 14..

haha

The Cowboys should have thrown in a few more names like Upshaw, Poe, etc.

[Joe Rod]

haha

The Cowboys should have thrown in a few more names like Upshaw, Poe, etc.

I wonder what order they have them in?

[a_minimalist]

i have no idea why glenn, gilmore, or kirkpatrick would even be an option at 14. glenn you trade down for, kirkpatrick you don't draft, and gilmore might be a little over rated.

[JackWagon]

Is gimore considered the better prospect over kilpatrick?

Gimme Gilmore over Dre "Chronic" Kirkpatrick

[AsthmaField]

DeCastro the only one from outside the SEC.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Should have just listed half the prospects in the 1st round, since that is pretty darn close.

[Woods]

I wonder what order they have them in?

I think the Cowboys just threw a bunch of names at C Hill :laugh1:

That's his inside scoop.

[The30YardSlant]

Is gimore considered the better prospect over kilpatrick?

If by "better" you mean "more sober" than yes.

[Joe Rod]

I think the Cowboys just threw a bunch of names at C Hill :laugh1:

That's his inside scoop.

I hope so. There are several that don't seem like a good value at 14 to me

[a_minimalist]

There are several that don't seem like a good value at 14 to me

what you said

[Beast_from_East]

Clarence Hill ‏ @clarencehilljr

just got text from inside the cowboys war room that barron, glenn, brockers, decastro, gilmore and kirkpatrick are all in the mix for 14



Thanks for narrowing that down for us. :laugh2:

Gilmore or Kirkpatrick at 14?

Seriously?

Wow:eek:

[ABQCOWBOY]

There are several teams who have Gilmore ranked higher then Kirkpatrick.

[johnnyd]

Gilmore or Kirkpatrick at 14?

Seriously?

Wow:eek:

in a trade with detroit maybe? ;)

[Sasquatch]

There are several teams who have Gilmore ranked higher then Kirkpatrick.

And a few posters, some from the same family. ;)

[Risen Star]

I am ready to roll. Greatest three days of the year.

Unless we get a 2009 type class.

[CCBoy]

Two corners, two guards, a safety, and a defensive end...with no movement.

[ABQCOWBOY]

And a few posters, some from the same family. ;)

Guilty as charged.

:laugh2:

[Risen Star]

Two corners, two guards, a safety, and a defensive end...with no movement.

Insanity.

Only in Dallas is a depth chart of Carr, Jenkins and Scandrick badly in need of a couple of draft picks.

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, Glenn is kind of news, although Mosley reported it earlier.

BTW, speaking of Mosley, he said he talked to people from several teams picking around us, and he said it's almost unanimous they expect us to take Brockers.

[a_minimalist]

I am ready to roll. Greatest three days of the year.

Unless we get a 2009 type class.

Who are the two players you are really rooting for?

[jswalker1981]

Insanity.

Only in Dallas is a depth chart of Carr, Jenkins and Scandrick badly in need of a couple of draft picks.

You mean only on every NFL team with a depth of chart in 2013 of #1 CB, Slot CB, and nothing else would corners be a need. Geez, you know they plan on playing football AFTER this season, right?

[Beast_from_East]

Well, Glenn is kind of news, although Mosley reported it earlier.

BTW, speaking of Mosley, he said he talked to people from several teams picking around us, and he said it's almost unanimous they expect us to take Brockers.

That would be very unfortunate to say the least.


Marcus Spears 2.0

[Sasquatch]

Geez, you know they plan on playing football AFTER this season, right?

It would be nice for the organization to be proactive for a change instead of being reactive (see Safety and Oline).

[jblaze2004]

@clarencehilljr
just got text from inside the cowboys war room that barron, glenn, brockers, decastro, gilmore and kirkpatrick are all in the mix for 14

source said they will be happy with whoever ends up in their lap among the group at 14..

good a rather not trade up unless its for a blue-chip player.

[InmanRoshi]

Well, Glenn is kind of news, although Mosley reported it earlier.

BTW, speaking of Mosley, he said he talked to people from several teams picking around us, and he said it's almost unanimous they expect us to take Brockers.

Broaddus was still sticking with Brockers today.

[DFWJC]

@clarencehilljr
just got text from inside the cowboys war room that barron, glenn, brockers, decastro, gilmore and kirkpatrick are all in the mix for 14

source said they will be happy with whoever ends up in their lap among the group at 14..
Makes sense to me.

I know some here have said 14 is a bad spot, but I've said all along that I feel it's a good spot value-wise.

And IF they have all of those guys in the same tier, then it is just that.

If that's the case and there are 3-4 still there when 14 comes up, then that equals a no risk free 3rd or 4th rounder in a small trade-down. But there would have to be enough available, they'd have them rated about the same, and they'd have to have a willing trade partner.

If not, just pick one...no problem.

I think IF TRUE, that list confirms that they have Cox in a tier above this group and that he may be the possible trade up option (if he falls in striking range) some had referred to...not Barron, DC, or any of the others in the lower group.

What's funny is we spend moonths talking about the 1st round when they have 7 more picks this year after that.

[jblaze2004]

There are several teams who have Gilmore ranked higher then Kirkpatrick.

i wonder why the tape (youtube;) ) i watched gilmore seems to allow easy completions way too much and miss tackles (not wrapping up). For someone with his numbers (40, short shuttle and etc) he plays sort of stiff. He looks like a safety almost in coverage. WR's gets him turning all sorts of ways we they run routes. idk why the hype on gilmore. I like kirkpatrick better but he has his flaws also (speed and man coverage).

[burmafrd]

Well, Glenn is kind of news, although Mosley reported it earlier.

BTW, speaking of Mosley, he said he talked to people from several teams picking around us, and he said it's almost unanimous they expect us to take Brockers.

God I hope that is the ultimate smokescreen, I just do not see Brockers ever being worth a 1st just like Spears never was.

[Teague31]

Kirkpatrick and Glenn would be awful picks at 14.

[TheCoolFan]

Glenn though? :confused:

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

There are several teams who have Gilmore ranked higher then Kirkpatrick.

I think he's the best corner in this draft, wouldn't blink an eye if Dallas picked him, and think he'll be the guy at 14. I think Dallas has kept quiet about him for a reason.

[DFWJC]

There are several teams who have Gilmore ranked higher then Kirkpatrick.
Several "final" mocks have Gilmore going before us.

[CowboysLaw87]

Glenn- the #2 OG and #3 OT in the draft, with physical traits that are superior to the #1 OG and #2 OT (Reiff). Potentially dominant OG who could easily play RT, and play it really well IMO.

Gilmore- elite size/speed combo CB who is almost universally a top 2 CB in this draft, and potential top 10 pick. More fluid than Kirkpatrick with a cleaner character. Capable of playing in the slot, where Kirkpatrick cannot.

Where is all the resistance coming from about these guys? We have the 14th pick, not the 4th. The guy we get is not going to be a PERFECT, FLAWLESS, walk in All Pro. The truth is that any of these guys would help us immensely.

[a_minimalist]

I think he's the best corner in this draft, wouldn't blink an eye if Dallas picked him, and think he'll be the guy at 14. I think Dallas has kept quiet about him for a reason.

Gilmore is not better than Claiborne. Not even close.

[Sasquatch]

Where is all the resistance coming from about these guys? We have the 14th pick, not the 4th. The guy we get is not going to be a PERFECT, FLAWLESS, walk in All Pro. The truth is that any of these guys would help us immensely.

I think people get too fixated on the precise number whereas it's probably better to think in terms of tiers or ranges. These guys seem to be reasonable second-tier first round candidates (i.e. 10-20).

[a_minimalist]

I think people get too fixated on the number whereas it's probably better to think in temrs of tiers or ranges. These guys seem to be reasonable second-tier first round candidates (i.e. 10-20).

i also think there are so many contradictions in draft thinking. saying you can't find a flawless all pro later in the 1st makes no sense when you have people who say certain positions aren't deserving of early picks(i hate when i hear this)

[DFWJC]

Glenn though? :confused:
I'd trade down some in that situation.

But for argument's sake, Glenn would hold great value to the Cowboys; more than for some teams.
Obviously, we can use an OG.
But also, we need OT backup help and if our current RT regresses further we will even need a starter to replace him.
I'm sure they see him as a two-in-one value.

[JackWagon]

Just want jerry to not screw this up ... just pick your board. BPA at 14 would be great. Dont get tricky trickster and trade down ... etc.

[CowboysLaw87]

I think people get too fixated on the number whereas it's probably better to think in temrs of tiers or ranges. These guys seem to be reasonable second-tier first round candidates (i.e. 10-20).

Couldn't agree more. For example, let's say KC takes Riley Reiff at 11 and Pittsburgh takes Dont'a Hightower at 24. Is Riley Reiff a much better football player than Dont'a Hightower?

On the same token, I'll see guys who are like "I really like Glenn but would want to trade down to get him." OK, so he's a good pick at 18-22 but unacceptable at 14? If he's your guy, he's your guy. It hardly matters what pick it's at (within reason, of course).

[the_h0wey]

I wonder what order they have them in?

They probably have them listed 1-6.

[HoustonFrog]

Just saw this

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7466/michael-brockers

ESPN's Todd Archer reports that there's a "good chance" LSU DT Michael Brockers will be the Cowboys' pick at No. 14.
In beat reporter Todd Archer's story, he goes on to explain that Brockers would do nothing to improve Dallas' pass rush while perhaps hinting that this pick could spell the end of Marcus Spears' Cowboys tenure. Brockers would be a "five technique" defensive end in Dallas' 3-4. He was a D-Tackle at LSU. Apr 26 - 4:22 PM

[DFWJC]

Gilmore is not better than Claiborne. Not even close.
I know I like Gilmore more than you, but I agree totally.

Claiborne is outstanding.

[dadymat]

God I hope that is the ultimate smokescreen, I just do not see Brockers ever being worth a 1st just like Spears never was.


i admit that all ive seen about Brockers is the youtube highlights....but frankly it scares the hell out of me that we would take him at anywhere in the first round....if a highlight reel dont make you look good .... :eek:

[Risen Star]

Who are the two players you are really rooting for?

Fletcher Cox, though it looks like that's a pipe dream now.

The dancing bear, Cordy Glenn.

[CCBoy]

Fletcher Cox, though it looks like that's a pipe dream now.

The dancing bear, Cordy Glenn.

...and Glenn would eliminate the immediate need for an additional offensive tackle.

[a_minimalist]

Fletcher Cox, though it looks like that's a pipe dream now.

The dancing bear, Cordy Glenn.

I agree about Cox. Would you be okay with Glenn at 14?

[Risen Star]

...and Glenn would eliminate the immediate need for an additional offensive tackle.

Yep. That's part of his value.

[a_minimalist]

I know I like Gilmore more than you, but I agree totally.

Claiborne is outstanding.

Yes he is. Especially when he is compared to Patrick Peterson. I don't know who is better but Patrick Peterson is a stud and being compared to him says a lot.

[Risen Star]

I agree about Cox. Would you be okay with Glenn at 14?

I have him 11th on my value board in the thread I posted a few weeks ago. It's linked in my signature.

Yeah. I have no problem whatsoever taking him at 14.

[a_minimalist]

I have him 11th on my value board in the thread I posted a few weeks ago. It's linked in my signature.

Yeah. I have no problem whatsoever taking him at 14.

Interesting. You did a good job with that. I like it. I'd still rather Barron at 10 or 11 though :D .

[M'Kevon]

Insanity.

Only in Dallas is a depth chart of Carr, Jenkins and Scandrick badly in need of a couple of draft picks.

Jenkins shoulder may not be ready for the regular season.

[Risen Star]

Interesting. You did a good job with that. I like it. I'd still rather Barron at 10 or 11 though :D .

You'd rather lose picks and take Barron?

If the Cowboys take Barron at 14 over Glenn or even DeCastro, I'll deal with it. But if they package picks to trade up for Barron I'll be sticking more pins in my Jerry doll.

[DFWJC]

Interesting. You did a good job with that. I like it. I'd still rather Barron at 10 or 11 though :D .
No thanks on that one.

[JackWagon]

You'd rather lose picks and take Barron?

If the Cowboys take Barron at 14 over Glenn or even DeCastro, I'll deal with it. But if they package picks to trade up for Barron I'll be sticking more pins in my Jerry doll.

Me too ... trading up with all those players right about the same level is stupidity. But trading down and taking a chance on not getting "your guy" is stupid too. Just draft BPA and worry about round #2. :)

[DFWJC]

Me too ... trading up with all those players right about the same level is stupidity. But trading down and taking a chance on not getting "your guy" is stupid too. Just draft BPA and worry about round #2. :)
If (and only if) you have 3-4 remaining in the same tier and you trade down 3-4 spots, you risk nothing.
Of course, you have to have willing trade partner. But rumor is that SD at 18 may have interest.

[a_minimalist]

You'd rather lose picks and take Barron?

If the Cowboys take Barron at 14 over Glenn or even DeCastro, I'll deal with it. But if they package picks to trade up for Barron I'll be sticking more pins in my Jerry doll.

If it is just a 3rd fine. Maybe a 3rd and a late round. But I think Barron would make a huge difference on our D. I've said it before but I think he's the type of player an offense would fear and have to game plan around. I was all about waiting for DeCastro but Barron stole my heart. I do understand the concern about losing depth on our roster but IMO Barron is that good.

No thanks on that one.

I understand where you're coming from. I just like Barron that much now. I feel like I've betrayed DeCastro lol

[newlander]

I think he's the best corner in this draft, wouldn't blink an eye if Dallas picked him, and think he'll be the guy at 14. I think Dallas has kept quiet about him for a reason.


.......with our dlinemen we might NEED another CB.....we'll see if they can cover for about 10 seconds which is how much time Eli and Vick and others had against us every time they dropped back last season....our front 7 BLOWS.....

[InmanRoshi]

The gulf between Brodney Poole and Barron this year alone is worth a 3rd round pick IMO, much less what Barron would be the rest of his career here. I don't think people fully grasp what garbage Poole is, or maybe they're just so accustomed to garbage at FS they don't know any better.

Besides, unless Konz falls to the 2nd I have a feeling the Cowboys are going to trade back there to the end of the 2nd and take Hayward and reclaim that 3rd round pick.

[Gaede]

The gulf between Brodney Poole and Barron this year alone is worth a 3rd round pick IMO, much less what Barron would be the rest of his career here. I don't think people fully grasp what garbage Poole is, or maybe they're just so accustomed to garbage at FS they don't know any better.

Besides, unless Konz falls to the 2nd I have a feeling the Cowboys are going to trade back there to the end of the 2nd and take Hayward and reclaim that 3rd round pick.

Seems like a likely scenario