Forty-nine percent of US companies are having a hard time filling skilled positions

[Sam I Am]

I can believe it. As I noted in a different thread. We are having a hard time filling a Java developer position. They are right too, most just aren't qualified and some of them ask for salaries their skills couldn't justify.

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Forty-nine percent of U.S. companies are having a hard time filling what workforce.

Forty-nine percent of US companies are having a hard time filling what workforce management firm ManpowerGroup calls mission-critical positions within their organizations with IT staff, engineers and "skilled trades" among the toughest spots to fill.

The group surveyed some 1,300 employers and noted that US companies are struggling to find talent, despite continued high unemployment, over their global counterparts, where 34% of employers worldwide are having difficulty filling positions.

According to ManpowerGroup, the most common reasons employers say they are having trouble filling jobs, including lack of available applicants, applicants looking for more pay and lack of experience

Complete Story (http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/it-staff-engineers-among-top-10-toughest-jobs-fill-us)

[vta]

You mean there aren't high paying jobs for texters and Facebook surfers? No one gets paid big bucks to play video games? How about a Masters Degree in Beer Pong?

[zrinkill]

No kidding.

I am having trouble finding qualified CNC users trained with a multi-axis Waterjet.

[Sam I Am]

No kidding.

I am having trouble finding qualified CNC users trained with a multi-axis Waterjet.

When I was around 18-20, I worked for a tool and sheave manufacturer in Ft. Worth. I worked there just over a year. I started training on operating the CNC machines. They were going to send me to classes to learn to program them, but I ended leaving the company for a tech job up before I started those classes.

[rocboy22]

No kidding.

I am having trouble finding qualified CNC users trained with a multi-axis Waterjet.

I believe this is due to the way most schools have operated over the last 20 years. There is not enough emphasis on the fact that these types of jobs are great, you CAN make a lot of money, and they may be more enjoyable for a lot of people than sitting in a cubicle. It almost seems there is a negative connation with these types of skilled jobs.

[zrinkill]

When I was around 18-20, I worked for a tool and sheave manufacturer in Ft. Worth. I worked there just over a year. I started training on operating the CNC machines. They were going to send me to classes to learn to program them, but I ended leaving the company for a tech job up before I started those classes.

I tried teaching my office manager about CAD and Flow CAM programming ...... But she just cannot pick it up.

My dilemma is I am going to Disney world for 2 weeks in Dec and do not want to shut down my Waterjet for half a month while I am gone ....... but it would not be permanent position.

[Doomsday101]

The #1 on the list was skilled jobs in other words automotive technician, carpenter, electrician, HVAC, aviation mechanic, plumber, pipefitter and welder.

Seems some are more interested in getting degrees in things like sociology and be unemployed and in debt up to the eye balls instead of taking on trades that are very important to any nation.

[rocboy22]

The #1 on the list was skilled jobs in other words automotive technician, carpenter, electrician, HVAC, aviation mechanic, plumber, pipefitter and welder.

Seems some are more interested in getting degrees in things like sociology and be unemployed and in debt up to the eye balls instead of taking on trades that are very important to any nation.


yup, and like I said in my first post, I think many school systems do not push these types of jobs enough. They do not educate the kids on the benefits of these. I really believe I should have learned one of these trades and then started my own business, rather than going to college and getting a generic finance degree.

[Duane]

I believe this is due to the way most schools have operated over the last 20 years. There is not enough emphasis on the fact that these types of jobs are great, you CAN make a lot of money, and they may be more enjoyable for a lot of people than sitting in a cubicle. It almost seems there is a negative connation with these types of skilled jobs.

I agree with you on this. If I knew 20 years ago what I know now I might go the two year route and get an instrumentation/controls/electrical degree. Our ICE Techs make a ton of money and work mostly in indoor, air condition environments.

[Doomsday101]

yup, and like I said in my first post, I think many school systems do not push these types of jobs enough. They do not educate the kids on the benefits of these. I really believe I should have learned one of these trades and then started my own business, rather than going to college and getting a generic finance degree.

I agree. I think some of these white collar jobs are flooded with applicants but those skilled labor jobs fewer and fewer are getting into it. There is good money in those fields just hard to find quality workers

[Ren]

I believe this is due to the way most schools have operated over the last 20 years. There is not enough emphasis on the fact that these types of jobs are great, you CAN make a lot of money, and they may be more enjoyable for a lot of people than sitting in a cubicle. It almost seems there is a negative connation with these types of skilled jobs.

There is.

Before i went to college i became a licensed carpenter (need 4 years training/school here for that) cause the money was good (still is) and there where lots of jobs. After a few years i just got sick of people looking down on the profession and being treated like crap so went back to school.

[rocboy22]

There is.

Before i went to college i became a licensed carpenter (need 4 years training/school here for that) cause the money was good (still is) and there where lots of jobs. After a few years i just got sick of people looking down on the profession and being treated like crap so went back to school.

did you like doing it, though? if so, screw what those people think!

[Sam I Am]

There is.

Before i went to college i became a licensed carpenter (need 4 years training/school here for that) cause the money was good (still is) and there where lots of jobs. After a few years i just got sick of people looking down on the profession and being treated like crap so went back to school.

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How you doing down there? Nevermind. I don't actually care. Get off my lawn.

[Reality]

I can believe it. As I noted in a different thread. We are having a hard time filling a Java developer position. They are right too, most just aren't qualified and some of them ask for salaries their skills couldn't justify.

I imagine if demand within companies was high for FORTRAN and COBOL programmers right now, they would have a hard time filling those positions too :D

#reality

[Sam I Am]

I imagine if demand within companies was high for FORTRAN and COBOL programmers right now, they would have a hard time filling those positions too :D

#reality

Yeah. The company I worked at in Dallas just prior to moving to NY had a lot of COBOL running on AIX for processing retail store sales information. The DP manager was the only COBOL programmer in the entire company. About two years after I moved to NY, he had a heart attack and died. Lots of unmaintained COBOL there now.

[big dog cowboy]

Forty-nine percent of US companies are having a hard time filling skilled positions

I'll take that a step further and say it's almost impossible to find people who are motivated, can pass a UA and come to work everyday. The sense of entitlement some have towards their job is unbelievable.

[Ren]

did you like doing it, though? if so, screw what those people think!

Honestly, working outside in -15c and being treated like crap to boot is not exactly something i miss, summers where great though so yes and no

Now i don't really care what people think but back then in my early 20s other peoples perception of you was kinda a big deal. Had i enjoyed doing it enough to where i could stand working outside during a Norwegian winter i probably would have stuck with it. It's something i can always go back to should i be in need of a job so i don't have any regrets.

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'll take that a step further and say it's almost impossible to find people who are motivated, can pass a UA and come to work everyday. The sense of entitlement some have towards their job is unbelievable.

If you can't get by a UA for a job, you're a nitwit and don't deserve the job.

[rocboy22]

Honestly, working outside in -15c and being treated like crap to boot is not exactly something i miss, summers where great though so yes and no

Now i don't really care what people think but back then in my early 20s other peoples perception of you was kinda a big deal. Had i enjoyed doing it enough to where i could stand working outside during a Norwegian winter i probably would have stuck with it. It's something i can always go back to should i be in need of a job so i don't have any regrets.

that would probably make me change course, too!! Also, I do agree you care less and less about what other people think as you get older.

[Future]

Well part of the problem is that a lot of entry level jobs want 5 years of experience. Something doesn't add up there.

[thewireman]

I wish I would have learned a trade when I was 18. Now at 35 I have thought about the plumbing trade but to start of at $11 an hour at a non union company is taking a huge step back and I can't afford to accept that pay with a family.

[ScipioCowboy]

Here's an idea. Before heading off of college, identify deficiencies in the labor force and then occupy the appropriate major.

[a_minimalist]

Is it possible that people aren't taking any risks anymore when it comes to hiring? Are all positions always filled by someone with a ton of experience? Seems like everyone wants the best but when has there been that many labeled "the best" in every industry? Seems like there is no such thing as training people anymore. And internships don't count, that's free labor and you're rarely ever trained. It should be illegal.

[a_minimalist]

Well part of the problem is that a lot of entry level jobs want 5 years of experience. Something doesn't add up there.

Exactly! I wish I saw this before I posted something. I'm 27 and have a reasonable amount of experience in my field and I've struggled finding a job. I went to the best school in America for what I did and wanted to do and had more experience than anyone else in the school, yet when it was time to find a job it took forever. I'm unemployed right now and looking but all of the positions that I would be hired for, and worked one before I went to school for a year and a half, want 3 years experience. It is something much deeper than just unskilled workers.

[Sam I Am]

Here's an idea. Before heading off of college, identify deficiencies in the labor force and then occupy the appropriate major.

Most young people seem to believe Twitter and Facebook are the majors of choice. :facepalm:

[davidyee]

No kidding.

I am having trouble finding qualified CNC users trained with a multi-axis Waterjet.

...for you. I have over ten years on both Fanuc and Motoman.

I can program and completely rebuild the high pressure intensifier. What's the pay? :)

[Kangaroo]

I'll take that a step further and say it's almost impossible to find people who are motivated, can pass a UA and come to work everyday. The sense of entitlement some have towards their job is unbelievable.

The other issue is companies no longer take care of their own. We have that issue at the Hospital I work at I one of the better IT guys I get pulled into more crap to fix on other peoples system because I am good at what I do. Here is the rub I can not get a title change (even with over lapping pay grades) yet they fill an open spot with a guy who has no experience doing the job give him more money and a higher title. Then they wonder why their better employes left and now they have a big void that can not be filled with quality replacements. The little things matter and companies drop the ball.

The options are you need to leave the company to get a real pay raise let alone a simple title change promotion.


What i seen happen is way to often by not rewarding the good worker while what is the incentive to do better you can stall do just enough and coast. In fact you are better off by doing very little because what is the point if you do good work they load you up and you get no reward for your hardwork. Seen way to many people do that because it is easy and hey they still pull down an easy paycheck.

[zrinkill]

...for you. I have over ten years on both Fanuc and Motoman.

Are you located in the East Texas area?

[Sam I Am]

Are you located in the East Texas area?

He is in Canada. Unless he wants to move to the best country in the world. Texas. :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

Don't know if it is the same way now, and of course with school being out now it might not matter at this time.

However at one time many High Schools had a Vo-Tech relationship.

There would be some local Votech schools that would take on high school kids.

So the first year (normally as a Junior in HS) you would go there for half a day. The next year (the senior year of HS) you would work for half a day before going to school.

So they would work together, then the Vo-Tech would help students find part time jobs. The companies usually liked it because they got a little extra help for minimum wage while the students liked it because they got some first hand working exp.

Our local vo-tech would also let people bring in cars or other things for the students to work on and the person bringing them in got a substantial discount on the price.

Might be something people think about looking into if they need some part time help in the future. In some cases if the student works out you could hire them on full time in the future.

I remember working the first four hours in the morning and then working a few hours after school. This also helps students get a better overall grade point average in school.

[burmafrd]

now the schools look down on VoTech. It is not good enough for them.

[Sam I Am]

Don't know if it is the same way now, and of course with school being out now it might not matter at this time.

However at one time many High Schools had a Vo-Tech relationship.

There would be some local Votech schools that would take on high school kids.

So the first year (normally as a Junior in HS) you would go there for half a day. The next year (the senior year of HS) you would work for half a day before going to school.

So they would work together, then the Vo-Tech would help students find part time jobs. The companies usually liked it because they got a little extra help for minimum wage while the students liked it because they got some first hand working exp.

Our local vo-tech would also let people bring in cars or other things for the students to work on and the person bringing them in got a substantial discount on the price.

Might be something people think about looking into if they need some part time help in the future. In some cases if the student works out you could hire them on full time in the future.

I remember working the first four hours in the morning and then working a few hours after school. This also helps students get a better overall grade point average in school.

Our high school had a work program where you got credit for working, but if there was one with a vocational school, I wasn't aware of it.

now the schools look down on VoTech. It is not good enough for them.

The problem I find is many vocational schools are sub par. Maybe the issue is funding or something. Maybe a lot of quality teachers just don't want to work for a vocational school.

It's a shame though. Specialized training in a vocation can really help some people get started in industries they wouldn't normally end up working in.

[Muhast]

It extends all the way down the ladder as well.

I am the manager of a retail sports store and I routinely have kids(16-18) with no work experience come in and fill out applications wanting $11.50-12.00 an hour (min wage in GA is 7.25).

It is baffling

[rocboy22]

The other issue is companies no longer take care of their own. We have that issue at the Hospital I work at I one of the better IT guys I get pulled into more crap to fix on other peoples system because I am good at what I do. Here is the rub I can not get a title change (even with over lapping pay grades) yet they fill an open spot with a guy who has no experience doing the job give him more money and a higher title. Then they wonder why their better employes left and now they have a big void that can not be filled with quality replacements. The little things matter and companies drop the ball.

The options are you need to leave the company to get a real pay raise let alone a simple title change promotion.


What i seen happen is way to often by not rewarding the good worker while what is the incentive to do better you can stall do just enough and coast. In fact you are better off by doing very little because what is the point if you do good work they load you up and you get no reward for your hardwork. Seen way to many people do that because it is easy and hey they still pull down an easy paycheck.


couldn't agree more with this. many large companies act in this manner. you must either leave to go somewhere else in order to get a decent raise, or you just coast so you don't feel like you are getting completey taken advantage of.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think we were talking about this, to a degree, in a thread a long ways back.

Something along the lines of someone learning to do something like AC repair, TV Repair, Washer repair and small engine (lawnmowers) and setting up a business where that person and maybe one or two others did it.

Now days it seems hard to find a person to fix some things like AC, TV, Washer and dryer that is not connected to a larger company.


Seems to be a dying breed. Now you wind up going to a larger company to have all of these things worked on or you just say heck with it and just buy the new AC, Washer/Dryer, TV or lawnmower.

I would think in a smaller rural area someone could make a killing if they learned to do a repair service that worked in a few different areas.

A few years ago we had a problem with our washer. We found one guy that still worked on them. Some time after that we called him again and he had retired so we just got a new washer/dryer.

We were wanting someone to look at our TV and the closest we could find was a guy a couple hours away and he was not willing to travel so far without a large amount of money for travel alone.

[Kangaroo]

I think we were talking about this, to a degree, in a thread a long ways back.

Something along the lines of someone learning to do something like AC repair, TV Repair, Washer repair and small engine (lawnmowers) and setting up a business where that person and maybe one or two others did it.

Now days it seems hard to find a person to fix some things like AC, TV, Washer and dryer that is not connected to a larger company.


Seems to be a dying breed. Now you wind up going to a larger company to have all of these things worked on or you just say heck with it and just buy the new AC, Washer/Dryer, TV or lawnmower.

I would think in a smaller rural area someone could make a killing if they learned to do a repair service that worked in a few different areas.

A few years ago we had a problem with our washer. We found one guy that still worked on them. Some time after that we called him again and he had retired so we just got a new washer/dryer.

We were wanting someone to look at our TV and the closest we could find was a guy a couple hours away and he was not willing to travel so far without a large amount of money for travel alone.

When my washer went out this last month it was cheaper to buy a new one then it was to repair the dam thing. Service Tech cost 75+$ then parts and labor. Me and my father in law messed with it looked pretty much think it was a clutch the part was $300 on a $500 washer new so we bought a new one it was cheaper. TV's are the same way by the time you pay for parts and labor it is generally cheaper to replace them unless you are in the super high end spectrum of the products.

Last time I had a refrigerator worked on it cost me $300 with parts and labor. When the other one broke I bought a new one for $500 (I have two)

[rocboy22]

When my washer went out this last month it was cheaper to buy a new one then it was to repair the dam thing. Service Tech cost 75+$ then parts and labor. Me and my father in law messed with it looked pretty much think it was a clutch the part was $300 on a $500 washer new so we bought a new one it was cheaper. TV's are the same way by the time you pay for parts and labor it is generally cheaper to replace them unless you are in the super high end spectrum of the products.

Last time I had a refrigerator worked on it cost me $300 with parts and labor. When the other one broke I bought a new one for $500 (I have two)

was that before or after you attacked that woman and her dog?:laugh1:

[EGTuna]

My Unsolicited Advice: Become an IT consultant that is "hands on" and not just another PM. It pays more, you don't have to worry about office politics and who gets promoted over whom, etc. It's SOOO much better. The only downside is health insurance costs more, but it is more than off-set by the hourly rate. If you can get in with a prime vendor (or better yet, be the prime), then you should make 1.5 - 3x what a salaried employee makes without all the bs.

I made the switch to consulting in 3/2011, and I couldn't be happier. I wish I had done it much sooner. If you're hands-on (be it a developer, a tester, an analyst, etc) you should always have work. Even better if you specialize in a specific field; e.g., finance, healthcare, cyber-security, etc. Companies typically pay $150 - $350 an hour to the prime vendors for people (like D&T, E&Y, BAH), and then each vendor takes a chunk. So if you get with the prime vendor as an independent contractor, you can get a big slice of that chunk.

My recommendation is to find a smaller prime vendor that specializes in your field of choise that usually charges a discount rate, but will also not take as big a chunk out of your hourly rate. For example, D&T typically charges ~$250 a head, but some of the people they put on a client site are salaried employees probably making $70K-100K per year (even less for the younger folk). In other words, D&T makes MUCH more than what the actual person on site makes. And most of them are ****** morons who have no skills other than asking people for status or creating useless, but aesthetically pleasing xls documents.

I am with a prime vendor for several finance companies, and I know what he charges per hour and what he pays me, and I make sure I get paid and also the client gets their money's worth out of me - like I said; HANDS ON.

So to all you youngsters, (I'm 40), I strongly advise in getting/learning a specific IT skill and then find an industry you're interested in, and start consultiing. Trying to move up the corporate hierarchy will just leave you empty and skilless should the company decide to cut people based on age/longevity (watch the movie "Company Men" for a great fictional portrayal of how coporations work nowadays when they need to raise profits; it's about the shareholders, not the company).

Most people can live pretty comfortably making $75-$150 an hour. And you won't have to worry about kissing butt or any other corporate nonsense. However, if you dream of being middle-management (manager to sr. director) and having the entire organization below you thinking you're worhtless and know-nothing, then by all means, slowly work your way up the chain. And if you're really committed to being a titan of industry, then form your own company and make yourself President or CEO or Managing Director. What kind of company? An IT Consulting Firm of course!

[a_minimalist]

My Unsolicited Advice: Become an IT consultant that is "hands on" and not just another PM. It pays more, you don't have to worry about office politics and who gets promoted over whom, etc. It's SOOO much better. The only downside is health insurance costs more, but it is more than off-set by the hourly rate. If you can get in with a prime vendor (or better yet, be the prime), then you should make 1.5 - 3x what a salaried employee makes without all the bs.

I made the switch to consulting in 3/2011, and I couldn't be happier. I wish I had done it much sooner. If you're hands-on (be it a developer, a tester, an analyst, etc) you should always have work. Even better if you specialize in a specific field; e.g., finance, healthcare, cyber-security, etc. Companies typically pay $150 - $350 an hour to the prime vendors for people (like D&T, E&Y, BAH), and then each vendor takes a chunk. So if you get with the prime vendor as an independent contractor, you can get a big slice of that chunk.

My recommendation is to find a smaller prime vendor that specializes in your field of choise that usually charges a discount rate, but will also not take as big a chunk out of your hourly rate. For example, D&T typically charges ~$250 a head, but some of the people they put on a client site are salaried employees probably making $70K-100K per year (even less for the younger folk). In other words, D&T makes MUCH more than what the actual person on site makes. And most of them are ****** morons who have no skills other than asking people for status or creating useless, but aesthetically pleasing xls documents.

I am with a prime vendor for several finance companies, and I know what he charges per hour and what he pays me, and I make sure I get paid and also the client gets their money's worth out of me - like I said; HANDS ON.

So to all you youngsters, (I'm 40), I strongly advise in getting/learning a specific IT skill and then find an industry you're interested in, and start consultiing. Trying to move up the corporate hierarchy will just leave you empty and skilless should the company decide to cut people based on age/longevity (watch the movie "Company Men" for a great fictional portrayal of how coporations work nowadays when they need to raise profits; it's about the shareholders, not the company).

Most people can live pretty comfortably making $75-$150 an hour. And you won't have to worry about kissing butt or any other corporate nonsense. However, if you dream of being middle-management (manager to sr. director) and having the entire organization below you thinking you're worhtless and know-nothing, then by all means, slowly work your way up the chain. And if you're really committed to being a titan of industry, then form your own company and make yourself President or CEO or Managing Director. What kind of company? An IT Consulting Firm of course!

Company Men is a actually a very good reference and gives a good understanding about what goes on in a good portion of cases within corporate America. My father worked for the largest insurance company for 20+ years, was diagnosed with leukemia and within 1 year was laid off. At the end of the day it's a business and everyone is replaceable. Seems like the key is to make yourself irreplaceable.

[Kangaroo]

was that before or after you attacked that woman and her dog?:laugh1:

Hey I told my Boss's Boss he is next on the list already started stalking their cat I think it may be dinner tonight. Then maybe mix in some bath salts and face meat later. :D

[a_minimalist]

was that before or after you attacked that woman and her dog?:laugh1:

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[rocboy22]

Hey I told my Boss's Boss he is next on the list already started stalking their cat I think it may be dinner tonight. Then maybe mix in some bath salts and face meat later. :D

lmao at "face meat"

:laugh1:

[Future]

Exactly! I wish I saw this before I posted something. I'm 27 and have a reasonable amount of experience in my field and I've struggled finding a job. I went to the best school in America for what I did and wanted to do and had more experience than anyone else in the school, yet when it was time to find a job it took forever. I'm unemployed right now and looking but all of the positions that I would be hired for, and worked one before I went to school for a year and a half, want 3 years experience. It is something much deeper than just unskilled workers.
Essentially, internships, which pay nothing, are the new entry level jobs. So for people who can't afford to spend summers working for free, and therefore can't intern, there's a real difficulty when you're competing for "entry level" jobs against people who have done the job already at the internship.

[a_minimalist]

Essentially, internships, which pay nothing, are the new entry level jobs. So for people who can't afford to spend summers working for free, and therefore can't intern, there's a real difficulty when you're competing for "entry level" jobs against people who have done the job already at the internship.

Yup, and it's not just summers. It's Fall, Spring, and Winter too. It's whenever they need help and don't want to pay someone.

[5Stars]

Yup, and it's not just summers. It's Fall, Spring, and Winter too. It's whenever they need help and don't want to pay someone.

My son just got an Associates Degree in Science in Graphic Arts and Web Design here in Utah. After graduation (which he did not go to because, dad, why pay $150.00 or so on a silly cap and gown?)...he was out of work for about a two months, but he did do some odds and ends as a shoe salesman at a local mall, then he applied for a telemarketing job and was there for two nights for training.

The next day he got called in for an interview at a company called Network Marketing Services. He got the job and is now designing those mail fliers that we all get in the mail about new and used cars, and also designs web graphics for web pages for car dealerships all around the local area. He does not code the web page, they have a coder for that, but he does the graphics that are used in the web pages. He's now making $16.00 an hour and he is 22 years old.

Now, the damn kid better start paying me back some money! :mad:

But, his Education might start paying off. But, at least he's not selling shoes, or telemarketing at night.

I wish all kids would get some sort of education, because no matter what many say, the sheep skin will pay off.

;)

[Joe Realist]

I can believe it. As I noted in a different thread. We are having a hard time filling a Java developer position. They are right too, most just aren't qualified and some of them ask for salaries their skills couldn't justify.

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Forty-nine percent of U.S. companies are having a hard time filling what workforce.

Forty-nine percent of US companies are having a hard time filling what workforce management firm ManpowerGroup calls mission-critical positions within their organizations with IT staff, engineers and "skilled trades" among the toughest spots to fill.

The group surveyed some 1,300 employers and noted that US companies are struggling to find talent, despite continued high unemployment, over their global counterparts, where 34% of employers worldwide are having difficulty filling positions.

According to ManpowerGroup, the most common reasons employers say they are having trouble filling jobs, including lack of available applicants, applicants looking for more pay and lack of experience

Complete Story (http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/it-staff-engineers-among-top-10-toughest-jobs-fill-us)

Yep - its true. BTW - I work for one of the Manpower companies and we talk about the talent shortage all the time.

[DFWJC]

The #1 on the list was skilled jobs in other words automotive technician, carpenter, electrician, HVAC, aviation mechanic, plumber, pipefitter and welder.

Seems some are more interested in getting degrees in things like sociology and be unemployed and in debt up to the eye balls instead of taking on trades that are very important to any nation.
But they can camp out with the Occupy Wall Street crew! In fact, if you'll notice, those "educated" that participate in that almost always have fluff degrees....then blame it on everyone else for not finding a job.

[Kangaroo]

But they can camp out with the Occupy Wall Street crew! In fact, if you'll notice, those "educated" that participate in that almost always have fluff degrees....then blame it on everyone else for not finding a job.

The issue is they do not want to pay the dues and are expecting to make 50-60k because they have a degree.

I came out of college with a Political Science Degree and a minor in Biology. The problem with the Political field (working for a City manager or a staff etc) you have to volunteer for free in the summers for people running for office and make the contacts. While I payed for my own school, so between Army Reserves, working a real job and school I did not have time to work for free and still be able to get a degree. I even looked inti the Hospitality industry because i worked 4 years in the Hotel business in college (mainly Night Auditor)

I got out and I was getting interviews making the 2nd and 3rd cut in interview process. I had a couple offers for Night Auditors position at Hotels but no career path to move up so I turned that down. I finally got a call from Man Power for another position I had applied for they had filled it up but they wanted me to come in and I started at a company the next day making $11 hour doing finance work they where an out source IT company; after a while I did everything I could at that company I did billing, expense report, booked travel, started imaging Work stations when they needed a warm body and learned from there I applied my self and became an asset.

[Doomsday101]

But they can camp out with the Occupy Wall Street crew! In fact, if you'll notice, those "educated" that participate in that almost always have fluff degrees....then blame it on everyone else for not finding a job.

I saw an interview with one of them and he said well I can't find a job. The interviewer asked what kind of job his response one paying close to 100 thousand a year. Mind you this is a kid in his mid 20's and has no intent on working his way up as the rest of us do. If he can't get his dream job then he will spoung off mom and dad or the rest of us until he finds one or grows up. Not counting on the latter to happen.

I can promise him one thing you will not find a job sitting outside protesting.
Lastly I have to say they are down on the big bad business while texting on the Iphones. :lmao:

[Doomsday101]

The issue is they do not want to pay the dues and are expecting to make 50-60k because they have a degree.

I came out of college with a Political Science Degree and a minor in Biology. The problem with the Political field (working for a City manager or a staff etc) you have to volunteer for free in the summers for people running for office and make the contacts. While I payed for my own school, so between Army Reserves, working a real job and school I did not have time to work for free and still be able to get a degree. I even looked inti the Hospitality industry because i worked 4 years in the Hotel business in college (mainly Night Auditor)

I got out and I was getting interviews making the 2nd and 3rd cut in interview process. I had a couple offers for Night Auditors position at Hotels but no career path to move up so I turned that down. I finally got a call from Man Power for another position I had applied for they had filled it up but they wanted me to come in and I started at a company the next day making $11 hour doing finance work they where an out source IT company; after a while I did everything I could at that company I did billing, expense report, booked travel, started imaging Work stations when they needed a warm body and learned from there I applied my self and became an asset.

You got it, they want it now not have to work their way up the ranks. Talk about some spoiled little brats

[EGTuna]

You got it, they want it now not have to work their way up the ranks. Talk about some spoiled little brats

Unfortunately the Occupy Wall Street movement morphed from legitimate concerns with how big investment banks were gaming the system to what we see today with people demanding jobs/money/debt forgiveness.

Banks like GS and JPM did awful, awful things that should have resulted in criminal charges (look up what JPM did to Jefferson County, AL for just one example), but because the SEC is both ineffectual and populated with lawyers that previously worked for large investment banks as well as Wall Street lobbying money flowing like an avalanche into the the campaign funds of every politician left or right, no one from these banks get charged or prosecuted.

Also, Occupy Wall Street was originally pushing for better reform than the lame Dodd-Frank bill that by the time it was passed did little to regulate the derivatives market or curb Too Big To Fail practices.

[Sam I Am]

Also, Occupy Wall Street was originally pushing for better reform than the lame Dodd-Frank bill that by the time it was passed did little to regulate the derivatives market or curb Too Big To Fail practices.

Not completely true. Dodd-Frank directly effects my company and our customers. (my company in a good way) It will add a lot more transparency to the derivatives market and a lot of banks that were trading with government ensured monies won't be able to do that anymore.

It definitely isn't as tough as it should be, but it definitely put a stop to a lot of BS that was happening that definitely shouldn't have happened.

[EGTuna]

Not completely true. Dodd-Frank directly effects my company and our customers. (my company in a good way) It will add a lot more transparency to the derivatives market and a lot of banks that were trading with government ensured monies won't be able to do that anymore.

It definitely isn't as tough as it should be, but it definitely put a stop to a lot of BS that was happening that definitely shouldn't have happened.

Dodd-Frank effects everyone that trades derivatives. Derivatives were originally created for risk management (your basic IR Swap), but then banks started hiring geniuses from MIT and CalTech to come up with crazy ways to use derivatives for arbitrage purposes and that's when things got nuts. Banks were naked hedging and leveraging themselves way too much. Dodd-Frank doesn't address this very well. Yes, it says some derivatives have to be centrally cleared on an exchange, but it didn't set capital terms nearly as stringent or do anything to re-instate Glass-Steagall.