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InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 07:19 AM
We like Claiborne as a player, but we're not sure about giving up so much to get him?
I think anytime you can get a super blue chip player or a player you think is a multi time Pro Bowler you got to do it. He plays CB like a WR. He wins later in the route than earlier in the route, which is a good fit for Ryan's blitz schemes.

Is CB one of the few positions you would move up like this for?
I would do it for a pass rusher, a left tackle, corner. Look at FA. What was most expensive. You can't get CB unless you really pay. You have to draft what you can't buy.

Isn't this a move you make when you're more one player away rather than Dallas who is so far away from contending?
I don't think they are. They need to figure out what they're going to do at safety, but Mike Jenkins is in the last year of his contract and he isn't very good. I think he's at his best as a 4th CB. I know everyone down there wants an OL, but I think Callahan will do a good job with that OL. I think they're just a few pieces away.

Is his Wonderlic overblown?
That's a shame it gets out. The wonderlic is a test where if you don't fully concentrate and apply yourself the score looks bad. You just got to spend time with the player, there is no test that is a substitute for that. The reason you test these players is as teachers you're trying to figure out the best way to teach the student. Maybe he needs to just get up on the white board to learn.

Who's draft did you like?
I like Tampa, Barron is a really good safety. I like Doug Martin, ended up with two first rounders. Patriots got a 3 run homer, I thought CHandler Jones was the best outside rusher in the draft and then they end up with a stud in Hightower, who I think Pittsburgh really really wanted but DeCastro was just a bigger need.

I wasn't in love with Cleveland. The key for the Rams is how well they execute these picks. People say "Oh they got all these picks!", but the picks don't mean anything if they turn out to be good players.

Questions about Tannehill?
I got a lot of questions about Tannehill. You guys have been around sports your entire lives, do you think Dan Marino or any other great QB showed up to his college campus and they looked at him and said "Let's try you at WR". If you're selected with a Top 10 pick as a QB you should be able to see it right away. He's a good athlete. I have questions with how he processes information. We'll see.

Are you confident Luck and RG3 will both be great?
The key is how the team is tailored around him. That's the key for QBs. The Patriots tailor their offense to what Brady does best. Colts did it with Manning. RG3 needs vertical outside WRs. You want him to be the point guard on a fast break and moving around on his feet . Luck needs to throw to the middle of the field. They'll take Colby Fleener at the top of the 2nd round. Control the middle of the field with touch and timing routes, he's not going to throw a lot of comeback routes on the outside of the hashmarks.

Biggest reach?
Irvin was a surprise, but I like him. I thought he was a 1st round player. He has off the field issues, and Carrol could care less about off the field issues.

Cowboys a lot of misses in the 2nd day. Don't they need to improve on that?
They found DeMarco Murray last year, give him credit for that. They need a safety. I don't think they have as many holes as people think. They have a lot of talent .

Goodell last night hugging weirdly too long?
It was the hardest draft I've ever been to. The picks were coming in fast and furious, and there must have been a keg backstage for the players because the players took forever to come out to the stage. The picks were backlogged. We knew about trades and picks but couldn't announce they because we were backlogged on the announced picks on stage.

morasp
04-27-2012, 07:26 AM
Is CB one of the few positions you would move up like this for?
I would do it for a pass rusher, a left tackle, corner. Look at FA. What was most expensive. You can't get CB unless you really pay. You have to draft what you can't buy.


We have the Left tackle and pass rusher and we also payed for another top corner so by his formula sound like we're making the right moves

DEZBRYANT x88x
04-27-2012, 07:31 AM
We have the Left tackle and pass rusher and we also payed for another top corner so by his formula sound like we're making the right moves
Seriously. Some of these morons who hate the pick make me scratch my head. To be honest we nipped the Rams for a 4th round pick.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 07:34 AM
The Ticket guys have been driving me crazy acting like the Cowboys are about 20 players away from being in the Giants class. I'm not disagreeing that the Cowboys have a lot of areas they could upgrade, but these guys have forgotten that the Cowboys were literally one poorly executed play away from wrapping up the NFC East in Week 14 and shutting the Giants out of the playoffs. That's how thin the margin is between Superbowl and non-contender. They still seem to think you have to build the 93 Cowboys, 76 Steelers or 84 Niners roster before you can win a Superbowl. I don't recall any of those teams having a 4 game losing streak in the regular season like the Giants did last year. The Giants had a servicable at best OL, pedestrian RBs and a hot mess in the secondary. They didn't have a great 53 man roster. They got great QB play, two elite units at WR and DL that were difference makers, and they got hot at the right time. That, and a lot of luck, is all you need in today's NFL to win a Superbowl.

EGG
04-27-2012, 07:45 AM
C/G and a pass rusher (OLB or DE)is the minimum that Jones has to fill before the season starts to be seriously competitive this season IMO. After that, some DL and OT depth would be nice. That's not very many holes though some FA dollars will likely have to be spent for one of the holes.

Randy White
04-27-2012, 07:47 AM
The Ticket guys have been driving me crazy acting like the Cowboys are about 20 players away from being in the Giants class..

:hammer:


And something else that wasn't included in your report:

Lombardi put ALL of those clowns, including Hitzgues who I really have alot of respect for, in their places when he said: " The Cowboys don't have as many holes as you guys think they do .. "

Since the drafted started, the Ticket crew have been harping about " the many holes " the Cowboys have on their roster. They've been making it sound like if Dallas has a strainer for a roster at Valley Ranch. Then when the trade went down, Norm immediately went to: " but now we don't have a 2nd round pick, oh lordi lord what are we going to do ? "

My question to him ( and to those who are saying the same thing ) right off the bat would be:

" If the Cowboys have this many holes, tell me exactly how many of them would A 2nd round pick fill ? "

fanfromvirginia
04-27-2012, 07:53 AM
The Ticket guys have been driving me crazy acting like the Cowboys are about 20 players away from being in the Giants class. I'm not disagreeing that the Cowboys have a lot of areas they could upgrade, but these guys have forgotten that the Cowboys were literally one poorly executed play away from wrapping up the NFC East in Week 14 and shutting the Giants out of the playoffs. That's how thin the margin is between Superbowl and non-contender. They still seem to think you have to build the 93 Cowboys, 76 Steelers or 84 Niners roster before you can win a Superbowl. I don't recall any of those teams having a 4 game losing streak in the regular season like the Giants did last year. The Giants had a servicable at best OL, pedestrian RBs and a hot mess in the secondary. They didn't have a great 53 man roster. They got great QB play, two elite units at WR and DL that were difference makers, and they got hot at the right time. That, and a lot of luck, is all you need in today's NFL to win a Superbowl.
Great points but I would add that they probably got hot at the right time (for the second time in the last few years) because of coaching. That is the ingredient you left out. At this stage, how close we are is primarily a function of how good JG (and his system) is.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 08:01 AM
Great points but I would add that they probably got hot at the right time (for the second time in the last few years) because of coaching.

I think you're using too small a sample size to decipher much of anything. But aside from that I would attribute it to coaching if the coaching could repeat this phenomenon dependably, but they don't. The Giants fell apart in December the previous two years. What happened to the coaching those years? Did Coughlin just discover how to coach last year when he's been in the biz 100 years? I doubt it. Did Coughlin just decide not to use it those years? When you can't replicate it, you have to attribute it to chance rather than some meritocracy.

4lifecowboy
04-27-2012, 08:08 AM
Mike Jenkins a 4th corner at best? *** I stopped reading at that point.

fanfromvirginia
04-27-2012, 08:09 AM
I think you're using too small a sample size to decipher much of anything. But aside from that I would attribute it to coaching if the coaching could repeat this phenomenon dependably, but they don't. The Giants fell apart in December the previous two years. What happened to the coaching those years? Did Coughlin just discover how to coach last year when he's been in the biz 100 years? I doubt it. Did Coughlin just decide not to use it those years? When you can't replicate it, you have to attribute it to chance rather than some meritocracy.
I don't think Coughlin is a great coach for the reasons you state. I do think he is the kind of coach who can get his players to go on these kind of streaks. It is more of a hunch then a theory given the sample size. I am also defining coaching broadly to include systemic stuff like player acquisition and development.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 08:10 AM
Mike Jenkins a 4th corner at best? *** I stopped reading at that point.

Seems like the Cowboys agree with Lombardi. They've went all out to attain or retain 3 CBs on this roster, and seemingly have put no effort into keeping Jenkins.

kmd24
04-27-2012, 08:14 AM
The Ticket guys have been driving me crazy acting like the Cowboys are about 20 players away from being in the Giants class.

I think most of this comes from the fact that the peanut gallery doesn't like Livings, Bernadeau, and Pool. Their signings are treated as worthless, and they haven't even stepped on the field as Cowboys yet.

Zimmy Lives
04-27-2012, 08:15 AM
I think it was a risky move given the other positional needs. I don't think it will pay off this year but maybe next year when the Cowboys focus on a playmaking DE.

If anything, the Cowboys now have playmakers at LB (Ware & Lee) and CB.

Zimmy Lives
04-27-2012, 08:17 AM
I think most of this comes from the fact that the peanut gallery doesn't like Livings, Bernadeau, and Pool. Their signings are treated as worthless, and they haven't even stepped on the field as Cowboys yet.

I used to listen to the ticket when I was in my twenties -- same age as Dunham and Miller -- but I grew up. It's sad that men in their late forties are still using the same schtick.

Risen Star
04-27-2012, 08:28 AM
Lombardi lost all credibility calling Mike Jenkins a 4th CB. That's insane.

texmex
04-27-2012, 08:30 AM
The guys on The Ticket like Norm and Bob Sturm are obsessed with the draft. This is their baby so it makes sense they tend to overvalue draft picks as a whole.

Norm raved about the St.Louis Rams cause they kept stockpiling picks about how many good players they can add. The rams had a chance to add a high impact player last night but failed to do so. Now they have 3 second round picks....great...what are the odds and NFL team can hit on all 3 picks like that. More than likely the Rams will get 1 starter, and 2 other guys who will be off the team in 4 years.

Zimmy Lives
04-27-2012, 08:52 AM
Lombardi lost all credibility calling Mike Jenkins a 4th CB. That's insane.

Well, he's at best the 3rd corner on this team as of today.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 09:04 AM
The guys on The Ticket like Norm and Bob Sturm are obsessed with the draft. This is their baby so it makes sense they tend to overvalue draft picks as a whole.

I think that's a lot of it. They've invested a lot into it, personally and professionally. Norm talked his boss into spending a lot of money to cover the draft wall to wall, so I'm sure it's not great for him when the Cowboys draft (or at least the part of the draft 95% of fans care about) is over within the first hour. I imagine a lot of fans probably hadn't even turned on the draft yet when the Cowboys made the pick.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 09:05 AM
Cowboys fans really overrate Jenkins. He's been a critical component of maybe the worst secondary in the NFL the last two years. He was graded out as the worst CB in the NFL in 2010. Oh, and have we mentioned his tackling? Or should I say "tackling".

Zimmy Lives
04-27-2012, 09:06 AM
Cowboys fans really overrate Jenkins. He's been a critical component of maybe the worst secondary in the NFL the last two years. He was graded out as the worst CB in the NFL in 2010. Oh, and have we mentioned his tackling? Or should I say "tackling".

The entire defense was terrible in 2010 so I would not hold it against Jenkins.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 09:10 AM
The entire defense was terrible in 2010 so I would not hold it against Jenkins.

You could use that reasoning to excuse Terrence Newman or any other bad player we've had. The bottomline is Jenkins is just not nearly as good as his fans want to believe. He certainly didn't seem to make much of an impression on Rob Ryan.

jterrell
04-27-2012, 09:12 AM
Great points but I would add that they probably got hot at the right time (for the second time in the last few years) because of coaching. That is the ingredient you left out. At this stage, how close we are is primarily a function of how good JG (and his system) is.

It was largely health and gained experience.

Prince finally played decently and Tuck, Osi and JPP were all full bore for the final run.

The Giants just hit their stride and got healthy.


Their OL, which was worse than ours btw, played much better as well.

Zimmy Lives
04-27-2012, 09:13 AM
You could use that reasoning to excuse Terrence Newman or any other bad player we've had. The bottomline is Jenkins is just not nearly as good as his fans want to believe. He certainly didn't seem to make much of an impression on Rob Ryan.

I think the impression he gives is he is soft and does not love the game enough to go 100% all the time. I think he has talent but he does not have the motor. Garrett wants guys with football passion and a high motor.

jterrell
04-27-2012, 09:14 AM
Well, he's at best the 3rd corner on this team as of today.

I am a big Mike Jenkins fan but it doesn't look like his body can handle a starting role. He has always had effort issues and physically he isn't built for 16 games facing 215 pound WRs every play.

If he becomes our nickel wholly crap we will be good though.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 09:19 AM
It was largely health and gained experience.

Prince finally played decently and Tuck, Osi and JPP were all full bore for the final run.

The Giants just hit their stride and got healthy.


Their OL, which was worse than ours btw, played much better as well.

I think it's also due to Eli being a streaky guy. When he gets hot in December/January you get 2007 and 2011. When he gets cold in December/January you get 2008-2010.

Risen Star
04-27-2012, 09:21 AM
Well, he's at best the 3rd corner on this team as of today.

That may be true but he's a legitimate quality starting CB in this league. To say he's some backup CB is an insult.

I like Lombardi but he's way out in left field on this.

visionary
04-27-2012, 09:24 AM
It was largely health and gained experience.

Prince finally played decently and Tuck, Osi and JPP were all full bore for the final run.

The Giants just hit their stride and got healthy.


Their OL, which was worse than ours btw, played much better as well.


why is it that some teams "just hit their stride" and "get on a hot streak" but we cant seem to do that for the last decade and a half even though we "are very talented" and "dont have many holes"?


maybe there is more to it than that

just a thought

RoyTheHammer
04-27-2012, 09:26 AM
Seems like the Cowboys agree with Lombardi. They've went all out to attain or retain 3 CBs on this roster, and seemingly have put no effort into keeping Jenkins.

Which is why i have no faith in our decision making yet.. he was our best CB the last two or three years. He's the only guy the last two years that stayed with his man, broke up passes, and didn't get beat or picked on by the other team repeatedly.

RoyTheHammer
04-27-2012, 09:29 AM
Cowboys fans really overrate Jenkins. He's been a critical component of maybe the worst secondary in the NFL the last two years. He was graded out as the worst CB in the NFL in 2010. Oh, and have we mentioned his tackling? Or should I say "tackling".

Speaking of Cowboys fans overrating things, tackling issues for Jenkins comes to mind. Sure he made a few business decisions in 2010, as if any CB doesn't do the same thing, but in 2011 he tackled anything that came his way, and laid out a few hard hits as well. He was our best tackling CB in 2011.. while Newman was the guy making the obvious business decisions.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 09:30 AM
why is it that some teams "just hit their stride" and "get on a hot streak" but we cant seem to do that for the last decade and a half even though we "are very talented" and "dont have many holes"?


We did it in 2009.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 09:31 AM
Which is why i have no faith in our decision making yet.. he was our best CB the last two or three years.

He was complete and utter garbage in 2010.

I trust Jerome Henderson's ability to evaluate CB play, considering he just coached up arguably the best secondary in the NFL. I'm sure he's reviewed tape on all his players. Evidently he's not a fan of what he saw.

MichaelWinicki
04-27-2012, 09:33 AM
He was complete and utter garbage in 2010.

True.

If you go by the rankings, Scandrick was better than Jenkins or Newman in 2010.

blandi60
04-27-2012, 09:35 AM
By the postseason the Giants were playing 1 first rounder at cornerback,2 first rounders at safety and a 2nd rounder at the other cornerback position with another 1st rounder backing them up.So they have invested in the DBs as well as the pass rush (they also had another 1st rounder on injured reserve)

MichaelWinicki
04-27-2012, 09:38 AM
By the postseason the Giants were playing 1 first rounder at cornerback,2 first rounders at safety and a 2nd rounder at the other cornerback position with another 1st rounder backing them up.So they have invested in the DBs as well as the pass rush (they also had another 1st rounder on injured reserve)

True.

It wasn't all about the Giants investing early picks on defensive linemen.

jterrell
04-27-2012, 09:41 AM
why is it that some teams "just hit their stride" and "get on a hot streak" but we cant seem to do that for the last decade and a half even though we "are very talented" and "dont have many holes"?


maybe there is more to it than that

just a thought

The Giants did it last year but the previous 3 seasons are 5 games over .500.
We are 2 games over .500. It is a miniscule difference.

The Packers got hot in 2010 but fell apart in 2011 late on defense.

No one who won more than 5 games is more than a few players away because this is parity era NFL.

I am hardly suggesting Dallas is a title favorite but they beat the 49ers last year on the road and battled the Pats and Giants to last minute games. They aren't dog meat.

Dallas last season woes have something to do with the scheduling.
We are great in November but December is full of teams from the north east in cold winter months. All teams who consider Dallas their biggest rival.

I think the Eagles are the early 2012 NFCE Fave even after the Giants won the SB.

visionary
04-27-2012, 09:44 AM
We did it in 2009.

an 11-5 team getting blown out and utterly embarrased during the second round would hardly qualify as "going on a hot streak"

DFWJC
04-27-2012, 09:44 AM
Well, he's at best the 3rd corner on this team as of today.
Scandrick plays slot corner better though, so this could be interesting.

jterrell
04-27-2012, 09:58 AM
an 11-5 team getting blown out and utterly embarrased during the second round would hardly qualify as "going on a hot streak"

only winning every game til the sb counts?
Dallas beat the Eagles twice, won the NFCE and finally got the playoff win monkey off their back. Yes they lost badly to a superior Minny team on the road.

burmafrd
04-27-2012, 10:09 AM
only winning every game til the sb counts?
Dallas beat the Eagles twice, won the NFCE and finally got the playoff win monkey off their back. Yes they lost badly to a superior Minny team on the road.

Edwards had the game of his career and they had Jared Allen as well; the vikes were exactly strongest where we were weakest. That was the main reason for the blowout.

Deep_Freeze
04-27-2012, 10:17 AM
By the postseason the Giants were playing 1 first rounder at cornerback,2 first rounders at safety and a 2nd rounder at the other cornerback position with another 1st rounder backing them up.So they have invested in the DBs as well as the pass rush (they also had another 1st rounder on injured reserve)

Great point.

Needs to be repeated a few times.

I think the Eagles are the early 2012 NFCE Fave even after the Giants won the SB.

Even with their additions in the front 7, they can still be run on.

One of Cox's main weaknesses is against the run, and really he didn't plug that hole they had last year against the run, all the press is worried about is pass rush. Also, Carter will have to be huge in this matchup with his speed in the middle of our D.

They made us look stupid last year, but those are the two things that help us this year against them, along with the CBs of course.

RoyTheHammer
04-27-2012, 10:18 AM
Scandrick plays slot corner better though, so this could be interesting.

Nah.. i expect to see Mo in alot of slot duty this year.

visionary
04-27-2012, 10:19 AM
The Giants did it last year but the previous 3 seasons are 5 games over .500.
We are 2 games over .500. It is a miniscule difference.

The Packers got hot in 2010 but fell apart in 2011 late on defense.

No one who won more than 5 games is more than a few players away because this is parity era NFL.

I am hardly suggesting Dallas is a title favorite but they beat the 49ers last year on the road and battled the Pats and Giants to last minute games. They aren't dog meat.

Dallas last season woes have something to do with the scheduling.
We are great in November but December is full of teams from the north east in cold winter months. All teams who consider Dallas their biggest rival.

I think the Eagles are the early 2012 NFCE Fave even after the Giants won the SB.

we can always rationalize anything we want

i am just trying to understand this "hot streak" thing to see if this is a result of anything tangible that teams do or just pixie dust

jterrell
04-27-2012, 10:23 AM
we can always rationalize anything we want

i am just trying to understand this "hot streak" thing to see if this is a result of anything tangible that teams do or just pixie dust

you arent trying very hard to understand.

you seem far more interested in crying in each thread.

the scouts have been solid the past couple drafts and do deserve the benefit of the doubt. i haven't seen a single scout not rate Claiborne highly.

this is much like the hate last year for the murray and carter picks.

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 10:26 AM
only winning every game til the sb counts?
Dallas beat the Eagles twice, won the NFCE and finally got the playoff win monkey off their back. Yes they lost badly to a superior Minny team on the road.

Apparently 31 teams in the NFL get on a cold streak at the end of the season every year.

visionary
04-27-2012, 10:33 AM
you arent trying very hard to understand.

you seem far more interested in crying in each thread.

the scouts have been solid the past couple drafts and do deserve the benefit of the doubt. i haven't seen a single scout not rate Claiborne highly.

this is much like the hate last year for the murray and carter picks.

i am not understanding because you are bringing up stuff like "going on a hot streak" and when i ask what you mean by that, you change the subject

as to the pick, i never cried about it, claiborne has the potential to be a great player

my problem is giving up the second and not addressing the 2 biggest needs on the team, OL and front 7

as to last year's picks, i liked the murray pick (and in fact if you search my posts, before the season i said that murray would be our starting RB by seasons end), jury is still out on carter IMO and we will see this year. what gets me are posts that start talking about whether we can think of carter as this year's rd 2 pick (right up there with posts that talk about "going on a hot streak" or "the ball bouncing our way" or "this is a cyclical league so sooner or later we are bound to get to the SB") in order to rationalize the pick of an injured player last year and making a bad decision this year

so, more pixie dust

InmanRoshi
04-27-2012, 10:33 AM
we can always rationalize anything we want

i am just trying to understand this "hot streak" thing to see if this is a result of anything tangible that teams do or just pixie dust

And if your contention is the Giants won the Superbowl because they just had that much more raw dominating physical talent on their roster than everyone else in the NFL, why did they go on a 4 game losing streak in the regular season? And we're not talking about a team that stumbled out of the gate and then came together, we're talking about a team that was one play away from being elminated from the playoffs by Week 14.

I've seen dominating teams before. I saw the 76 Steelers. I saw the 85 Bears. I saw the 93 Cowboys. I don't recall any of them having a 4 game losing streak in the regular season.

I think the "pixie dust" here is you believing everything is based purely on meritocracy.

visionary
04-27-2012, 10:37 AM
Apparently 31 teams in the NFL get on a cold streak at the end of the season every year.

not many good teams have gone on a 17 year 'cold streak'

only a handful of teams have not been to the conference championship game in a decade and a half

the others are the dregs of the league

guess which group we are in?

Mash
04-27-2012, 10:39 AM
I didnt read the OP and the rest of the thread....

But I just wanted to say.....I think Lombardi is a idiot....everytime I hear him on NFLN I wonder how he ever worked in the NFL

Some of the things that spews from his mouth just makes me wonder....

visionary
04-27-2012, 10:45 AM
I think the "pixie dust" here is you believing everything is based purely on meritocracy.

have you played baseball?

ever seen/made a spectacular catch?

it is usually one of the best fielders that makes the "lucky" or impossible catch

bad fielders never do that

know why?

because they are fundamentally sound
because they are in position for the "good luck" to happen

for the "ball to bounce your way" you have to be fundamentally sound, build the team the right way, so you are in position for the "good luck"

when you keep going for the shiny toy instead of the grunt in the trenches, it shows up in december and january and yo uare left talking about stuff like chemistry and luck and the cyclical nature of the league

it is not a coincidence that pats, steelers, and giants are doing well

it is not pixie dust

big dog cowboy
04-27-2012, 10:53 AM
Great job as always IR! BTW.....

The picks were coming in fast and furious, and there must have been a keg backstage for the players because the players took forever to come out to the stage.

:laugh2:

jterrell
04-27-2012, 11:22 AM
not many good teams have gone on a 17 year 'cold streak'

only a handful of teams have not been to the conference championship game in a decade and a half

the others are the dregs of the league

guess which group we are in?

ROFL.
What does 17 years have to do with this draft?
I get it now though so I can just put you on ignore.

You clearly mean to cry every single post til they win a Super Bowl.

visionary
04-27-2012, 12:38 PM
ROFL.
What does 17 years have to do with this draft?
I get it now though so I can just put you on ignore.

You clearly mean to cry every single post til they win a Super Bowl.

did you read the post (by IR) I was responding to?
it did not refer to this draft

"Apparently 31 teams in the NFL get on a cold streak at the end of the season every year."

reading comprehension 101

Randy White
04-27-2012, 01:51 PM
not many good teams have gone on a 17 year 'cold streak'?

Then OBVIOUSLY you don't know the history of the NFL.

nickjamesw43
04-27-2012, 04:00 PM
have you played baseball?

ever seen/made a spectacular catch?

it is usually one of the best fielders that makes the "lucky" or impossible catch

bad fielders never do that

know why?

because they are fundamentally sound
because they are in position for the "good luck" to happen

for the "ball to bounce your way" you have to be fundamentally sound, build the team the right way, so you are in position for the "good luck"

when you keep going for the shiny toy instead of the grunt in the trenches, it shows up in december and january and yo uare left talking about stuff like chemistry and luck and the cyclical nature of the league

it is not a coincidence that pats, steelers, and giants are doing well

it is not pixie dust

This is a terrible example. Derek Jeter for instance has made a number of spectacular defensive plays in his career. However in actuality he is a below average defensive shortstop. He simply let's more balls through then other shortstops do overall.

If you study the topic in any length you will find that clutchness as a skill does not exist and much of what we attribute to clutchness is actually random statistical chance.

the_h0wey
04-27-2012, 05:40 PM
:hammer:


And something else that wasn't included in your report:

Lombardi put ALL of those clowns, including Hitzgues who I really have alot of respect for, in their places when he said: " The Cowboys don't have as many holes as you guys think they do .. "

Since the drafted started, the Ticket crew have been harping about " the many holes " the Cowboys have on their roster. They've been making it sound like if Dallas has a strainer for a roster at Valley Ranch. Then when the trade went down, Norm immediately went to: " but now we don't have a 2nd round pick, oh lordi lord what are we going to do ? "

My question to him ( and to those who are saying the same thing ) right off the bat would be:

" If the Cowboys have this many holes, tell me exactly how many of them would A 2nd round pick fill ? "

I love Norm and agree with him on a lot of things. I did find it funny that Norm seemed upset that the Cowboys traded up yesterday. He may just have been ticked off that he did a whole bunch of research and work to only be dead wrong about what the Cowboys did.

fishspill
04-27-2012, 06:21 PM
I love Norm and agree with him on a lot of things. I did find it funny that Norm seemed upset that the Cowboys traded up yesterday. He may just have been ticked off that he did a whole bunch of research and work to only be dead wrong about what the Cowboys did.

I get where he was coming from. I was frustrated yet happy with the pick too. Happy we got a blue chip talent. Frustrated that it made me face, with no uncertainty, that the 2008 draft was abysmal.