In the Spirit of Ipod One....

[jterrell]

throw down a playlist or two for us.
make yourself the target of wisecrax and chicanery but also give us insight iinto what ails you. lol

I am buying an Ipod Shuffle if I ever get a day off. I need something portable for when I am whacking keys at work. Anyone with experience taking their mp3 collection and getting it set up in itunes is also quite appreciated.

[BrAinPaiNt]

throw down a playlist or two for us.
make yourself the target of wisecrax and chicanery but also give us insight iinto what ails you. lol

I am buying an Ipod Shuffle if I ever get a day off. I need something portable for when I am whacking keys at work. Anyone with experience taking their mp3 collection and getting it set up in itunes is also quite appreciated.


I don't know much about Ipod...A couple years back I got a cd/mp3 player.

I just burned MP3's to a CD and played them on it.

I could put a HUGE amount of songs on one CD that way (in mp3 format instead of the wav format for normal cds).

Plus the thing plays regular CDs.

To be honest, unless you plan on jogging or something where you are moving a great deal, I would rather go with the mp3/cd player.

If you have a cd burner in your computer you just get all of your songs you want, open up the burning software, choose data cd option and then burn all of your songs to a cd.

[joseephuss]

throw down a playlist or two for us.
make yourself the target of wisecrax and chicanery but also give us insight iinto what ails you. lol

I am buying an Ipod Shuffle if I ever get a day off. I need something portable for when I am whacking keys at work. Anyone with experience taking their mp3 collection and getting it set up in itunes is also quite appreciated.

Using iTunes is very easy. Even I can do it. I got a shuffle a month ago. It is great.

Currently, I have some Usher, Ludacris, Trick Daddy, Dido, Kelly Clarkson, Sarah MacLachlan, FouFou, The Shins, The Killers, Willie Nelson, Ray Charles, Annie Lennox, Lenny Kravitz, Thelonious Monk, Amber, The Beatles, Elvis and a couple of other things playing. Just a wide mix, I know. I haven't broken things down into any sub-sets, yet.

[trickblue]

Trick Daddy

Oh... you don't have to call me daddy... :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh... you don't have to call me daddy... :D

Well with your avatar and title...is there any wonder? :D

[jterrell]

I don't know much about Ipod...A couple years back I got a cd/mp3 player.

I just burned MP3's to a CD and played them on it.

I could put a HUGE amount of songs on one CD that way (in mp3 format instead of the wav format for normal cds).

Plus the thing plays regular CDs.

To be honest, unless you plan on jogging or something where you are moving a great deal, I would rather go with the mp3/cd player.

If you have a cd burner in your computer you just get all of your songs you want, open up the burning software, choose data cd option and then burn all of your songs to a cd.

Yea I like the protability so I can use it at work where I switch between various servers as well as a desktop, and to workout at the gym.

I have burned like 90 songs onto CD at a very high quality and that is a great option for the car. Getting head decks with mp3 is essential, IMHO.

[trickblue]

Well with your avatar and title...is there any wonder? :D

:D

..........

[jterrell]

Using iTunes is very easy. Even I can do it. I got a shuffle a month ago. It is great.

Currently, I have some Usher, Ludacris, Trick Daddy, Dido, Kelly Clarkson, Sarah MacLachlan, FouFou, The Shins, The Killers, Willie Nelson, Ray Charles, Annie Lennox, Lenny Kravitz, Thelonious Monk, Amber, The Beatles, Elvis and a couple of other things playing. Just a wide mix, I know. I haven't broken things down into any sub-sets, yet.
You are almost as eclectic and wide ranging as me, lol.
I tend toward a little hardcore but just as varied.

I was figuring on 5 playlists of 50 songs. Maybe 1 list of 90 or so lesser quality ones for if traveling. I am getting just the cheap 512mb version cause I had a 128 mb mp3 player that actually worked fine 90% of the time. Its software sucked bad tho.

[joseephuss]

You are almost as eclectic and wide ranging as me, lol.
I tend toward a little hardcore but just as varied.

I was figuring on 5 playlists of 50 songs. Maybe 1 list of 90 or so lesser quality ones for if traveling. I am getting just the cheap 512mb version cause I had a 128 mb mp3 player that actually worked fine 90% of the time. Its software sucked bad tho.

I have the 512mb and that is plenty for me. I also got a FM transmitter for the car. Obviously, the quality isn't quite as good as plugging in a CD. I just like having access to a large playlist.

[jterrell]

My playlists will assuredly feature:
Jay Z, Kid Rock, White Stripes, Green Day, Nirvana, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy, Scarface(Geto Boys), Janis Joplin, Ray Charles, Merle Haggard, Waylon Jennings, Robert Johnson w/ Eric Clapton, Red Hot Chili Peppers, No Doubt, Ice Cube, Eminem, 50 cent, The Roots, M.O.B., Dave Matthews, Black Sabbath, Nas, Paul Wall/Swisha House, Toby Keith, Pantera, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Rick James/Teena Marie, Lenny Kravitz, The Eagles, Avril Lavinge, Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Lynyrd Skynard, Biggie, Prince, Pac, ACDC, Jimmy Buffet and many more.

I have noticed the more I vary my music the more I enjoy the subtleties of each genre.

[trickblue]

Mine would look something like:

Scorpions, Eric Johnson, George Strait, Boston, Alan Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Dire Straits, Merle Haggard, Robert Johnson, Keb Mo, Nat King Cole, The Cars, Bob Marley, The Police, .38 Special, EW&F, Blue Cheer, ELO, George Jones, Bach, Steppinwolf, Sara Brightman, Chris Ledoux, Ted Nugent...

I know... I'm all over the place... :rolleyes:

[Duane]

Some of this is to cool down when I’m doing my 30-45mins of cardio:

Oingo Boingo
Barenaked Ladies
Depeche Mode
Todd Rundgren
Radiohead
The Police
Harvey Danger
Seals and Croft
Led Zeppelin
A
Faith no More
P.J. Harvey
Green Day
Helmet
Talk Talk
Metallica
The Cult
Local H
Goo Goo Dolls
Marshall Crenshaw
Mutha’s Day Out
Soundgarden
Tonic
POD
Pantera
Presidents of the United States
Tool
Iron Maiden
Replacements
AC/DC
Dr. Dre
STP
The Clash
Cake
The Eagles
The Smiths
Toto
Aerosmith
Van Halen
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Violent Femmes
Kilgore – the best version of Pantera’s walk there is
X

[junk]

I pretty much would just need these albums:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002ZB0.01._PE8_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000024JDD.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002UI8.01._PE8_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

That's right, Hammer has a greatest hits. Can't touch it.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000089JE.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Crown Royal]

Just looking at artists in my "Really Great Songs" playlist (4 stars or higher)....

Alison Kraus,
Andrew Lloyd Webber,
Anton Bruckner,
Bela Fleck,
Black Eyed Peas,
Blessid Union of Souls,
Bon Jovi, Boston,
Brian Tyler,
Carl Orff,
Carmen Consoli,
Craig Armstrong,
Creed,
The Darkness,
David Helfgott (yes...the idiot from Shine),
Destiny's Child,
The Eagles,
Enya,
Evanescence,
Ewan MacGregor and Nicole Kidman (from Moulin Rouge),
Finger Eleven,
Fleetwood Mac,
Genesis,
The Goo Goo Dolls,
Gustav Holst,
Heart,
Heitor Villalobos,
Herbie Hancock,
Igor Stravinski,
James Horner (Braveheart, NOT Titanic),
Johan Sebastian Bach,
John Hartford,
John Williams,
Josh Groban,
Journey,
Kansas,
The Killers,
The King's Singers,
Lifehouse,
Live,
Lucia Micarelli,
Maroon 5,
Outkast,
Paul Colman Trio (that's a Christian band, will vex those who know I am agnostic....),
Phil Collins,
Richard Wagner,
Rod Stewart,
Rufus Wainwright,
Rush,
Samuel Barber,
"The Soggy Bottom Boys" (O Brother Where Art Thou),
Stevie Wonder,
Styx,
U2,
Usher,
Velvet Revolver,
The Who,
William Joseph,
Yanni,
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

If you can't find something in there to fry me on, you are saintly.

[SuspectCorner]

i guess i still enjoy the challenge of changing out a cd disc at 70 mph on the night highway.

i generally roll with:

van morrison - "moondance"
rolling stones - "let it bleed"
satriani - "surfing..."
soundgarden - superunknown"
warren zevon - "the best of"
steve earle - "transcendental blues"
judybats - "pain makes you beautiful"
mad season - "above"
pixies - "doolittle"
screamin' cheetah wheelies - debut AND "magnolia" (have i mentioned i like them?)
the replacements - "tim"
spin doctors - "you've got to believe..."
stevie ray vaughn - "texas flood"
filter - "title of record"
harvey danger - "where have all the merrymakers...?"
green day - "dookie"
hoodoo gurus - "magnum cum louder"
jane's addiction - "nothing's shocking"
violent femmes - "viva wisconsin"
punk-o-rama #7
john lee hooker - "high profile"
the clash - "essential"
jet - "get born"
bb king - "why i sing the blues"
a perfect circle - "thirteenth step"
the connells - "ring"
sex pistols - "nevermind the bollocks"
blues traveller - "four"
bodeans - "joe dirt car"
L7 - "the beauty process: triple platinum"
lotion - "full isaac"
the bottle rockets - "the brooklyn side"
(and last but not least, one of my personal fave obscurities and a true 33-minute miracle of music...)
deadeye dick - "a different story"

mp3 players? where's the fun in THAT? i'm kinda sorry they don't make a good car-vinyl-LP-turntable. with a pocket for the "discwasher".

(and the list is about as alphabetized as the discs are arranged in my vehicle.)

[adbutcher]

If I were you, instead of getting an IPod, I would get a portable media player instead. That way you can enjoy both you movies and music were ever you go.

Behold
http://www.eastluna.com/hardware/images/pic/creative/856_op1.gif

As far as play list. Pretty much any "roots" reggae, some dancehall, blues, "old school" R&B, Eagles, Phil Collins, Rap, Funk, and Jazz you will have me pegged.

Here is a sampling of one of my list:
Bob Marley: No woman no cry
Burning Spear: don't kill the lion
Groundation (My new favorite Reggae Band) undivided, groundation chat, and dub
Steele Pulse: Radio, Chant a Psalm a Day,
Third World: Dreamland (one of the most beautiful songs ever)
Midnite (My second new favorite Reggae Band) southeastern moon, empress
Chacka Demus & Pliers: Bam Bam
B.B. King: the thrill is good
George Benson: Mascarade
Al Green: For the Good times, How can you mend a broken heart
George Clinton P-Funk: Atomic Dog, Flashlight, Mothership, Tear the Roof Off
Earth, Wind, and Fire: Reasons
Johnny Taylor: These Last Two Dollars, Soul Heaven
Little Milton: Steal Away
Clarance Carter: Love me with a feeling
Louis Armstrong & Ella Fitzgerald: Summertime (I love this song)
Betty Wright:
Phillis Hyman: My fu
Jill Scott: Her first album
Erica Badu
Eagles: Hotel California (Live in concert version)
Anthony Hamilton
Phil Collins: In the air tonight
War: Slipping Into Darkness (extended version)

[jterrell]

:eek: Just looking at artists in my "Really Great Songs" playlist (4 stars or higher)....

Alison Kraus,
Andrew Lloyd Webber,
Anton Bruckner,
Bela Fleck,
Black Eyed Peas,
Blessid Union of Souls,
Bon Jovi, Boston,
Brian Tyler,
Carl Orff,
Carmen Consoli,
Craig Armstrong,
Creed,
The Darkness,
David Helfgott (yes...the idiot from Shine),
Destiny's Child,
The Eagles,
Enya,
Evanescence,
Ewan MacGregor and Nicole Kidman (from Moulin Rouge),
Finger Eleven,
Fleetwood Mac,
Genesis,
The Goo Goo Dolls,
Gustav Holst,
Heart,
Heitor Villalobos,
Herbie Hancock,
Igor Stravinski,
James Horner (Braveheart, NOT Titanic),
Johan Sebastian Bach,
John Hartford,
John Williams,
Josh Groban,
Journey,
Kansas,
The Killers,
The King's Singers,
Lifehouse,
Live,
Lucia Micarelli,
Maroon 5,
Outkast,
Paul Colman Trio (that's a Christian band, will vex those who know I am agnostic....),
Phil Collins,
Richard Wagner,
Rod Stewart,
Rufus Wainwright,
Rush,
Samuel Barber,
"The Soggy Bottom Boys" (O Brother Where Art Thou),
Stevie Wonder,
Styx,
U2,
Usher,
Velvet Revolver,
The Who,
William Joseph,
Yanni,
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

If you can't find something in there to fry me on, you are saintly.

dude u have Yanni on there? :eek:

[jterrell]

i guess i still enjoy the challenge of changing out a cd disc at 70 mph on the night highway.

i generally roll with:

van morrison - "moondance"
rolling stones - "let it bleed"
satriani - "surfing..."
soundgarden - superunknown"
warren zevon - "the best of"
steve earle - "transcendental blues"
judybats - "pain makes you beautiful"
mad season - "above"
pixies - "doolittle"
screamin' cheetah wheelies - debut AND "magnolia" (have i mentioned i like them?)
the replacements - "tim"
spin doctors - "you've got to believe..."
stevie ray vaughn - "texas flood"
filter - "title of record"
harvey danger - "where have all the merrymakers...?"
green day - "dookie"
hoodoo gurus - "magnum cum louder"
jane's addiction - "nothing's shocking"
violent femmes - "viva wisconsin"
punk-o-rama #7
john lee hooker - "high profile"
the clash - "essential"
jet - "get born"
bb king - "why i sing the blues"
a perfect circle - "thirteenth step"
the connells - "ring"
sex pistols - "nevermind the bollocks"
blues traveller - "four"
bodeans - "joe dirt car"
L7 - "the beauty process: triple platinum"
lotion - "full isaac"
the bottle rockets - "the brooklyn side"
(and last but not least, one of my personal fave obscurities and a true 33-minute miracle of music...)
deadeye dick - "a different story"

mp3 players? where's the fun in THAT? i'm kinda sorry they don't make a good car-vinyl-LP-turntable. with a pocket for the "discwasher".

(and the list is about as alphabetized as the discs are arranged in my vehicle.)
some good stuff i'll have to check out on there.
i have all of SRV on mp3.

[jterrell]

If I were you, instead of getting an IPod, I would get a portable media player instead. That way you can enjoy both you movies and music were ever you go.

Behold
http://www.eastluna.com/hardware/images/pic/creative/856_op1.gif

As far as play list. Pretty much any "roots" reggae, some dancehall, blues, "old school" R&B, Eagles, Phil Collins, Rap, Funk, and Jazz you will have me pegged.

Here is a sampling of one of my list:
Bob Marley: No woman no cry
Burning Spear: don't kill the lion
Groundation (My new favorite Reggae Band) undivided, groundation chat, and dub
Steele Pulse: Radio, Chant a Psalm a Day,
Third World: Dreamland (one of the most beautiful songs ever)
Midnite (My second new favorite Reggae Band) southeastern moon, empress
Chacka Demus & Pliers: Bam Bam
B.B. King: the thrill is good
George Benson: Mascarade
Al Green: For the Good times, How can you mend a broken heart
George Clinton P-Funk: Atomic Dog, Flashlight, Mothership, Tear the Roof Off
Earth, Wind, and Fire: Reasons
Johnny Taylor: These Last Two Dollars, Soul Heaven
Little Milton: Steal Away
Clarance Carter: Love me with a feeling
Louis Armstrong & Ella Fitzgerald: Summertime (I love this song)
Betty Wright:
Phillis Hyman: My fu
Jill Scott: Her first album
Erica Badu
Eagles: Hotel California (Live in concert version)
Anthony Hamilton
Phil Collins: In the air tonight
War: Slipping Into Darkness (extended version)

al green/tendy pendgrass, luther when fat, barry white for night time recreational music for sure. but they suck for doing squats, lol.

al green is my fave raw singer of all time.

[jterrell]

If I were you, instead of getting an IPod, I would get a portable media player instead. That way you can enjoy both you movies and music were ever you go.



But i am cheap:) and cant watch the movies anyways. The mp3s are good for when I am coding something or doing system administration or playing WoW/EQ2 online. lol.

[adbutcher]

But i am cheap:) and cant watch the movies anyways. The mp3s are good for when I am coding something or doing system administration or playing WoW/EQ2 online. lol.
I am not, lol. I didn't get one yet. I waiting to get a license to build a media center PC. After I build it then I will probably get one.

WOW and EQ2 DAMMMMM! I don't know where you find the time. I have "Jade Empire" being delivered today and I probably won't be able to play it until July. After this semester one more semester and I am finally FREE!!

[adbutcher]

al green/tendy pendgrass, luther when fat, barry white for night time recreational music for sure. but they suck for doing squats, lol.

al green is my fave raw singer of all time.
That will be my second playlist. As far as working out....Rap all the way and I am talking Pac, Biggie, NWA, TI, Too Short, Ice Cube, Dre (The Chronic, best rap album ever). That will keep you krunk the entire workout.

[Yeagermeister]

al green/tendy pendgrass, luther when fat, barry white for night time recreational music for sure. but they suck for doing squats, lol.

al green is my fave raw singer of all time.

Rev Al.....his church is somewhere around my neck of the woods.

[adbutcher]

Rev Al.....his church is somewhere around my neck of the woods.
Is it in Memphis? I saw him in concert a couple of years ago and he be switching gears from gospel to r & b. Some people complain but I kinda dug it. He can still sang his arse off.

[Avery]

Start Apple rant... now.

Do not feed the Apple monster and buy an Ipod Shuffle.

First and foremost, it looks like a tampon.

Second, it has no LCD display. The Apple freaks will tell you that's good because it's one less thing to break. The rest of us will tell you that it's annoying to not be able to see your battery life, settings, etc. You have to create playlists via Itunes and import them if you want to hear them in any specific order. Apple will tell you that 'life is random' and some dimwit will proclaim Apple are geniuses once again (which they are in regards to marketing).

I won't ramble any more, I'll just say Apple has a stranglehold on the market not because their products are off the charts but because they are savvy marketers. Not to say their products are crap which they are not, very user-friendly, but their battery life has lagged behind competitors since the get-go and you can get a perfectly good MP3 player for cheaper.

I have two myself: one is a Rio Forge 256 player with an additional 512 MB SD card inside to expand the memory. I use that when I go running since it's flash-based and won't skip. I got that for $37 after rebates and some price-matching to Staples. Also note it has a FM tuner which all Apple products lack. I also have a Rio Carbon 5 GB player that is smaller than an Ipod and has better battery life and comparable sound quality for $119 after rebate. Very impressed with that.

In the end, do your research and buy what you like best.

[Yeagermeister]

Is it in Memphis? I saw him in concert a couple of years ago and he be switching gears from gospel to r & b. Some people complain but I kinda dug it. He can still sang his arse off.
It's somewhere in the Memphis area just not sure exactly where.

[jterrell]

I am not, lol. I didn't get one yet. I waiting to get a license to build a media center PC. After I build it then I will probably get one.

WOW and EQ2 DAMMMMM! I don't know where you find the time. I have "Jade Empire" being delivered today and I probably won't be able to play it until July. After this semester one more semester and I am finally FREE!!
bah to alicense.

try this: http://www.sllug.org/how-to/linux-htpc/htpc_software.html

its all free except the hardware including tivo-like recording.

i have been working 60 hours(posting for 30 of that lol) so my guys are weenies still but I can keep up with the friends.

[Yeagermeister]

Start Apple rant... now.

Do not feed the Apple monster and buy an Ipod Shuffle.

First and foremost, it looks like a tampon.

Second, it has no LCD display. The Apple freaks will tell you that's good because it's one less thing to break. The rest of us will tell you that it's annoying to not be able to see your battery life, settings, etc. You have to create playlists via Itunes and import them if you want to hear them in any specific order. Apple will tell you that 'life is random' and some dimwit will proclaim Apple are geniuses once again (which they are in regards to marketing).

I won't ramble any more, I'll just say Apple has a stranglehold on the market not because their products are off the charts but because they are savvy marketers. Not to say their products are crap which they are not, very user-friendly, but their battery life has lagged behind competitors since the get-go and you can get a perfectly good MP3 player for cheaper.

I have two myself: one is a Rio Forge 256 player with an additional 512 MB SD card inside to expand the memory. I use that when I go running since it's flash-based and won't skip. I got that for $37 after rebates and some price-matching to Staples. Also note it has a FM tuner which all Apple products lack. I also have a Rio Carbon 5 GB player that is smaller than an Ipod and has better battery life and comparable sound quality for $119 after rebate. Very impressed with that.

In the end, do your research and buy what you like best.
My creative labs nomad works just great and I don't have to deal with ITunes.

[jterrell]

Start Apple rant... now.

Do not feed the Apple monster and buy an Ipod Shuffle.

First and foremost, it looks like a tampon.

Second, it has no LCD display. The Apple freaks will tell you that's good because it's one less thing to break. The rest of us will tell you that it's annoying to not be able to see your battery life, settings, etc. You have to create playlists via Itunes and import them if you want to hear them in any specific order. Apple will tell you that 'life is random' and some dimwit will proclaim Apple are geniuses once again (which they are in regards to marketing).

I won't ramble any more, I'll just say Apple has a stranglehold on the market not because their products are off the charts but because they are savvy marketers. Not to say their products are crap which they are not, very user-friendly, but their battery life has lagged behind competitors since the get-go and you can get a perfectly good MP3 player for cheaper.

I have two myself: one is a Rio Forge 256 player with an additional 512 MB SD card inside to expand the memory. I use that when I go running since it's flash-based and won't skip. I got that for $37 after rebates and some price-matching to Staples. Also note it has a FM tuner which all Apple products lack. I also have a Rio Carbon 5 GB player that is smaller than an Ipod and has better battery life and comparable sound quality for $119 after rebate. Very impressed with that.

In the end, do your research and buy what you like best.

I do hear you. But the Ipod shuffle will cost me all of 94 bucks shipped.
It uses itunes which is a much better software solution than most and it is ideal for portability. I actually prefer using something that can be mounted as a drive in linux and the Rio line was a consideration. But I also need to be able to swap out playlists at work on the windows boxes and carry it around under a polo shirt. The earbuds work great for that tho they will offer much less bass the my Senn's.

I'll look at the Rio stuff again. I do want flash based and small/cheapish.

[adbutcher]

bah to alicense.

try this: http://www.sllug.org/how-to/linux-htpc/htpc_software.html

its all free except the hardware including tivo-like recording.

i have been working 60 hours(posting for 30 of that lol) so my guys are weenies still but I can keep up with the friends.

No offense JT but you are the first friendly Linux guy I have met. Usually they are condescending and arrogant. I tried getting some help early on and man talk about some jerks. Linux probably would gain a lot more interest if there communities treated the noobies better.

I still might look into a alternative but I still would rather have windows media pc, it is less of a hassle, imo.

[Yeagermeister]

No offense JT but you are the first friendly Linux guy I have met. Usually they are condescending and arrogant. I tried getting some help early on and man talk about some jerks. Linux probably would gain a lot more interest if there communities treated the noobies better.

I still might look into a alternative but I still would rather have windows media pc, it is less of a hassle, imo.
I tried Linux for a week on my spare pc and erased it and put windows back on it. I prefer a usable pc to a Linux one :D

[Duane]

I have a Creative Muvo TX with the FM tuner. It's a 256mb USB zip drive MP3 player and it's been great so far. I think you can pick one up at Walmart for under $80 right now.

[Crown Royal]

:eek:

dude u have Yanni on there? :eek:

Live at the Acropolis was a terrific album. I lost a bet to myself - I figured the Enya would be pointed out first....

[trickblue]

Live at the Acropolis was a terrific album. I lost a bet to myself - I figured the Enya would be pointed out first....

Enya > Yanni

[joseephuss]

Start Apple rant... now.

Do not feed the Apple monster and buy an Ipod Shuffle.

First and foremost, it looks like a tampon.


My friend says it looks like a pregancy test device.

[Yeagermeister]

My friend says it looks like a pregancy test device.
:lmao2: Yes it does

[jterrell]

No offense JT but you are the first friendly Linux guy I have met. Usually they are condescending and arrogant. I tried getting some help early on and man talk about some jerks. Linux probably would gain a lot more interest if there communities treated the noobies better.

I still might look into a alternative but I still would rather have windows media pc, it is less of a hassle, imo.
Hey I am as arrogant and condescending as anyone. :)

try www.linuxquestions.org. Pretty friendly there.

Windows is easier to set up much less rewardign a lot more expensive. Its also less stable once set up. There are quite a few step by step guide for linux hom theater pcs out there.

If you do want to bother with it just shoot me a PM.

Now as to keep my good name:
All you windows noobs are losers caving into THE MAN.
Fight the Power!

:)

[jterrell]

My friend says it looks like a pregancy test device.
somewhere some sicko is trying to figure out how to get some hot chick to tinkle on his ipod, lol.

[jterrell]

Live at the Acropolis was a terrific album. I lost a bet to myself - I figured the Enya would be pointed out first....
Oh I misread.
I thought you mean that the music was for when you went to get an enema:) ROFL.

Just Kidding.

[Gibby!]

Hey I am as arrogant and condescending as anyone. :)

try www.linuxquestions.org. Pretty friendly there.

Windows is easier to set up much less rewardign a lot more expensive. Its also less stable once set up. There are quite a few step by step guide for linux hom theater pcs out there.

If you do want to bother with it just shoot me a PM.

Now as to keep my good name:
All you windows noobs are losers caving into THE MAN.
Fight the Power!

:)

I'd just like to know why linux is more stable? What is "less stable"? This windows box was built almost 2 years ago now, and gets rebooted about 1 every 6 months, when I scrape together enough cash to put a new piece of hardware in it. I think I have had 1? Maybe 2 crashes in that time? And it was my own fault (Overclocking has its advantages but aint worth the expense in the end...)

You don't need a "Media Center" pc to set up a HTPC. A decent TV and reciever will do the trick with your HTPC, I had a shuttle hooked up as a HTPC for months with straight up Windows XP, the only reason I changed was because I wanted a multi disk player (Now have a 3 disk changer no need for HTPC). My digital sound is still hooked up, EQ2 has some great environment sounds :P!

Don't get me wrong, *Nix has its place in the world. I mean if it wasn't *Nix users the pc world would be desperatly void of virus' and trojans and keyloggers, hackers, crackers, pharmers, phishers, etc... :D! (j/k) Your average user is not a *Nix user. Microsoft came a long way with XP SP2, they admitted a lot by "fixing" all the things it did. Windows gets a bad rap more because of a lot of poor 3rd party programers and developers than it deserves, but its all a part of the game. :)!!! However, I will say that mandrake is pretty good and easy to use for a n00b. And the mandrake community is pretty much like JTerrel is, pretty easy going and helpful.

Your only caving to the "man" if you pay the "man"... :D

I also agree about the apple monster :D!

Ahem... As for playlists... yeah...

[jterrell]

I'd just like to know why linux is more stable? What is "less stable"? This windows box was built almost 2 years ago now, and gets rebooted about 1 every 6 months, when I scrape together enough cash to put a new piece of hardware in it. I think I have had 1? Maybe 2 crashes in that time? And it was my own fault (Overclocking has its advantages but aint worth the expense in the end...)

You don't need a "Media Center" pc to set up a HTPC. A decent TV and reciever will do the trick with your HTPC, I had a shuttle hooked up as a HTPC for months with straight up Windows XP, the only reason I changed was because I wanted a multi disk player (Now have a 3 disk changer no need for HTPC). My digital sound is still hooked up, EQ2 has some great environment sounds :P!

Don't get me wrong, *Nix has its place in the world. I mean if it wasn't *Nix users the pc world would be desperatly void of virus' and trojans and keyloggers, hackers, crackers, pharmers, phishers, etc... :D! (j/k) Your average user is not a *Nix user. Microsoft came a long way with XP SP2, they admitted a lot by "fixing" all the things it did. Windows gets a bad rap more because of a lot of poor 3rd party programers and developers than it deserves, but its all a part of the game. :)!!! However, I will say that mandrake is pretty good and easy to use for a n00b. And the mandrake community is pretty much like JTerrel is, pretty easy going and helpful.

Your only caving to the "man" if you pay the "man"... :D

I also agree about the apple monster :D!

Ahem... As for playlists... yeah...

If your XP box stays up more than 6 months then you should really be working for Bill Gates because Microsoft has an embedded memery leech which means programs never fully release memory. Thats why Microsoft themselves on even 2003 server editions recommend monthly reboots.
All that said my linux box has been up for however long it has been since we had a power hit in my area. It didnt crash then but I did shut it down before the battery backup went out.

I have worked with thousands of boxes on the enterpise level and none of them came close to locking up as often as Windows boxes.

Windows runs everything as root. Thats why you get phished, hacked, scammed, virii. If you allow a process to run you give it complete authority on your pc.

The default install on Windows XP with sp2 is about as secure as an unlocked car. In fact only 24% of the sysadmins use SP2 on their Microsoft installs according to one study.

In the end it is up to you but Windows is a really crappy product and anyone with exposure to more than one system understands that. Anyone who has supported it feels it.

My best friend worked for Microsoft as a senior level engineer but only supported their highest level contracts.
He runs linux at home.
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SP2 And The Damage Done


Article Info
SP2 And The Damage Done
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Created:
April 14, 2005
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By:
Bruce Gain
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Summary:
Many users and IT administrators had a lot to say about Microsoft's removal of the "blocker" mechanism this week, which had temporarily disabled the delivery of Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2). THG contacted members of the IT community and spoke with often-cited security experts, who discussed their concerns about the damage SP2 may cause and some cases where the download might really be necessary.



Introduction

The results of a study released last week offered still more proof of just how unenthused IT administrators are about Microsoft's Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP. According to AssetMetrix, fewer than 24% of over 136,000 Windows XP PCs in 251 North American corporations surveyed had SP2 installed.

The study was published only a few days before Microsoft removed the "blocker" mechanism that had temporarily disabled the delivery of SP2. This past Tuesday, Microsoft made it official that PCs must have SP2 in order for Windows XP updates and security patches to be downloaded.

The study did not cite the reasons why IT administrators had not installed SP2 on a significant majority of the PCs in the survey. Was it because the admins, who are so often overworked and understaffed in today's corporate world, did not have the time to do the necessary updates? Were they unaware of what Microsoft says are necessary security features in SP2? Or are they just plain lazy?

After speaking with IT administrators down in the trenches, the answer is "none of the above". The main reason so many IT administrators do not opt for SP2 is concern about the system damage it can cause. This can even lead to the infamous "blue screen of death", when Windows will not even boot up (see Windows XP a Goner? First Aid for your Windows PC for ideas of what to do when that happens).

Microsoft even acknowledges the risk in its documentation for professional Windows users.


"There's already been wide trade-press coverage of compatibility issues discovered - embarrassingly, rather late in the beta process - with Microsoft's own CRM software and the popular Halo game," Microsoft says. "Fortunately, these issues have already been resolved (see the products' respective websites), as have a few other snags with third-party firewalls and other tools. But the lesson remains: IT pros need to be cautious and methodical when rolling out this, or any new software update."

Incompatibility problems are nothing new since Microsoft released SP2 in August 2004, and users have proceeded with extreme caution. For those who have successfully installed it, the issue has often been securing the necessary drivers from peripheral or software vendors to solve the compatibility issues. For the average user needing to get his or her digital camera to work, or to play games like Halo - yes Microsoft's own Halo did indeed have compatibility problems with SP2 in the beginning - all that is usually required is to go to the vendor's site to download the requisite drivers. However, consumer users have reported more serious problems upon SP2's installation, such as system crashes.

For IT administrators dealing with often hundreds or thousands of different PCs, the problem is exponentially compounded compared to the issues a consumer faces. Legacy middleware software specifically configured for a given network often poses particular compatibility issues, and system failures have been reported. For many, the decision to block SP2's installation given the system risks was not a hard decision to make, which also helps to explain the lack of PCs with SP2 in the AssetMetrix study.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

The default install on Windows XP with sp2 is about as secure as an unlocked car. In fact only 24% of the sysadmins use SP2 on their Microsoft installs according to one study.

While this is true, so is a basic install of Linux. With any OS you need to know what to do to make it secure.

[adbutcher]

My system is rock solid but I make sure my spyware detection is updated, I've download the latest security updates, and my virus definitions are current. If you don't do any of the aforementioned then you are asking for trouble.

Prior to XP, I agree Windows was a mess now it is whole lot better. Is it perfect? No OS is but as far as support and ease of use it is unparallel.

IMO, Linux UI tries to emulate windows. Why? Because it is easy. I am on a fixed schedule and I don’t have time to tweak and fiddle with loading new software or hardware. However, I do have a curiosity about Linux but when I initially tried to understand it beyond Knoppix I was met with some of the most pompous people on the net.

When I finish school this summer I will probably give it another shot but I don't think it will ever be my primary OS. However, I am receptive to change and if it proves itself to be the better OS I will make the switch.

[jterrell]

While this is true, so is a basic install of Linux. With any OS you need to know what to do to make it secure.
No it is not true with any linux distro I know of.

In linux all ports are turned off and you have to give things rights not vice versa as in Windows. Feel free to name the distro that has real security issues on a default install.

The only place you find an argument that windows is safe is at microsoft.com or from a paid consultant/partner to microsoft.

The most secure you can do is Mainframe. Governments, colleges and big business run on Mainframe/VMS/Unix with Windows just app server front ends for client logins.

Mainframe>VMS>Unix>Linux>Mac>Dos/Windows.

In Microsoft the base security issue is that every process has root privelidges and in linux that is not at all the case.
95% of all Windows help desk callers are told to reboot their pc.

Microsoft just released another security patch and as I live and breath I have to log off to reboot because in 5 minutes this pc will shut down due to the latest push via SMS from our trusty desktop department.

[jterrell]

My system is rock solid but I make sure my spyware detection is updated, I've download the latest security updates, and my virus definitions are current. If you don't do any of the aforementioned then you are asking for trouble.

Prior to XP, I agree Windows was a mess now it is whole lot better. Is it perfect? No OS is but as far as support and ease of use it is unparallel.

IMO, Linux UI tries to emulate windows. Why? Because it is easy. I am on a fixed schedule and I don’t have time to tweak and fiddle with loading new software or hardware. However, I do have a curiosity about Linux but when I initially tried to understand it beyond Knoppix I was met with some of the most pompous people on the net.

When I finish school this summer I will probably give it another shot but I don't think it will ever be my primary OS. However, I am receptive to change and if it proves itself to be the better OS I will make the switch.


You are absolutely right. Linux has tried very hard to emulate the Windows GUI. I am NOT a fan of that because using the gui makes us all dumber.

Learning what the button you click does helps alleviate problems and empowers us to solve issues wihtout paying for help.

The linux community resolves issues for free and you do not have to call India:)

Whenever you do decide to give it another shot lemme know and I'll send you a dvd of the distro you want and work with you on getting it set up the way you want.

Linux is much more configurable and is a power users dream with 4 seperate desktops easily setup, prioritizing applications so you get say 5 firefox tabs open but not eating up all your memory as they do in windows.

Linux guys do tend to be snobs but its because they have used windows a lot and know the good and bad of both while windows users have either no or very limited exposure to linux. I can tell you how to do pretty much anything you want on a windows box, I'd just rather do it on linux box.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

No it is not true with any linux distro I know of.

In linux all ports are turned off and you have to give things rights not vice versa as in Windows. Feel free to name the distro that has real security issues on a default install.

The only place you find an argument that windows is safe is at microsoft.com or from a paid consultant/partner to microsoft.

The most secure you can do is Mainframe. Governments, colleges and big business run on Mainframe/VMS/Unix with Windows just app server front ends for client logins.

Mainframe>VMS>Unix>Linux>Mac>Dos/Windows.

In Microsoft the base security issue is that every process has root privelidges and in linux that is not at all the case.
95% of all Windows help desk callers are told to reboot their pc.

Microsoft just released another security patch and as I live and breath I have to log off to reboot because in 5 minutes this pc will shut down due to the latest push via SMS from our trusty desktop department.

I will usually not debate the different types of systems because everyone has their favorite and will defend it to the end. I personally can see positives and negatives of all of the 3 major systems( Win, Mac, Linux ) I work with a ton of graphic artist who are absolutely convinced that Macs are the only machine that anyone should ever use, but you couldn't pay me to buy a Mac. There are so many problems with Macs. Try to multitask on a Mac. Good Luck, and don't get me started on the font issues.

Anyway, I just installed FC3 on a box and then ran a port scan on it. All ports are NOT turned off by default on a linux box. SSH and Sun RPC are on by default. Both of which are insecure. The default SSH config allows for root login and allows SSH1 protocol. The sunrpc is notorious for allowing hackers access.

Neither Win or Linux is secure "Out of the Box". Both have to be configured to be that way. I would never let any machine, regardless of type, on a network until I have completely secured it.

[Gibby!]

I will usually not debate the different types of systems because everyone has their favorite and will defend it to the end. I personally can see positives and negatives of all of the 3 major systems( Win, Mac, Linux ) I work with a ton of graphic artist who are absolutely convinced that Macs are the only machine that anyone should ever use, but you couldn't pay me to buy a Mac. There are so many problems with Macs. Try to multitask on a Mac. Good Luck, and don't get me started on the font issues.

Anyway, I just installed FC3 on a box and then ran a port scan on it. All ports are NOT turned off by default on a linux box. SSH and Sun RPC are on by default. Both of which are insecure. The default SSH config allows for root login and allows SSH1 protocol. The sunrpc is notorious for allowing hackers access.

Neither Win or Linux is secure "Out of the Box". Both have to be configured to be that way. I would never let any machine, regardless of type, on a network until I have completely secured it.

I agree with ACF, I dont want to argue about different flavors of distros of literally hundreds of OS's, but just for the record, I am an Information System Security Specialist (I may not be very good but thats another thread for another time...) and I can point you to a list (Not available on the "public" internet), of vulnerabilities within EACH VERSION of linux distro's as well as Windows, Macs, etc. It's a rather extensive database...

If every port on every linux box is closed by default, then how can I do a base install and immidiatly connect to the internet and begin recieving instant messages (Through BUILT IN chat programs) without configuring anything but the NIC, no firewall adjustments nothing, just begin receiving them?

And the thing about the pharming phishing etc was a joke (one of the linux guys here used to joke about sending us all virii ;)). Windows does NOT run everything as "root", it only runs things as root if you allow them too. A good sys admin of either OS always has two accounts, one with "root" access, and one without, and thier primary is always the one without, I wonder why... Just one more reason to NOT give general users "root".

This isn't an argument or a debate really, I actually happen to like linux and met (and work with) several people that wont even consider using a windows box. But they always come to me and ask me to run this or run that, because they cant find suitable similar products for Linux. It truly is the last remaining "free" Operating System that is available and I applaud the entire communities efforts in keeping it that way and doing thier best to keep us "non techy" sys admins out of trouble ;).

The bottom line is, if you don't know how to lock down any kind of box your going to have issues. No matter how much third party software you pay for or otherwise acquire.

Oh and what the heck is a memory "leech". You mean you close an app and it not only continues to utilize memory but grows in size as well? I have never experienced this phenom called a "leech" in regard to memory usage and utilization. I have however "leeched" :p:

[adbutcher]

You are absolutely right. Linux has tried very hard to emulate the Windows GUI. I am NOT a fan of that because using the gui makes us all dumber.

Learning what the button you click does helps alleviate problems and empowers us to solve issues wihtout paying for help.

The linux community resolves issues for free and you do not have to call India:)

Whenever you do decide to give it another shot lemme know and I'll send you a dvd of the distro you want and work with you on getting it set up the way you want.

Linux is much more configurable and is a power users dream with 4 seperate desktops easily setup, prioritizing applications so you get say 5 firefox tabs open but not eating up all your memory as they do in windows.

Linux guys do tend to be snobs but its because they have used windows a lot and know the good and bad of both while windows users have either no or very limited exposure to linux. I can tell you how to do pretty much anything you want on a windows box, I'd just rather do it on linux box.
I will take you up on that offer. After this summer I will have an abundance of time for Linux, MMORPGs, and doing nothing.

Also I got my terastation yesterday and it is SWEEEEET! I have it setup in a Raid 5 so I am not getting a full terabyte of storage but the level of redundancy is unparallel.

[jterrell]

I will take you up on that offer. After this summer I will have an abundance of time for Linux, MMORPGs, and doing nothing.

Also I got my terastation yesterday and it is SWEEEEET! I have it setup in a Raid 5 so I am not getting a full terabyte of storage but the level of redundancy is unparallel.
When you get to MMORPGs let me know and I'll try to get you hooked up with gear on WoW. EQ2 is better but my friends play WoW becaus eit has lesser hardware requirements.

[jterrell]

I agree with ACF, I dont want to argue about different flavors of distros of literally hundreds of OS's, but just for the record, I am an Information System Security Specialist (I may not be very good but thats another thread for another time...) and I can point you to a list (Not available on the "public" internet), of vulnerabilities within EACH VERSION of linux distro's as well as Windows, Macs, etc. It's a rather extensive database...

If every port on every linux box is closed by default, then how can I do a base install and immidiatly connect to the internet and begin recieving instant messages (Through BUILT IN chat programs) without configuring anything but the NIC, no firewall adjustments nothing, just begin receiving them?

And the thing about the pharming phishing etc was a joke (one of the linux guys here used to joke about sending us all virii ;)). Windows does NOT run everything as "root", it only runs things as root if you allow them too. A good sys admin of either OS always has two accounts, one with "root" access, and one without, and thier primary is always the one without, I wonder why... Just one more reason to NOT give general users "root".

This isn't an argument or a debate really, I actually happen to like linux and met (and work with) several people that wont even consider using a windows box. But they always come to me and ask me to run this or run that, because they cant find suitable similar products for Linux. It truly is the last remaining "free" Operating System that is available and I applaud the entire communities efforts in keeping it that way and doing thier best to keep us "non techy" sys admins out of trouble ;).

The bottom line is, if you don't know how to lock down any kind of box your going to have issues. No matter how much third party software you pay for or otherwise acquire.

Oh and what the heck is a memory "leech". You mean you close an app and it not only continues to utilize memory but grows in size as well? I have never experienced this phenom called a "leech" in regard to memory usage and utilization. I have however "leeched" :p:

I am going to address both posts here because they would basically say the same thing. :)

You are both factually and technically 100% correct.

Linux having secure shell and rcp for sun open are security risks the way carrying cash on you is. Installing a windows box and running it is much more like leaving all your money in the alley every night. When I am arguing security I argue actual occurences not theory. Ever run a spyware scan on a linux box and come back with even one hit? Ever run one a windows box for the first time in a month and not come back with something?

Should you make both more secure? Well you can. And as an ISSSP I am sure you would. I do not think you need to at home. Linux/Solaris/Unix boxes dont get targeted enough to make it necessary and it is very dificult to break into those ports with any rights. But as linux grows in popularity it could quickly become an issue.

I used to argue with one of the Windows guys here but then I did a tracert got his IP and sent him a remote logoff prog that shuts down your system and gives you a little pop up message. I sent him BILL GATES has your money and your soul, the system will be rebooted in 45 seconds. I canceled it before the reboot but he had a whiteface.

The friend I mentionned above is an ISSSP as well.

You can count on one hand the number of virii ever released that effects linux/Unix.

I always leave ssh open because thats how I remote in to the box. If three attemps are made and fail the port closes. Its more secure than an rhosts file and rhosting in.

Changes can be made to your registry in windows NT without being logged on the admin account. I am not authorized on this pc right here as an admin but I have installed firefox, activestate Perl, and mnay other apps I chose to. I also can turn off the USMT/SMS functions and disallow any remote updates admins want to make.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

I am going to address both posts here because they would basically say the same thing. :)

You are both factually and technically 100% correct.

Linux having secure shell and rcp for sun open are security risks the way carrying cash on you is. Installing a windows box and running it is much more like leaving all your money in the alley every night. When I am arguing security I argue actual occurences not theory. Ever run a spyware scan on a linux box and come back with even one hit? Ever run one a windows box for the first time in a month and not come back with something?

Should you make both more secure? Well you can. And as an ISSSP I am sure you would. I do not think you need to at home. Linux/Solaris/Unix boxes dont get targeted enough to make it necessary and it is very dificult to break into those ports with any rights. But as linux grows in popularity it could quickly become an issue.

I used to argue with one of the Windows guys here but then I did a tracert got his IP and sent him a remote logoff prog that shuts down your system and gives you a little pop up message. I sent him BILL GATES has your money and your soul, the system will be rebooted in 45 seconds. I canceled it before the reboot but he had a whiteface.

The friend I mentionned above is an ISSSP as well.

You can count on one hand the number of virii ever released that effects linux/Unix.

I always leave ssh open because thats how I remote in to the box. If three attemps are made and fail the port closes. Its more secure than an rhosts file and rhosting in.

Changes can be made to your registry in windows NT without being logged on the admin account. I am not authorized on this pc right here as an admin but I have installed firefox, activestate Perl, and mnay other apps I chose to. I also can turn off the USMT/SMS functions and disallow any remote updates admins want to make.

My only point is that neither is secure as it is after install. You must harden them before putting them online or you run the risk of attack. I wouldn't want anyone thinking they can just install linux and solve all their problems because that is far from the truth. Granted, some of us can install linux, secure it and be fine but your basic user is not necessarily going to be able to do that.

You do bring up a great point though about popularity. Is Win really that much more insecure than any other system? Probably not. Windows just has millions more users. A hacker or someone writing a virus is going to want to focus on the system where they can do the most damage. Hence IE always getting exploited and not Firefox. If Linux takes market share someday, everyone will be cussing Linus and their particular distro. I have a feeling if they started focusing on Linux it would be just as bad if not worse than Windows.

I'm not sure I follow your logic that having a Linux box with RPC listening to a port is theoretically a security risk. It has been exposed many times. Maybe not as many times as someone has figured out a way to load spyware through IE, but that goes back to the popularity issue. Spyware really doesn't concern me near as much as a hacker dropping a root kit, trojan or exploit of some sort on my linux box and bringing down my mail server.

I'm not anti-linux by any means. If I am setting up a mail server or a web server I will definitely use a Linux box. I'm not anti-windows either though. I don't think computing would be anywhere near as advanced as it is now without Bill Gates and Company. I think they are both prone to infection but as long as you stay on top of updates and security you should for the most part be fine.

I guess we can just agree to disagree on this subject. Good discussion though.

[Gibby!]

Unfortunatly I am not an ISSP. Just a sys admin who has been assigned additional duties...

Thats one helluva big hand:
http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruslistfind.html?findWhere=011&findTxt=linux

http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/vendor/


I'm not anti-linux by any means. If I am setting up a mail server or a web server I will definitely use a Linux box. I'm not anti-windows either though. I don't think computing would be anywhere near as advanced as it is now without Bill Gates and Company. I think they are both prone to infection but as long as you stay on top of updates and security you should for the most part be fine.


Exactomundo...

[Yeagermeister]

You do bring up a great point though about popularity. Is Win really that much more insecure than any other system? Probably not. Windows just has millions more users. A hacker or someone writing a virus is going to want to focus on the system where they can do the most damage. Hence IE always getting exploited and not Firefox. If Linux takes market share someday, everyone will be cussing Linus and their particular distro. I have a feeling if they started focusing on Linux it would be just as bad if not worse than Windows.


My feelings exactly. I have nothing against Linux or Mac but I also have nothing for them.