View Full Version : i wish we would of kept bryant.
RoysAHitta
04-13-2005, 08:26 PM
our wr's are old, slow, and beat up. bryant, keyshawn, and glenn was a nice trio, who cares if bryant complains.. make him play out his contract. we got to many holes to fill to care about his attitude. we probably wouldn't be even considering a WR in the 1st if we kept him, now its just another hole to fill.
all i know is when one of these old men (key or glenn) go down again this year, were in huge trouble. bledsoe likes to go deep with the ball, thats not our style of offense, we're slow. mike williams isn't going to fix this problem either.
Jimz31
04-13-2005, 08:29 PM
I wouldn't have had a problem with keeping him either. This is football....these are emotional guys out there.
with all due respect roy, bryant showed flashes of brilliance and he showed a major attitude problem as well. it was a mistake ever drafting that punk to play for america's team, he isn't that good anyway! remember him crying for more passes to come his way and when bill obliged he dropped 75% of them.
however, i agree 100% that we damn well better get a playmaker receiver with this draft like an edwards, mathis, clayton, or williamson. i think mike williams is good, but he is not going to stretch the field. that is why i would like too see us get matt jones at 42 if he is still there. if nothing else that man will stretch a field
StanleySpadowski
04-13-2005, 09:13 PM
Given that Johnson and Glenn are the other two receivers, I'd take Morgan on this team over Bryant seven days a week and twice on Sunday.
While Bryant may turn out to be a better player, Morgan is a better fit for the Cowboys. Bryant does what Johnson and Glenn do, only not as well. Morgan's speed adds an element to this team that is sorely missing.
Even if Bryant ends up over a thousand yards in Cleveland and Morgan barely cracks four hundred, I still would believe that Morgan makes Dallas' offense more productive by opening the short to intermediate routes for Glenn and Witten than Bryant would.
Everlastingxxx
04-13-2005, 09:16 PM
our wr's are old, slow, and beat up.
No. Keyshawn Johnson is.
I really want to think positive about this team. Thanks for opening that old wound. ;)
Bryant is already a foavorite among most brown fans I know...
RoysAHitta
04-13-2005, 09:22 PM
i think witten could outrun keyshawn.. thats neither here nor there. but lets not kid ourselves morgan is practice squad fodder, the guy had the perfect chance to make a name for hisself last year with glenn out and he didnt. the only deminison he adds to our team is a bad one.
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 09:24 PM
Patrick Crayton = Possible Playmaker. At least a good 3rd WR......
Patrick Crayton = Possible Playmaker. At least a good 3rd WR......
i too think patrick could be a good receiver for this fine orginization, well said crown!
big dog cowboy
04-13-2005, 09:46 PM
our wr's are old, slow, and beat up. bryant, keyshawn, and glenn was a nice trio, who cares if bryant complains.. make him play out his contract. we got to many holes to fill to care about his attitude. we probably wouldn't be even considering a WR in the 1st if we kept him, now its just another hole to fill.
all i know is when one of these old men (key or glenn) go down again this year, were in huge trouble. bledsoe likes to go deep with the ball, thats not our style of offense, we're slow. mike williams isn't going to fix this problem either.
Hell we might as well cancel the season. Since the schedule came out today, we know at least we know who the Cowboys would have played.
Gimme a break. The sky isn't falling.
RoysAHitta
04-13-2005, 09:51 PM
ease up on the sarcasm and present a valid point, or better yet forget to post in my thread at all. thanks have a nice day.
CowboyChris
04-13-2005, 09:57 PM
as many of you know, our WR corp is total garbage, i could make the same argument about our QB's too, but i dont want to get into all that. i too am i hoping we land a (playmaker) WR in the 1st round... i doubt Williams or Edwards will fall to us, but i like Clayton alot...reminds me of Steve Smith.
THEHEREAFTER
04-13-2005, 09:59 PM
our wr's are old, slow, and beat up. bryant, keyshawn, and glenn was a nice trio, who cares if bryant complains.. make him play out his contract. we got to many holes to fill to care about his attitude. we probably wouldn't be even considering a WR in the 1st if we kept him, now its just another hole to fill.
all i know is when one of these old men (key or glenn) go down again this year, were in huge trouble. bledsoe likes to go deep with the ball, thats not our style of offense, we're slow. mike williams isn't going to fix this problem either.
Good points.. but let it go... we got Quincy Morgan.. and we have 3 picks in the top 42 to be excited about... it's a great time for Cowboys fans.. the last thing on my mind is AB
trickblue
04-13-2005, 10:00 PM
Geez...
Look... Key is no superstar... but he does do the little things... WELL... he gives 100% every play and blocks downfield....
I had high hopes for AB last year when he stated his problems were his... he wanted to make it right and work hard...
He proved himself as being an arse by throwing his jersey in the face of a HOF coach...
If you want AB here... well fine... but I don't... give Q Morgan a chance... he has the tools and he grew up a Cowboy fan and WANTS to play here...
dools
04-13-2005, 10:04 PM
Given that Johnson and Glenn are the other two receivers, I'd take Morgan on this team over Bryant seven days a week and twice on Sunday.
While Bryant may turn out to be a better player, Morgan is a better fit for the Cowboys. Bryant does what Johnson and Glenn do, only not as well. Morgan's speed adds an element to this team that is sorely missing.
Even if Bryant ends up over a thousand yards in Cleveland and Morgan barely cracks four hundred, I still would believe that Morgan makes Dallas' offense more productive by opening the short to intermediate routes for Glenn and Witten than Bryant would.
Antonio Bryant doesn't have speed?
InmanRoshi
04-13-2005, 10:28 PM
Exactly how many chances does a guy need to get his s#@t straight before he's officially a punk?
He's been a coach's nightmare everywhere he's been. Just wait .. he'll be one for Cleveland too. The first time the Browns have a lead in the 2nd half and start playing ball control, Bryant will throw a fit because he's not getting up his numbers. Crennell comes from an environment where people put aside personal goals for winning, and I doubt he puts up with Antonio for long. Especially if he's berating a rookie QB next year on the sideline. I know Dilfer won't put up with it.
NicholasD
04-13-2005, 10:34 PM
AB was a festering cancer to this team and I'm glad he's gone. Anyone who defends the guy doesn't fully understand the concept of team chemistry and how a guy like AB negatively affects the team.
silverbear
04-13-2005, 10:47 PM
our wr's are old, slow, and beat up.
Keyshawn and Glenn are the only two "old" WRs on the team... as for "slow", try telling DBs around the league that Glenn and Morgan are slow...
bryant, keyshawn, and glenn was a nice trio, who cares if bryant complains...
It appears you're not real clear about the concept of TEAM sports... if you've got a guy who consistently puts his own selfish interests ahead of those of the team, you HAVE to cut out the cancer... failure to do so sends a signal to the rest of your players that this kind of BS is acceptable... pretty soon, you've got 53 guys doin' their own thing...
You'll also have a really, really bad team... think about it, as great a WR as Randy Moss is, how many championships have his teams won??
all i know is when one of these old men (key or glenn) go down again this year, were in huge trouble.
You don't know anything of the sort, and you make yourself look silly when you say you do... the reason you don't know anything of the sort is really quite simple-- you don't know who the Cowboys might draft, or who they might look at in free agency...
Now, if training camp rolls around and we're still looking at the status quo, THEN maybe you'll have a legitimate gripe... but if the Boys do indeed spend an early draft pick on a Roddy White or Mark Clayton, I'm gonna be real content with our WR corps...
silverbear
04-13-2005, 10:50 PM
ease up on the sarcasm and present a valid point, or better yet forget to post in my thread at all. thanks have a nice day.
I see that besides being unclear on the concept of team sports, you're unclear on how a message board works... LOL...
Incidentally, where did you ever get the notion that Antonio Bryant was FAST?? Glenn and Morgan would both leave him in the dust... AB's speed is really quite average for a WR...
Antonio's problem was he expected to have things handed to him on a silver platter. It doesn't happen that way at this level.
His lack of patience cost him, too. Had he just shut his trap a little longer, he would have been a starter in no time since Terry Glenn went down.
Players that aren't willing to work their way into the lineup shouldn't even be given the opportunity. We simply don't need mentalities like that, with or without Parcells. All it does is facilitate a me-first, losing attitude.
I realize the perception was that Antonio would have never been given a chance to start over Glenn and Johnson. Yet even as a non-starter, he was getting plenty of balls thrown his way over the first five games of the season. He's a pup in this league, he should be a little more willing to go about his business and wait for his call into the starting lineup.
RodBro
04-13-2005, 11:14 PM
IMO, Bryant had a right to be pissed. Any other team in the league and he's a starter. I don't think he had a chance to compete and he knew it. Glenn should have taken less snaps, he's frail. Glenn should've been the third guy all along. BTW, Bryant isn't Joey Galloway, usually if he makes deep play he does it Irvin stlye, chuck the rock and I'll just take it from this idiot that's covering me.
IMO, Bryant had a right to be pissed. Any other team in the league and he's a starter. I don't think he had a chance to compete and he knew it. Glenn should have taken less snaps, he's frail. Glenn should've been the third guy all along. BTW, Bryant isn't Joey Galloway, usually if he makes deep play he does it Irvin stlye, chuck the rock and I'll just take it from this idiot that's covering me.
Bryant would hardly be a starter on 'any other team in the league.'
Drew Henson has a right to be pissed about not starting. It doesn't mean he should throw a towel in Parcells' face and demand to start. If he did that, after getting a good laugh, we'd all pray for and demand his release. And rightfully so.
That's stuff you see in the movies. Not real life. Players that pull that on Hall of Fame coaches and show no ability to translate their aggression in a positive manner on the football field have a very short leash.
Billy Bullocks
04-13-2005, 11:24 PM
I liked Bryant alot, he had alot of Swagger, but then again I only saw a guy who came out on Sunday's and was emotional. I did notice his ****ty route running, and dropped balls. Parcells gave him a fair shot after that jersey incident, and he blew it. There's alot of players who come out of college with loads of potential, but an attitude problem. For every Lawrence Taylor there's a Lawrence Philips
SALADIN
04-13-2005, 11:27 PM
Wrong place, wrong time, wrong player and wrong coach.
A.B. was just too young and immature and B.P. was just too old and stubourn.
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:28 PM
IMO, Bryant had a right to be pissed. Any other team in the league and he's a starter. I don't think he had a chance to compete and he knew it. Glenn should have taken less snaps, he's frail. Glenn should've been the third guy all along. BTW, Bryant isn't Joey Galloway, usually if he makes deep play he does it Irvin stlye, chuck the rock and I'll just take it from this idiot that's covering me.
IMO opinion, that's ridiculous. It isn't as if he never got on the field - we were running plenty of 3 WR packages and such. One EARNS the right to play on this team, not handed it because they think, or others think, they deserve it.
AB had plenty of talent, but he didn't have the head. Why should Glenn have been the third guy? He had proven himself under Parcells sans complaints, and Keyshawn is a former ProBowl WR. Just because AB thought he should have started immediately doesn't mean he was right.
If he had concerned himself with listening to a HOF coach and helping the team win, he could have been a star. Instead he is in the land of Brown. Enjoy, AB.
InmanRoshi
04-13-2005, 11:33 PM
The whole "Bryant had a right to complain, he should have been a starter" is a red herring.
He was a headache for Walt Harris at Pitt when he was the #1 Guy, and was kicked off the team for fighting with an assitant coach.
If it wasn't the starting status, it would have been that he wasn't the #1 WR. If it wasn't that he wasn't the #1 WR, it would have been that we ran the ball too much. Bryant is the type of guy who believes the other 52 men on the team are supporting cast members who serve no other purpose than to make him look good.
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:34 PM
The whole "Bryant had a right to complain, he should have been a starter" is a red herring.
He was a headache for Walt Harris at Pitt when he was the #1 Guy, and was kicked off the team for fighting with an assitant coach.
If it wasn't the starting status, it would have been that he wasn't the #1 WR. If it wasn't that he wasn't the #1 WR, it would have been that we didn't run the ball enough.
Word. He was a pain in the neck.....
.....funny if you have ever seen his neck.
The whole "Bryant had a right to complain, he should have been a starter" is a red herring.
He was a headache for Walt Harris at Pitt when he was the #1 Guy, and was kicked off the team for fighting with an assitant coach.
If it wasn't the starting status, it would have been that he wasn't the #1 WR. If it wasn't that he wasn't the #1 WR, it would have been that we ran the ball too much. Bryant is the type of guy who believes the other 52 men on the team are supporting cast members who serve no other purpose than to make him look good.
Ding Ding Ding.
Complainers find ways to complain.
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:37 PM
Ding Ding Ding.
Complainers find ways to complain.
No joke....see below:
http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/spagnola_50.jpg
complaining about:
http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/235201.jpg
Muhast
04-13-2005, 11:38 PM
I truthfully think both Copper and Crayton are better for us next season then Morgan.
trickblue
04-13-2005, 11:38 PM
IMO, Bryant had a right to be pissed. Any other team in the league and he's a starter. I don't think he had a chance to compete and he knew it. Glenn should have taken less snaps, he's frail. Glenn should've been the third guy all along. BTW, Bryant isn't Joey Galloway, usually if he makes deep play he does it Irvin stlye, chuck the rock and I'll just take it from this idiot that's covering me.
He IS starting... for the Browns...
What right does any athlete have to be pissed for pulling in a million plus a year?
He was afforded chances here... he took his own route... I wish him no malice...
A punk is a punk... no matter how you slice him...
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:39 PM
He IS starting... for the Browns...
What right does any athlete have to be pissed for pulling in a million plus a year?
He was afforded chances here... he took his own route... I wish him no malice...
A punk is a punk... no matter how you slice him...
He isn't happy starting there, last I checked......:(
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:40 PM
I truthfully think both Copper and Crayton are better for us next season then Morgan.
Crayton, yes. I think, especially if we draft another WR, that Copper barely makes the 53 roster (more likely cut).
Heard it here first.
Billy Bullocks
04-13-2005, 11:40 PM
Keyshawn, well he did exactly what we asked and payed him to do. Around 1000 yds, 70 cathes and some TD's. As far as I remember, Glenn was tearing up teams before he went down. If you didn't notice while watching our games last year, we have alot of good options to throw to. This isn't an offense that relies on our lead WR only, and I don't think anyone will get 100+ catches with us anytime soon. The ball gets spread around between Glenn, Johnson and Witten.
I really don't see why people are so against Johnson and Glenn, they do a good job. I'm not saying dont address WR, need to get younger, but come on. I mean, bashing Glenn is stupid, when we lost him, we lost our playmaker. Just watch that Washington game again.
trickblue
04-13-2005, 11:41 PM
He isn't happy starting there, last I checked......:(
EXACTLY... an arsehole by any other name still looks like a balloon knot...
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:41 PM
Keyshawn, well he did exactly what we asked and payed him to do. Around 1000 yds, 70 cathes and some TD's. As far as I remember, Glenn was tearing up teams before he went down. If you didn't notice while watching our games last year, we have alot of good options to throw to. This isn't an offense that relies on our lead WR only, and I don't think anyone will get 100+ catches with us anytime soon. The ball gets spread around between Glenn, Johnson and Witten.
I really don't see why people are so against Johnson and Glenn, they do a good job. I'm not saying dont address WR, need to get younger, but come on. I mean, bashing Glenn is stupid, when we lost him, we lost our playmaker. Just watch that Washington game again.
BB = Voice of Reason.
Hostile
04-13-2005, 11:42 PM
The day AB threw his jersey on the ground is the day I no longer cared if he remained a Cowboy or not. He amplified that by then throwing it in Parcells' face.
There has been plenty that came out since then showing that he was a major distraction and locker room malcontent.
Good riddance.
Keyshawn, well he did exactly what we asked and payed him to do. Around 1000 yds, 70 cathes and some TD's. As far as I remember, Glenn was tearing up teams before he went down. If you didn't notice while watching our games last year, we have alot of good options to throw to. This isn't an offense that relies on our lead WR only, and I don't think anyone will get 100+ catches with us anytime soon. The ball gets spread around between Glenn, Johnson and Witten.
I really don't see why people are so against Johnson and Glenn, they do a good job. I'm not saying dont address WR, need to get younger, but come on. I mean, bashing Glenn is stupid, when we lost him, we lost our playmaker. Just watch that Washington game again.
It's quite funny, really. The quiet guys that produce like Ellis and Glenn get bashed, while malcontents like Ross and Bryant are long missed by a fairly considerate amount of people. Perhaps the folks that are unhappy simply speak the loudest, but there's something odd about this equation.
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:46 PM
It's quite funny, really. The quiet guys that produce like Ellis and Glenn get bashed, while malcontents like Ross and Bryant are long missed by a fairly considerate amount of people. Perhaps the folks that are unhappy simply speak the loudest, but there's something odd about this equation.
False....just about everyone hated Hambrick....
Hostile
04-13-2005, 11:47 PM
It's quite funny, really. The quiet guys that produce like Ellis and Glenn get bashed, while malcontents like Ross and Bryant are long missed by a fairly considerate amount of people. Perhaps the folks that are unhappy simply speak the loudest, but there's something odd about this equation.It does seem like that happens a lot.
False....just about everyone hated Hambrick....
We should make a trade to reacquire him. It'd be nice to have a unifying force on the message board again.
Crown Royal
04-13-2005, 11:48 PM
We should make a trade to reacquire him. It'd be nice to have a unifying force on the message board again.
Nah - we have Nors....
Nors vs. CowboysZone....
Unifying enough?
silverbear
04-13-2005, 11:56 PM
Antonio's problem was he expected to have things handed to him on a silver platter. It doesn't happen that way at this level.
The thing is, that was his problem in college too... he came into the NFL with a rep as a selfish malcontent, and has only reinforced that image with his actions while with the Cowboys...
So, he was a PITA in college, and a PITA in his first coupla years with the Cowboys... a pattern has emerged; if you have the same problems in several different situations, the odds are YOU'RE the problem...
trickblue
04-13-2005, 11:59 PM
The thing is, that was his problem in college too... he came into the NFL with a rep as a selfish malcontent, and has only reinforced that image with his actions while with the Cowboys...
So, he was a PITA in college, and a PITA in his first coupla years with the Cowboys... a pattern has emerged; if you have the same problems in several different situations, the odds are YOU'RE the problem...
Agreed... people here offer Bryant chance after chance... but automatically a good guy like Q Morgan is a bust...
Can we not afford him a full season?
CowboyChris
04-14-2005, 12:01 AM
this whole debate is pointless, AB is gone and probably for the best, im not dissapointed with Morgan although i realize he isnt going to be the "go to guy" he will be a nice complimentary WR in our system, im all for taking a playmaking WR in the 1st round if the right opprotunity comes.
silverbear
04-14-2005, 12:07 AM
this whole debate is pointless, AB is gone and probably for the best, im not dissapointed with Morgan although i realize he isnt going to be the "go to guy" he will be a nice complimentary WR in our system, im all for taking a playmaking WR in the 1st round if the right opprotunity comes.
Folks seem to forget that in 2002, Quincy gained nearly 1000 yards receiving for the Browns (56 catches, 964 yards)... I'll take a third WR with that kind of potential all day, every day... Bryant hasn't come close to having a season as good as Morgan's 2002 season...
Coincidentally, both players have an identical 14.9 yards per reception average...
I don't think that most Cowboys fans fully appreciate that Morgan battled a bad hamstring after he came to the Cowboys... I'm actually right eager to see how he does once that hammy is fully healed...
Fletch
04-14-2005, 12:10 AM
Even if Bryant had of peaked and elevated his game, he would have been no more than a 2nd string WR. The boy flashed talent, but at the same time, he couldn't put a team on his back and carry them. He needed help. He was merely a role player.
Good riddance to the kid that never grew up!
trickblue
04-14-2005, 12:11 AM
I don't think that most Cowboys fans fully appreciate that Morgan battled a bad hamstring after he came to the Cowboys... I'm actually right eager to see how he does once that hammy is fully healed...
I sure do SB... I wish Cowboy fans would give him a chance... he has ALL the tools...
WAY too many are writing him off as a nothing... that is foolish...
This kid is big... fast... and can flat out catch the ball... not to mention the fact he is playing for his favorite team now... and that DOES make a difference...
Oh... and he is a character kid... another plus...
Hostile
04-14-2005, 12:12 AM
Even if Bryant had of peaked and elevated his game, he would have been no more than a 2nd string WR. The boy flashed talent, but at the same time, he couldn't put a team on his back and carry them. He needed help. He was merely a role player.
Good riddance to the kid that never grew up!Why am I suddenly seeing him in a Peter Pan outfit signing that annoying song?
InmanRoshi
04-14-2005, 12:12 AM
It's quite funny, really. The quiet guys that produce like Ellis and Glenn get bashed, while malcontents like Ross and Bryant are long missed by a fairly considerate amount of people. Perhaps the folks that are unhappy simply speak the loudest, but there's something odd about this equation.
You see the same phenomenon around draft time too. When a player like Antaaj Hawthorne comes up failing a drug test, its almost like a certain segment of people want him even more because of it. If Maurice Clarett just had 4 productive, quiet years and runs a 4.8 at the Combine, we're calling him the next Rashaan Salaam. Ho hum. Boring. But since he was kicked off the team and controversy surrounding him, he has intrigue and mystery surrounding him, he becomes very appealing.
I'm not sure if its forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest, or if its kind of like the girl who dates exclusively a-hols and has the "He's just misunderstood. Nobody understands him but me" mentality.
Fletch
04-14-2005, 12:14 AM
Why am I suddenly seeing him in a Peter Pan outfit signing that annoying song?
LOL Ya know, didn't even realize how close I was to talking about Peter Pan. Thanks Hos. :D
Sarge
04-14-2005, 06:07 AM
i think witten could outrun keyshawn.. .
cbz could outrun Key..........
I sure do SB... I wish Cowboy fans would give him a chance... he has ALL the tools...
WAY too many are writing him off as a nothing... that is foolish...
This kid is big... fast... and can flat out catch the ball... not to mention the fact he is playing for his favorite team now... and that DOES make a difference...
Oh... and he is a character kid... another plus...
I posted a thread on Morgan. Watch his run blocking in the hot stepper video. It is very, very solid.
I expect people to change their tune on Morgan this year.
Cbz40
04-14-2005, 06:40 AM
cbz could outrun Key..........
You can bet your bottom dollar I can. :)
Sarge
04-14-2005, 06:55 AM
You can bet your bottom dollar I can. :)
Mornin' Pops.
Cbz40
04-14-2005, 06:59 AM
Mornin' Pops.
Morning Sarge......have a great day
Folks seem to forget that in 2002, Quincy gained nearly 1000 yards receiving for the Browns (56 catches, 964 yards)... I'll take a third WR with that kind of potential all day, every day... Bryant hasn't come close to having a season as good as Morgan's 2002 season...
Coincidentally, both players have an identical 14.9 yards per reception average...
I don't think that most Cowboys fans fully appreciate that Morgan battled a bad hamstring after he came to the Cowboys... I'm actually right eager to see how he does once that hammy is fully healed...
Not too mention that before he got hurt, he pulled in a long pass for a TD were he blew by everyone on one of his 1st plays as a Cowboy. So he was hurt last year, so was Mike Irvin his second year in the leauge. Good thing no one wrote him off.
You wish we had kept Bryans and I wish we had drafted better over the last 6 or so years. Neither will happen and won't change anything so complaining is basiccally useless.
Bryant was a whiney arse and will always be a whiney arse unless he wakes up to life in general. Give Morgan a chance and see what comes of it. Hopefully after this year we'll all say "what was that guy we traded to get Morgan, Antonio something or other"
wileedog
04-14-2005, 08:10 AM
Morgan is 6'1", 210 and ran a 4.38 coming out of college. He was extremely productive in college, and like Bryant was considered a 1st round talent by many. He slipped because of his tendency to drop the ball, and like Bryant thought he was the 2nd Coming.
Bottom line is if we drafted a guy like this in this years draft we would be drooling all over him.
I think he warrants some further review before writing him off.
(BTW, Bryant ran a 4.55 coming out. He's a hardly a good 'speed' compliment for Glenn and Key).
Everlastingxxx
04-14-2005, 10:17 AM
Morgan is 6'1", 210 and ran a 4.38 coming out of college. He was extremely productive in college, and like Bryant was considered a 1st round talent by many. He slipped because of his tendency to drop the ball, and like Bryant thought he was the 2nd Coming.
Bottom line is if we drafted a guy like this in this years draft we would be drooling all over him.
I think he warrants some further review before writing him off.
(BTW, Bryant ran a 4.55 coming out. He's a hardly a good 'speed' compliment for Glenn and Key).
So far we have seen nothing of Morgan. He looked terrible last season. The guy didn't get the nickname "stonehands" for nothing. I'd rather have a sure handed receiver as #3. The other two scrub 7th rounders made the big catches while Morgan dropped them.
As for Antonio. Hey you guys can bash him for whatever...but i find it interesting that all this negative talk about Antonio happened AFTER he left the Cowboys. But anyways...if he was this horrible person, we should have never drafted him. This is why we should be weary of becoming fans of ANY Cowboy player.
trickblue
04-14-2005, 10:26 AM
So far we have seen nothing of Morgan. He looked terrible last season. The guy didn't get the nickname "stonehands" for nothing. I'd rather have a sure handed receiver as #3. The other two scrub 7th rounders made the big catches while Morgan dropped them.
As for Antonio. Hey you guys can bash him for whatever...but i find it interesting that all this negative talk about Antonio happened AFTER he left the Cowboys. But anyways...if he was this horrible person, we should have never drafted him. This is why we should be weary of becoming fans of ANY Cowboy player.
There was PLENTY of negative talk about AB when he was here... most were always on edge waiting for him to explode but we supported him because he wore the star...
Chocolate Lab
04-14-2005, 10:43 AM
It's amazing to me that as GREAT as Antonio Bryant is, and as WORTHLESS and STONEHANDED as Quincy Morgan is, Antonio still has never had as good a career year as Morgan has.
Edit, I missed that SilverBear beat me to this point... But really, if Morgan were as bad as people say, he'd never have put up better numbers than AB. Could someone explain to me how that's possible?
Also, great comments from Dale and IR on the "forbidden fruit". People seem to love these losers like Ross and Bryant more than they do the good guys. Makes no sense.
Eddie
04-14-2005, 10:54 AM
AB reminds me of the hot girl in HS. Nothing but a tease.
WV Cowboy
04-14-2005, 11:16 AM
When I think of all that Parcells has tolerated from other players in the past, I realize he will give a player the benefit of the doubt.
Plus when AB threw the jersey at Parcells, and Parcells didn't put his shoe "where the sun don't shine" as he sent him packing, I realized he gave AB the benefit of the doubt.
So to then hear later that we traded him, I took it that Parcells had had enough.
Glad he is gone. He didn't do enough on the field to justify keeping him.
They are both starting out fresh this year with new teams. Lets see how they compare later in the year.
RoysAHitta
04-14-2005, 04:44 PM
glenns longest catch as a cowboy - 51 yards
keyshawns longest catch as a cowboy - 39 yards (lol!!!)
bryants longest catch as a cowboy - 78 yards
morgans longest catch as a cowboy - 53 yards
take into consideration that bryant was always the #3 wr too..
i'll take game stats over 40 times any day of the week..
the reason im stunned about losing guys like bryant and ross is because we draft these guys with high round picks thinking that our HOF coach can shape these self-centered players (i.e. keyshawn) into team players, and he can't do it.
i just hate to see us losing young talent simply because of our coaches agenda of winning now and sacrficing the future by playing vets instead of giving our youth a shot, i mean we're a 6-10 team.. give a young guy like bryant a chance.
and the times that he does let a younger guy like bradie james take over lb instead of coakley, the results are devasting. i just dont know.. if its the players or the coach.
keyshawn and glenn are past their primes.. and nobody is game planning around morgan. our biggest threat is jason witten as far as passing goes, and thats not going to take us to the big dance.
Doomsday101
04-14-2005, 04:45 PM
I wish Bryant was more mature
i think Bryant would have been a free agent this year or next either way he was not going to be back.
tyke1doe
04-14-2005, 05:30 PM
glenns longest catch as a cowboy - 51 yards
keyshawns longest catch as a cowboy - 39 yards (lol!!!)
bryants longest catch as a cowboy - 78 yards
morgans longest catch as a cowboy - 53 yards
take into consideration that bryant was always the #3 wr too..
i'll take game stats over 40 times any day of the week..
the reason im stunned about losing guys like bryant and ross is because we draft these guys with high round picks thinking that our HOF coach can shape these self-centered players (i.e. keyshawn) into team players, and he can't do it.
i just hate to see us losing young talent simply because of our coaches agenda of winning now and sacrficing the future by playing vets instead of giving our youth a shot, i mean we're a 6-10 team.. give a young guy like bryant a chance.
and the times that he does let a younger guy like bradie james take over lb instead of coakley, the results are devasting. i just dont know.. if its the players or the coach.
keyshawn and glenn are past their primes.. and nobody is game planning around morgan. our biggest threat is jason witten as far as passing goes, and thats not going to take us to the big dance.
Excuse me but is Parcells ?
If couldn't get one of Disciples to change (remember Judas) what makes you think that Parcells can turn a pig into a prince? :rolleyes:
Some of you just can't get through your thick skulls is that some people's character is set. And the only way they change is if they want to. And even in that case, it's very, very difficult to be somebody your'e not.
And talent means nothing without attitude. Give me 10 overachievers any day. I'll beat your 10 talented, half-hearted scrubs a majority of the time, especially when it matters most.
There's a reason Jerry Rice can elevate his teammates and Randy Moss can't.
In addition, I think many of you miss the reason why Parcells let Bryant go.
Rmember the report that Bryant refused to come out of the game, costing the Cowboys a time out, because he thought he should be on the field at a critical time?
INEXCUSEABLE!!!!!
You simply CANNOT have that type of insubordination.
Pulease. Some of you are so in love with talent that you overlook major character flaws that will destroy not only players but clubs also.
Billy Bullocks
04-14-2005, 05:47 PM
Bryant was the Belitnakof(sp) winner in college. Edwards won it this year, Fitzgerald last year, those are the talent level of players who take that trophy. We're talking about the best WR in that draft class, based on talent, he slipped to round 2 cuz of his attitude, we took a gamble on him, and it didnt end up paying off. Had he turned his talent into consistant production on the field, we would have looked so smart.
Derek Ross, another guy projected to be a 1st rounder on talent, but ended up slipping because of his attitude..don't get too butt hurt about him either, what's he done?
BTW, Parcells didn't pick either of these guys..
Billy Bullocks
04-14-2005, 05:50 PM
Folks seem to forget that in 2002, Quincy gained nearly 1000 yards receiving for the Browns (56 catches, 964 yards)... I'll take a third WR with that kind of potential all day, every day... Bryant hasn't come close to having a season as good as Morgan's 2002 season...
I don't think that most Cowboys fans fully appreciate that Morgan battled a bad hamstring after he came to the Cowboys... I'm actually right eager to see how he does once that hammy is fully healed...
EXACTLY. The 1 game he was healthy for he ripped 4 cathces for 76 yds, until he aggravated that hammy. Granted it was against a bad GB defense, but he showed that he had some skill that game. Just give him a chance, I'm not saying he's the next great thing, but a 2nd or 3rd WR, sure. He has speed, and he's pretty big. Before we write him off, give him a fair shot, when he's healthy
Crown Royal
04-14-2005, 06:07 PM
glenns longest catch as a cowboy - 51 yards
keyshawns longest catch as a cowboy - 39 yards (lol!!!)
bryants longest catch as a cowboy - 78 yards
morgans longest catch as a cowboy - 53 yards
take into consideration that bryant was always the #3 wr too..
i'll take game stats over 40 times any day of the week..
the reason im stunned about losing guys like bryant and ross is because we draft these guys with high round picks thinking that our HOF coach can shape these self-centered players (i.e. keyshawn) into team players, and he can't do it.
i just hate to see us losing young talent simply because of our coaches agenda of winning now and sacrficing the future by playing vets instead of giving our youth a shot, i mean we're a 6-10 team.. give a young guy like bryant a chance.
and the times that he does let a younger guy like bradie james take over lb instead of coakley, the results are devasting. i just dont know.. if its the players or the coach.
keyshawn and glenn are past their primes.. and nobody is game planning around morgan. our biggest threat is jason witten as far as passing goes, and thats not going to take us to the big dance.
So? AB leads on big plays. That is hardly the stat people look for when evaluating WRs. What is his yard total, TD total, AYC, YAC, etc.?
Parcells didn't draft this guy, Campo/Jones did. And James DIDN'T take over LB. When we discovered he couldn't Coakley kept the job. They SWITCHED, but a big difference.
Billy Bullocks
04-14-2005, 06:12 PM
The biggest difference is that Parcells picked Johnson, and so far has been the only coach who has been able to controll him. Gruden couldn't, but Parcells sure has been good at it. Parcells didnt chose to have Bryant or Ross, they were already on the team, and they received ample opportunities to stay on it. Ross already has flared out of the league, and we will see where Bryant ends up, I see a journeyman
RoysAHitta
04-14-2005, 06:17 PM
i just miss bryant, he was young and full of fire. i LIKE aggressive wr's like him, he wasnt afraid of a hit and he showed flashes of greatness.. and he had speed. thats the exact wr this team is missing.. maybe he was over-confident in himself, thats not a bad thing. i just think glenn woulda made a good slot wr and let bryant man the #2 spot. i wish we could of got more for him than quincy morgan.
our offense would of been set this year i think. but oh well, whats done is done.. sorry for bringing up the past. a mod can delete this thread if they want.
JackMagist
04-14-2005, 06:20 PM
I can't believe we are still discussing much less bemoaning the loss of that miscreant. He is gone...good riddance.
Canadian BoyzFan
04-14-2005, 06:21 PM
I can't believe we are still discussing much less bemoaning the loss of that miscreant. He is gone...good riddance.
Not my favourite Cowboy either.
Billy Bullocks
04-14-2005, 07:20 PM
flashes of greatness? maybe on one or two catches..like the one against carolina. get over the kid, he's played 3 sesasons in this league and has nothing to show for it. Irvin was doing things year 3. and woulda been real good in year 2 if he didnt get injured. come on. give it up guys
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