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Chuck 54
04-12-2005, 04:44 PM
Clearly just my opinion, but I see no way Dallas will take a DE at #11, no matter who's available...I just won't believe it till I see it. Will Merriman and Ware be superstars to overshadow the other DE's??

I think that #11 pick will be used on a WR unless Rolle or PacMan drop that far...otherwise, we'll definitely trade the #11 pick.

On day 1, I think we'll come away with a DE, WR, LB, FS, and CB/return man.

The kid from SC, Williamson, is growing on me more and more and more...I think he'd be a perfect speed guy to stretch the field this year and a guy who could grow into the #1 WR in a couple of years.

Roughneck
04-12-2005, 04:57 PM
The only problem I have with Williamson is that he appears to be a deep threat and a deep threat alone. He doesn't have as complete of a game as I'd want my #11 pick usually to have.

Holloway805
04-12-2005, 05:00 PM
It seems to me that the only WRs that warrant #11 are Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards. If either one is there I say draft'em or trade back a few spots for a 2nd. It is, however, IMPERATIVE that we draft a game changing defensive player that can get to the QB. Make that 2. If we come away from the 1st round with 2 players like that, I will be happy. Then draft a safety in the 2nd then the best available PLAYERS after that.

dbair1967
04-12-2005, 05:03 PM
Clearly just my opinion, but I see no way Dallas will take a DE at #11, no matter who's available...I just won't believe it till I see it. Will Merriman and Ware be superstars to overshadow the other DE's??

I think that #11 pick will be used on a WR unless Rolle or PacMan drop that far...otherwise, we'll definitely trade the #11 pick.

On day 1, I think we'll come away with a DE, WR, LB, FS, and CB/return man.

The kid from SC, Williamson, is growing on me more and more and more...I think he'd be a perfect speed guy to stretch the field this year and a guy who could grow into the #1 WR in a couple of years.

with what they've spent on Roy, Newman and Henry I cant see them using a high pick and alot of dough on another DB...Im could see them using some 2nd/3rd pick/s (if we get more) on a safety and perhaps a nickel type CB, bu cant see the mega investment in Rolle or Jones (or the other highly regarded ones)

agree on the DE though, seems many have similar grades so if they dont trade for Howard or Abraham the smart move would be to move down a few spots

David

Muhast
04-12-2005, 05:18 PM
"On day 1, I think we'll come away with a DE, WR, LB, FS, and CB/return man"

to do so we HAVE to trade one of the two first rounders....

Even so I dont see how we could possibly get that many.

We have #11,#20,#42 right now. If we trade #11 we could pick up a 2nd and 3rd and a 5th i beleive. That would leave us with #20,42, a 2nd and 3rd. Then we'd still need to find another pick somehow.... ???

followthestar
04-12-2005, 05:20 PM
at #11, should we take a WR? this draft is deep at WR, and we already have our starters. scratch WR. OT? next year's draft is deep at OT - why use a first round pick for someone you can get for a second next year? scratch OT. QB or RB? you kidding? CB isn't likely with two top 8 picks overall already starting.
we want to go to a 3-4? we need an impact DE and at least one OLB. whatever we pay for the DE we will inevitably draft, he will not have been a reach if he can get pressure on the QB... that would be priceless!

Chief
04-12-2005, 05:28 PM
with what they've spent on Roy, Newman and Henry I cant see them using a high pick and alot of dough on another DB...Im could see them using some 2nd/3rd pick/s (if we get more) on a safety and perhaps a nickel type CB, bu cant see the mega investment in Rolle or Jones (or the other highly regarded ones)

agree on the DE though, seems many have similar grades so if they dont trade for Howard or Abraham the smart move would be to move down a few spots

David

I feel the same way about the DBs. I just can't see them using another top pick on one.

I think the first pick will be a defensive front seven guy ... and I agree that a trade down is likely.

Natedawg44
04-12-2005, 05:39 PM
Actually I wouln't be suprized if we didn't take a receiver at all the first day. Heavy on the front 7 and OT wouldn't be a shocker.

jobberone
04-12-2005, 05:47 PM
The only problem I have with Williamson is that he appears to be a deep threat and a deep threat alone. He doesn't have as complete of a game as I'd want my #11 pick usually to have.

The problem Williamson is having is a lack of highlights of long TDs. He has too many short passes because that was the offense and the capabilities of SC's QBs. Not saying he doesn't have any long TDs both long throws and short throws turned into TDs. He did not and doesn't appear to be able to break a lot of tackles which I consider to be somewhat of a weakness.

Most people are looking past the offense he was in but it definitely hurt him to some degree to be a part of SC's lousy teams the last two years.

ABQCOWBOY
04-12-2005, 05:56 PM
I know it's not very popular but I think only Williams, Barron or Johnson go here. I believe we will trade out of 11 but what the heck do I know. I don't see the QBs still on the board. I don't see Edwards still there. I don't see Brown still there. I don't see the quality at DE so much better then the quality that can be had later. I just think these are the only players that might be available and we would realistically consider.

Hollywood Henderson
04-12-2005, 06:07 PM
I think we MUST get the best pass rusher and thats ether Merriman or Ware...Why take a chance & get cute & trade down missing out on the best guy(s)?

Merriman might be able to play DE or OLB in a 4-3 0r 3-4 so if we go that route at 11, we could always take another LBer later...

A WR is talked about, but not a HUGE need, a FS should be taken, but again, maybe not a huge need as I expect Hunter to start there or at least compete with a rookie...

We have some draft flexability, but a QB killer is a MUST...the best ones won't be around later in the 1st round, lets not cheap out, lets get our impact pressure player at #11...

Hostile
04-12-2005, 06:17 PM
Actually I wouln't be suprized if we didn't take a receiver at all the first day. Heavy on the front 7 and OT wouldn't be a shocker.We're on the same boat. Those are the positions I see as options for #11.

jay cee
04-12-2005, 06:20 PM
The only problem I have with Williamson is that he appears to be a deep threat and a deep threat alone. He doesn't have as complete of a game as I'd want my #11 pick usually to have.
I totally agree with you there. Just because a guy is fast does not mean he can be a #1 receiver. Look how Galloway was able to be neutralized.

People keep saying that guy from Southern Cal is too big and slow, but I would rather the big slow guy who can consistently get open for the skinny post and the out pattern, rather than the fast guy who can only get open for the bomb from time to time.

jay cee
04-12-2005, 06:24 PM
I think we MUST get the best pass rusher and thats ether Merriman or Ware...Why take a chance & get cute & trade down missing out on the best guy(s)?

Merriman might be able to play DE or OLB in a 4-3 0r 3-4 so if we go that route at 11, we could always take another LBer later...

A WR is talked about, but not a HUGE need, a FS should be taken, but again, maybe not a huge need as I expect Hunter to start there or at least compete with a rookie...

We have some draft flexability, but a QB killer is a MUST...the best ones won't be around later in the 1st round, lets not cheap out, lets get our impact pressure player at #11...
I don't know Hollywood, I thought the same thing last year at running back. They traded down, and I was mad as heck, but it looks like it turned out alright.

booboo
04-12-2005, 06:26 PM
Does anyone really look that great in this draft, I mean from the overall #1 and down?

Package all that you can this draft for a deal next year.

Chuck 54
04-12-2005, 07:43 PM
with what they've spent on Roy, Newman and Henry I cant see them using a high pick and alot of dough on another DB...Im could see them using some 2nd/3rd pick/s (if we get more) on a safety and perhaps a nickel type CB, bu cant see the mega investment in Rolle or Jones (or the other highly regarded ones)

agree on the DE though, seems many have similar grades so if they dont trade for Howard or Abraham the smart move would be to move down a few spots

David
I don't think CB is a priority either, but if Rolle or PacMan are there, that's great value for the spot if they don't find a trade partner...it would also immediately improve your nickel and dime packages or possibly negate the need to look to FS in round 2 because Henry might be a better safety than CB....he certainly put up huge numbers as a nickel back as compared to his starting numbers.

I don't think CB is likely in round 1, but we're not exactly loaded with qualty CB's, so I'd still like to draft the most elite player if available.

alancdc
04-12-2005, 07:49 PM
With all the talk about how average this draft is who are these genuises that are going to trade multiple draft picks for our number 11. I would be willing to bet that this draft has the fewest draft day trades in history.