Pacquiao vs Bradley

[BigWillie]

If you're a betting man, and can find an open line in Vegas, take the odds on Bradley.

Even as a Pacquiao fan, his focus in leading up to this fight has been horrid and even on fight night, it just seems as if he is focused on anything but his fight tonight.

Timothy Bradley looked INCREDIBLE during weigh-ins yesterday. Bradley is an absolute warrior, and a very good counter puncher who will work into Pacquiao's body.

Even as a Pacquiao fan, I'm betting on Bradley tonight. Just don't think Pacquiao had the focus in training to stay with a young, hungry fighter like Bradley.

Manny needed focus like he had against Cotto, ODLH, or Margarito, but I just don't think Manny had that in him over the past couple of months leading into this fight tonight.

Bradley by UD

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Go Pacquaio!

[GloryDaysRBack]

Let's go Bradley!!

[Sasquatch]

Manny seems to be taking a pretty leisurely approach to the pre-fight.

[MC KAos]

ya with the odds id take bradley, i hope paquiao wins though

[BigWillie]

Right now, I'm looking wrong. Really, really wrong.

Manny is ripping Bradley up with his straight left.

[BigWillie]

Well, unless Timmy gets a miracle KO, I'm out 3 units on this fight. DOH!

[Hoofbite]

any stream?

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Manny is kicking Bradley's ***.

[Sasquatch]

Bradely showed some heart but Pac dominated the fight until he relented in the later rounds.

[MC KAos]

ya, pacman brought bonner, blair, james anderson, neal and patty mills off the bench after the 9th round

[MC KAos]

uhh, what fight were they watching?

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Pacquaio lost ***? :banghead: :mad:

[BigWillie]

What in God's name just happened? They gave Bradley the decision? That's .. unbelievable.

[Sasquatch]

What on earth?

[numnuts23]

WOW - only in boxing, only in boxing (and the NBA sometimes) :eek:

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

What a ****ing joke.

[Sasquatch]

The decision may have gone to Bradley but everyone knows Manny won the fight easily. Crazy, crazy outcome to what seemed like an straightforward call.

[TheCoolFan]

RIP to boxing...it's over. They're trying to get behind Bradley and turn him into the new big name

[MC KAos]

unbelievable, not only did manny land 100 more punches, 100 more power punches, and ALL his punches were like 4 times more powerful, but he lost? this is like osama bin laden being declared the winner against the navy seals

[Lodeus]

What a joke! I am not even a Pacq fan, but that is clearly bogus.

[MC KAos]

Bomani Jones ‏@bomani_jones
this might be the worst decision i've ever seen. bradley might die in a rematch. i mean, pac might beat him to death.

[BigWillie]

Literally, Keith Kizer and the entire NSAC need to have a federal investigation launched into them for corruptness.

Literally, there are only 2 people on Earth who would have scored that fight for Bradley. And it had to be 2 idiots who were actually the judges of the fight.

Absurd. Absolutely absurd.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I'm talking last 10 years yes Dallas fans worse than 2006 Manny kicked Bradley's *** and somehow lost. Unbelievable.

[Hoofbite]

I didn't see the fight but I saw that Lederman had a landslide for Manny.

I wonder if Boxing knows that Manny vs. Floyd will never happen so they are putting a new face into the discussion because Floyd vs. Bradley may happen.

[MC KAos]

jerry ferrara ‏@jerrycferrara
Personally I think the judges on the fight were mad Pacquaio made everyone wait for a bball game.

[Lodeus]

Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless

WHAT?! THIS IS THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS DECISION IN BOXING HISTORY! I SCORED IT 11 OF 12 ROUNDS FOR PACQUIAO! FLAT-OUT ROBBERY! I'M IN SHOCK!

[Sasquatch]

Props to Bradley and Manny for handling the interviews with class and maturity despite the awkwardness of the situation.

[JoeyBoy718]

Pac Man just lost a split decision to undefeated youngster Timothy Bradley. It was definitely controversial because I think Pac won it clearly. Who saw the fight?

[MC KAos]

Bomani Jones ‏@bomani_jones
the look on bradley's face after hearing he won is how rashard lewis must looked when the magic called. #forreal?

[ajk23az]

i watched. that was the worst decision i have ever seen. god awful...those judges should be ashamed.

[MC KAos]

i wish i would have been on the inside of this fix! i would have taken out all the money in my credit cards, taken a personal loan, sold all my cars, gotten a HELOC loan, sold all my valuables, gotten a loan from my 401k, borrowed money from every family member, somehow gone to vegas and put it all on bradley! id be filthy rich!

[MC KAos]

Cedric Golden ‏@CedGolden
I hate boxing sometimes. Embarrassing display. Those judges deserve a cell next to Floyd. #dumbfounded

[ajk23az]

that was pathetic.

this decision will definitely turn away people that just started watching boxing because they know how awful it was.

im pissed and im not even a big manny fan.

[MC KAos]

Oscar De La Hoya ‏@OscarDeLaHoya
I'm having trinidad flashbacks.

[MC KAos]

i dont think the country has been this united against anything since 9/11

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Joke.

[Hoofbite]

Can you imagine paying for that?

[TheCoolFan]

:laugh1: I haven't seen ONE person from the media or on social network say that Bradley deserved it

The fight with Marquez was much closer and he actually made Pac sweat but Pac ended up winning that one. This one was not even close

[johnny utah]

I am sick after this decision. Bradley won two rounds tops. This is unreal.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Can you imagine paying for that?

Funny thing is I actually wanted to go to this fight. Glad I didn't.

[MC KAos]

Michael Smith ‏@undecided
Welp. “@mdotbrown: Just rewatched Friday. Red beat Deebo in a split decision.”

[COWBOYSNUM1]

That decision was HORRIBLE! I thought Bradley won only 1 round, possibly 2. The other 10 rounds were clearly won by Manny.

After the decision Jay Glazer demand immediate drug testing....for the judges. :lmao2:

[kristie]

i apologize for the minor swearing in this. i hope i don't get trouble into for it:

duTKDnpFzlg

[kristie]

boxing is rigged

[MC KAos]

if we are talking about the worst possible way that someone not directly playing/fighting in a sporting event deciding it (ie refs, umps, judges, etc) then absolutely! it cant get worse! nothing comes even close in my entire lifetime or anything i have seen from before it!

[Dash28]

Worst decision i've ever seen.

Just flat-out robbery.

[johnny utah]

Worst decision i've ever seen.

Just flat-out robbery.

That is with out question the worst decision in boxing history.

[MC KAos]

and of course, the only one agreeing with this is dez....

edit:nevermind, i think he was being facetious

[big dog cowboy]

Sometimes I wonder if boxing is really a legit sport any more.

[johnny utah]

This is a prime example why MMA has taking over.

[kristie]

This is a prime example why MMA has taking over.

exactly.

[Dash28]

Bradley even knows he lost and saying he has to go back to the tape to see if he won.

I still can't believe that decision, ridiculous.

[neosapien23]

Am I the only one laughing that this happend? Manny is a great fighter, but I do not like the way he made Cotto lose weight to meet him at a catchweight and then still take his title nor was I happy that Arum did not want to make the fight with mayweather because of his personal feelings. I still think Marquez won that 3rd fight and Manny got the benefit of the judges. This is why you take the big money fight when it is in front of you instead of letting egos get in the way. Good luck in negotations with Mayweather now that Manny's got a loss (even though it is illegitimate).

[JoeyBoy718]

I wonder how this impacts the Mayweather fight, which probably would never have happened. And now with Mayweather in prison it's going to throw off any kind of fight at least a year and a half. Those two idiots blew a billion dollar opportunity--literally.

[MC KAos]

Am I the only one laughing that this happend? Manny is a great fighter, but I do not like the way he made Cotto lose weight to meet him at a catchweight and then still take his title nor was I happy that Arum did not want to make the fight with mayweather because of his personal feelings. I still think Marquez won that 3rd fight and Manny got the benefit of the judges. This is why you take the big money fight when it is in front of you instead of letting egos get in the way. Good luck in negotations with Mayweather now that Manny's got a loss (even though it is illegitimate).

man, i should have given that bum i saw downtown a dollar! i deserved the 10k i lost in the stock market because of it! :rolleyes:

[BigWillie]

One thing is for sure, there is no way in *you know where* that I am putting a single dollar into a fight that is Top Rank promoted or is sanctioned by the NSAC. And this goes for UFC PPV's as well in Nevada.

No way I will allow corrupt those blatantly corrupt individuals to profit a single penny from me anymore.

Keith Kizer needed to be fired a LONG time ago. This only cements that fact.

[Dash28]

Teddy Atlas: "Boxing is a corrupt sport."

MMA is taking over IMO.

[MC KAos]

I wonder how this impacts the Mayweather fight, which probably would never have happened. And now with Mayweather in prison it's going to throw off any kind of fight at least a year and a half. Those two idiots blew a billion dollar opportunity--literally.

i didnt think floyd would fight him in his next fight anyway, IF it were to ever happened, i dont think it was to be this fall, but next summer IMO

[MC KAos]

i was going to pay for the floyd/manny fight if it ever happened, but even if it does happen i dont see how i could bring myself to paying for it after this crap

[Dash28]

i didnt think floyd would fight him in his next fight anyway, IF it were to ever happened, i dont think it was to be this fall, but next summer IMO
I agree with Roy Jones that Mayweather wants no part of Pac.

Don't think it matters now anyway, don't see it happening after this (thanks judges).

[MC KAos]

oh man, bradley better have his will updated if he fights paquiao again after this quote!

"I thought I won the fight," Bradley said. "I didn't think he was as good as everyone says he was. I didn't feel his power."

[MC KAos]

"I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.

[Dash28]

oh man, bradley better have his will updated if he fights paquiao again after this quote!

"I thought I won the fight," Bradley said. "I didn't think he was as good as everyone says he was. I didn't feel his power."
What a lie, he admitted to it after the fight. IIRC he stated he was rocked a few times and that Pac hit hard.

Bradley told Arum before the scores that he tried hard but couldnt beat that guy.

[kristie]

i was going to pay for the floyd/manny fight if it ever happened, but even if it does happen i dont see how i could bring myself to paying for it after this crap

same here. it just sucks right now.:(

[neosapien23]

man, i should have given that bum i saw downtown a dollar! i deserved the 10k i lost in the stock market because of it! :rolleyes:


Not the same situation. Team pacquiao made Cotto drop weight to get a fight with Manny. Now I know 2-3 lbs does not sound like alot of weight to lose but when your struggling to get down to 147 already and then you got to get to 144 it takes a huge strain on your stamina. That was a dirty move they pulled on Cotto and the fact his promoter encouraged it shows that Arum was not looking out for Miguel. Cotto took the fight under those stipulations and gassed out in the later rounds.

As for Arum, he is an ahole period. He is a leach and Manny should have left him a long time ago. There is no doubt in my mind that Arum holds alot of bad blood towards Mayweather. I believe that any other promoter could have worked something out with Mayweather where it could have been a 60-40 split which would have been more than fair. Arum wouldn't come off with the attitude of we don't need Mayweather. Also don't be surprised if Arum and something to do with the judges as he is Bradley's promoter as well. Arum is in it for himself and not his fighters and certainly not for the fans as well.

[MC KAos]

Not the same situation. Team pacquiao made Cotto drop weight to get a fight with Manny. Now I know 2-3 lbs does not sound like alot of weight to lose but when your struggling to get down to 147 already and then you got to get to 144 it takes a huge strain on your stamina. That was a dirty move they pulled on Cotto and the fact his promoter encouraged it shows that Arum was not looking out for Miguel. Cotto took the fight under those stipulations and gassed out in the later rounds.

As for Arum, he is an ahole period. He is a leach and Manny should have left him a long time ago. There is no doubt in my mind that Arum holds alot of bad blood towards Mayweather. I believe that any other promoter could have worked something out with Mayweather where it could have been a 60-40 split which would have been more than fair. Arum wouldn't come off with the attitude of we don't need Mayweather. Also don't be surprised if Arum and something to do with the judges as he is Bradley's promoter as well. Arum is in it for himself and not his fighters and certainly not for the fans as well.


your credibility, lost

[neosapien23]

your credibility, lost

dude what are you talking about. Cotto had to meet Manny at a catchweight for his welterweight title even though Manny had already destroyed Oscar at 147. The catchweight was a stipulation that Cotto had to agree to get the fight with pacquiao . This is not something I'm making up either as anyone with internet could easily look it up. As a matter of fact, Cotto refused a rematch because they wanted a catchweight of 147 lbs when Cotto now fights at 154. The only difference is that Cotto had more leverage this time as Mayweather wanted to fight him as well so he refused. Now I'm not saying that Bradley won the fight because he obviously did not.

[MC KAos]

dude what are you talking about. Cotto had to meet Manny at a catchweight for his welterweight title even though Manny had already destroyed Oscar at 147. The catchweight was a stipulation that Cotto had to agree to get the fight with pacquiao . This is not something I'm making up either as anyone with internet could easily look it up. As a matter of fact, Cotto refused a rematch because they wanted a catchweight of 147 lbs when Cotto now fights at 154. The only difference is that Cotto had more leverage this time as Mayweather wanted to fight him as well so he refused. Now I'm not saying that Bradley won the fight because he obviously did not.

key words, he didnt HAVE to do anything

[GloryDaysRBack]

I just watched the fight again. It's much closer than I originally anticipated

[MC KAos]

Let's go Bradley!!

I just watched the fight again. It's much closer than I originally anticipated

of course it was!

[neosapien23]

key words, he didnt HAVE to do anything


your right, but if you were Cotto's promoter would you have made him come down in weight to defend his title? You can't tell me that Arum could have advised him to stand firm at 147 since he was the champ. Cotto agreed to it for a big payday and took a beating for it. Arum wanted Manny to win and had no problems with stacking the odds against Miguel. Now I'm not saying Cotto would have won at 147 as there is no way of telling, but I do know that Manny had no problems fighting at 147 against Oscar and even tried to make Marquez fight him at 147 for this last fight before the catchweight was agreed upon. He even agreed to fight Margarito at 150. Yes Miguel did not have agree to the catchweight, but his promoter who happened to promote his opponent was not looking out for his best intrest.

[Dash28]

I just watched the fight again. It's much closer than I originally anticipated
Sure.

Bradley clearly lost and by multiple rounds.

[GloryDaysRBack]

of course it was!

watch it again

[GloryDaysRBack]

Sure.

Bradley clearly lost and by multiple rounds.

I originally thought the same thing. Tape doesn't lie. Watch it

[Dash28]

watch it again
I don't have to. Pac landed almost 100 more punches and landed more 10 of 12 rounds.

Bradley was dominated. He had nothing for Pac. Boxing is corrupt, glad i'm a fan of MMA.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I don't have to.

Bradley was dominated. He had nothing for Pac. Boxing is corrupt, glad i'm a fan of MMA.

Or you could be naive. Sure

[BigWillie]

dude what are you talking about. Cotto had to meet Manny at a catchweight for his welterweight title even though Manny had already destroyed Oscar at 147. The catchweight was a stipulation that Cotto had to agree to get the fight with pacquiao . This is not something I'm making up either as anyone with internet could easily look it up. As a matter of fact, Cotto refused a rematch because they wanted a catchweight of 147 lbs when Cotto now fights at 154. The only difference is that Cotto had more leverage this time as Mayweather wanted to fight him as well so he refused. Now I'm not saying that Bradley won the fight because he obviously did not.

Dear Lord.

The catchweight was at 145.

Cotto had fought at 147 for years before he fought Pacquiao. He only moved up in class after he fought Manny, when he took on Yuri Foreman.

Bringing up Cotto's move to Manny is irregardless because Cotto had NEVER fought above 147 before his fight with Manny.

Cotto also only fought ONE POUND LESS at 145 than he did when he weighed in for his previous fight against Clottey. He weighed in at 146 in that fight.

[neosapien23]

Dear Lord.

The catchweight was at 145.

Cotto had fought at 147 for years before he fought Pacquiao. He only moved up in class after he fought Manny, when he took on Yuri Foreman.

Bringing up Cotto's move to Manny is irregardless because Cotto had NEVER fought above 147 before his fight with Manny.

Cotto also only fought ONE POUND LESS at 145 than he did when he weighed in for his previous fight against Clottey. He weighed in at 146 in that fight.


If it wouldn't have mattered, they would have never put it in contract. Cotto weighed 146 for Clottey but you and I both know he probably fights around 152 come fight night. Every pound these athletes have to make the night before is a taxing effort and and extra 2 pounds the night before is huge.

[BigWillie]

If it wouldn't have mattered, they would have never put it in contract. Cotto weighed 146 for Clottey but you and I both know he probably fights around 152 come fight night. Every pound these athletes have to make the night before is a taxing effort and and extra 2 pounds the night before is huge.

What are you even talking about?

It was a pound difference for Cotto. He could have taken off his shorts on the scale against Clottey and weighed in at 145 for that fight. But doing it against Manny is a huge drain?

Just stop. You're just talking nonsense at this point.

[Rogah]

That was the single worst decision I've seen since the '88 Olympics and Roy Jones Jr.

[Dash28]

That was the single worst decision I've seen since the '88 Olympics and Roy Jones Jr.
Yes it was.

It's real bad when even Bradley's manager scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Pac.

[neosapien23]

What are you even talking about?

It was a pound difference for Cotto. He could have taken off his shorts on the scale against Clottey and weighed in at 145 for that fight. But doing it against Manny is a huge drain?

Just stop. You're just talking nonsense at this point.


Whatever dude, I am going to stop but only because we are not going to see eye to eye on this issue. Obviously Roach that it was a big deal or he would have never asked for the catchweight in the first place. I could counter your statement with well if 2lbs was not that big of a deal than why did it have to be agreed upon in the first place if making weight at 145 vs 147 the night would not have much bearing on the fight.

[johnny utah]

I just watched the fight again. It's much closer than I originally anticipated

Watch it with your glasses on next time.

[Yuma Cactus]

That was the single worst decision I've seen since the '88 Olympics and Roy Jones Jr.

Exactly.

[casmith07]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.

[Risen Star]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.

That's what I thought. That he was lucky to win his last fight.

I didn't see this one yet. I'm sure everybody's right and he got screwed. Wouldn't be the first fighter to be robbed.

ESPN reported that Bradley himself said right after the fight and before the decision was announced "I tried my best but just couldn't beat him".

[jimmy40]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

like everyone that's not a NFL coach thinks they can coach, and everyone that's not a GM thinks they can run a draft, and everyone that's not a NFL player thinks they know how to play in the NFL and everyone that's not a ref thinks they can ref. There should be a place where non qualified people can give their opinions on sports.

[03EBZ06]

I've watch the fight via PPV and I have no doubt my mind that Pacman won the fight, it wasn't even close. Now I don't care who wins but that was the worst boxing decision that I have seen.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I just watched the fight again. It's much closer than I originally anticipated

No it's not. It wasn't close at all. Boxing is a joke.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.

this.

it's absolutely hysterical. I bet if you polled everyone in this thread-just about nobody could tell you precisely how rounds are scored.

[cowboys#1]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.
what are the qualifications of being a professional boxing judge?

im sure opening your eyes and counting is a must.

bradley never even hurt pac in the fight.

pac hurt bradley at least twice.

[cowboys#1]

Bob Arum, who represents both bradley and pacman said "I never felt ashamed about the sport of boxing as I do today".

[Doomsday]

This is the kind of stuff that makes boxing look so bad, and people lose interest. The decisions have gotten so bad, it screams corruption. All the impartial boxing authorities I have read had it at least 8 rounds to 4 for Pac. That is a bid discrepancy.

[Hoofbite]

like everyone that's not a NFL coach thinks they can coach, and everyone that's not a GM thinks they can run a draft, and everyone that's not a NFL player thinks they know how to play in the NFL and everyone that's not a ref thinks they can ref. There should be a place where non qualified people can give their opinions on sports.

Interesting point. I fully expect I'll never see another gripe about nfl officiating from here on out.

[Dash28]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.

Why do you offer your opinion on nba refs in playoffs thread? Nfl refs and game?

Are you a judge or ref? This is a forum to offer our opinion and talk sports, see how ridiculous that sounds if we're not a judge we can't tell who won a fight?

I don't need to be an official judge to tell that was a robbery by the judges.

[Hoofbite]

Wow.

Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao and Bradley, was stunned. He said he had it 118-110 for Pacquiao.

"When I came into the ring [after the fight], I said to Tim, 'You did very well,' and he said 'I tried hard and I couldn't beat the guy. You talk about killing boxing. Even had it 8-4 for Pacquiao.

[B]"Something like this is so outlandish, it's a death knell for the sport. This is f------ nuts. I have both guys, and I'll make a lot of money in the rematch, but it's ridiculous. You have these old f---- who don't know what the hell they're looking at. It's incompetence. Nobody who knows anything about boxing could have Bradley ahead in the fight."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8032206/manny-pacquiao-shocked-split-decision-loss-timothy-bradley-jr

[nyc-cowboy]

And this is why Boxing has lost soooooooo many fans.

The mob and judges made a boatload of money.

The thing I say they should implement is give a recorder to each judge and let them talk into it as they judge the fight - then you can see how and why they scored a fight.

[casmith07]

what are the qualifications of being a professional boxing judge?

im sure opening your eyes and counting is a must.

bradley never even hurt pac in the fight.

pac hurt bradley at least twice.

"hurting" is not how you score rounds.

[Hoofbite]

Look at the compubox tally.

http://static.rappler.com/images/compubox-20120610.jpg

[casmith07]

Here guys: http://www.tinfoilonmyhead.com/

[Hoofbite]

"hurting" is not how you score rounds.

What exactly was it that you saw that the entire rest of the world did not?

I haven't watched the fight yet but I would be very hard pressed to believe that the entire world is wrong.

I saw the 12th round and there wasn't a single person who had a microphone on air who didn't think it was an outright terrible decision.

[GloryDaysRBack]

What exactly was it that you saw that the entire rest of the world did not?

I haven't watched the fight yet but I would be very hard pressed to believe that the entire world is wrong.

I saw the 12th round and there wasn't a single person who had a microphone on air who didn't think it was an outright terrible decision.

Pacquiao let up off the gas major midway through the fight. Most people probably stopped watching closely bc nobody thought Bradley had a chance. However, Bradley absolutely won the last 3 rounds of the fight and it was scored that way.

[StevenOtero]

Yawn, for those of you that are giving the fight to Bradley. Go get your eyes checked ASAP.

I can see this has turned into a racial thing too. ...sigh... Figures.

(No, I'm not saying on this board exactly either.)

[Derekmtl85]

this.

it's absolutely hysterical. I bet if you polled everyone in this thread-just about nobody could tell you precisely how rounds are scored.

He dominated the punch % in all three categories.

Even Bradley said he didn't win (before the decision was made).

Why are you defending someone that thought he lost?

[Hoofbite]

Pacquiao let up off the gas major midway through the fight. Most people probably stopped watching closely bc nobody thought Bradley had a chance. However, Bradley absolutely won the last 3 rounds of the fight and it was scored that way.

So you decided the fight in the last 3 rounds?

[nyc-cowboy]

this.

it's absolutely hysterical. I bet if you polled everyone in this thread-just about nobody could tell you precisely how rounds are scored.

I knew most of this but here it is for those that don't.....

Now can ppl honestly say that Bradly won.....REALLY?

And if anyone has followed this sport for a while they would know that they usually give the CHAMP the benefit of the doubt in a close fight - and this fight wasn't even close.

********************************

The scoring shall be done on a TEN POINT must system. Judges are to score each round using the following scoring criteria:

1. Clean punching (power versus quantity).
2. Effective aggressiveness.
3. Ring generalship.
4. Defense.

Incomplete or Partial Rounds
In the event that the bout is stopped in the middle of the round, the judges shall score ALL incomplete or partials rounds as if they were a complete round.

Knockdowns
Judges shall deduct points for knockdowns only when they are called as such by the referee.

Point Deductions
Judges may only deduct points for fouls when they are instructed to do so by the referee.

General guidelines for the "10 Point Must System"
Judges should avoid scoring a round even. (Complete concentration and application of the scoring criteria will allow Judges to pick the winner of each round.)

The basic scoring concepts
- Round ends, no clear winner 10-10 (Rare)
- Close round/Winning of the round by effective boxing – 10-9
- One knockdown and a winning of the round – 10-8
- No knockdowns, but a clear dominating winning of the round – 10-8
- Two knockdowns – 10-7
- One knockdown and one point deduction to the same boxer – 10-8 (minus 1) = 10-7
- More than two knockdowns – 10-6
- Two knockdowns and one point deduction – 10-7 (minus 1) = 10-6

[stowle07]

I just don't understand how Manny could land more punches and power punches AND post a higher percentage of hits landed and lose due to a decision.


The fight wasn't even close folks. This **** is rigged.

[casmith07]

Pacquiao let up off the gas major midway through the fight. Most people probably stopped watching closely bc nobody thought Bradley had a chance. However, Bradley absolutely won the last 3 rounds of the fight and it was scored that way.

This is what I saw. And people are complaining because of big punches, but big punches aren't worth more than others.

[Rogah]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches. I'm not an NFL referee either but I sure know a touchdown when I see it.
I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.If you think the "circus" was bad before, it's only going to get worse following this atrocious decision. There are people who honestly believe the outcome was rigged and nothing could ever destroy a sport faster than that.

[Hoofbite]

Question for both. If the final 3 rounds were the deciding factor, how did you guys see the first 9?

Where did things sit after the 9th round?

Pacquiao let up off the gas major midway through the fight. Most people probably stopped watching closely bc nobody thought Bradley had a chance. However, Bradley absolutely won the last 3 rounds of the fight and it was scored that way.

This is what I saw. And people are complaining because of big punches, but big punches aren't worth more than others.

I think people are complaining because Manny landed more punches in every category and at a higher percentage.

I'm not even sure people would view punches similarly and even if they did, how does that do anything to make a case for Bradley?

[Dash28]

This is what I saw. And people are complaining because of big punches, but big punches aren't worth more than others.

What are you talking about?

PAC lead all categories in the fight, no matter jab or power punches.

You just sound like a hater or aren't a judge! :laugh2:

[crazytown41]

I love how everyone that's not a boxing judge thinks they can judge matches.

I'm personally glad to see Pacquiao lose. He's been declining fight after fight and should have lost to Marquez.

Now the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight will be permanently off and boxing can move on from being held hostage by this ridiculous circus.
Move on to what? Those 2 have been carrying the sport for the last 10 years.

The sport is dead. And was dead long before last night

RIP

[RastaRocket]

I didn't watch this fight so I can't say too much; but I think it is unfair that all you are hearing about is corruption and discrediting Bradley.

Also, I watched Pac Man's last fight and he did not win that fight. So even if Bradley "didn't" win this fight the same thing happened to Pac Man last fight. It almost seems like all the media is because their pay day might have decreased on the potential Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight.

[BigWillie]

The mob and judges made a boatload of money.

Oh, some people made a ton last night. In the last few hours before the fight the line went from about +410 to +325 the last time I looked at the line. Late money was heavy on Bradley.

I got on the line at +350, and ended up cashing about a little over a grand. As much as I love the money, it was definitely dirty money, though. Luckily, dirty money spends the same as clean money. :)

[stowle07]

I didn't watch this fight so I can't say too much; but I think it is unfair that all you are hearing about is corruption and discrediting Bradley.

Also, I watched Pac Man's last fight and he did not win that fight. So even if Bradley "didn't" win this fight the same thing happened to Pac Man last fight. It almost seems like all the media is because their pay day might have decreased on the potential Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight.


LOL

It wasn't even close. PLEASE go watch the fight before you post another moronic comment.

[BraveHeartFan]

Well that probably puts the final nail in any shot at Manny fighting Mayweather.

And that's the only fight I've even cared about seeing in boxing in more than 10 years.

There is absolutely zero fights out there that interest me at all outside of that one and at this point there is absolutely zero incentive for Mayweather to even fight Manny.

[juck]

http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2012/06/world-shocked-shocked-by-possible-match-fixing.html

[RastaRocket]

LOL

It wasn't even close. PLEASE go watch the fight before you post another moronic comment.

Regardless, Pacquiao lost his last fight as well.

Thanks for acknowledging my "moronic" comment; that is a pretty "moronic" statement. You could just say something like "Hey, I watched the fight and it wasn't even close in my opinion." I acknowledged I didn't watch the fight so you would take that with a grain of salt, obviously you didn't.

The main points of my comment however are.

1. Bradley technically won the fight regardless of what anybody says, and nobody is giving the guy even a sliver of acknowledgement. I mean, this guy was undefeated going into the fight; I think he deserves some respect.

2. I thought Pacquiao lost his previous fight; yet whenever it happens to him nobody says anything. Some people did but it got swept under the rug immediately.

[jnday]

This is what I saw. And people are complaining because of big punches, but big punches aren't worth more than others.

Unless the rules have changed, big punches do count more in the pros.

[Hoofbite]

Regardless, Pacquiao lost his last fight as well.

Thanks for acknowledging my "moronic" comment; that is a pretty "moronic" statement. You could just say something like "Hey, I watched the fight and it wasn't even close in my opinion." I acknowledged I didn't watch the fight so you would take that with a grain of salt, obviously you didn't.

The main points of my comment however are.

1. Bradley technically won the fight regardless of what anybody says, and nobody is giving the guy even a sliver of acknowledgement. I mean, this guy was undefeated going into the fight; I think he deserves some respect.

2. I thought Pacquiao lost his previous fight; yet whenever it happens to him nobody says anything. Some people did but it got swept under the rug immediately.

It's kind of hard to give a guy credit when he flat out admits he lost the fight before the decision came out,

[RastaRocket]

It's kind of hard to give a guy credit when he flat out admits he lost the fight before the decision came out,

How did he admit defeat?

[ajk23az]

How did he admit defeat?

Bradley said "i tried my best but couldn't beat him" before the decision was made.

[RastaRocket]

Bradley said "i tried my best but couldn't beat him" before the decision was made.

hmmm...

They just need to start knocking people out. Maybe this is why welterweight gets the most attention nowadays. Maybe they just promote welterweight fighters because they are less likely to get KO's and are more prone to decisions. The Klitschko brothers get no media attention over here, or any other heavyweight fighters for that matter.

Vitali Klitschko - 44 wins; 40 KO's

Wladimir Klitschko - 57 wins; 50 KO's
- he actually does have a fight scheduled in November at MSG.

[crazytown41]

2. I thought Pacquiao lost his previous fight; yet whenever it happens to him nobody says anything. Some people did but it got swept under the rug immediately.
Hell you talking about? That fight was close. And you can certainly make a case for JMM winning.

This however wasn't even close.

Seriously, quit posting on here and watch the fight instead digging yourself into a bigger hole

[RastaRocket]

Hell you talking about? That fight was close. And you can certainly make a case for JMM winning.

This however wasn't even close.

Seriously, quit posting on here and watch the fight instead digging yourself into a bigger hole

I thought he lost that fight. It's really the same thing; a corrupt win is a corrupt win, just saying.

[crazytown41]

I thought he lost that fight. It's really the same thing; a corrupt win is a corrupt win, just saying.How is it the same thing? One was close, one wasnt. :confused:

[RastaRocket]

How is it the same thing? One was close, one wasnt. :confused:

They were both corrupt. I'll stop though haha.

Just knock each other out!

[CowboyChris]

i watched the fight, and although i agree Manny won, it wasnt by the margin the announcers and Lederman were making it out to be. i scored it 119-114 for Manny.

[Risen Star]

i watched the fight, and although i agree Manny won, it wasnt by the margin the announcers and Lederman were making it out to be. i scored it 119-114 for Manny.

Even the judge who scored it for Manny only had it 115-113.

[stowle07]

Open scoring- the only way to fix boxing

[kristie]

Open scoring- the only way to fix boxing

i agree.

[RastaRocket]

Here is Ochocinco's take on the fight.

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
There were very "Powerful" individuals who bet on Bradley (see where i'm going) RT @justinee_GLEEK: @ochocinco thoughts on PACQUIAO fight ?

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
Powerful enough where heads would roll if that decision didn't go to Bradley.. It's clear as day who won RT @MisterMusik: powerful like?

[MC KAos]

Here is Ochocinco's take on the fight.

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
There were very "Powerful" individuals who bet on Bradley (see where i'm going) RT @justinee_GLEEK: @ochocinco thoughts on PACQUIAO fight ?

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
Powerful enough where heads would roll if that decision didn't go to Bradley.. It's clear as day who won RT @MisterMusik: powerful like?

its weird that ocho makes so much sense!

[MC KAos]

question is, was part of the "powerful" people arum himself? i wouldnt doubt it

[MC KAos]

i really wish floyd wasnt in jail, id love to hear what he has to say for once!

[RastaRocket]

its weird that ocho makes so much sense!

Maybe he knows some of the "powerful" people haha.

[tupperware]

I have a hard time watching boxing since being introduced to MMA.

[Arch Stanton]

Open scoring- the only way to fix boxing

I thought it was already fixed.

[CATCH17]

Here is Ochocinco's take on the fight.

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
There were very "Powerful" individuals who bet on Bradley (see where i'm going) RT @justinee_GLEEK: @ochocinco thoughts on PACQUIAO fight ?

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
Powerful enough where heads would roll if that decision didn't go to Bradley.. It's clear as day who won RT @MisterMusik: powerful like?

If true it makes you wonder if that leaks over into other sports.


We obviously know the NBA feels fixed at times.

[juck]

It was fixed

[Chocolate Lab]

Here is Ochocinco's take on the fight.

Chad Ochocinco ‏@ochocinco
There were very "Powerful" individuals who bet on Bradley (see where i'm going) RT @justinee_GLEEK: @ochocinco thoughts on PACQUIAO fight ?

Right, yesterday ESPN radio had on one of the guys who runs one of the biggest books in Vegas (didn't catch the hotel) and he said he had a flood of money for Bradley from a few big players at the very last second before that fight.

Yeah, it was definitely fixed.

This is the most unanimous outrage I can ever remember about a sporting event like this. Maybe the US-USSR Olympics basketball final compares, though that was before my time. When so many authorities say it wasn't even close, the fix was in.

So tell Teddy Atlas and pretty much every boxing authority on Earth to get their tinfoil hat out.

[joseephuss]

They had the posters promoting the rematch out pretty quickly and the ticket sales started the day after the fight. Sounds suspicious to me. :D

[Phoenix]

They had the posters promoting the rematch out pretty quickly and the ticket sales started the day after the fight. Sounds suspicious to me. :D

Bradley tweeted the rematch poster eleven days BEFORE this first one.

[MC KAos]

Bradley tweeted the rematch poster eleven days BEFORE this first one.

ya i saw that, maybe thats why manny didnt look as cut up as he normally does, he knew it didnt really matter

[MFWitt63]

unbelievable, not only did manny land 100 more punches, 100 more power punches, and ALL his punches were like 4 times more powerful, but he lost? this is like osama bin laden being declared the winner against the navy seals

i just busted out laughing at work:lmao2:

[nyc-cowboy]

This is what I saw. And people are complaining because of big punches, but big punches aren't worth more than others.

Maybe you missed the rules I posted above yours...

Rule #1 - Clean punches - quality (hard punches) over quantity.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Maybe you missed the rules I posted above yours...

Rule #1 - Clean punches - quality (hard punches) over quantity.

Pacman dominated this category

However, Bradley dominated the defense category

[MC KAos]

Pacman dominated this category

However, Bradley dominated the defense category

is that why manny's hitting percentage was twice as high as bradley's? cuz that makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:

[GloryDaysRBack]

is that why manny's hitting percentage was twice as high as bradley's? cuz that makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:

Look here bitter Betty! Pacman lost-move on

[Dash28]

is that why manny's hitting percentage was twice as high as bradley's? cuz that makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:

:laugh2:

[kristie]

is that why manny's hitting percentage was twice as high as bradley's? cuz that makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:

oh jeez....:laugh2:

[MC KAos]

Look here bitter Betty! Pacman lost-move on

you must be only the third person on the planet that truly believes that was deserved, or you are great at lying to yourself.

[Biggems]

boxing is a huge joke.........i cannot stand watching it anymore.

At least Pro Wrestling admits to being staged.....boxing would save face if it would simply admit what we already know....it is rigged, sports entertainment, and hasn't been a legit sport for nearly 2 decades.

What they need to do is get just 1 Title Belt for each weight class. Have boxers from all over the world compete for that 1 title. Instead of having like 100 different boxing organizations, simply merge them all into 1......I like the WBF (World Boxing Federation).

Then, have a 3-man judge crew. These crews judge non-Championship fights, building up point totals. The crews with the highest points get to judge the Championship fights. Points are rewarded by quality judging. The more correct the judging, the more points the crew will receive. Also, if the judges go off the deep end and completely screw it up, the crew should be reprimanded with fines, suspensions, and/or possible loss of judging licenses.

This would make for better fights, bigger fights, and more legit Champions. Boxing fans may once again get their money's worth.

[Biggems]

you must be only the third person on the planet that truly believes that was deserved, or you are great at lying to yourself.


your avatar............the best poster ever....my bro had it, i want it. I am not a huge fan of posters, but this one is a definite must.

[MC KAos]

your avatar............the best poster ever....my bro had it, i want it. I am not a huge fan of posters, but this one is a definite must.

ya, its my all time favorite poster, second being this one...

http://hillleadership.wikispaces.com/file/view/GPP51002~Muhammad-Ali-Posters.jpg/113643249/GPP51002~Muhammad-Ali-Posters.jpg

when i lived in san antonio they had that poster on sale autographed by ice, i think it was going for 4 or 5 hundred dollars! i wanted to get it, but when i had the money it was already sold. i almost got an autographed robert horry one instead, of him hitting that game winner vs the pistons, but i decided against it. i wish i would have now.

[casmith07]

My final thoughts on this one -- I agree with Teddy Atlas: it is high time that boxing had open scoring.

Regardless of the outcome of this fight, and people's feelings on the matter, it's the only sport where the fans watching have absolutely no idea what's going on.

In basketball - you get points for making baskets, and there's a scoreboard.

In football, touchdowns put points on the board.

Boxing should move to something similar. Have judges use an electronic scoring panel where they can hit a button when they add/subtract points during a round. Even wrestling has somewhat open scoring.

And I'm not even speaking toward alleged corruption - it would just make the sport more engaging for fans, in my opinion. And they also need to make undercard fights appear on cable. Pay-Per-View only is a horrible way to draw casual fans.

[Doomsday]

Until boxing unites under one umbrella, has one belt per weight class and has open scoring, I will spend exactly ZERO dollars on PPV events. They can get rich off of some one else, I refuse to fund the corruption.

[Rogah]

I'd say boxing's system of scoring should join us in the 21st century, but actually I'd just be happy if they advanced to the 20th century.