Would you give up eating meat?

[rash]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/13/less-meat-prevent-climate-change

"refusing meat" is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."

Would you give up eating meat if it were to ameliorate the climate change crisis?

[Cajuncowboy]

:laugh2:

Hell no!

[Afigueroa22]

This whole giving up meat to reduce your carbon footprint was started by the cows, ya know.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

No way.

[Illini88228]

Given where Dallas is, and how that part of the country feels about climate change, I doubt there's much consensus on this board that climate change is a crisis. Just sayin...

[Doomsday]

I dont think there is any way I could stop eating meat.

[Cajuncowboy]

This whole giving up meat to reduce your carbon footprint was started by the cows, ya know.

Well, more or less.... :D

http://www.duetsblog.com/uploads/image/eat-more-chicken.jpg

[Yeagermeister]

No friggen way :laugh1:

[Rynie]

I tried once to do a cleanse...lasted 7 days..that sonic cheeseburger never tasted so good.

[Cajuncowboy]

And by the way, if you are buying into this tripe, don't go organic.

http://times247.com/24-7-videos/study-organic-eaters-are-meaner-more-judgmental

Eating organic makes you a jerk.

:D

[Hoofbite]

This sounds like complete bull****.

How about you just eat meat that isn't raised with crops that are fertilized with that type of fertilizer?

My family goes to some local guy who raises grass fed cows without the hormones and whatever else and they split a cow with some friends of the family. We don't do it because we're organic or anything and want all that promotional part but my family knows the guy and he cuts a pretty sweet deal to where the half cow on a per pound basis comes out right around the cost of hamburger at the store. And it has everything, steaks, roasts, burger.....whatever you want out of the meat you can get. Just gotta let him know before hand.

When I read this, it just reeks of some holier-than-thou vegan who's trying to appeal to the climate change crowd.

[zrinkill]

Something I never understood.

Environmentalist and evolutionist are usually the same people.

One one hand they say we are unnaturally destroying the environment.

One the other hand they say we are just another animal who has no more right to live than any other .

But if we are just animals how are we doing anything unnatural that nature cannot handle ........ when we evolved naturally?

[5Stars]

And by the way, if you are buying into this tripe, don't go organic.

http://times247.com/24-7-videos/study-organic-eaters-are-meaner-more-judgmental

Eating organic makes you a jerk.

:D

Then my whole damn family are jerks! That's all they eat and it makes me sick!

:mad:


It was not long ago that today I would be out grilling steaks and such!


We used to have basic family meals until our stepdaughter moved in with us. But, noooo...she has everyone eating all that crap!

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yes. I have cut down meat quite a bit in recent months since learning of this.

[5Stars]

Yes. I have cut down meat quite a bit in recent months since learning of this.

:rolleyes: :cool:

I bet Austin eats meat...

[Romo 2 Austin]

:rolleyes: :cool:

I bet Austin eats meat...

Well that changes nothing.. I used to eat meat 3 meals a day. Now I eat it one time, usually dinner.

[5Stars]

Well that changes nothing.. I used to eat meat 3 meals a day. Now I eat it one time, usually dinner.

That's cool...just don't believe some of the crap you read. ;)

Eating chicken or turkey is probably the best for you, but a good steak now and then is good. Hell, even a bologna sammie tastes good sometimes!

;)

[Hoofbite]

Well that changes nothing.. I used to eat meat 3 meals a day. Now I eat it one time, usually dinner.

Why not just find a source of meat that isn't crop-fed?

[Faerluna]

she has everyone eating all that crap!

....you mean plants?

:laugh2:

[WoodysGirl]

I gave up beef and pork almost 20 years ago. Mainly for dietary reasons. I eat chicken, turkey, and fish. At this point, whenever I've eaten beef by accident, I get a stomachache.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Nah, I recycle most things I have so eating meat will be my one vice.

[Hostile]

Not even with a gun to my head.

[tomson75]

Oh hell no.

[5Stars]

....you mean plants?

:laugh2:

Plants, mixed with all kind of seeds and nuts and other crap! Hell, they have to order some of that crap on the internet because stores around here don't carry it!

(i'm gonna sneak in some marijuana seeds someday into that garbage they eat...i bet after an hour or so, they will be begging to go to Sonic)!

It tastes dry, nasty, and it makes my feet hurt!

:mad:

I want food that makes my teeth sweat!!

;)

[Faerluna]

Plants, mixed with all kind of seeds and nuts and other crap!

It tastes dry, nasty, and it makes my feet hurt!

:mad:

I want food that makes my teeth sweat!!

;)

I don't think there are rules to adding hot sauce and spices to a vegan based diet. After all, peppers are vegetables. ;)

[5Stars]

I don't think there are rules to adding hot sauce and spices to a vegan based diet. After all, peppers are vegetables. ;)

I know...but, they don't know how to prepare that crap!

Some grilled peppers and a fat T-Bone might taste good.

:laugh2:

[TheDallasDon]

When I read this, it just reeks of some holier-than-thou vegan who's trying to appeal to the climate change crowd.

This......

[Yeagermeister]

I don't think there are rules to adding hot sauce and spices to a vegan based diet. After all, peppers are vegetables. ;)

Technically they are fruit :laugh1:

[burmafrd]

Something I never understood.

Environmentalist and evolutionist are usually the same people.

One one hand they say we are unnaturally destroying the environment.

One the other hand they say we are just another animal who has no more right to live than any other .

But if we are just animals how are we doing anything unnatural that nature cannot handle ........ when we evolved naturally?

never try and use logic with fanatics. They cannot handle it.

The whole climate thing is something we can do very little about no matter what. Yeah we can cut down pollution but all the rest of the wacko's agenda would in the end kill probably half the planet; and the poor would die first.

[kristie]

i've tried to give up eating meat, but i can't. i find myself craving a cheeseburger.

[Dodger]

I see....so it's eating more meat that will mean increased greenhouse gases in 40 years, not the extra 3 billion people who will burn more fossil fuels for electricity and driving their cars.

Right....

[5Stars]

I see....so it's eating more meat that will mean increased greenhouse gases in 40 years, not the extra 3 billion people who will burn more fossil fuels for electricity and driving their cars.

Right....

Hey! Some farts can paralyze a person!

Don't diminish the power of a fart!

:laugh2:

[DragonCowboy]

Something I never understood.

Environmentalist and evolutionist are usually the same people.

One one hand they say we are unnaturally destroying the environment.

One the other hand they say we are just another animal who has no more right to live than any other .

But if we are just animals how are we doing anything unnatural that nature cannot handle ........ when we evolved naturally?

How do you not see how your argument makes no sense?

[Afigueroa22]

Something I never understood.

Environmentalist and evolutionist are usually the same people.

One one hand they say we are unnaturally destroying the environment.

One the other hand they say we are just another animal who has no more right to live than any other .

But if we are just animals how are we doing anything unnatural that nature cannot handle ........ when we evolved naturally?


:hammer:

[Hoofbite]

How do you not see how your argument makes no sense?

To be fair, it's not his argument.

It's two arguments from two distinct groups (vegans and evolutionists) who happen to share a common tertiary belief (environmentalism) combined into a pseudo-oxymoron to create some sort of discrepancy. Why someone would combine the two, who knows.

[DragonCowboy]

To be fair, it's not his argument.

It's two arguments from two distinct groups (vegans and evolutionists) who happen to share a common tertiary belief (environmentalism) combined into a pseudo-oxymoron to create some sort of discrepancy. Why someone would combine the two, who knows.

No, I'm saying that his pseudo-oxymoron is a gross misrepresentation of MOST vegan/evolutionist (what the hell is an "evolutionist", anyway?) belief.

[Jammer]

I gave up beef and pork almost 20 years ago. Mainly for dietary reasons. I eat chicken, turkey, and fish. At this point, whenever I've eaten beef by accident, I get a stomachache.

My wife is like this, although she can eat pork. I've even tried "slipping" some beef into something I cooked (thinking it was "mental" on her part) and it wasn't long before she started having an upset tummy. She wasn't always this way, but when I went to Korea years ago for 13 months our doctor suggested we take all meat away from my daughter for dietary reasons. My wife tried the best she could and did do away with beef, but still nibbled on pork, poultry, and fish. I guess the year away from beef screwed her system up somehow and since then she hasn't been a very good cook because she can't taste anything with beef in it.

[Faerluna]

I gave up beef and pork almost 20 years ago. Mainly for dietary reasons. I eat chicken, turkey, and fish. At this point, whenever I've eaten beef by accident, I get a stomachache.

I gave up meat for awhile many years ago. The first time I had beef again it made me sick, too.

I don't have that problem anymore, but I try to keep the beef consumption to a minimum these days.

[Romo 2 Austin]

How do you not see how your argument makes no sense?

Presumptively something to do with insanity.

[67CowboysFan]

I know...but, they don't know how to prepare that crap!

Some grilled peppers and a fat T-Bone might would taste very good right now.

:laugh2:
FIFY ;)

[viman96]

There is a reason we were born with teeth.

[vta]

No. There are worse things scumming up the earth than the natural act of eating the natural things the earth produces.

[5Stars]

FIFY ;)

I wish...


:laugh2:

[5Stars]

There is a reason we were born with teeth.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

(stupid cowboy fans)


You were born with teeth? :eek: Damn!

[roughneck266]

And the forcast: Hot with a 100% chance of pork chops.

[Faerluna]

There is a reason we were born with teeth.

So were many herbivores.

[Muhast]

I don't believe in all of the global warming bs. There have been plenty of reports disputing the "evidence" presented. The Earth works in cycles. We've had hot spells and ice ages, over and over again. The planet heats up and then cools down. It's part of our planets cycle. If you disagree, that is fine by me you are all welcome to your own opinion just as I am to mine, but I personally don't buy into it.

I do believe eating too much red meat isn't good for you. Stick to a mostly Chicken based diet with some red meat here and there, and you'll be fine ;)

[viman96]

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

(stupid cowboy fans)


You were born with teeth? :eek: Damn!

hahaha...well you know what I meant.

[viman96]

So were many herbivores.

True. But they have different type of teeth as well.

[5Stars]

True. But they have different type of teeth as well.

:bow:

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[WoodysGirl]

My wife is like this, although she can eat pork. I've even tried "slipping" some beef into something I cooked (thinking it was "mental" on her part) and it wasn't long before she started having an upset tummy. She wasn't always this way, but when I went to Korea years ago for 13 months our doctor suggested we take all meat away from my daughter for dietary reasons. My wife tried the best she could and did do away with beef, but still nibbled on pork, poultry, and fish. I guess the year away from beef screwed her system up somehow and since then she hasn't been a very good cook because she can't taste anything with beef in it.I can probably still cook it, but I'd probably cook it based off memory vs taste. I'm not so bad where something beef flavored would bother me.

I gave up meat for awhile many years ago. The first time I had beef again it made me sick, too.

I don't have that problem anymore, but I try to keep the beef consumption to a minimum these days. Yeah, I'm sure my body would adapter over time. But really, I have no desire to eat it anymore. I might longingly look at a rib when my fam BBQs it, but other than that, I'm good without it.

At this point, I'm trying to cut back on my consumption entirely, but I don't have that type of discipline yet. However, I have upped my overall consumptions of veggies.

[tomson75]

Vegans have the worst smelling gas on the planet.

There, my contribution is complete. Carry on.

[Faerluna]

Vegans have the worst smelling gas on the planet.

There, my contribution is complete. Carry on.

Don't ever eat Kashi Go Lean Crunch. Word to the wise.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

How do you not see how your argument makes no sense?

I would love to shed some light on why he cannot, but I am sure I would get another warning so I won't.

[stinger26]

Only time I don't eat meat is on Ash Wednesday and Fridays during Lent.


Burgers are on the grill right now.

[jwitten82]

Something I never understood.

Environmentalist and evolutionist are usually the same people.

One one hand they say we are unnaturally destroying the environment.

One the other hand they say we are just another animal who has no more right to live than any other .

But if we are just animals how are we doing anything unnatural that nature cannot handle ........ when we evolved naturally?
Really?

[rkell87]

I have no need to read the article because I don't really care what is has to say I have always eaten meat, will always eat meat, and couldn't care less what the effects of my meat eating are.

I also do not believe you can get enough people on this planet to stop eating meat to have a profound effect on anything, so I think time and resources should be diverted to an effort that has a shot of making an impact.

That is just me though.:D

[casmith07]

This thread is making my stomach hurt.

[Yeagermeister]

This thread is making my stomach hurt.

So did my wife's chili but it tasted so good :laugh1:

[justbob]

So did my wife's chili but it tasted so good :laugh1:

Bet it was extra meaty;)

[BrAinPaiNt]

You will not take away my hamburgers, steaks, bacon and tacos.

My wife tried to be sneaky and used some turkey burgers in some stuff some time ago and I put a stop to that. Not that I don't like turkey but not by trying to pass it off as beef.

[vta]

I think the bigger question is, would you give up gnawing on the face of man on a Miami causeway at gunpoint?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think the bigger question is, would you give up gnawing on the face of man on a Miami causeway at gunpoint?

Decisions Decisions.

Too early in the morning to make hard decisions.

:p: ;)

[jnday]

I have ate just about every type of animal that could be digested. I have found all of them to be better than a damn salad.

[03EBZ06]

I will never give up meat, I freaking love steaks! :D

[vta]

Decisions Decisions.

Too early in the morning to make hard decisions.

:p: ;)

You can get back to me after breakfast.
Just make sure you put your clothes back on.

[Sam I Am]

Lets just say this. If I'm home alone and feel like slumming it. (ie, not cooking a decent dinner) I can make Velveeta Shells and cheese, and it's 100% better when you cut up hotdogs in it. Why? Because if it doesn't have meat in it, it's not a man's dinner! (chopped up bacon in it is good too!)

[Sam I Am]

I have ate just about every type of animal that could be digested. I have found all of them to be better than a damn salad.

I only eat salads when they have meat in them. :laugh2:

[vta]

I only eat salads when they have meat in them. :laugh2:

Salad...

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/856/856,1218053566,3/stock-photo-seasoned-sirloin-steak-garnished-with-parsley-15825901.jpg

[zrinkill]

Really?

Of course.

[zrinkill]

Salad...

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/856/856,1218053566,3/stock-photo-seasoned-sirloin-steak-garnished-with-parsley-15825901.jpg

:lmao2:

:bow:

[Doomsday101]

"I'll give you my steak when you take it from my cold, dead hands!" :laugh2:

[rocboy22]

nope!

[CliffnMesquite]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/13/less-meat-prevent-climate-change

"refusing meat" is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."

Would you give up eating meat if it were to ameliorate the climate change crisis?

Every tree on Earth could burn to a cinder and I would use the last branch to cook a cheeseburger. That answer the question?

[trickblue]

Salad...

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/856/856,1218053566,3/stock-photo-seasoned-sirloin-steak-garnished-with-parsley-15825901.jpg (http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/856/856,1218053566,3/stock-photo-seasoned-sirloin-steak-garnished-with-parsley-15825901.jpg)

Gravy is my favorite veggie...

[zrinkill]

Every tree on Earth could burn to a cinder and I would use the last branch to cook a cheeseburger.

I am stealing that line.

[Yeagermeister]

I only eat salads when they have meat in them. :laugh2:

A salad is something to keep my attention until the real food gets there. :laugh1:

[SkinsandTerps]

Absolutely not.

Especially Bacon and Steak.
It won't ever happen.

Don't get me wrong I don't eat beef or bacon daily, but there is no way that I would ever give either up.

[viman96]

The best way to wake me up on the weekends is cooking bacon! I love rolling out of bed and strolling to the kitchen and smelling bacon. I swear I'm in a bit of a trance.

Give BBQ Brisket? Fat juicy steak? Seriously?

[jwitten82]

Of course.
Evolutionist is such a stupid word. Do people have to call themselves gravitationist?

[ninja]

Could I give up meat in my diet? Yeah, probably. But, only because my wife is an excellent cook and nutritionist. She can even make vegetables taste really good.

We eat seafood 3 times a week and try to eat no meat once a week. Pizza would help make the conversion a little less difficult. If the pizza is really good, you don't need meat. Tofu cooked properly can be really delicious and is a good meat substitute. I had a really good salmon steak last night. It was better than any steak I have eaten with the exception of the one steak I had in Germany. Steak, I wouldn't miss much. Chicken wings and ribs, on the other hand, would be sorely missed.

Anyway, Americans eat way too much meat in their diets. Just reducing the portion size of meat would reap health benefits.

Anyone looking for some good vegetarian recipes (by a non-vegetarian) would do well by getting this awesome book: Plenty: Vibrant Recipes from London's Ottolenghi

[zrinkill]

Evolutionist is such a stupid word. Do people have to call themselves gravitationist?

Blame someone else ....... I did not make the word up.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evolutionist

Show me a definition of "gravitationist" and we will discuss it.

[The30YardSlant]

We didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots.

[MetalHead]

If Meat is Murder call me Charlie Manson.
Give up Ribeyes?
Never.

[Bizwah]

Evolutionist is such a stupid word. Do people have to call themselves gravitationist?

Gravity's real.

[jwitten82]

Gravity's real.
So is evolution

[Bizwah]

So is evolution


:rolleyes:

Color me an evolutionary non-believer.

[Trendnet]

Gravity's real.


Gravity is just a theory.

[Heisenberg]

I've thought about at least giving up meat from sources that dump tons a chemicals/hormones into it, but I wouldn't even really know where to start to find the alternative.

Plus, it's just convenient to just grab it at your local grocery store and not have to worry about figuring out anything.

[jwitten82]

:rolleyes:

Color me an evolutionary non-believer.
Alright, so you choose to ignore facts.

[Trendnet]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/13/less-meat-prevent-climate-change

"refusing meat" is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."

Would you give up eating meat if it were to ameliorate the climate change crisis?


Wonderful, magical animal

3EHsbIcV-6I

[TheDallasDon]

Alright, so you choose to ignore facts.

Did you know that "the big band theory" they believe something came from nothing?

Kinda sounds like faith......weird

[davidyee]

...meat have to be tied to the environment for people to make choices?

Why wouldn't we deal with it on a health conscious equation?

Denying yourself something does you no good. Formulating choices based on your personal health beliefs is much stronger.

For our family we eat about 10% of our diet as meat and dairy. We buy the best steaks you can get your hands on when we buy them.

We purchase imported European cheese which our entire family loves.

Thanksgiving isn't the same without a Turkey.

Eat what you want to eat and do everything in moderation. This way you can enjoy everything and stay off the yoyo diets, the punishing guilt trips and not worry about what others think about your dietary actions.

The only suggestion I give people is to have an adventurous heart and try everything at least once.

Even I tried menudo while in Mexico. :ralph:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

:rolleyes:

Color me an evolutionary non-believer.

there is no other explanation for how we arrived at today and how we resemble apes to the extent we do

[rocboy22]

there is no other explanation for how we arrived at today and how we resemble apes to the extent we do


hey, speak for yourself!! haha

[DFWJC]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/13/less-meat-prevent-climate-change

"refusing meat" is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."

Would you give up eating meat if it were to ameliorate the climate change crisis?
You lost me right there.

[zrinkill]

So is evolution

Then you believe we are just animals that evolved naturally correct?

Then anything we do is just natural ...... like a beaver building a dam.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Beef has killed more people than anything we know of really. Yet some people insists its great for you.

I eat red meat once or twice a weak. Otherwise, I'm eating chicken fish and veggies...

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Then you believe we are just animals that evolved naturally correct?

Then anything we do is just natural ...... like a beaver building a dam.

except of course our brains evolved to the point we think, not just react like other animals, why that happened is unknown but at some point in the last 2 million years or so, our ancestors like homo erectus or homo habilis etc had brains that started to evolve to allow us to think.

[jwitten82]

Did you know that "the big band theory" they believe something came from nothing?

Kinda sounds like faith......weird
Are you serious?

[WV Cowboy]

Evolution
Climate change

I love this stuff

Bigfoot
LochNess monster

Easter Bunny
Tooth Fairy

All man made stuff

[jwitten82]

Evolution
Climate change

I love this stuff

Bigfoot
LochNess monster

Easter Bunny
Tooth Fairy

All man made stuff
If you think evolution isnt real then you're choosing to be ignorant.

[The30YardSlant]

This thread took a strange turn.

[Yeagermeister]

This thread took a strange turn.

They usually do at some point

[Bizwah]

This thread took a strange turn.

It's my fault....sorry....

Not sorry for the way I believe....but sorry for starting the debate.

[vta]

This thread took a strange turn.

I think it's when the monkeys began eating meat that their brains started to evolve into engines of critical thinking. This whole meat = global warming thing is really just a broad conspiracy to dumb us down to the level of ape to make us easier to control.

Think about it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/images/2008/07/14/jesseventura.jpg

[WV Cowboy]

If you think evolution isnt real then you're choosing to be ignorant.

You choose to believe what you do because you read it in a book.

Me too.

[trickblue]

Let's get back to the original thread... carnivores vs. vegetarian/vegan before this thread ends up closed...

[vta]

Beef has killed more people than anything we know of really. Yet some people insists its great for you.

I eat red meat once or twice a weak. Otherwise, I'm eating chicken fish and veggies...

Well I'd wager war has taken more lives than meat has. Let's not forget the fact dying is a natural consequence of birth; we might as well go from comfortable living in favor of being nuked or shot in the face.

[MetalHead]

Beef has killed more people than anything we know of really. Yet some people insists its great for you.

I eat red meat once or twice a weak. Otherwise, I'm eating chicken fish and veggies...

It is great for you.
I feel great every time I finish a thick,juicy medium rare Ribeye,or a bacon wrapped filet,with some sauteed mushrooms and red and yellow bell pepper,usually accompanied by a nice baked potato.
Yum!

See,it's great!

[Heisenberg]

It is great for you.
I feel great every time I finish a thick,juicy medium rare Ribeye,or a bacon wrapped filet,with some sauteed mushrooms and red and yellow bell pepper,usually accompanied by a nice baked potato.
Yum!

See,it's great!

So hungry.

[AbeBeta]

Let's get back to the original thread... carnivores vs. vegetarian/vegan before this thread ends up closed...

As humans, we evolved to be able to sustain ourselves fully without animal protein. This is one of the reasons why humans have been able to thrive in so many different environments.

That said, a little bacon does make everything taste better and it seems a waste to not exploit an evolutionary advantage by not eating meat.

[Sam I Am]

http://bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/wheres-the-beef.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eqDyZoPWnGU/S4WMcVewIqI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/kwpoaH1I0Vs/s400/why-organic-meat.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IFVjng_he9g/Tir41Ys1SVI/AAAAAAAAA1I/0VJAaodn1qM/s400/beef.jpg

http://infinitecoolness.com/galleries/lebowski/biglebowski21.jpg

http://www.askthemeatman.com/images/anguschartopto.jpg

I maybe pushing the line with this one... I know bikini's are not acceptable, but this shows less skin that a bikini, but more meat. :laugh2:

http://cdn.evilbeetgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lady-gaga-poses-in-raw-meat-for-japanese-vogue.jpg

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Evolution
Climate change

I love this stuff

Bigfoot
LochNess monster

Easter Bunny
Tooth Fairy

All man made stuff

you think evolution is man made? you are actually comparing it to the tooth fairy and easter bunny?

Seriously?

[trickblue]

http://res.mindbodygreen.com/img/ftr/products-made-cattle.jpg

[Sam I Am]

you think evolution is man made? you are actually comparing it to the tooth fairy and easter bunny?

Seriously?

Let it go. Faith is stronger in some than other.

Faith:
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Let it go. Faith is stronger in some than other.

Faith:
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

You simply cannot compare evolutionary theory to the easter bunny. That is a retarded take. I will accept an argument that evolution has not been proven, that there are missing links etc, but not that it is the same as the easter bunny.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Let's get back to the original thread... carnivores vs. vegetarian/vegan before this thread ends up closed...

For those that missed it.

[Hoofbite]

So are we still at a position where it's an all or nothing decision?

Meat

or

No meat?

[viman96]

Raise your hand if you believe in Aquatic Apes AKA Mermaids?

[ninja]

Don't ever eat Kashi Go Lean Crunch. Word to the wise.

I have a box of this in my cupboard.:) Haven't tried it yet. But, I have tried other Kashi cereals, some with even more fiber than the 8g Kashi Go Lean Crunch has. I hope it doesn't have any of that artificial sweetener stuff. My body does not like that stuff.

[Faerluna]

I have a box of this in my cupboard.:) Haven't tried it yet. But, I have tried other Kashi cereals, some with even more fiber than the 8g Kashi Go Lean Crunch has. I hope it doesn't have any of that artificial sweetener stuff. My body does not like that stuff.

I loved the cereal and would still be eating it, but it made me....uh...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_16.gif (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_16.gif)

[jobberone]

I gave up beef and pork almost 20 years ago. Mainly for dietary reasons. I eat chicken, turkey, and fish. At this point, whenever I've eaten beef by accident, I get a stomachache.

With a Chinese wife I eat lots of veggies and little meat. Now when I eat non-Chinese food I fill very quickly and generally feel stuffed. Even if I don't eat much I still feel uncomfortable sometimes to the point of a stomachache. BTW, we cook traditional Chinese food not American-Chinese so there is little fat/oil.

[a_minimalist]

No amount of money could remove a ribeye or porterhouse from my life, as a matter of fact, nothing could.

[vta]

With a Chinese wife I eat lots of veggies and little meat. Now when I eat non-Chinese food I fill very quickly and generally feel stuffed. Even if I don't eat much I still feel uncomfortable sometimes to the point of a stomachache. BTW, we cook traditional Chinese food not American-Chinese so there is little fat/oil.

Not go too far off stride, but what does traditional Chinese food consist of?

[davidyee]

Not go too far off stride, but what does traditional Chinese food consist of?

...it's mostly veggies for nutrients and rice as the traditional carb.

If you come from the coastal region of China obviously fish are a source of protein.

If you are from northern China you eat cereal grains as rice doesn't grow there. Meat then becomes on of your sources for protein.

Cereal grains are converted not to bread form, but mostly noodles. The genesis of this goes hand in hand with the invention of the chopsticks.

Most of the vegetables are leafy green, but cooked to make them more palatable.

Oriental vegetables have a tendency to be more bitter and don't possess the sugars you will find in peas and carrots. But they are very high in trace minerals and phytonutrients that make up the basis for a very healthy diet.

There are no potatoes in the traditional European sense or Corn/Maize. They do grow tuberous vegtables such as Lotus Root, Cassava and Yam.

An interesting point is Chinese and Oriental cooking in general tends to require a higher percentage of preparation where the food inputs are often cut up into small bite size portions. It allows the culture to avoid the use of a knife when sitting down around the supper table and aids in the digestion of the food as the "chunks" are smaller. Especially the meat.

There never was any factory farms or feedlots in China and it is really only in post 1970's China that the large scale production of animals has taken hold.

It's one of the reasons that the CDC identifies China as the hot spot and locus of Aviary diseases.

In traditional diets meat is scarce. To be quite honest in all traditional cultures meat was a scarcity. Ancient grains are probably the predominant source of nutrition and diet if you turned back the clock hundreds of years back.

Eating a steak is really only a North American invention and the realm of the wealthy in Europe. But it does taste good!

[Heisenberg]

I loved the cereal and would still be eating it, but it made me....uh...

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_16.gif (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_16.gif)

You ain't kiddin'. If I eat that stuff, no one sits in the same room with me.

[vta]

...it's mostly veggies for nutrients and rice as the traditional carb.

If you come from the coastal region of China obviously fish are a source of protein.

If you are from northern China you eat cereal grains as rice doesn't grow there. Meat then becomes on of your sources for protein.

Cereal grains are converted not to bread form, but mostly noodles. The genesis of this goes hand in hand with the invention of the chopsticks.

Most of the vegetables are leafy green, but cooked to make them more palatable.

Oriental vegetables have a tendency to be more bitter and don't possess the sugars you will find in peas and carrots. But they are very high in trace minerals and phytonutrients that make up the basis for a very healthy diet.

There are no potatoes in the traditional European sense or Corn/Maize. They do grow tuberous vegtables such as Lotus Root, Cassava and Yam.

An interesting point is Chinese and Oriental cooking in general tends to require a higher percentage of preparation where the food inputs are often cut up into small bite size portions. It allows the culture to avoid the use of a knife when sitting down around the supper table and aids in the digestion of the food as the "chunks" are smaller. Especially the meat.

There never was any factory farms or feedlots in China and it is really only in post 1970's China that the large scale production of animals has taken hold.

It's one of the reasons that the CDC identifies China as the hot spot and locus of Aviary diseases.

In traditional diets meat is scarce. To be quite honest in all traditional cultures meat was a scarcity. Ancient grains are probably the predominant source of nutrition and diet if you turned back the clock hundreds of years back.

Eating a steak is really only a North American invention and the realm of the wealthy in Europe. But it does taste good!

That's interesting, it doesn't strike me as that much different from the American view of Chinese food from the ingredients: mostly a veg and rice combo, though throwing in shreds of meat is always an option.

I'd heard things like fried rice and egg rolls were an Americanized sort of dish, but generally I will get a stir-fry of veg and rice. But then I'd read that authentic Chinese food consists of odd fish dishes, like Shark Fin Soup or octopus.

[davidyee]

That's interesting, it doesn't strike me as that much different from the American view of Chinese food from the ingredients: mostly a veg and rice combo, though throwing in shreds of meat is always an option.

I'd heard things like fried rice and egg rolls were an Americanized sort of dish, but generally I will get a stir-fry of veg and rice. But then I'd read that authentic Chinese food consists of odd fish dishes, like Shark Fin Soup or octopus.

...the biggest difference is the proportion of meat. In China you will find many fried rice dishes and the egg roll's origins is from the spring festival where spring rolls are aplenty.

As a culture the Chinese will eat anything that swims, flies, crawls, runs or burrows.

The Shark's Fin Soup is the saddest thing the Chineses do. They catch sharks in large trawler nets chop of the fins and throw the rest of the creature back into the sea to die.

Imagine shooting your prize heifer, cutting off the tenderloins and tossing the rest of the animal onto the side of the road.

Although the soup is awesome tasting, it is a tradition that even I believe needs to end.

This world is not just here for human taking. We need to be the caretakers of this world. The Chinese are some of the worst offenders of the exploitation of animals even though many of the poorest regions have the healthiest diets.

[SkinsandTerps]

Thanks David, interesting info.

[Kristen82]

I'm a medical student and distance runner who burns a lot of calories but I've still found you can get enough complex carbs and complete proteins and antioxidants etc. from a vegetarian diet. Still, a portobello mushroom or ground veggie burger just doesn't offer the complete sensory experience a sirloin burger does. It's difficult avoiding temptation.

[AbeBeta]

http://res.mindbodygreen.com/img/ftr/products-made-cattle.jpg

What cracks me up here is the ignorance of whoever put this chart together. Vegans aren't stupid. The 3 or 4 I know work extremely hard to remain vegan and know and understand every single product that they consume. There are voluntary vegan labeling standards - you go to your local health food store or gourmet market and you'll likely see many products (like shampoo, deodorant, etc.) that have those labels.

[vta]

...the biggest difference is the proportion of meat. In China you will find many fried rice dishes and the egg roll's origins is from the spring festival where spring rolls are aplenty.

As a culture the Chinese will eat anything that swims, flies, crawls, runs or burrows.

The Shark's Fin Soup is the saddest thing the Chineses do. They catch sharks in large trawler nets chop of the fins and throw the rest of the creature back into the sea to die.

Imagine shooting your prize heifer, cutting off the tenderloins and tossing the rest of the animal onto the side of the road.

Although the soup is awesome tasting, it is a tradition that even I believe needs to end.

This world is not just here for human taking. We need to be the caretakers of this world. The Chinese are some of the worst offenders of the exploitation of animals even though many of the poorest regions have the healthiest diets.

Thanks for the info David. I don't know why they don't haul in the whole thing and eat it in it's entirety instead of torturing it. I've eaten shark and I loved it.