Can I be the first to say this was a lame draft?

[Awakened]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

You were not the first and you will not be the last.

[SDogo]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

Thanks for sharing.

[Manwiththeplan]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

can you be the first? can you build a time machine?:lmao2:

[Awakened]

You were not the first and you will not be the last.

What say you, venerable one?

[RS12]

It is hard to overcome not having a second rounder. Would you or anybody trade a second rounder to have what is likely a pro bowl first rounder?

[Phrozen Phil]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

You can say whatever you like. It won't necessarily make it true. We might want to actually see them play football first.

[Afigueroa22]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.


With two QB's breaking Dan Marino's passing record last year you think us taking the top CB prospect to come out in years was lame?

[brooksey1]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.


I think we did very well. I was suprised at the Matt Johnson pick but after watching him, listening to him and learning that they had him in for a visit, he also visited Chi and Philly, maybe we had to step up and grab him in the 4th!

[Yuma Cactus]

It is hard to overcome not having a second rounder. Would you or anybody trade a second rounder to have what is likely a pro bowl first rounder?
I truly expect more than one All-Pro teams for MO. So yes, a 1st and 2nd for him.

[BrAinPaiNt]

What say you, venerable one?

I say that most will not like the grades the draft or media gurus will give us for this draft and if we do get a good grade beyond Mo, I will be shocked.

But grades and opinions mean nothing....what means something is how the players play once they get a chance to play.

[silverbear]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

Here's betting you don't know jack about any of the players the Cowboys drafted...

[Staxxxx]

Can I be the first to say this was a lame draft? Nope. Been done here already. Might be able to do it in a Skins or Seahawks forum if you hurry though.

[theogt]

Love Love Love this draft. I couldn't be more excited to tell you the truth.

[a_minimalist]

No, but you can be the first to stop complaining about a pretty successful draft. Hopefully you'll start a trend!

[JustDezIt]

is this the fading guy?

[5Stars]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

Can I be the first to say that I couldn't care less what you think?

Go back to sleep...


:cool:

[Awakened]

Love Love Love this draft. I couldn't be more excited to tell you the truth.

Seriously? Tell me why you're so excited. I'm all ears.

[SDogo]

Seriously? Tell me why you're so excited. I'm all ears.

Wait, you come here laying down a general statement but want everyone else to waste their time defending theirs?

How about you go first and I'll follow up Jr. Don't start something you have no intention or ability to finish.

[Awakened]

Wait, you come here laying down a general statement but want everyone else to waste their time defending theirs?

How about you go first and I'll follow up Jr. Don't start something you have no intention or ability to finish.

I was specific. I said NONE of the players after Claiborne excite me, with the possible exception of the TE. I think Crawford is an OK pick that might turn into something. I think we got nothin 3rd, 4th, 5th pick.

[theogt]

Seriously? Tell me why you're so excited. I'm all ears.Which player? You want me to run through them all? The only one I'm cold on is Wilber.

[SDogo]

I was specific. I said NONE of the players after Claiborne excite me, with the possible exception of the TE. I think Crawford is an OK pick that might turn into something. I think we got nothin 3rd, 4th, 5th pick.

Water is wet because it is water.

[Awakened]

Water is wet because it is water.

Dang it, I thought we were going to have an adult conversation.

[SDogo]

Which player? You want me to run through them all? The only one I'm cold on is Wilber.

DOn't justify it man. If he came here with some statements besides, "I dont like it" and explained why he does not like player A, B or C it would of been commendable and respectable and deserved an educated response. Thus this is not the situation. Your going to spend a lot of time giving an informed response and it's going to fall on deaf ears with no response.

[theogt]

DOn't justify it man. If he came here with some statements besides, "I dont like it" and explained why he does not like player A, B or C it would of been commendable and respectable and deserved an educated response. Thus this is not the situation. Your going to spend a lot of time giving an informed response and it's going to fall on deaf ears with no response.Eh...I think he just doesn't know anything about any of these players, so is underwhelmed. Once you learn about them, it's easy to get excited.

[Shinywalrus]

Which player? You want me to run through them all? The only one I'm cold on is Wilber.

This is actually almost exactly where I'm at.

I worry about Wilber, and I wonder at the placement (not necessarily the selection, since I don't know enough about them) of some of the others.

But do the players themselves worry me, do I feel like we left incredible value on the board? I'm questioning myself since half the guys I was screaming for us missing out on are still on the board as we move into the 7th round.

I feel pretty good.

[basstapp]

the only reason you dont like the draft is because they drafted people you did not know. Nobody knew who tom brady was or victor cruz was and look how they turned out. I have no problem drafting people with high motors and dedication.

[SDogo]

Dang it, I thought we were going to have an adult conversation.

You set the tone.

[BEMYDADJERRY]

can u be the first when these guys pan out and do well for us to say your a negative nancy and know diddly about talent?

[VACowboy]

This is actually almost exactly where I'm at.

I worry about Wilber, and I wonder at the placement (not necessarily the selection, since I don't know enough about them) of some of the others.

But do the players themselves worry me, do I feel like we left incredible value on the board? I'm questioning myself since half the guys I was screaming for us missing out on are still on the board as we move into the 7th round.

I feel pretty good.

I think many of us can say the same.

[Awakened]

Which player? You want me to run through them all? The only one I'm cold on is Wilber.

You mean the guy we picked over Greg Childs, whom we wanted?

Can you honestly tell me your excited about Johnson and Coale?

[Arch Stanton]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

Who woke you up?

[LOBO7]

Pumped alot of youth into the defense. You have to think Ryan had some say in this. I cant wait to see these guys come together.
The TE has speed that makes him dangerous. I think he could find himself with a few plays. Speed will make those Eagle lbs play honest.
A late rounder that not only makes the team but finds his way on the field.

[Awakened]

can u be the first when these guys pan out and do well for us to say your a negative nancy and know diddly about talent?

Yes, I will do that. I've done it before.

I thought Marcus Spears was going to be awesome - that's the first thing that pops in my head. There have been others.

[a_minimalist]

You mean the guy we picked over Greg Childs, whom we wanted?

Can you honestly tell me your excited about Johnson and Coale?

Umm I love Greg Childs and wanted him very badly but we never wanted him. And if "we" did the fans wouldn't know for sure. I'm very happy with Johnson and Coale. Did you think we would get Blackmon and Barron in the 4th and 5th?

[VACowboy]

You mean the guy we picked over Greg Childs, whom we wanted?

Can you honestly tell me your excited about Johnson and Coale?

Coale: HELL yes. Have you seen him play or even read/listened to what any of the "experts" has to say.

Johnson: I'd never heard of him, much less seen him play, but after five minutes of research I see that he's a high character guy with top-notch measurables and excellent production, albeit at a small school. So I'm cautiously quite optimistic and reserving all judgement til I see him play.

[theogt]

You mean the guy we picked over Greg Childs, whom we wanted?

Can you honestly tell me your excited about Johnson and Coale?Yes, I can tell you I'm excited about both of them. Tremendous athletes. I think they both get a good bit of playing time this year.

Drew Broylhart had Coale as a 1st round caliber player. He immediately fills a role as a slot receiver. I love guys like Johnson. Fantastic athlete and really looks like a man among boys at his level. He's exactly the type of guy you want at what is essentially a high 5th round pick.

[CowboyChris]

this draft will ultimately come down to what we get out of Claibourne. there is no telling after him who might pan out and who doesnt. but if Claibourne busts this draft will bust.

[jjktkk]

Yes, I will do that. I've done it before.

I thought Marcus Spears was going to be awesome - that's the first thing that pops in my head. There have been others.

So you enjoy being ridiculed on here. Now I get why you started this thread.

[fanfromvirginia]

You mean the guy we picked over Greg Childs, whom we wanted?

Can you honestly tell me your excited about Johnson and Coale?
I have watched Coale play many times and hell yes I am excited. This is a great pick. I would not be the least bit surprised if he's our slot receiver by opening week.

[fortdick]

Yes, I can tell you I'm excited about both of them. Tremendous athletes. I think they both get a good bit of playing time this year.

Drew Broylhart had Coale as a 1st round caliber player. He immediately fills a role as a slot receiver. I love guys like Johnson. Fantastic athlete and really looks like a man among boys at his level. He's exactly the type of guy you want at what is essentially a high 5th round pick.

Much as I hate to go along with a lawyer, I agree with Theogt on this. I think it shows our scouts did a lot of research to find these guys. People that read PFW and ESPN and decide how we should pick based on what they hear are the ones that are disappointed.

Again, yuck, lawyers.

:)

[skinsscalper]

I'll be the first to admit that I'm underwhelmed by this draft. I'll also be the first to admit that I know little to nothing about the players selected. At this point it's just a wait and see approach. I'm hoping for the best knowing that this whole thing is a craps shoot.

Edit: Underwhelmed with the exception of the Claiborne pick. LOVED that pick!

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.

Welcome to almost every draft we have had the last few years.

[Awakened]

I hope you guys are right about Coale. It seems to me he lacks burst, but I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

[curboys]

Here's betting you don't know jack about any of the players the Cowboys drafted...

Nope, but here's betting that most of posters on this board haven't either.. Have you ???

[Canada180]

Can I be the second to say I thought this draft was lame?

I dont really but I just wanna get slapped around by every poster in the Zone.

Talk about gettin pillaried.

LOL

I guess its easy at first glance to get frustrated with this draft . Especially when we see a lot of big recognized names sittin there at each of our picks and we pull the trigger on a more obscure name.

We picked a lot of very athletic speedy players . I'm very happy with the TE . His measurables were at the top in a lot of areas.

[Awakened]

Can I be the second to say I thought this draft was lame?

I dont really but I just wanna get slapped around by every poster in the Zone.

Talk about gettin pillaried.

LOL

I guess its easy at first glance to get frustrated with this draft . Especially when we see a lot of big recognized names sittin there at each of our picks and we pull the trigger on a more obscure name.

We picked a lot of very athletic speedy players . I'm very happy with the TE . His measurables were at the top in a lot of areas.

Hey, the old gang on this board has long memories. They have disdain for me that flat out will not die. I'd probably be better off getting a new profile, but I can take it.

[preacher238]

I said this once, I will say it again...

NOT ONE OTA, NOT ONE PRACTICE, NOT ONE....and yet our draft outside of MO C is a bust filled with camp bodies only.....

Are you guys high????? Seriously??? Did someone steal your anti-depressants last night or earlier today????

Good grief, let's at least see them in OTA's and Training Camp before we label them as busts!!!!!!

Good Lord In Heaven!!!!! You guys would have probably been in line to crucify *****, because he could not run the 40 fast enough, and Barrabas was still on the draft board, and you had ***** ranked lower.........(read your Bible and learn what that meaneth!!)

[Hostile]

Hey, the old gang on this board has long memories. They have disdain for me that flat out will not die. I'd probably be better off getting a new profile, but I can take it.I don't think I've ever heard anyone say a negative thing about you.

:wink2:

[tm1119]

The comp pick was a complete waste but other than that it was a solid draft. We got a slot WR, a 2nd TE, a DE who can actually get after the QB, depth at OLB, and oh yeah, the best defensive player in the entire draft. Not to shabby at all if u ask me. Id grade it around a B- probably.

[Canada180]

Hey, the old gang on this board has long memories. They have disdain for me that flat out will not die. I'd probably be better off getting a new profile, but I can take it.

I wasnt agreeing with your post bro.

Just merely pointing out to the lynch mob that it can be frustrating at first glance to watch big name players who had been hyped for months by the machine we know and love as NFL mediots, get passed by for much lesser known commodoties. While the bigger names get picked by our opposition. As if we know something THEY dont.


I dont think this draft is lame. Just a stamp put on it by our office that says we are going for character , athletic guys.

In the end , I'm fine with that.

[SDogo]

Hey, the old gang on this board has long memories. They have disdain for me that flat out will not die. I'd probably be better off getting a new profile, but I can take it.

I have no issues with anyone not liking this draft but bring something to the table. Generally saying your underwhelmed does not qualify.

By doing that you separate yourself for they typical troll who just wants to ruffle feathers. I have no history with you so I would not have known you from Jane.

[ZBTHorton]

Everyone is inevitably going to think most drafts suck because no matter how much research we do into the draft we aren't going to know half the guys we pick. I stopped trying to even try guessing the picks after the first round because it's just silly to try and figure out what their board looks like.

That doesn't mean it's going to be great, or it isn't. But very rarely are you ever going to be super excited about a draft where we only take 1 guy in the first two rounds because those are the people you have heard of and have actual opinions about.

[EGG]

There were several apparent reaches based upon most draft boards and there was an opportunity to move up in the fourth for one of several players that should have been on their radar,,, those names were flying off the board in the early fourth and it was painful to watch! Based on that, there is reason for concern,,, but I'm willing to give Garrett and Ryan the benefit of a doubt,,, and Callahan too. I'm hoping that Callahan can save our collective arse actually.

[fanfromvirginia]

Which player? You want me to run through them all? The only one I'm cold on is Wilber.
I full on love this draft too and I am not the least bit convinced we are set on the OL. But it is clear to me that Garrett has a vision and I like it.

That doesn't mean everybody is going to work out. What it does mean is that the guys who do are going to wind up fitting into a system. Look at New England. Most of their draft picks don't work out, like any other team. But the guys who do work great.

[cdewsxzaq]

Honestly, there's only one round that I'm not crazy about: The fourth round.

I think I don't like it right now because I WANTED them to go in another direction.

I was hoping we would address the C position, but overall I'm content with this draft as of now. I'll reserve my judgements for the fourth round picks until final cuts. It seems like there are guys with a lot of upside, but that also means large potential for a bust. We'll all just have to wait and see...

[gimmesix]

I hope you guys are right about Coale. It seems to me he lacks burst, but I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

A few years ago, we had one of the slowest slot receivers in the game, Patrick Crayton. He was a good slot receiver, though, because he did an excellent job of selling his routes and displayed great hands (except on a few occasions, one really bad one included).

It's not all about burst. It's about knowing how to get open, get your hands on the ball and keep your hands on the ball.

Do I wish every Dallas receiver ran a 4.3? Sure. But great speed/burst doesn't guarantee great results.

[Randy White]

typical Group A analysis. The key phrase is " Not a single player selected excites. "

I tell you what, I agree with that phrase. I wasn't " excited " by the names of the players that were picked after Claiborne. I'll even go as far to say that I was disappointed because I believe some of this players could have been had at later round. Like everybody else, I had my " pet cats " and there were other names out there that were familiar to me and were passed on.

However, my response to their choices was NOT to say " the draft was lame ", or " those guys are clueless idiots ", or to say that MY choices would have been better. My response was to do a little background check on the players they picked, looked at the roster, and attempt to figure out their game plan. I came out with a different perspective afterwards. I'm still a little disappointed with their execution and strategy, but I cannot fault their philosophical goal. Sdogo said earlier that the common thread with this group was leadership and high character. They're all overachiever, hard workers, and have team first mentality. That's not only good, in fact, that's great on many fronts. One of the fronts is that the coaches will be able to concentrate on game planning and teaching and developing as oppossed to " character " sitting. The voices in the lockerroom will be more united under a single team goal, as oppossed to divided under different individual agendas. That, and Tom Brady, is how the Patriots have been able to be so successful and not their " draft picks collection agency ", which has failed at least half the time.

I see and understand what " Red " is trying to accomplish in Valley Ranch even if it goes against my personal philosophy, somewhat. I love big sized, big named, ubber talented offensive linemen and defensive linemen. Every year when I look at all the draft prospects, those are the positions I start with. I like big, fast, athletic receivers. I love tall, lean, DEs/OLBs who can make tackles' heads spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. I like big defensive backs ( my dream DB backfied currently resided in Seattle ) who can run and are physical. I love DTs who " shoot up the gaps and create havoc in the opponnents backfield, on their way to the QB " .. Dave Wanstead's quote. Those are the types of players that I want to draft every year. However, I understand very well that although I can probably find those types of players every year, they might not actually be the right player for the Cowboys. That's a lesson I learned after the 2007 season.

Talent alone does not equate to winning.

IMO that's been " Red's " biggest and most important message to Jerry and, to Jerry's credit, he's been completely receptive to it.

although I'm not 100% in agreement and I actually cringe when I see what's in my opinion " more talented players " get drafted by other teams, I'm starting to see what they're seeing.

[Marktui]

How can someone actually put a grade on a crop of players before they even hit the field is beyond me. It looked to me that they had a plan. To try and get more youth and athletiscism infused into the defense. Similar to Jimmy's thinking, he wanted playmakers on the field he didn't care about size or what school they came from. They wanted hard working football players that could be molded.

[DFWJC]

I full on love this draft too and I am not the least bit convinced we are set on the OL. But it is clear to me that Garrett has a vision and I like it.

That doesn't mean everybody is going to work out. What it does mean is that the guys who do are going to wind up fitting into a system. Look at New England. Most of their draft picks don't work out, like any other team. But the guys who do work great.

That's what I don't get about Norm et al. I heard them saying that after this draft it should be clear that Garrett has no say and that Jerry is making all the calls.

That's just dense. JG's mark is all over the last two drafts.

[Outlaw Heroes]

Hey, the old gang on this board has long memories. They have disdain for me that flat out will not die. I'd probably be better off getting a new profile, but I can take it.

I don't necessarily agree with your analysis of the draft, but for what it's worth I think you've handled yourself well in this thread. Regrettably, some of our less thoughtful members can't suffer an opposing viewpoint without spewing vitriol. You've managed to largely ignore them, to your credit. Happily (not only for you, but for people like me who are interested in others' views), there are those like theo and kmd who are willing (and able) to actually engage in an intelligent exchange of viewpoints.

[cowboy_ron]

Jerry shot his wad on the big move to get Caiborne. It's been going from lame to lamer ever since. Not a single player selected excites. Maybe the tight end will be good.
:bang2:

[SDogo]

typical Group A analysis. The key phrase is " Not a single player selected excites. "

I tell you what, I agree with that phrase. I wasn't " excited " by the names of the players that were picked after Claiborne. I'll even go as far to say that I was disappointed because I believe some of this players could have been had at later round. Like everybody else, I had my " pet cats " and there were other names out there that were familiar to me and were passed on.

However, my response to their choices was NOT to say " the draft was lame ", or " those guys are clueless idiots ", or to say that MY choices would have been better. My response was to do a little background check on the players they picked, looked at the roster, and attempt to figure out their game plan. I came out with a different perspective afterwards. I'm still a little disappointed with their execution and strategy, but I cannot fault their philosophical goal. Sdogo said earlier that the common thread with this group was leadership and high character. They're all overachiever, hard workers, and have team first mentality. That's not only good, in fact, that's great on many fronts. One of the fronts is that the coaches will be able to concentrate on game planning and teaching and developing as oppossed to " character " sitting. The voices in the lockerroom will be more united under a single team goal, as oppossed to divided under different individual agendas. That, and Tom Brady, is how the Patriots have been able to be so successful and not their " draft picks collection agency ", which has failed at least half the time.

I see and understand what " Red " is trying to accomplish in Valley Ranch even if it goes against my personal philosophy, somewhat. I love big sized, big named, ubber talented offensive linemen and defensive linemen. Every year when I look at all the draft prospects, those are the positions I start with. I like big, fast, athletic receivers. I love tall, lean, DEs/OLBs who can make tackles' heads spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. I like big defensive backs ( my dream DB backfied currently resided in Seattle ) who can run and are physical. I love DTs who " shoot up the gaps and create havoc in the opponnents backfield, on their way to the QB " .. Dave Wanstead's quote. Those are the types of players that I want to draft every year. However, I understand very well that although I can probably find those types of players every year, they might not actually be the right player for the Cowboys. That's a lesson I learned after the 2007 season.

Talent alone does not equate to winning.

IMO that's been " Red's " biggest and most important message to Jerry and, to Jerry's credit, he's been completely receptive to it.

although I'm not 100% in agreement and I actually cringe when I see what's in my opinion " more talented players " get drafted by other teams, I'm starting to see what they're seeing.

Nice post brother:starspin

[casmith07]

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Game%20Intros/0739e33d.gif

[cowboy_ron]

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Game%20Intros/0739e33d.gif (http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Game%20Intros/0739e33d.gif)
:laugh2:

[silverbear]

Nope, but here's betting that most of posters on this board haven't either.. Have you ???

Yeah, I think you'll find I have a bit of a rep as a draftnik around here... I probably spend 600 hours a year or more researching the draft...

Doesn't make me some kind of NFL scout, but I am a bit more informed than the average fan... the draft is a passion of mine, I kill a lot of hours studying it...

You might notice that at no time have I ever suggested that my "expert opinion" was superior to the judgement of the decision makers at Valley Ranch... unlike some of other posters in here...

[silverbear]

Hey, the old gang on this board has long memories. They have disdain for me that flat out will not die.

Who did you say you are??

Seriously, I'm one of the "old gang" on the board, and I have no memories of you...

I'd probably be better off getting a new profile, but I can take it.

If your posting style didn't change, it wouldn't make a difference...

[Bigdog24]

It is hard to overcome not having a second rounder. Would you or anybody trade a second rounder to have what is likely a pro bowl first rounder?

Considering the Cowboys Organization traded a 1st, 3rd and maybe more the eventual WR Pro Browler Roy Williams....

Its the COWBOY WAY,

[Mash]

typical Group A analysis. The key phrase is " Not a single player selected excites. "

I tell you what, I agree with that phrase. I wasn't " excited " by the names of the players that were picked after Claiborne. I'll even go as far to say that I was disappointed because I believe some of this players could have been had at later round. Like everybody else, I had my " pet cats " and there were other names out there that were familiar to me and were passed on.

However, my response to their choices was NOT to say " the draft was lame ", or " those guys are clueless idiots ", or to say that MY choices would have been better. My response was to do a little background check on the players they picked, looked at the roster, and attempt to figure out their game plan. I came out with a different perspective afterwards. I'm still a little disappointed with their execution and strategy, but I cannot fault their philosophical goal. Sdogo said earlier that the common thread with this group was leadership and high character. They're all overachiever, hard workers, and have team first mentality. That's not only good, in fact, that's great on many fronts. One of the fronts is that the coaches will be able to concentrate on game planning and teaching and developing as oppossed to " character " sitting. The voices in the lockerroom will be more united under a single team goal, as oppossed to divided under different individual agendas. That, and Tom Brady, is how the Patriots have been able to be so successful and not their " draft picks collection agency ", which has failed at least half the time.

I see and understand what " Red " is trying to accomplish in Valley Ranch even if it goes against my personal philosophy, somewhat. I love big sized, big named, ubber talented offensive linemen and defensive linemen. Every year when I look at all the draft prospects, those are the positions I start with. I like big, fast, athletic receivers. I love tall, lean, DEs/OLBs who can make tackles' heads spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. I like big defensive backs ( my dream DB backfied currently resided in Seattle ) who can run and are physical. I love DTs who " shoot up the gaps and create havoc in the opponnents backfield, on their way to the QB " .. Dave Wanstead's quote. Those are the types of players that I want to draft every year. However, I understand very well that although I can probably find those types of players every year, they might not actually be the right player for the Cowboys. That's a lesson I learned after the 2007 season.

Talent alone does not equate to winning.

IMO that's been " Red's " biggest and most important message to Jerry and, to Jerry's credit, he's been completely receptive to it.

although I'm not 100% in agreement and I actually cringe when I see what's in my opinion " more talented players " get drafted by other teams, I'm starting to see what they're seeing.

Nice one brother....great post

[JustDezIt]

Who did you say you are??

Seriously, I'm one of the "old gang" on the board, and I have no memories of you...



If your posting style didn't change, it wouldn't make a difference...

He is the guy who started this magical thread


http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67848
(http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67848)

These two guys are the future of the offensive line. Let's get them in there and see what they can do. Its unlikely they'll do worse than the guys in front of them.

and the guy who wanted to move our ten million dollar corner to safety

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235190

[Awakened]

I don't necessarily agree with your analysis of the draft, but for what it's worth I think you've handled yourself well in this thread. Regrettably, some of our less thoughtful members can't suffer an opposing viewpoint without spewing vitriol. You've managed to largely ignore them, to your credit. Happily (not only for you, but for people like me who are interested in others' views), there are those like theo and kmd who are willing (and able) to actually engage in an intelligent exchange of viewpoints.

Thanks Outlaw. I love to debate. I can even have my mind changed, especially about something as unimportant as football when compared to the rest of life. I try to never put other posters down. I've found on sports forums that those who are quick to put people down are generally impossible to have a conversation with. They are right and I'm an idiot, and there's no way I can convince them otherwise.

[tupperware]

Our draft was not very good, and I'm fading.

[CowboyMcCoy]

You were not the first and you will not be the last.

Amen.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Our draft was not very good, and I'm fading.

You and ice.. fading out again, only to return. :laugh2:

[tupperware]

You and ice.. fading out again, only to return. :laugh2:

Huuuh.

[texbumthelife]

I don't think the draft itself was lame. I think it was one of the more exciting drafts in recent memory I am ecstatic with the pick of Claiborne and think he is the player we have needed in the secondary for a long time.

That said, I am very underwhelmed by some of the pics. I love the emphasis on character that Garrett has brought but I don't think reaching for good character is any better a reason to reach. We flat-out over drafted in the middle rounds. We reached for players the front-office fell in love with.

I have watched all the highlights that I can find and read a slew of write-ups on every player we drafted and it is pretty glaring this was a "pet cat" draft.

Do all of these guys have the potential to be players? Yes, the draft is a crap-shoot. However, do I believe there may have been better options (ie options I preferred since we are ALL stating our opinions, let's be clear), yes.

Am I looking at this draft through a lens of negativity? Probably. Do I believe that lens of negativity is one that this front office has earned? Absolutely, without any remorse or regret.

I think it's about time that the holier-than-thou "wait and see" crowd backed off just a little bit and gave everyone's opinions a little room. Without differing opinions this board would be nothing more than a big circle-jerk.

[zrinkill]

is this the fading guy?

Yes .......

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

Here's betting you don't know jack about any of the players the Cowboys drafted...

:bow:

[Primetime42]

I'm fading as a fan.

[Bowdown27]

Hey you can say it was lame but we now have the bet defensive player in the 2012 draft on our roster and we added to an already stacked roster. Remember we were 1 game away from winning the division last year without carr,claiborne, connor, leach etc

[Joe Rod]

Yes .......

Even the most negative posters here are die-hard Cowboy fans at heart. Someone that comes into the forum and openly states that he is a wavering fan of the team, well, I personally would prefer they "fade" as they put it and move on. It just smacks of a bandwagon fan.

Stick with your team through thick and thin. Lose your faith in management, lose your faith in players, lose your faith in the coaches, but don't lose your faith in the Star. Don't just hang around for the good times. Be a fan.

[Risen Star]

I don't think the draft itself was lame. I think it was one of the more exciting drafts in recent memory I am ecstatic with the pick of Claiborne and think he is the player we have needed in the secondary for a long time.

That said, I am very underwhelmed by some of the pics. I love the emphasis on character that Garrett has brought but I don't think reaching for good character is any better a reason to reach. We flat-out over drafted in the middle rounds. We reached for players the front-office fell in love with.

I have watched all the highlights that I can find and read a slew of write-ups on every player we drafted and it is pretty glaring this was a "pet cat" draft.

Do all of these guys have the potential to be players? Yes, the draft is a crap-shoot. However, do I believe there may have been better options (ie options I preferred since we are ALL stating our opinions, let's be clear), yes.

Am I looking at this draft through a lens of negativity? Probably. Do I believe that lens of negativity is one that this front office has earned? Absolutely, without any remorse or regret.

I think it's about time that the holier-than-thou "wait and see" crowd backed off just a little bit and gave everyone's opinions a little room. Without differing opinions this board would be nothing more than a big circle-jerk.

The only pick I would call a reach is Matt Johnson. All the others figured where they were selected.

[fgoodwin]

Here's betting you don't know jack about any of the players the Cowboys drafted...
And that would describe me which is why I've kept my mouth shut. But one thing I do know is that anyone who criticizes Jerry will be bullied by the "regulars" in this forum until they: (1) leave; (2) shut up; or (3) adopt a more generally acceptable opinion.

[fgoodwin]

Nope, but here's betting that most of posters on this board haven't either.. Have you ???
I fall into the "most of the posters" category but I can assure you Bear does his homework. When it comes to the draft, his is one of the few opinions I consider to be informed. However slamming fellow Cowboy fans isn't his normal style (at least not as I remember it) so his question surprised me a bit.