drafting a QB at #11

[CowboyChris]

i know just about everything draft related has been discussed 1,000 of times, but suppose Alex Smith slides to 11, how can we not have to consider him there, alot of people would be totally against it, but i think the rest of the league would think we were fools to pass on him, heres my logic, everyone knows Bledsoe is a stop gap QB for us, hopefully a decent one at that, then you got Henson and Romo, personally i dont have any confidence in either one, with Henson u have a a QB with very minimal playing time, and Romo imo ranks with the Clint Stoerner's of the NFL. while Smith isnt a sure thing, i believe he is a better prospect than Henson or Romo without a doubt.

[dbair1967]

i know just about everything draft related has been discussed 1,000 of times, but suppose Alex Smith slides to 11, how can we not have to consider him there, alot of people would be totally against it, but i think the rest of the league would think we were fools to pass on him, heres my logic, everyone knows Bledsoe is a stop gap QB for us, hopefully a decent one at that, then you got Henson and Romo, personally i dont have any confidence in either one, with Henson u have a a QB with very minimal playing time, and Romo imo ranks with the Clint Stoerner's of the NFL. while Smith isnt a sure thing, i believe he is a better prospect than Henson or Romo without a doubt.

Henson was considered a much better prospect than either of the guys likely to go in round 1 this yr...

your entitled to your opinion, but Smith comes from a gimmicky spread offense and from a weak conference, those QB's generally dont succeed in the NFL

there is no way in hell this team is drafting a QB on the first day, and probably wont take one at all

David

[Yeagermeister]

I'd listen to trade offers first because QB is not our biggest need.

[Qwickdraw]

I think I like Henson's prospects better than Smith's.
If he's available at #11, I'd be thinking trade down. There would have to be some team coveting a QB that would want to seize that opportunity, should he fall. And trading down while the 2nd QB is still on the board could pay off BIG time.

[Hostile]

I'd listen to trade offers first because QB is not our biggest need.:hammer:

You basically offer to rape Miami. ;)

[Crown Royal]

Teams love to draft QBs...we could get real value to trade out of the pick, and get more players on the team.

[Nors]

What about Trading Henson draft day to Green Bay for #24
Draft Charlie Frye with that pick -

Or trading Henson for a #2 and go with Romo as Backup.

[ABQCOWBOY]

:hammer:

You basically offer to rape Miami. ;)

I don't know that I agree with this. At this point, I don't know we can say one way or the other. Really, only the team knows if we have a future QB or not. I like Henson very much but at this point, I think you have to consider taking a QB if one of the two are there.

I'm not saying discount a trade offer. I'm saying don't immediatly assume we would trade out.

[Hostile]

What about Trading Henson draft day to Green Bay for #24
Draft Charlie Frye with that pick -

Or trading Henson for a #2 and go with Romo as Backup.~flush~

We aren't looking to trade him. Oh I know, you are, but thankfully it won't happen.

[Hostile]

I don't know that I agree with this. At this point, I don't know we can say one way or the other. Really, only the team knows if we have a future QB or not. I like Henson very much but at this point, I think you have to consider taking a QB if one of the two are there.

I'm not saying discount a trade offer. I'm saying don't immediatly assume we would trade out.A QB some project as #1 falls to #11 and you listen to trade offers because the price could be sky high.

[CowboyChris]

on the other hand suppose BP were to draft Alex Smith at #11 would everybody be ok with it? then what would u think of Henson's chances then.

[Nors]

Henson was considered a much better prospect than either of the guys likely to go in round 1 this yr...

David

Thats true - but that was also 5 years ago :p:

Just like Roth last year, Charlie Frye is the best QB in this draft and will go late 1 to second round. Its not out the realm to move Henson for a late #1 or 2. Browns, Packers may be targets! ;)

[Dyluke]

Thats true - but that was also 5 years ago :p:

Just like Roth last year, Charlie Frye is the best QB in this draft and will go late 1 to second round. Its not out the realm to move Henson for a late #1 or 2. Browns, Packers may be targets! ;)

:rolleyes:

[CowboyChris]

Thats true - but that was also 5 years ago :p:

Just like Roth last year, Charlie Frye is the best QB in this draft and will go late 1 to second round. Its not out the realm to move Henson for a late #1 or 2. Browns, Packers may be targets! ;)


Nors i have no problem with your scenario, but its highly unlikely any team will give u a late 1st or 2nd for Henson, we would be lucky to get back our 3

[Crown Royal]

Thats true - but that was also 5 years ago :p:

Just like Roth last year, Charlie Frye is the best QB in this draft and will go late 1 to second round. Its not out the realm to move Henson for a late #1 or 2. Browns, Packers may be targets! ;)

You know....there is nothing wrong with thinking INSIDE the box from time to time....

[ABQCOWBOY]

What about Trading Henson draft day to Green Bay for #24
Draft Charlie Frye with that pick -

Or trading Henson for a #2 and go with Romo as Backup.

If Smith were there, then I might be OK with this. Obviously, we know you would be OK with it Nors. You've been trying to trade Henson since he signed. Having said that, if Smith or Rogers were there, I would not have a problem with taking one and trading Henson. This assumes we like one of these two better then we like Henson. If not, then makes more sense to trade the 11 for 24 plus additional choices and let them take Smith or Rogers. Bottom line, no player should be off limits at 11. No trade option should either.

[tunahelper36]

I don't think we take him at all. I'd like to see the Cowboys draft a qb at some point in the later rounds though.

[Hostile]

on the other hand suppose BP were to draft Alex Smith at #11 would everybody be ok with it? then what would u think of Henson's chances then.Yes, but it has about as much chance of happening as you or I being contacted by Jerry to take over as GM.

[Nors]

~flush~

We aren't looking to trade him. Oh I know, you are, but thankfully it won't happen.
1) You don't know that for a fact.
2) We are looking to upgrade all 53 positions.
Its an option that will come up in team meetings and on the phone draft day. Just like the great trade offers at #11 for Alex Smith.


What about Green Bay looking for a QB at #24 and Smith, Rodgers, Frye all drafted? Maybe the Price for HENSON sweetens then....... ;)

Henson is at best 2 years away from playing.....

[ABQCOWBOY]

A QB some project as #1 falls to #11 and you listen to trade offers because the price could be sky high.

This assumes we have a future franchise QB. I don't think anybody but people inside the team know this for sure. If we don't have one and there's one there, then you have to give serious consideration to taking one.

Of course, if Henson is the future as you and I hope, then that's different. Unfortunatly, there's no way for us to know that.

[ABQCOWBOY]

1) You don't know that for a fact.
2) We are looking to upgrade all 53 positions.
Its an option that will come up in team meetings and on the phone draft day. Just like the great trade offers at #11 for Alex Smith.


What about Green Bay looking for a QB at #24 and Smith, Rodgers, Frye all drafted? Maybe the Price for HENSON sweetens then....... ;)

Henson is at best 2 years away from playing.....

So is any QB we take. Honestly, it really doesn't matter because BP will not play a rookie QB unless there are no other options. Having said that, I would think that if push came to shove, Henson would be better suited to come in and play then anybody we took this year.

[Nors]

If Smith were there, then I might be OK with this. Obviously, we know you would be OK with it Nors. You've been trying to trade Henson since he signed. Having said that, if Smith or Rogers were there, I would not have a problem with taking one and trading Henson. This assumes we like one of these two better then we like Henson. If not, then makes more sense to trade the 11 for 24 plus additional choices and let them take Smith or Rogers. Bottom line, no player should be off limits at 11. No trade option should either.

I want nothing to do with Rodgers/Alex Smith at #11. If I can trade out Henson and get Frye with that pick I pull the trigger. Frye has leadership and intangibles Henson will never have.

[Nors]

So is any QB we take. Honestly, it really doesn't matter because BP will not play a rookie QB unless there are no other options. Having said that, I would think that if push came to shove, Henson would be better suited to come in and play then anybody we took this year.
Push come to shove Romo is in the mix there -

[CowboyChris]

Yes, but it has about as much chance of happening as you or I being contacted by Jerry to take over as GM.

how can u be so sure Hostile, Henson got yanked in the Bears game playing against a loser team with Krenzel at QB, with the scored tied 7-7, even on our homefield. then he was demoted to third string after that game, i dont see much confidence in Henson from BP, should i mention he never saw the field again?

[dbair1967]

What about Trading Henson draft day to Green Bay for #24
Draft Charlie Frye with that pick -

Or trading Henson for a #2 and go with Romo as Backup.

hey better idea...keep Henson and develop him, because he's eons better than those guys anyway

David

[LA=Pancakemaker]

NO no NO no NOOOOOOOOOOO!

[dbair1967]

on the other hand suppose BP were to draft Alex Smith at #11 would everybody be ok with it? then what would u think of Henson's chances then.

you can suppose this all you want, but if your hopes are for taking a QB this yr your gonna be highly disappointed

David

[Hostile]

how can u be so sure Hostile, Henson got yanked in the Bears game playing against a loser team with Krenzel at QB, with the scored tied 7-7, even on our homefield. then he was demoted to third string after that game, i dont see much confidence in Henson from BP, should i mention he never saw the field again?Parcells gave one interview this off season and in it he expressed confidence in Henson.

In almost every interview he's given Jerry has said Henson is the future at QB.

Should I ignore that in favor of something else?

[dbair1967]

Thats true - but that was also 5 years ago :p:

Just like Roth last year, Charlie Frye is the best QB in this draft and will go late 1 to second round. Its not out the realm to move Henson for a late #1 or 2. Browns, Packers may be targets! ;)

Nors, we're not trading Henson

David

[Hostile]

1) You don't know that for a fact.
2) We are looking to upgrade all 53 positions.
Its an option that will come up in team meetings and on the phone draft day. Just like the great trade offers at #11 for Alex Smith.


What about Green Bay looking for a QB at #24 and Smith, Rodgers, Frye all drafted? Maybe the Price for HENSON sweetens then....... ;)

Henson is at best 2 years away from playing.....I may not know it for a fact but I'd put money on it and give you great odds. I don't think your scenario has one hope in hell of happening.

[CowboyChris]

you can suppose this all you want, but if your hopes are for taking a QB this yr your gonna be highly disappointed

David

dbair we've argued too much in the past, what makes you think Henson is the answer, i really wish i knew. you keep referring to 5 years ago he mightve been selected ahead of Vick, if u stop and think about it, that was 5 years, the way i see it he is at least 5 years behind now.

[dbair1967]

1)

Henson is at best 2 years away from playing.....

any QB we draft would be at least that away from playing too...Bledsoe's starting this yr and if he plays well probably next yr too

I really dont get the negative Henson stuff from the mostly Carterites crowd...dont get it at all

David

[Crown Royal]

Push come to shove Romo is in the mix there -

No he isn't. I spent a week watching him in TC, 4 preseason games, etc. He is not a starting NFL QB. Just the way it is. Get back in the box for a while, it'll do you good.

[dbair1967]

dbair we've argued too much in the past, what makes you think Henson is the answer, i really wish i knew. you keep referring to 5 years ago he mightve been selected ahead of Vick, if u stop and think about it, that was 5 years, the way i see it he is at least 5 years behind now.

how could he be 5 yrs behind when he's been with the team since March of last yr? He's there studying, working out and running the offense daily...not sure where some of you get this "but Henson's way behind" crap...that might have been the case last yr when we traded for him, but not today

I think Henson's the answer based on what I saw him do in a psuedo prostyle attack against major competition at Michigan...I like his size, athletic ability arm and smarts

David

[ABQCOWBOY]

I want nothing to do with Rodgers/Alex Smith at #11. If I can trade out Henson and get Frye with that pick I pull the trigger. Frye has leadership and intangibles Henson will never have.

What you want is irrelivant. It only matters what the team views as the right move.

Your opinion on Henson is baseless. You don't know what intangibles he does or does not have.

I personally believe that Frye is not all that. He does't have better feet then Henson. He does not have a better arm. Frye is a nice prospect but I don't think he's physically better then what you have in Henson.

[Crown Royal]

how could he be 5 yrs behind when he's been with the team since March of last yr? He's there studying, working out and running the offense daily...not sure where some of you get this "but Henson's way behind" crap...that might have been the case last yr when we traded for him, but not today

I think Henson's the answer based on what I saw him do in a psuedo prostyle attack against major competition at Michigan...I like his size, athletic ability arm and smarts

David

Last paragraph was great. The prostyle offense at Michigan just creates good QB play. Henson has potential....I won't endorse him until I feel he can overcome the hiatus, and that will have to wait (I have all the patience in the world). But I wouldn't trade him away just because Rogers and Smith are around.....

[CowboyChris]

how could he be 5 yrs behind when he's been with the team since March of last yr? He's there studying, working out and running the offense daily...not sure where some of you get this "but Henson's way behind" crap...that might have been the case last yr when we traded for him, but not today

I think Henson's the answer based on what I saw him do in a psuedo prostyle attack against major competition at Michigan...I like his size, athletic ability arm and smarts

David

what about that unorthodox throwing motion? you like that? and btw im not a Carterite!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Push come to shove Romo is in the mix there -

If you say so Nors. Me, I think Romo shows something this year or he's gone.

[Shuttemdown41]

Oh, of course, it all makes sense now.

Green Bay will now trade the #24 pick in the draft for Henson, when they could have had him for the same 3rd rounder Dallas paid a year ago. Yeah, that adds up. :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact, ALL the other 30 teams could have had him, and now they are willing to pony up for the guy? And pony up even more than they could have originally had him for? 1 + 1 just isn't giving me 2 here.

[Crown Royal]

what about that unorthodox throwing motion? you like that? and btw im not a Carterite!

Aikman, Elway, Gannon....those are 3 unorthodox throwing motions....

Testaverde, Bledsoe, Jeff George....textbook mechanics.

Not to say that there aren't other combos - plenty of fundamental Qbs win SBs and plenty don't.......but that is a weak assessment of Henson's ability....

[ABQCOWBOY]

what about that unorthodox throwing motion? you like that? and btw im not a Carterite!

I don't see the unorthodox throwing motion as being all that prevelint. In fact, I don't think anybody can say where Henson's mechanics are at right now.

[CowboyChris]

Aikman, Elway, Gannon....those are 3 unorthodox throwing motions....

Testaverde, Bledsoe, Jeff George....textbook mechanics.

Not to say that there aren't other combos - plenty of fundamental Qbs win SBs and plenty don't.......but that is a weak assessment of Henson's ability....

crown, there is no simularities between Henson's throwing motion to Aikman or Elway, you might make a case for Bernie Kosar though

[Crown Royal]

I don't see the unorthodox throwing motion as being all that prevelint. In fact, I don't think anybody can say where Henson's mechanics are at right now.

In TC, he was a windup thrower. It slows his release, and if he is moving can create accuracy issues. But I don't think it is something that is going to affect his efficacy in the league. Other factors maybe, but not his throwing motion...

[Crown Royal]

crown, there is no simularities between Henson's throwing motion to Aikman or Elway, you might make a case for Bernie Kosar though

Not in the motion persay, but all had unorthodox windup and releases. The mechanics aren't as important as the ability to throw, which Henson has proven to have.....

[ABQCOWBOY]

In TC, he was a windup thrower. It slows his release, and if he is moving can create accuracy issues. But I don't think it is something that is going to affect his efficacy in the league. Other factors maybe, but not his throwing motion...

His throwing motion changed from TC to the Bears first half. No possible way anybody outside of the team can say what that motion looks like at this point. Hell, it might look like Kent Tekulve's right now but I doubt it.

[CowboyChris]

the point of this thread was, "if" some how Alex Smith were to slide to #11 should we consider it? i must say that probably isnt going to happen, but if you carefully look at our QB's, there isnt any reason why we shouldnt take him in my opinion. again personally im not at all happy with the 3 QB's on our current roster.

[Crown Royal]

His throwing motion changed from TC to the Bears first half. No possible way anybody outside of the team can say what that motion looks like at this point. Hell, it might look like Kent Tekulve's right now but I doubt it.

Absolutely it changed....but the comparison is hard. He threw only a few passes in the Bears game....while in TC he was comfortable and threw often.

I judge this subject incomplete....

[dbair1967]

what about that unorthodox throwing motion? you like that? and btw im not a Carterite!

its not THAT unorthodox...its not Kosar or Phillip Rivers unorthodox

and Sean Payton has been working with him almost daily, I think he's gonna be a vastly different looking player come preseason

the development between yr one and yr two is regarded by some as the biggest leap in a QB's development

David

[tunahelper36]

Well since 1994 to 2004 we drafted two QB's

Quincy Carter

Ralph Hunter

We should at least explore the qb situation some time. Maybe not now in the first, considering what we have now. But we had our chances and failed miserablly

[Hostile]

Oh, of course, it all makes sense now.

Green Bay will now trade the #24 pick in the draft for Henson, when they could have had him for the same 3rd rounder Dallas paid a year ago. Yeah, that adds up. :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact, ALL the other 30 teams could have had him, and now they are willing to pony up for the guy? And pony up even more than they could have originally had him for? 1 + 1 just isn't giving me 2 here.:clap:

:D

[CowboyChris]

its not THAT unorthodox...its not Kosar or Phillip Rivers unorthodox

and Sean Payton has been working with him almost daily, I think he's gonna be a vastly different looking player come preseason

the development between yr one and yr two is regarded by some as the biggest leap in a QB's development

David


given our current situation and what we have on our roster, lets hope u are right that Henson makes a big leap from year 1 to year 2.

[Doomsday101]

The QB's in this draft are about the least talked about QB prospect I have seen in a draft, I'm seeing no one out there singing the praises on any of these guys this has to be the weakest group of QB's at least on paper that I can remember.

[Hostile]

The QB's in this draft are about the least talked about QB prospect I have seen in a draft, I'm seeing no one out there singing the praises on any of these guys this has to be the weakest group of QB's at least on paper that I can remember.You know, a lot of truth in that. However, if Leinart had come out I think we'd all be sick of him by now, a la Eli last year.

[CowboyChris]

The QB's in this draft are about the least talked about QB prospect I have seen in a draft, I'm seeing no one out there singing the praises on any of these guys this has to be the weakest group of QB's at least on paper that I can remember.

i disagree we could have 2 QB's go 1-2 in this draft, and several other intriguing prospects...Campbell, Frye, Orton, Orvolsky, Walter, everyone is so DE/LB crazed they are getting overlooked on this board.

[Doomsday101]

You know, a lot of truth in that. However, if Leinart had come out I think we'd all be sick of him by now, a la Eli last year.

True, Leinart would be the one the media would be talking about and the 9ers would be looking to take him with the overall #1. As it stands now there are big doubts that the 9ers will go after any of the QB's with the #1 and my guess is Edwards will be the one the 9ers take.

[k19]

Nailed it Hos and Dooms. Not only is no one talking about them they are talking about trading down to get away from them. Don't care what anyone says I'll stick with Jason Campbell in the long run

[Chief]

IMO, Henson's motion looks unorthodox because of how he positions his lower body when he throws. He doesn't look bad at all from the waist up.

But his feet are far, far apart when he throws. He's so low to the ground, he almost looks like a sniper.

I still like the guy, though, and wished we could have seen more of him since the season was a complete waste in December anyway.

Lot of good starting Vinny did.

[blindzebra]

Well since 1994 to 2004 we drafted two QB's

Quincy Carter

Ralph Hunter

We should at least explore the qb situation some time. Maybe not now in the first, considering what we have now. But we had our chances and failed miserablly

Ralph Hunter is PETE Hunter a CB.:rolleyes:

[jobberone]

:clap:

:D

You beat me to it.

Nors, if someone wants to give us a first for Henson because someone put the root on them (Carolina lowcountry voodoo) then I'm all for it.

But it ain't gonna happen. But I really love your vivid imagination. Seriously.

[Doomsday101]

i disagree we could have 2 QB's go 1-2 in this draft, and several other intriguing prospects...Campbell, Frye, Orton, Orvolsky, Walter, everyone is so DE/LB crazed they are getting overlooked on this board.

We could see 2 QB go high the point is none are getting much press which is unusual heading into the draft where even guys like Heath Shuler in the past was getting a lot of press. Granted he did not pan out just pointing out the lack of attention these QB prospects are getting and the doubts that many have on any of these guys turning into franchise QB.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Absolutely it changed....but the comparison is hard. He threw only a few passes in the Bears game....while in TC he was comfortable and threw often.

I judge this subject incomplete....

I agree 100%. No way to tell at this point.

To be continued I think.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The QB's in this draft are about the least talked about QB prospect I have seen in a draft, I'm seeing no one out there singing the praises on any of these guys this has to be the weakest group of QB's at least on paper that I can remember.

Not sure I agree with this Dooms. I actually think that overall, this is a pretty good QB class. I don't think it compares with the last two drafts but that doesn't mean it's bad.

To be honest, the only reason I don't think there is much talk about the QBs is because were Cowboys fans. I believe that most Cowboys fans believe we have our QB position situated. If Carter were still here or Henson weren't on the roster or Bledsoe had not been signed, I think this board would be full of discussion of these QBs.

JMO

[Doomsday101]

Not sure I agree with this Dooms. I actually think that overall, this is a pretty good QB class. I don't think it compares with the last two drafts but that doesn't mean it's bad.

To be honest, the only reason I don't think there is much talk about the QBs is because were Cowboys fans. I believe that most Cowboys fans believe we have our QB position situated. If Carter were still here or Henson weren't on the roster or Bledsoe had not been signed, I think this board would be full of discussion of these QBs.

JMO

I'm not saying that just as a Cowboys fan I watch and listen from many different sources and I'm just not seeing any of these QB being highly touted. Now because teams are desperate in finding quality QB I have no doubt we will see 2 QB's go in round 1 but again just not hearing the praises of this QB group as I have in most every other draft I can remember. This does not mean that 1 or 2 QB prove themselves as franchise QB but currently not a lot of talk about how great they are.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not saying that just as a Cowboys fan I watch and listen from many different sources and I'm just not seeing any of these QB being highly touted. Now because teams are desperate in finding quality QB I have no doubt we will see 2 QB's go in round 1 but again just not hearing the praises of this QB group as I have in most every other draft I can remember. This does not mean that 1 or 2 QB prove themselves as franchise QB but currently not a lot of talk about how great they are.

I think that part of it is because you got one from Utah (Practically no media converage) and one from the left coast, historically not as media friendly as guys from the East. The fact that there really are not any QBs from the East, lends to this, IMO. However, I think your point is well taken. These QBs don't have the star potential, if you will, of a Manning, a Carr or Vick had.

[CanadaBoys]

i know just about everything draft related has been discussed 1,000 of times, but suppose Alex Smith slides to 11, how can we not have to consider him there, alot of people would be totally against it, but i think the rest of the league would think we were fools to pass on him, heres my logic, everyone knows Bledsoe is a stop gap QB for us, hopefully a decent one at that, then you got Henson and Romo, personally i dont have any confidence in either one, with Henson u have a a QB with very minimal playing time, and Romo imo ranks with the Clint Stoerner's of the NFL. while Smith isnt a sure thing, i believe he is a better prospect than Henson or Romo without a doubt.

Been said 1000x already i bet but i don't feel like reading responses...

The Bottom line is that if a top QB drops than it's time for trades baby. We don't need a QB, but lots of teams would like him there... so we would get MAX value for our #11.

Henson has talent and just needs time, even if he doesn't work out... this is NOT the time to give up on him with all that invested....

Trade down get a coup of picks/players and laugh our way to the bank.

[Thick 'N Hearty]

i know just about everything draft related has been discussed 1,000 of times, but suppose Alex Smith slides to 11, how can we not have to consider him there, alot of people would be totally against it, but i think the rest of the league would think we were fools to pass on him, heres my logic, everyone knows Bledsoe is a stop gap QB for us, hopefully a decent one at that, then you got Henson and Romo, personally i dont have any confidence in either one, with Henson u have a a QB with very minimal playing time, and Romo imo ranks with the Clint Stoerner's of the NFL. while Smith isnt a sure thing, i believe he is a better prospect than Henson or Romo without a doubt.

I agree, I wouldn't hang my hat on Henson or Romo for the future. But, I don't think the Cowboy's QB of the future is in this draft. If JJ and BP do consider a QB this year, I hope it is McPherson. A 72-yard throw flat-footed is pretty damn good. He has tremendous speed and size for a QB and could be the best coming out this year. What hurt him was not playing more college ball.:trophy:

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree, I wouldn't hang my hat on Henson or Romo for the future. But, I don't think the Cowboy's QB of the future is in this draft. If JJ and BP do consider a QB this year, I hope it is McPherson. A 72-yard throw flat-footed is pretty damn good. He has tremendous speed and size for a QB and could be the best coming out this year. What hurt him was not playing more college ball.:trophy:

No, gambling hurt him. Lets make no mistake about that.

[dbair1967]

given our current situation and what we have on our roster, lets hope u are right that Henson makes a big leap from year 1 to year 2.

if he does great, but they signed Bledsoe presumably to start, so he doesnt have to look like an allpro either to warrant being the future QB

but I do believe he'll look alot different in preseason this yr

David

[dbair1967]

IMO, Henson's motion looks unorthodox because of how he positions his lower body when he throws. He doesn't look bad at all from the waist up.

But his feet are far, far apart when he throws. He's so low to the ground, he almost looks like a sniper.

I still like the guy, though, and wished we could have seen more of him since the season was a complete waste in December anyway.

Lot of good starting Vinny did.

good post Chief

totally agree...Parcells must have been high as a kite to waste December, especially the last two games, on VT

David

[Jersey]

Drafting a QB @ #11 is THE dumbest thing I've heard. Especially since none of the QB's available are half as talented as Henson. Maybe we should package our entire draft and trade up to #1 to take the best placeholder available. That's on par, but still not as dumb.

[Chuck 54]

i know just about everything draft related has been discussed 1,000 of times, but suppose Alex Smith slides to 11, how can we not have to consider him there, alot of people would be totally against it, but i think the rest of the league would think we were fools to pass on him, heres my logic, everyone knows Bledsoe is a stop gap QB for us, hopefully a decent one at that, then you got Henson and Romo, personally i dont have any confidence in either one, with Henson u have a a QB with very minimal playing time, and Romo imo ranks with the Clint Stoerner's of the NFL. while Smith isnt a sure thing, i believe he is a better prospect than Henson or Romo without a doubt.
won't happen chris, but I like you're thinking because contrary to what these guys say, Henson was NOT a better prospect than the QB's available at the top this year, or any year. These guys are still hanging on to media opinions from guys who thought Henson, had he stayed in school, would have been the top QB in HIS draft class. They refuse to admit that it means freakin' nothing...he didn't stay in school, didn't stay in football, but did play baseball instead. He is NOT a top prospect...period...it is idiocy to say he is.

Would Houston have unloaded him for a 3rd round pick if he was truly even the equal to the two QB's who are coming out this year with their college readiness program behind them? Of course not...do you think either of these two guys could be had for a 3rd round pick? Does anyone think that Henson could have come out after playing 6-7 college games as the starter and been among the top 3 overall selections in the draft? I defy anyone to find a credible source that says that....Henson was expected to be the best QB in his class if he'd kept playing football at Michigan.

I'm so sick of the Henson crap...like we have found our QB of the future...people refuse to admit that while he has a chance to develop into a quality starting QB in the NFL, he has an even greater chance from what we've seen so far of washing out and never being a starter in the NFL.

I hope this will be the first former failed baseballer to make it big in the NFL...I hope so for the Cowboys' sake...but to say he's an equal prospect to Rogers or Smith is just as stupid as saying he was the equal to Leftwich or Palmer, Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman or any other QB rated at or near the very top of his draft class.

I am sick and tired of people thinking the Cowboys never need to address the QB position, under no circumstances, no matter who's available...because, look out NFL, we have the great Drew Henson and Tony Romo wearing the STAR....hoping for the best doesn't make it so.

And before someone tries to say I'm the idiot and that Henson is superior or even equal as a prospect to Rogers or Smith, go out and try to trade the rights to Henson, even with his relatively small contract, for the right to draft either of these guys....heck, go see how many teams will even give you a #1 draft pick at the bottom of round 1 for the rights to the inexpensive and at least a little NFL experienced Henson....this whole idea of arguing that he's the equal of any QB's coming out of college last year or this year blows my mind.

[dbair1967]

won't happen chris, but I like you're thinking because contrary to what these guys say, Henson was NOT a better prospect than the QB's available at the top this year, or any year. These guys are still hanging on to media opinions from guys who thought Henson, had he stayed in school, would have been the top QB in HIS draft class. They refuse to admit that it means freakin' nothing...he didn't stay in school, didn't stay in football, but did play baseball instead. He is NOT a top prospect...period...it is idiocy to say he is.

Would Houston have unloaded him for a 3rd round pick if he was truly even the equal to the two QB's who are coming out this year with their college readiness program behind them? Of course not...do you think either of these two guys could be had for a 3rd round pick? Does anyone think that Henson could have come out after playing 6-7 college games as the starter and been among the top 3 overall selections in the draft? I defy anyone to find a credible source that says that....Henson was expected to be the best QB in his class if he'd kept playing football at Michigan.

I'm so sick of the Henson crap...like we have found our QB of the future...people refuse to admit that while he has a chance to develop into a quality starting QB in the NFL, he has an even greater chance from what we've seen so far of washing out and never being a starter in the NFL.

I hope this will be the first former failed baseballer to make it big in the NFL...I hope so for the Cowboys' sake...but to say he's an equal prospect to Rogers or Smith is just as stupid as saying he was the equal to Leftwich or Palmer, Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman or any other QB rated at or near the very top of his draft class.

I am sick and tired of people thinking the Cowboys never need to address the QB position, under no circumstances, no matter who's available...because, look out NFL, we have the great Drew Henson and Tony Romo wearing the STAR....hoping for the best doesn't make it so.

And before someone tries to say I'm the idiot and that Henson is superior or even equal as a prospect to Rogers or Smith, go out and try to trade the rights to Henson, even with his relatively small contract, for the right to draft either of these guys....heck, go see how many teams will even give you a #1 draft pick at the bottom of round 1 for the rights to the inexpensive and at least a little NFL experienced Henson....this whole idea of arguing that he's the equal of any QB's coming out of college last year or this year blows my mind.

glad your sick...we're sick too, of your garbage posts

David

[Chuck 54]

glad your sick...we're sick too, of your garbage posts

David
Well, since your manlove for Henson didn't wane when he never got any love from Parcells this year, I'm sure you'll still be praising him next year too...Bledso is here for 1 reason...Parcells won't let Henson fun this team as long as he's coach....Carter sucked, but at least he played and won some games...I wonder if Vinnie could have kept him on the bench all year too.

[jay cee]

what about that unorthodox throwing motion? you like that? and btw im not a Carterite!
What!!!! that's not possible. If your not sold on Henson, it has to be due to your prior allegiance to Carter.

What other reason would you have to doubt the chances that a qb who started about 10 collegiate games, 4 years ago could possibly become the next great Cowboy quarterback.

[dbair1967]

Well, since your manlove for Henson didn't wane when he never got any love from Parcells this year, I'm sure you'll still be praising him next year too...Bledso is here for 1 reason...Parcells won't let Henson fun this team as long as he's coach....Carter sucked, but at least he played and won some games...I wonder if Vinnie could have kept him on the bench all year too.

have you ever had a constructive post on this forum?

somebody's (ie, mods) been sleeping for a LONG time

David

[dbair1967]

Well, since your manlove for Henson didn't wane when he never got any love from Parcells this year, I'm sure you'll still be praising him next year too...Bledso is here for 1 reason...Parcells won't let Henson fun this team as long as he's coach....Carter sucked, but at least he played and won some games...I wonder if Vinnie could have kept him on the bench all year too.

well gee, Phillip Rivers must suck because he couldnt beat out Drew Brees, who the Chargers tried to give away last yr right?

did Duante Culpepper suck because he didnt start his rookie yr?

Tom Brady couldnt start as a rookie, does he suck?

Brett Favre couldnt start for the Falcons as a rookie and got traded, does/did he suck?

the next time you make a post that makes sense will be the first for you

David

[Chuck 54]

have you ever had a contructive post on this forum?

somebody's (ie, mods) been sleeping for a LONG time

David
You mean like your last two? Yea, I think I can handle that...and agreeing with someone's idea that the Cowboys should be open to drafting a QB in the right situation when a gift is provided rather than trusting the future entirely to another baseball player is constructive....and while I'm no fan of Bledso, I was very supportive of bringing him in and keeping Henson on the bench because I think he's a bust, if one can actually be a bust for a 3rd round pick.

[dbair1967]

You mean like your last two? Yea, I think I can handle that...and agreeing with someone's idea that the Cowboys should be open to drafting a QB in the right situation when a gift is provided rather than trusting the future entirely to another baseball player is constructive....and while I'm no fan of Bledso, I was very supportive of bringing him in and keeping Henson on the bench because I think he's a bust, if one can actually be a bust for a 3rd round pick.

you probably thought Aikman was a bust after a QB rating under 60 and an 0-11 record as a rookie

you probably thought Michael Irvin was a bust when his first 3 seasons were almost wasted because of injuries

you probably thought Randy White was a bust too...

David

[jay cee]

won't happen chris, but I like you're thinking because contrary to what these guys say, Henson was NOT a better prospect than the QB's available at the top this year, or any year. These guys are still hanging on to media opinions from guys who thought Henson, had he stayed in school, would have been the top QB in HIS draft class. They refuse to admit that it means freakin' nothing...he didn't stay in school, didn't stay in football, but did play baseball instead. He is NOT a top prospect...period...it is idiocy to say he is.

Would Houston have unloaded him for a 3rd round pick if he was truly even the equal to the two QB's who are coming out this year with their college readiness program behind them? Of course not...do you think either of these two guys could be had for a 3rd round pick? Does anyone think that Henson could have come out after playing 6-7 college games as the starter and been among the top 3 overall selections in the draft? I defy anyone to find a credible source that says that....Henson was expected to be the best QB in his class if he'd kept playing football at Michigan.

I'm so sick of the Henson crap...like we have found our QB of the future...people refuse to admit that while he has a chance to develop into a quality starting QB in the NFL, he has an even greater chance from what we've seen so far of washing out and never being a starter in the NFL.

I hope this will be the first former failed baseballer to make it big in the NFL...I hope so for the Cowboys' sake...but to say he's an equal prospect to Rogers or Smith is just as stupid as saying he was the equal to Leftwich or Palmer, Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman or any other QB rated at or near the very top of his draft class.

I am sick and tired of people thinking the Cowboys never need to address the QB position, under no circumstances, no matter who's available...because, look out NFL, we have the great Drew Henson and Tony Romo wearing the STAR....hoping for the best doesn't make it so.

And before someone tries to say I'm the idiot and that Henson is superior or even equal as a prospect to Rogers or Smith, go out and try to trade the rights to Henson, even with his relatively small contract, for the right to draft either of these guys....heck, go see how many teams will even give you a #1 draft pick at the bottom of round 1 for the rights to the inexpensive and at least a little NFL experienced Henson....this whole idea of arguing that he's the equal of any QB's coming out of college last year or this year blows my mind.

Excellent points Wayne. I really doubt that if Henson had declared for the NFL draft after his junior season, he would have been a 1st round pick. When people say that he was the number 1 qb of his class, they are making projections based on him coming back and having a strong senior season.

The guy has talent, but he is a project.

[Hostile]

Excellent points Wayne. I really doubt that if Henson had declared for the NFL draft after his junior season, he would have been a 1st round pick. When people say that he was the number 1 qb of his class, they are making projections based on him coming back and having a strong senior season.

The guy has talent, but he is a project."Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" --Robert Browning

[joseephuss]

Excellent points Wayne. I really doubt that if Henson had declared for the NFL draft after his junior season, he would have been a 1st round pick. When people say that he was the number 1 qb of his class, they are making projections based on him coming back and having a strong senior season.

The guy has talent, but he is a project.

I disagree. I think he would have been a 1st rounder back then. Of course, now things are different. He isn't the same QB as he was back then because he has been away from the game. Heck, he essentially became a college freshman again. He is a project for the Cowboys and one that Bill seems content on sticking with.

That is why I don't see Dallas drafting a QB in the 1st round. And while I like Alex Smith, Idon't see him as a can't miss. If he is there at 11, Dallas needs to find a trade partner. The Cowboys don't need yet another young guy brought in until they know what they have. The constant turnstile at QB prospects is annoying and is not a way to build a team.

There is also no way that Dallas trades Henson. There would be no takers. No team is going to give up a 1st, 2nd or 3rd for him. If they want a project, there are plenty they can draft.

[Wolverine]

i know just about everything draft related has been discussed 1,000 of times, but suppose Alex Smith slides to 11, how can we not have to consider him there, alot of people would be totally against it, but i think the rest of the league would think we were fools to pass on him, heres my logic, everyone knows Bledsoe is a stop gap QB for us, hopefully a decent one at that, then you got Henson and Romo, personally i dont have any confidence in either one, with Henson u have a a QB with very minimal playing time, and Romo imo ranks with the Clint Stoerner's of the NFL. while Smith isnt a sure thing, i believe he is a better prospect than Henson or Romo without a doubt.


We would be fools to draft Alex Smith. We have a good QB in Bledsoe. I dont think Parcells would be keepin Henson around if he didnt have any confidence in him.

Alex Smith might be a good QB. But really he is not the athlete Henson is. He is not as big and strong as Henson. His arm is not even anywhere close to what Hensons is.

Lets see what we have in Henson ok. If Henson figures out the NFL he can be a top QB and make throws that other QBs cant.

If Henson doesnt have what it takes there will always be othre drafts where some good QB will be there if we want to trade up for him.

[jay cee]

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" --Robert Browning
I have to tell you Hos, I don't get Browning. I'm more into Russell Simmons Def Poetry Jam.
I disagree. I think he would have been a 1st rounder back then. Of course, now things are different. He isn't the same QB as he was back then because he has been away from the game. Heck, he essentially became a college freshman again. He is a project for the Cowboys and one that Bill seems content on sticking with.

That is why I don't see Dallas drafting a QB in the 1st round. And while I like Alex Smith, Idon't see him as a can't miss. If he is there at 11, Dallas needs to find a trade partner. The Cowboys don't need yet another young guy brought in until they know what they have. The constant turnstile at QB prospects is annoying and is not a way to build a team.

There is also no way that Dallas trades Henson. There would be no takers. No team is going to give up a 1st, 2nd or 3rd for him. If they want a project, there are plenty they can draft.

Anything is possible, I just don't see it. I mean he put up good numbers, but I just don't think 9 starts will bet you drafted in the 1st round.

Did he show that much more in his 9 starts then Chris Simms did in his career.

But I could be wrong, how many collegiate games did that Marinovich guy start?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Drafting a QB @ #11 is THE dumbest thing I've heard. Especially since none of the QB's available are half as talented as Henson. Maybe we should package our entire draft and trade up to #1 to take the best placeholder available. That's on par, but still not as dumb.


In your opinion, of course.

[Chuck 54]

you probably thought Aikman was a bust after a QB rating under 60 and an 0-11 record as a rookie

you probably thought Michael Irvin was a bust when his first 3 seasons were almost wasted because of injuries

you probably thought Randy White was a bust too...

David
nope...but I will be surprised if Henson ever amounts to anything in the NFL.

[Chuck 54]

Excellent points Wayne. I really doubt that if Henson had declared for the NFL draft after his junior season, he would have been a 1st round pick. When people say that he was the number 1 qb of his class, they are making projections based on him coming back and having a strong senior season.

The guy has talent, but he is a project.
whoa....careful jay cee....if you agree with any of my worthless and nonconstructive posts, or disagree with DBlair, you are obviously not worthy of posting on this message board ;)

But thanks anyway.

[Chuck 54]

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" --Robert Browning
nice HOstile....and some posters who think their opinions are the only correct ones would "rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven"....John Milton

[Chuck 54]

I disagree. I think he would have been a 1st rounder back then. Of course, now things are different. He isn't the same QB as he was back then because he has been away from the game. Heck, he essentially became a college freshman again. He is a project for the Cowboys and one that Bill seems content on sticking with.

That is why I don't see Dallas drafting a QB in the 1st round. And while I like Alex Smith, Idon't see him as a can't miss. If he is there at 11, Dallas needs to find a trade partner. The Cowboys don't need yet another young guy brought in until they know what they have. The constant turnstile at QB prospects is annoying and is not a way to build a team.

There is also no way that Dallas trades Henson. There would be no takers. No team is going to give up a 1st, 2nd or 3rd for him. If they want a project, there are plenty they can draft.
excellent points, Joseephus, and no one here actually thinks Dallas would pick a QB in round 1, but our view is that if a top prospect somehow fell in your laps, and it was him or a DL, why not improve your chances of having one of your guys become the leader...you don't really lose anything. After next season, I'm sure SD will have an easy time finding a taker for either Brees or Rivers.

There are also teams that believe you should draft a QB somewhere in the draft every year, or every couple of years...so many drafted players wash out every year, there's a good argument for why one should gamble on the most important position on the field every year rather than just hoping you find a WR or CB who can play Special teams.

I'd have no problem taking another skilled QB on day 2 this year...if he upgrades the position by costing Romo a roster spot, then you've improved your team, the QB position, and the chance that you'll find someone who can become your QB of the future.

Won't surprise me at all to see no QB's taken...but the question is, "Why not?"...what's wrong with a McPherson in round 4 if he were there?

It doesn't mean you've given up on Henson...just that there's a good player who improves your team, your depth at the position, and your future chances.

[trickblue]

His throwing motion changed from TC to the Bears first half. No possible way anybody outside of the team can say what that motion looks like at this point. Hell, it might look like Kent Tekulve's right now but I doubt it.

10 points for mixing in the Pirate sidearm/underhanded pitcher... ;)

[Cbz40]

IMO, Henson's motion looks unorthodox because of how he positions his lower body when he throws. He doesn't look bad at all from the waist up.

But his feet are far, far apart when he throws. He's so low to the ground, he almost looks like a sniper.

I still like the guy, though, and wished we could have seen more of him since the season was a complete waste in December anyway.

Lot of good starting Vinny did.


Feet apart low to the ground Ala 3rd baseman throwing to first. The simi-side arm throwing moting also trait of an infielder.

The Brain trust are getting Henson ready to start.........They have him throwing 619 footballs through a swinging tire every day. ;)

[NumOneQB]

Henson was considered a much better prospect than either of the guys likely to go in round 1 this yr...

your entitled to your opinion, but Smith comes from a gimmicky spread offense and from a weak conference, those QB's generally dont succeed in the NFL

there is no way in hell this team is drafting a QB on the first day, and probably wont take one at all

David

So Utah beats the the big, bad, BCS school and they get no respect because they come from a "weak conference"? The Mountain West is one of the best non BCS conferences in college football.

Apparently, personell directors felt these small school QB's could get teh job done in the NFL:

Favre - Southern Miss
Culpepper - Central Florida
McNair - Alcorn St.
Pennington - Marshall
Leftwich - Marshall
Rothloesberger - Miami Ohio
Delhomme - Louisiana Lafayette
Carr - Fresno St.
Gannon - Delaware
Garcia - San Jose St.
Losmon - Tulane
McCown - Sam Houston St.
Ramsey - Tulane
Warner - Northern Iowa

Not to mention Alex Smith and Charlie Frye will both go before most BCS conference QB's in this years draft.

[dbair1967]

So Utah beats the the big, bad, BCS school and they get no respect because they come from a "weak conference"? The Mountain West is one of the best non BCS conferences in college football.

Apparently, personell directors felt these small school QB's could get teh job done in the NFL:

Favre - Southern Miss
Culpepper - Central Florida
McNair - Alcorn St.
Pennington - Marshall
Leftwich - Marshall
Rothloesberger - Miami Ohio
Delhomme - Louisiana Lafayette
Carr - Fresno St.
Gannon - Delaware
Garcia - San Jose St.
Losmon - Tulane
McCown - Sam Houston St.
Ramsey - Tulane
Warner - Northern Iowa

Not to mention Alex Smith and Charlie Frye will both go before most BCS conference QB's in this years draft.

man you are grasping for straws with alot of people on this list...but how many on this list played in gimmicky spread/run and shoot style offenses? why didnt you list David Klingler and Andre Ware?

and as for Utah beating Pitt...woo hoo!! wow! the 8-3 Pitt Panthers who didnt deserve to be in that game...

David

[Hostile]

nice HOstile....and some posters who think their opinions are the only correct ones would "rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven"....John MiltonI like that one Wayne.

[CowboyChris]

won't happen chris, but I like you're thinking because contrary to what these guys say, Henson was NOT a better prospect than the QB's available at the top this year, or any year. These guys are still hanging on to media opinions from guys who thought Henson, had he stayed in school, would have been the top QB in HIS draft class. They refuse to admit that it means freakin' nothing...he didn't stay in school, didn't stay in football, but did play baseball instead. He is NOT a top prospect...period...it is idiocy to say he is.

Would Houston have unloaded him for a 3rd round pick if he was truly even the equal to the two QB's who are coming out this year with their college readiness program behind them? Of course not...do you think either of these two guys could be had for a 3rd round pick? Does anyone think that Henson could have come out after playing 6-7 college games as the starter and been among the top 3 overall selections in the draft? I defy anyone to find a credible source that says that....Henson was expected to be the best QB in his class if he'd kept playing football at Michigan.

I'm so sick of the Henson crap...like we have found our QB of the future...people refuse to admit that while he has a chance to develop into a quality starting QB in the NFL, he has an even greater chance from what we've seen so far of washing out and never being a starter in the NFL.

I hope this will be the first former failed baseballer to make it big in the NFL...I hope so for the Cowboys' sake...but to say he's an equal prospect to Rogers or Smith is just as stupid as saying he was the equal to Leftwich or Palmer, Peyton Manning or Troy Aikman or any other QB rated at or near the very top of his draft class.

I am sick and tired of people thinking the Cowboys never need to address the QB position, under no circumstances, no matter who's available...because, look out NFL, we have the great Drew Henson and Tony Romo wearing the STAR....hoping for the best doesn't make it so.

And before someone tries to say I'm the idiot and that Henson is superior or even equal as a prospect to Rogers or Smith, go out and try to trade the rights to Henson, even with his relatively small contract, for the right to draft either of these guys....heck, go see how many teams will even give you a #1 draft pick at the bottom of round 1 for the rights to the inexpensive and at least a little NFL experienced Henson....this whole idea of arguing that he's the equal of any QB's coming out of college last year or this year blows my mind.

wayne i couldnt agree more with you, that is an excellent post, although the truth hurts to the Henson fans, facts are facts! but like all the rest of us if we decide to stand pat with this current trio of QB's we'll just have to support them and hope we are wrong. we screwed up a couple years ago by passing on Leftwich and taking Newman, but hey what do i know.

[CowboyChris]

you probably thought Aikman was a bust after a QB rating under 60 and an 0-11 record as a rookie

you probably thought Michael Irvin was a bust when his first 3 seasons were almost wasted because of injuries

you probably thought Randy White was a bust too...

David

you probably wondered the same too David, you couldnt have had any idea how they were gonna turn out.