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cowboyfan4life_mark
04-12-2005, 08:28 PM
Interesting. Has anyone else heard this?

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-gibbs&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Gibbs laments absence of Moss and Taylor, meets with disgruntled Arrington
By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer
April 12, 2005

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- Santana Moss and Sean Taylor are skipping the Washington Redskins' spring workouts because they want new contracts, the latest chapter in a tumultuous offseason that has seen two top receivers request trades and LaVar Arrington criticize the way the team handled his knee injury.

Moss and Taylor are the only two unexcused absentees from the voluntary sessions. Moss is the team's biggest offseason acquisition, and safety Taylor is coming off a troubled rookie season in which off-the-field antics nearly overshadowed his promising talent.

``The only thing I would say to anybody: If you miss the offseason work, I don't think that's good for your career,'' Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said Tuesday.

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``It's not mandatory'' to attend, Gibbs added. ``You can't make it mandatory, but it is a critical time for us.''

Gibbs and Arrington met to clear the air over comments made by the three-time Pro Bowl linebacker. On Monday, Arrington said the team did not support him during his injury last year and implied that coaches rushed him back onto the field. Gibbs denied the claims.

If Tuesday's meeting yielded any positive results, Arrington wasn't telling.

``I said what I said. Y'all don't need a quote,'' Arrington said as he emerged on crutches from Redskins Park. ``Y'all already got what you need. The truth is in front of you.''

Gibbs has been in damage-control mode all offseason, and the sagas have involved many of his highest-profile players. The coach also lost two highly valued ``core Redskins,'' cornerback Fred Smoot and linebacker Antonio Pierce, to free agency.

Moss was acquired from the New York Jets for receiver Laveranues Coles, who was dissatisfied with Gibbs' conservative offense. Moss is entering the final year of his contract and wants a new deal, but the Redskins aren't expected to give him one before June 1 because of salary-cap reasons.

Gibbs said Moss' absence is hurting chemistry with quarterback Patrick Ramsey. Ramsey will be working with two new starting receivers next season because Coles and Rod Gardner wanted out. The Redskins are still trying to trade Gardner.

``I've talked to Santana numerous times,'' Gibbs said. ``I think Santana wants to be here. We're trying to work through a process to get him here.''

By contrast, Gibbs said Taylor hasn't returned calls. Taylor doesn't like the seven-year, $18 million deal he signed a year ago and he's fired two agents. He was fined for skipping a day of the NFL's rookie symposium and was benched for a game after being arrested on a drunken driving charge of which he was cleared.

Gibbs cited unspecified ``complications'' of a new deal for Taylor, and the coach tried to be optimistic that the latest setback isn't an indication of a difficult year to come.

``Last year we wound up having a rocky first year,'' Gibbs said. ``I know there are some things that Sean wishes hadn't have happened, and we wish hadn't have happened. I think the lesson's learned there, I hope. What we're trying to do is get Sean settled down here, being a part of this team. I'm hoping any day he's going to show up.''

Moss and Taylor are represented by the same agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Rosenhaus did not immediately return calls placed by The Associated Press.

trickblue
04-12-2005, 08:29 PM
It justs gets gooder and gooder... :D

cowboyfan4life_mark
04-12-2005, 08:31 PM
I just sent you a PM.

Compacity
04-12-2005, 08:33 PM
well I guess Cowboys wouldn't mind giving up a 20th pick just to put Sean Taylor beside Roy Williams?

Just a opinion

cowboyfan4life_mark
04-12-2005, 08:34 PM
well I guess Cowboys wouldn't mind giving up a 20th pick just to put Sean Taylor beside Roy Williams?

Just a opinion
That would be absolutely scary!! :eek:

Not gonna happen...but very scary.

Fletch
04-12-2005, 08:37 PM
Damn, those Skins are having one dilema after another. :D Is Gibbs really the guy they need to man the fort and keep their players in line, and help keep the organization in tact?

Parcells had one incident that I can recall, and that was with Antonio the "head case". Antonio was bound to blow up anyway, regardless who the coach.

But Washington has had one problem after another it seems. And all have come since the arrival of Joe Gibbs. Parcells definitely knows how to run a tight ship. Gibbs' dingy seems to have sprung many leaks. :D

Can't say that I'm not enjoying it. :skins:

cowboyfan4life_mark
04-12-2005, 08:42 PM
Damn, those Skins are having one dilema after another. :D Is Gibbs really the guy they need to man the fort and keep their players in line, and help keep the organization in tact?

Parcells had one incident that I can recall, and that was with Antonio the "head case". Antonio was bound to blow up anyway, regardless who was the coach.

But Washington has had one problem after another it seems. And all have come since the arrival of Joe Gibbs. Parcells definitely knows how to run a tight ship. Gibbs' dingy seems to have sprung many leaks. :D

Can't say that I am not enjoying it. :skins:
I remember reading something that Moss may want a new contract if the trade happened, but this is the first that I have heard anything with Taylor. Who was Taylors agent on last years contract?

cowboyfan4life_mark
04-12-2005, 09:46 PM
With all of this going down in Washington, anyone think that Gibbs will leave before his contract is up?

Hostile
04-12-2005, 09:50 PM
Still more proof that God loves me. :D

This is always my favorite proof though.

:trophy:

VThokie7
04-12-2005, 09:53 PM
I remember reading something that Moss may want a new contract if the trade happened, but this is the first that I have heard anything with Taylor. Who was Taylors agent on last years contract?

I don't remember his agents name; however, I do remember he fired his agent becaues the people selected around him got much better deals than he did.

Chief
04-12-2005, 09:54 PM
:laugh2:

:violin:

:lmao2:

:suxskins:

Tio
04-12-2005, 09:54 PM
THe skins are a mess, and I'm loving it....

Hostile
04-12-2005, 10:00 PM
THe skins are a mess, and I'm loving it....You should go to extremeskins.com and tell them. Oh wait....

:D

Jimz31
04-12-2005, 10:06 PM
In the NFC East, the Skins and the Eagles seemingly have the most trouble-makers. I'm not complaining. :D

Future
04-12-2005, 10:08 PM
I always liked Sean Taylor at Miami, but with his average year last year....

And now this


I love him

TheSkaven
04-12-2005, 10:32 PM
This is good news for us, but am I missing something? Since when do rookies play one year and then demand to have their contract renegotiated?? Taylor didn't even start until the second half of the season. What a knucklehead.

trickblue
04-12-2005, 10:38 PM
This is good news for us, but am I missing something? Since when do rookies play one year and then demand to have their contract renegotiated?? Taylor didn't even start until the second half of the season. What a knucklehead.

He is QUICKLY becoming the headache many around here predicted...

Of course... they were also high on "The Soldjuh"... so they were screwed either way... :D

Phrozen Phil
04-12-2005, 10:57 PM
I remember reading something that Moss may want a new contract if the trade happened, but this is the first that I have heard anything with Taylor. Who was Taylors agent on last years contract?

I beleive that it may have been the Poston Brothers, but I can't be certain.

phildominator
04-12-2005, 11:35 PM
Dude, if this story is valid...I usually side with pro athletes to get whatever contract they can get. When some players gripe out $6 million instead of the $7.5 million they think they deserve, I don't complain about pro players making too much money or anything -- that's capitalism at its finest.

However, Sean Taylor, my man, you are an exception. Shut up and play.

trickblue
04-12-2005, 11:42 PM
Dude, if this story is valid...I usually side with pro athletes to get whatever contract they can get. When some players gripe out $6 million instead of the $7.5 million they think they deserve, I don't complain about pro players making too much money or anything -- that's capitalism at its finest.

However, Sean Taylor, my man, you are an exception. Shut up and play.

Well apparently it is valid...

Maybe Taylor is basing his contract demands on getting beat by our 7th rounder by only 2 steps instead of 3... ;)

Hoov
04-13-2005, 07:50 AM
Don't think Gibbs will stick around long if this keeps up, i'm sure he's thinking to himself - this isn't nearly as much fun as I thought it would be. The players seem to be running the show in DC. I'm sure this is not quite how he remembered the NFL. Again, my prediction for Washington is 3-13 this year.

cowboyfan4life_mark
04-13-2005, 05:52 PM
Well apparently it is valid...

Maybe Taylor is basing his contract demands on getting beat by our 7th rounder by only 2 steps instead of 3... ;)
Now that was down right mean...funny...but mean. :laugh2:

playit12
04-13-2005, 07:47 PM
I have no problem with Moss sitting out. I think I remember hearing he was on the last year of his rookie contract and was only going to make like 400k to be the Skin's number 1 WR. When they traded for him they told him he'd get a contract so I think he's just trying to motivate them to get it done. Plus if he gets hurt in the off season they only owe him the 400k. One career ending injury and he's out the 5 or 6 million dollar signing bonus he should soon recieve. Yeah... I'd be at home too.

As for Taylor.. the kid is a head case. He never hired the Postons as one post mentioned but he did go through at least 2 agents already. And his contract sucked compared to the one the Postons got for KWII.

Compacity
04-13-2005, 08:24 PM
20th pick and a next year 3rd Round for Sean Taylor sounds good?

Hell we need a dominant FS beside Roy Williams...

Roy Williams and Sean Taylor... and to make things real sweet draft Mike Williams with the 11th pick...

Trade the 2nd Round to saints for Darren Howard...