Sources: Big 12, SEC champs to play

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7945482/big-12-sec-champions-meet-bowl-game-sources-say

The champions of the Big 12 and SEC conferences will meet in a bowl game annually, sources have told ESPN.com.

The agreement will begin with the 2014 season, with the champions of each conference meeting provided that neither team is in the BCS national championship game.

The style of the agreement will be similar to the one the Rose Bowl has with the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences.

The site of this bowl game is still undetermined. The Big 12 and SEC conferences are expected to make an official announcement at noon ET.


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Do you think some of the Football teams in the ACC are thinking about bolting even more now...also think about Notre Dame eventually joining a Conference as well.

Interesting times.

[Doomsday101]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7945482/big-12-sec-champions-meet-bowl-game-sources-say

The champions of the Big 12 and SEC conferences will meet in a bowl game annually, sources have told ESPN.com.

The agreement will begin with the 2014 season, with the champions of each conference meeting provided that neither team is in the BCS national championship game.

The style of the agreement will be similar to the one the Rose Bowl has with the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences.

The site of this bowl game is still undetermined. The Big 12 and SEC conferences are expected to make an official announcement at noon ET.


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Do you think some of the Football teams in the ACC are thinking about bolting even more now...also think about Notre Dame eventually joining a Conference as well.

Interesting times.

I like that move.

[DFWJC]

That's seems smart. It should usually be a great game.

But if there's a four team playoff (vs taking two after the bowl season is over) that may eliminate a worthy final four team.

Then again, it would be very hard to argue that the winner of the Big Ten or Pac 10 should be shoo-ins for the final four as well.

Can't wait to see how this falls out.

[MC KAos]

it seems to me like they are setting this up as a super conference, 4 team playoff, no? pac 12 vs big 10 in one game, SEC vs big 12 in the other?

thats just me trowing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks, but i do hope this game is played in cowboys stadium under the cotton bowl brand!

[Phoenix]

The agreement will begin with the 2014 season, with the champions of each conference meeting in the BCS national championship game.



Fixed. :D

[Aikbach]

The two best and most competitive conferences...plus you know the tv coverage of a potential OU/ UT matchup with LSU/ Alabama is too much for the ratings to resist.

Will get to test the reputations of Big 12 offensive explosion and SEC supposed stonewall defense against one another.

[Aikbach]

it seems to me like they are setting this up as a super conference, 4 team playoff, no? pac 12 vs big 10 in one game, SEC vs big 12 in the other?

thats just me trowing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks, but i do hope this game is played in cowboys stadium under the cotton bowl brand!If you're right then basically one game is the NFC Championship and the other is a wildcard matchup.

[MC KAos]

The two best and most competitive conferences...plus you know the tv coverage of a potential OU/ UT matchup with LSU/ Alabama is too much for the ratings to resist.

this might make a potential renegotiation with the TV companies even bigger if FSU and one other school decide to come over

[DFWJC]

The two best and most competitive conferences....
These things go in cycles. The SEC has been rolling again for a while now. The other conference cylce in and out of power though. The Big 12 can make a good argument as #2 right now though.
In 5-10 years? Who knows.

In any case, SEC/Big12 sounds like fun.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Might be the only way you see a Texas/TAMU rematch.

[ABQCOWBOY]

As I think about this, this could be a powerful incentive for ND to the Big 12. If they were to come over, That would put them in a division with, in all likelihood, Kansas, KSt., ISU, WV and probably one other. Depending on who the other might be, the only school you really have to worry about would be WV. That increases their chances greatly to play in a Big12 Championship game, a Big12 SEC Bowl game or a NC game if they are good enough. That puts a lot more money in their pockets IMO. Heck, even if they don't play in any of those games, the worst they are likely to do is play in a Bowl similar to the one they are already playing in at the end of the season.

[Cythim]

Might be the only way you see a Texas/TAMU rematch.

:laugh2: :lmao2: :lmao:


Sorry, I love the Aggies but they are not winning the SEC... possibly ever...

[StylisticS]

In other news, the ACC is in deep deep trouble and they know it.

[MC KAos]

:laugh2: :lmao2: :lmao:


Sorry, I love the Aggies but they are not winning the SEC... possibly ever...

well, maybe there will be a mcrib nacagdoches bowl or something with the 8th best team in each conference playing each other....at least you guys could play tech again...

[The30YardSlant]

Mismatch

[MC KAos]

Mismatch

ya, that OSU/LSU game last year proved that....oh wait....

[Aikbach]

These things go in cycles. The SEC has been rolling again for a while now. The other conference cylce in and out of power though. The Big 12 can make a good argument as #2 right now though.
In 5-10 years? Who knows.

In any case, SEC/Big12 sounds like fun.The BCS actually ranked the Big 12 one overall this past season, and that was with 5 BCS ranked teams, with the addition of TCU and WVU the Big 12 returns 7 BCS ranked teams to the field in 2012.

[Hoofbite]

So what now? Where do the at-large teams go?

Didn't both of those conferences host an at-large team?

So now you basically get 2 at-large teams playing against each other every year no matter what?


Currently:

Rose Bowl – Big Ten champion vs. Pac-12 champion

Fiesta Bowl – Big 12 champion vs. at large

Orange Bowl – ACC champion vs. at large

Sugar Bowl – SEC champion vs. at large

The Big East champion takes one of the remaining spots


Lets assume the Big 12 moves to what is currently the Sugar Bowl in exchange for the at-large.

You get,

Rose Bowl – Big Ten champion vs. Pac-12 champion

Fiesta Bowl – at large vs. at large

Orange Bowl – ACC champion vs. at large

Sugar Bowl – SEC champion vs. Big 12 champion

The Big East champion takes one of the remaining spots

So now, instead of expecting many potential David vs. Goliath matchups where small schools come in to challenge large schools, the Fiesta Bowl will become the "Tostitos Fiesta-Little League Bowl" and teams like TCU and BSU will forever be relegated to playing each other just to appease the ego of the BCS?

I know that's not written in stone but it's painfully obvious even from right now.

And it's not like they didn't do this sort of stuff anyway. They did it in 2009 wen Boise and TCU met. Boise #6 and TCU #4 and for whatever reason (cowardice most likely, the BCS didn't want to expose two AQ teams to a potential loss) #3 Cincinnati played #5 Florida.

I dunno. Maybe I'm looking too much into it but it seems like having a fewer number of potential games where at-large's play AQs sure allows the BCS to pretty much relegate the small programs to an annual matchup.

Non-AQs get 2 bids max. The Big East has only played 1 Non-AQ conference team during their filling in role and that was the year they played Utah who met a criteria to gain an automatic bid and who later pissed all over the Big East.

So that narrows things down a bit more.

Here's something else. I'm not totally sure but I don't think that a BCS at large school has ever been matched up against a Non-AQ conference at large school. Granted the sample size is small but not so small as to be ignored.

Now, there have been 2 instances where Non-AQ teams met criteria and earned the automatic bid but looking at these games just makes me shake my head even more.

2007: #5 Georgia (BCS at large) vs. #10 Hawaii (Automatic Non-AQ WAC Champ)

At the same time #8 Kansas (BCS at large) vs. #3 VT (ACC Champ)

This came a year after Boise stunned Oklahoma. Just seems funny that a year after the BCS was caught with egg on it's face that the matchup for the next Non-AQ team would ranking-wise be a little widened. Almost like a, "we'll end this nonsense for good" type of move.

2008: #6 Utah (Automatic Non-AQ MWC Chap) vs. #4 Alabama (BCS at large)

Same time: #3 Texas (Met Criteria For AQ) vs. #10 Ohio State (BCS at large)

Again, a little funny to me.

2009 of course was the year I was talking about earlier where the BCS just said "screw it" and denied both TCU and BSU the chance to play a few of the big schools.

Of course, these nonsensical types of ranking match ups happen all the time but it's just interesting to see the course of events.

2006: BCS reluctantly gives a small school a crack at an AQ school and Boise defeats Oklahoma.

2007: Hawaii faces a much, much tougher opponent and is handled.

2008: Utah gets their turn at an opponent ranked ahead of them while a third team ranked ahead of both Utah and it's opponent has to play a team ranked lower than everyone.

2009: Boise / TCU get shafted into playing in a consolation bowl.

Now they're going to reduce the number of games that at large teams play in by condensing two at large teams into a single game every year.

BCS sucks.

Anything they do that doesn't involve killing itself is just a waste of time.

If ever there are 2 small schools getting bids, I'm convinced they'll play one another.

[The30YardSlant]

ya, that OSU/LSU game last year proved that....oh wait....

2004 Sugar Bowl
2009 Orange Bowl
2009 Cotton Bowl
2010 Cotton Bowl
2010 Rose Bowl
2011 Cotton Bowl
2012 Cotton Bowl

I could go on, but the numbers break down like this: The SEC has won 21 of the last 25 matchups against Big XII teams, including 14 of the last 15 in bowl games. Of those 21 victories, I believe 14 were double digit victories.

And spare me the "A&M bias". This trend has been going on before A&M to the SEC was even a flirtation and I've held this opinion for years: The SEC is simply better, and the numbers say it isnt close. Big XII teams, much like Pac-12 teams, win with schemes. SEC teams win by out-athleting everyone else. In the end, the SEC usually proves to be a culture shock to finesse Big XII teams used to softer defenses, which is a big reason why I think A&m will really struggle at least for a time in the SEC. It's a huge physical adjustment that is hard to make over the course of several seasons, let alone during a season.

[GloryDaysRBack]

ya, that OSU/LSU game last year proved that....oh wait....

lol @ this

OSU was gift wrapped a fiesta bowl victory over Stanford

You honestly think OSU was deserving of a championship game birth?!?

[MC KAos]

2004 Sugar Bowl
2009 Orange Bowl
2009 Cotton Bowl
2010 Cotton Bowl
2010 Rose Bowl
2011 Cotton Bowl
2012 Cotton Bowl

I could go on, but the numbers break down like this: The SEC has won 21 of the last 25 matchups against Big XII teams, including 14 of the last 15 in bowl games. Of those 21 victories, I believe 14 were double digit victories.

And spare me the "A&M bias". This trend has been going on before A&M to the SEC was even a flirtation and I've held this opinion for years: The SEC is simply better, and the numbers say it isnt close. Big XII teams, much like Pac-12 teams, win with schemes. SEC teams win by out-athleting everyone else. In the end, the SEC usually proves to be a culture shock to finesse Big XII teams used to softer defenses, which is a big reason why I think A&m will really struggle at least for a time in the SEC. It's a huge physical adjustment that is hard to make over the course of several seasons, let alone during a season.

only thing that matters in this case is the number 1 teams, the only times they played an OU team lost to tebow by ten when they were the second best team in the big 12, and Texas was dominating bama early until mccoy got hurt, and made gilbert look good for a while also, so spare me the "mismatch" its only 2 games, and as recent as 7 years ago the texas had a team that would destroy any of the SEC recent champions

[MC KAos]

lol @ this

OSU was gift wrapped a fiesta bowl victory over Stanford

You honestly think OSU was deserving of a championship game birth?!?

??????

yes they deserved a birth, their only loss was a game on the same day of a huge tragedy to their athletic family. its not their fault that the stanford kicker choked, and i dont seem to recall any questionable calls that would "giftwrap" a fiesta bowl victory.

[The30YardSlant]

only thing that matters in this case is the number 1 teams, the only times they played an OU team lost to tebow by ten when they were the second best team in the big 12, and Texas was dominating bama early until mccoy got hurt, and made gilbert look good for a while also, so spare me the "mismatch" its only 2 games, and as recent as 7 years ago the texas had a team that would destroy any of the SEC recent champions

I think you're mistaken if you believe any Texas OR OU team from the past decade would beat Bama or Auburn recent national title teams.

[The30YardSlant]

??????

yes they deserved a birth, their only loss was a game on the same day of a huge tragedy to their athletic family. its not their fault that the stanford kicker choked, and i dont seem to recall any questionable calls that would "giftwrap" a fiesta bowl victory.

Alabama would have crushed OSU, precisely because OSU didn't play a defense lik that all year.

it amazes how people CONTINUE to doubt the SEC despite them kicking *** and taking names EVERY TIME they are given the oppotunity to. At some point, it stops being coincidental.

[MC KAos]

Alabama would have crushed OSU, precisely because OSU didn't play a defense lik that all year.

it amazes how people CONTINUE to doubt the SEC despite them kicking *** and taking names EVERY TIME they are given the oppotunity to. At some point, it stops being coincidental.

it doesnt matter what you or i think, we dont know anything. you can spew all the crap you want and i can spew crap back and none of it matters because the only way to know would have been to play the game. there is a massive history in sports of teams "going to kill" another and then they get beat. thats besides the fact that it would have been LSU in there, not Bama, since they won the regular season game.

[MC KAos]

I think you're mistaken if you believe any Texas OR OU team from the past decade would beat Bama or Auburn recent national title teams.

really? the 05 longhorns couldnt beat those teams? the 09 longhorns werent nearly as good and had them on the ropes before mccoy got hurt, that team was far inferior to the 05 longhorns, in every single position! and Auburn? you know they had 4 guys TOTAL drafted from that team? maybe you should go back and look at that 05 longhorns roster, because if you think im "mistaken" by thinking they COULD beat any SEC champ, you are in denial, or just a hater.

[Cythim]

really? the 05 longhorns couldnt beat those teams? the 09 longhorns werent nearly as good and had them on the ropes before mccoy got hurt, that team was far inferior to the 05 longhorns, in every single position! and Auburn? you know they had 4 guys TOTAL drafted from that team? maybe you should go back and look at that 05 longhorns roster, because if you think im "mistaken" by thinking they COULD beat any SEC champ, you are in denial, or just a hater.

Your memory of that '09 game is vastly different from how it actually happened. It was still 0-0 when McCoy was hurt, he was knocked out on the Longhorns' opening drive. The Horns made two fieldgoals in the first quarter and Alabama answered with 24 points in the 2nd quarter to seal the game. There was no having Bama on the ropes and no dominating Bama early. Texas was out of the game on the opening drive when McCoy went down.

[MC KAos]

Your memory of that '09 game is vastly different from how it actually happened. It was still 0-0 when McCoy was hurt, he was knocked out on the Longhorns' opening drive. The Horns made two fieldgoals in the first quarter and Alabama answered with 24 points in the 2nd quarter to seal the game. There was no having Bama on the ropes and no dominating Bama early. Texas was out of the game on the opening drive when McCoy went down.

well, maybe on the ropes was a bit of an overstatement. but our D played well, garrett gilbert had 3 INTs in the first half and at one point it was a 3 point game. you cant be certain that we get the same result if colt doesnt get hurt, considering how terrible gilbert turned out to be.

[MC KAos]

btw, as horrible as gilbert was, that game was 24-21 with 3 minutes to go and we had the ball! then gilbert fumbled. that final score was horribly misleading. so, my point still stands that its really not that big of a mismatch as 30yardslant is trying to make it seem!

[rkell87]

great article on this

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19085364/champions-bowl-changes-college-footballs-big-picture

When the SEC and Big 12 announced their new bowl agreement Friday, they changed the paradigm of college football perhaps at the most critical time in the game's history. ACC and the Big East? Done in terms of being meaningful major college football conferences in the marketplace. One has barely made a blip in the BCS era. The other just pushed out its commissioner and is hanging on for dear life.

Meanwhile, interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas just hit a walk-off at the end of a career that has spanned four decades. Asked what he would do if he were ACC or Big East commissioner today, Neinas, laughing, said: “Better get a good bowl.”

The Big East, ACC and whoever else is still playing in FBS don't have war chests. They have become content farms for leftovers.

The Champions Bowl (working title) became a traveling road show that will be played at the site of the highest bidder. The Big 12 and SEC champions will play each year unless one or both champs are in the playoff. If that's the case, a second choice from the conference(s) is picked.

It's what the deal represents: If you haven't noticed, the top level of college football is now narrowed to the Big Four -- Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. Those 48 schools control most of the influence, power, money and, most important, product in the Football Bowl Subdivision. That shouldn't be a surprise, but the announcement of the Champions Bowl put a face on college athletics' latest study in Darwinism.

“Nothing's changed,” one industry source said. “The Big East is diminished and the ACC is not the same as those other top leagues.”

Still, 48 schools and two major, big-time bowls. More power in the hands of the powerful. Let your mind wander. Secede from the NCAA? They certainly have the leverage if those 46 want to install their own recruiting rules and play with 150-man rosters? And at one point does a 16-team playoff sponsored by Anheuser-Busch become a reality?

It's all on the table now.

If you're not in the Big Four, you're not big time. That means you, Miami and Florida State, who suddenly have a huge decision to make. Remain outside the Big Four with the ACC making $17 million per year in a league that can't compete for a national championship, or take your valuable brands and petition for entry into the Big 12.

Based on Friday's announcement -- the two biggest football names in the ACC could soon be making $25 million a year in the Big 12.

And if that happens, the ACC becomes a whole lot less desirable to a Notre Dame that has to be thinking seriously about joining a conference. Put it this way: ND isn't going to get better access when the four-team playoff debuts in 2014.......

[rkell87]

and I think this deserved its own post


One unique feature of this new arrangement: The Champions Bowl will be bid out. The Sugar Bowl is the preferred site, but I'm thinking Jerry Jones has a war chest of his own to bring the game to Cowboys Stadium. Atlanta and the Georgia Dome will want in.

[Biggems]

Texas has a few years to get their heads back on straight.....so they can play Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, or Georgia at the end of every season....

BTW, under the new format, there would now be a chance for the Horns to play the Aggies again......a very, very, very slim chance, but a chance nonetheless

[The30YardSlant]

really? the 05 longhorns couldnt beat those teams? the 09 longhorns werent nearly as good and had them on the ropes before mccoy got hurt, that team was far inferior to the 05 longhorns, in every single position! and Auburn? you know they had 4 guys TOTAL drafted from that team? maybe you should go back and look at that 05 longhorns roster, because if you think im "mistaken" by thinking they COULD beat any SEC champ, you are in denial, or just a hater.

The Longhorns had ONE sustained drive in the entire first half and never led in that game. Not sure how that equates to having them "on the ropes".

And Nick Saban wouldnt have gone into his "three runs and punt" offense had McCoy been in the game.

[MC KAos]

The Longhorns had ONE sustained drive in the entire first half and never led in that game. Not sure how that equates to having them "on the ropes".

And Nick Saban wouldnt have gone into his "three runs and punt" offense had McCoy been in the game.

right, the game was 24-21 for most of the 4th quarter, but saban went conservative because he was comfortable with a 3 POINT LEAD! id say to take your hater glasses off, but you have made it obvious that its impossible for you to do. those teams were a lot closer than you are making it seem, so was the previous year championship game, it wasnt a "mismatch" they were both close games at the end. is one conference better than the other? yes, but that doesnt make it a mismatch, and it doesnt mean that the best big 12 team cant beat the best sec team on any given saturday.

[The30YardSlant]

right, the game was 24-21 for most of the 4th quarter, but saban went conservative because he was comfortable with a 3 POINT LEAD! id say to take your hater glasses off, but you have made it obvious that its impossible for you to do. those teams were a lot closer than you are making it seem, so was the previous year championship game, it wasnt a "mismatch" they were both close games at the end. is one conference better than the other? yes, but that doesnt make it a mismatch, and it doesnt mean that the best big 12 team cant beat the best sec team on any given saturday.

Saban bet that Gilbert couldn't beat them, and it worked. Bama's defense ultimately won.

[Rogah]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7945482/big-12-sec-champions-meet-bowl-game-sources-say

The champions of the Big 12 and SEC conferences will meet in a bowl game annually, sources have told ESPN.com.

The agreement will begin with the 2014 season, with the champions of each conference meeting provided that neither team is in the BCS national championship game.

The style of the agreement will be similar to the one the Rose Bowl has with the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences.

The site of this bowl game is still undetermined. The Big 12 and SEC conferences are expected to make an official announcement at noon ET.


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Do you think some of the Football teams in the ACC are thinking about bolting even more now...also think about Notre Dame eventually joining a Conference as well.

Interesting times.I don't see why this would impact Notre Dame or the ACC. They'll probably either play the game in New Orleans (and maybe call it something radical like "The Sugar Bowl") or Glendale (and maybe call it something radical like "The Fiesta Bowl").

Furthermore, I honestly doubt we'll ever actually see this bowl game as currently advertised. It'll be a long time before niether the Big 12 champ nor the SEC champ are in the Final 4.

[Rogah]

Your memory of that '09 game is vastly different from how it actually happened. It was still 0-0 when McCoy was hurt, he was knocked out on the Longhorns' opening drive. The Horns made two fieldgoals in the first quarter and Alabama answered with 24 points in the 2nd quarter to seal the game. There was no having Bama on the ropes and no dominating Bama early. Texas was out of the game on the opening drive when McCoy went down.I think you're the one who has a memory of that game which is vastly different from how it actually happened. With 6 minutes to go in the game, and with a backup QB having played virtually the entire thing, Texas trailed Alabama 24-21. That sure doesn't sound to me like a game that Texas was out of from the opening drive on.

It is 100% plausible to suggest that the outcome of that game would have been much different if Texas had their Heisman Trophy candidate playing instead of a guy who had never started a game in his life.

[MC KAos]

Saban bet that Gilbert couldn't beat them, and it worked. Bama's defense ultimately won.

gilbert won bama the game, thats still beside the point that it wasnt a mismatch, it was an even game AFTER our all american, winningest qb ever at the time came out of the game. and im sure saban did it equally because he didnt trust HIS qb, since the longhorns defense played a great game and didnt let him do anything but throw picks

[MC KAos]

I think you're the one who has a memory of that game which is vastly different from how it actually happened. With 6 minutes to go in the game, and with a backup QB having played virtually the entire thing, Texas trailed Alabama 24-21. That sure doesn't sound to me like a game that Texas was out of from the opening drive on.

It is 100% plausible to suggest that the outcome of that game would have been much different if Texas had their Heisman Trophy candidate playing instead of a guy who had never started a game in his life.

a guy that lost his job to two freshmen 2 star recruits his junior year as well, gilbert was the ryan leaf of the 2008 signing class (barkley being manning)

[Aikbach]

a guy that lost his job to two freshmen 2 star recruits his junior year as well, gilbert was the ryan leaf of the 2008 signing class (barkley being manning)I was hoping ya'll would hold on to Gilbert another year ;) :D

[Cythim]

I think you're the one who has a memory of that game which is vastly different from how it actually happened. With 6 minutes to go in the game, and with a backup QB having played virtually the entire thing, Texas trailed Alabama 24-21. That sure doesn't sound to me like a game that Texas was out of from the opening drive on.

It is 100% plausible to suggest that the outcome of that game would have been much different if Texas had their Heisman Trophy candidate playing instead of a guy who had never started a game in his life.

Texas was out of the game because Gilbert was not going to beat Alabama. Most everyone knew that though I and many others hoped he could do the impossible and win the game.

I don't care about plausible, you cannot rewrite history with IFs.

[Cythim]

right, the game was 24-21 for most of the 4th quarter, but saban went conservative because he was comfortable with a 3 POINT LEAD! id say to take your hater glasses off, but you have made it obvious that its impossible for you to do. those teams were a lot closer than you are making it seem, so was the previous year championship game, it wasnt a "mismatch" they were both close games at the end. is one conference better than the other? yes, but that doesnt make it a mismatch, and it doesnt mean that the best big 12 team cant beat the best sec team on any given saturday.

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

I think calling it a mismatch is a farce simply because no other conference matches up as well as the Big 12 against the SEC. The Big 12 has the second most BCS championship appearances (tied with ACC) and has been the most relevant conference outside of the SEC over the last decade. The ACC hasn't made a title game appearance since the 2001 Orange Bowl (or the 2003 Fiesta Bowl except Miami was still in the Big East) while the Big 10 has a total of 4 appearances and the Pac-12 has 3.

Keep in mind that all of this will change. USC, OSU, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Washington will be back in the mix just as Texas is trying to climb back into it after two bad years and A&M after a bad decade. Teams and conferences go up and down and there will be a day when the SEC is the underdog conference.

[MC KAos]

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

I think calling it a mismatch is a farce simply because no other conference matches up as well as the Big 12 against the SEC. The Big 12 has the second most BCS championship appearances (tied with ACC) and has been the most relevant conference outside of the SEC over the last decade. The ACC hasn't made a title game appearance since the 2001 Orange Bowl (or the 2003 Fiesta Bowl except Miami was still in the Big East) while the Big 10 has a total of 4 appearances and the Pac-12 has 3.

Keep in mind that all of this will change. USC, OSU, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Washington will be back in the mix just as Texas is trying to climb back into it after two bad years and A&M after a bad decade. Teams and conferences go up and down and there will be a day when the SEC is the underdog conference.

all true, my only beef was that 30yardslant said it was a big mismatch. i agree the SEC is the best and all that, they will probably win most of these games. what i dont agree with is that its a huge mismatch, most of the games will be very close and competitive.

[rkell87]

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

I think calling it a mismatch is a farce simply because no other conference matches up as well as the Big 12 against the SEC. The Big 12 has the second most BCS championship appearances (tied with ACC) and has been the most relevant conference outside of the SEC over the last decade. The ACC hasn't made a title game appearance since the 2001 Orange Bowl (or the 2003 Fiesta Bowl except Miami was still in the Big East) while the Big 10 has a total of 4 appearances and the Pac-12 has 3.

Keep in mind that all of this will change. USC, OSU, Michigan, Miami, Florida State and Washington will be back in the mix just as Texas is trying to climb back into it after two bad years and A&M after a bad decade. Teams and conferences go up and down and there will be a day when the SEC is the underdog conference.

the sec will only sink to an underdog conference if they start putting in restrictions on over signing.

[Doomsday101]

I think you're mistaken if you believe any Texas OR OU team from the past decade would beat Bama or Auburn recent national title teams.

Texas almost did even with Colt McCoy injured early in the NC game vs Bama.

When people say Big 12 could not have won in a game that was never played how do you know this? Hell even underdogs win big games. To say Bama or Auburn would be favored fair enough to know the outcome is a matter of opinion

[DFWJC]

The game was 24-21 for 4 minutes of the 4th quarter. Texas scored with 6 minutes to go and Alabama scored two drives later on a Gilbert turnover. It is impossible to say how the game would have ended if McCoy was in the entire time. I believe it was an even matchup until the injury.

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It is impossible.
But I say the odds were very high that Texas would beat Bama with mcCoy at the helm. They seemed very confident at ease before he went down. He was the leader and had known no one else at QB for a long time. Just a terrible, terrible break for UT.

But the Tide did have a very tough group, so maybe they would have won anyway.

[MC KAos]

Texas almost did even with Colt McCoy injured early in the NC game vs Bama.

When people say Big 12 could not have won in a game that was never played how do you know this? Hell even underdogs win big games. To say Bama or Auburn would be favored fair enough to know the outcome is a matter of opinion

no SEC champ would be favored vs the 05 longhorns

[MC KAos]

It is impossible.
But I say the odds were very high that Texas would beat Bama with mcCoy at the helm. They seemed very confident at ease before he went down. He was the leader and had known no one else at QB for a long time. Just a terrible, terrible break for UT.

But the Tide did have a very tough group, so maybe they would have won anyway.

i think the big overall point ive been arguing is that the best SEC team and the best Big 12 team playing a game is far from a mismatch, like a certain big 12 hater has been trying to say

[The30YardSlant]

no SEC champ would be favored vs the 05 longhorns

That team's offense consisted of the zone read, short outs, ins and comebacks and Young's scrambling ability. That stuff doesn't work when the opposing lienbackers are as fast as your skill position players

[The30YardSlant]

i think the big overall point ive been arguing is that the best SEC team and the best Big 12 team playing a game is far from a mismatch, like a certain big 12 hater has been trying to say

The inter-conference battles have shown that it is typically a mismatch.

[MC KAos]

That team's offense consisted of the zone read, short outs, ins and comebacks and Young's scrambling ability. That stuff doesn't work when the opposing lienbackers are as fast as your skill position players

it worked just fine vs "the greatest college football team of all time" and that same offense worked just fine for Utah when they shellacked bama. and our D was a hell of a lot better than any D outside of the 08 sooners that the SEC has seen in any of their title runs

[MC KAos]

The inter-conference battles have shown that it is typically a mismatch.

by the same token, it has shown that the big 12 is by far the second best conference. the only thing that matters is the TOP team in each conference, its not the big12/SEC challenge, its 1 game, the champions of each conference, and the two recent games in that sense havent been mismatches at all!

[The30YardSlant]

it worked just fine vs "the greatest college football team of all time" and that same offense worked just fine for Utah when they shellacked bama. and our D was a hell of a lot better than any D outside of the 08 sooners that the SEC has seen in any of their title runs

USC's defense was statistically mediocre in 2005, and notoriously slow on the front end. In hindsight, that was a serious mismatch. That being said, they were still a Lendale White herp derp away from icing the game. And Utah ran the offense that Florida ran under Urban Myer (a spread option), completely different with much more variation.

And the Texas defense was better than OU's, but you seen to forget that SEC teams have to play each other to get to the title. The SEC has sported some of the best defenses in history over the past decade.

[The30YardSlant]

by the same token, it has shown that the big 12 is by far the second best conference!

The Big 10 is deeper, but in terms of top teams I won't argue that the Big XII is second. That ebing said, there's a big gap in program noteriety between LSU/Bama/Florida/George/Arkansas/Tennessee and Texas/OU/WVU/TCU/OSU/Tech

[Doomsday101]

no SEC champ would be favored vs the 05 longhorns

I don't know since Texas went into the 05 NC game as the underdog to USC.

My claim is no one knows what the outcome of a game never played would have been. For anyone to say OSU would have lost to Bama or LSU we will never know because the game never took place

[rkell87]

USC's defense was statistically mediocre in 2005, and notoriously slow on the front end. In hindsight, that was a serious mismatch. That being said, they were still a Lendale White herp derp away from icing the game. And Utah ran the offense that Florida ran under Urban Myer (a spread option), completely different with much more variation.

And the Texas defense was better than OU's, but you seen to forget that SEC teams have to play each other to get to the title. The SEC has sported some of the best defenses in history over the past decade.

what was the white herp derp? I remember bush trying to lateral in traffic and turning a 20 yard gain into a turn over but I don't remember what white did.

[MC KAos]

White didn't get the first down because it was a GREAT play by our D! I love how UT haters just want to make it seem like that team wasn't anything less than an all time great squad

[MC KAos]

I don't know since Texas went into the 05 NC game as the underdog to USC.

My claim is no one knows what the outcome of a game never played would have been. For anyone to say OSU would have lost to Bama or LSU we will never know because the game never took place

They were underdogs because the game was in LA and USC was being touted as the greatest team of all time! I remember ESPN having a ridiculous series where experts predicted what would happen if USC played the greatest teams of all time, they picked USC to win every single game.

As for your second paragraph, I agree completely and utterly

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know since Texas went into the 05 NC game as the underdog to USC.

My claim is no one knows what the outcome of a game never played would have been. For anyone to say OSU would have lost to Bama or LSU we will never know because the game never took place

100% correct Dooms.


That is exactly why you play them.

[Doomsday101]

They were underdogs because the game was in LA and USC was being touted as the greatest team of all time! I remember ESPN having a ridiculous series where experts predicted what would happen if USC played the greatest teams of all time, they picked USC to win every single game.

As for your second paragraph, I agree completely and utterly

reason does not matter Texas came into the game as a underdog and were 6 point underdogs vs Bama in the National Championship game in 09.

I would have loved to have seen Colt play the entire game but vs Bama, not saying Texas would have won but it would have given Texas a better chance.

[MC KAos]

reason does not matter Texas came into the game as a underdog and were 6 point underdogs vs Bama in the National Championship game in 09.

I would have loved to have seen Colt play the entire game but vs Bama, not saying Texas would have won but it would have given Texas a better chance.

true, i just think its absurd to say that this series will be lopsided. its the big 12, not conference USA

[Doomsday101]

true, i just think its absurd to say that this series will be lopsided. its the big 12, not conference USA

I agree. I have a lot of respect for the major teams of the SEC and frankly love the challege should we have the chance to play aginst the SEC.

Great thing about going out and beating a great team is you get rewarded with greater respect