What's wrong with Mark Cuban?

[Doc50]

A recent ESPN poll says he's the most popular owner in the NBA, if not all of sports. So why have all potential free agents this off-season chosen to go elsewhere? Is he the only one planning to operate under the new CBA system, and everyone else is just overspending? That appears to be the case (as always) in the NBA, but I would think there would be some intangibles to playing in Big D, where Cuban's locker room and team jet are an indication of his absolute commitment to his players, and Carlisle is a proven teacher and winner. Word was that anyone would want to play for Mark; now it seems nobody does. Looks like he got caught in the slow lane at TMS while everyone else just blows right by.
He may be the only owner who fully understands the consequences of overspending this year. Let's hope salary cap hell strikes several bloated rosters, and the Mavs will be there with room to sign a few key stars that have to be let go.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

There's already a thread on this subject.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238491

[DFWJC]

Cuban and Donnie Nelson are committed to not handcuffing the franchise for the long-term with dumb contracts. They feel under the new labor agreement many teams are going to get burned badly by paying A-list money for B and C list players....then having to live with it.

That in no way reduces the frustration in Mavs land right now.

The fact that the top FA (DWill) narrowed his list down to two teams and Dallas was one of them says that as much as for Dallas--even though they were runner-up.
They haven't offered big money to anyone else so far.

2012-13 could be a long season for many of us....including Dirk.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree. There will be several teams that get hit hard once this thing comes into full play. I think Cuban is doing a smart thing but he will pay for it this season, more then likely.

I'm certain that this is why the Lakers are trying to sign older players with maybe a few seasons left to short term contracts etc. In 2014, Kobe's contract comes off the books and then we are probably left with a few younger players who can play and a ton of cap to go out and sign FAs with. Kup is pretty smart in that way IMO. Cuban is also playing it smart IMO.

[MichaelWinicki]

The truth is the next couple of seasons for the Mavs are not going to be memorable, but it's much like what the Cowboys had to go through last offseason purging their roster of "dead wood" and the resulting cap hit it caused this year.

It's just something that had to be done.

[baj1dallas]

The truth is the next couple of seasons for the Mavs are not going to be memorable, but it's much like what the Cowboys had to go through last offseason purging their roster of "dead wood" and the resulting cap hit it caused this year.

It's just something that had to be done.

But that's not true. It didn't "have to be done" at all. The Mavs could have signed Chandler. They could have let JJ walk for the big money offer and made whatever ancillary moves they needed to. They could have give Roddy B every shot to fill in Berrea's role. They could have kept Jeremy Lin to backup Kidd and amnestied Brendan Haywood. The fact is there were a ton of things they could have done, but didn't.

For whatever reason they decided that Kidd, Jet, Dirk, Chandler, and the gang didn't have any chance of winning back to back titles, even though they'd just proven that they could beat Miami and OKC. They decided that they needed a glamour name with more cache than Dirk so that they could have their cake and eat it too - they wanted to win with Dirk and then not have to rebuild whatsoever.

But they totally overestimated the draw of playing with Dirk and now they're left in the worse possible situation. Unless they shut Dirk down for the season they won't be bad enough to get the high lottery pick that you need to build a successful team around. They have NO trade assets whatsoever. They don't have the sort of team that attracts free agents. They basically have no shot at successfully rebuilding unless they can trade Dirk which is almost impossible to see happening.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Meh I know Dallas fans are pissed Cuban decided to blow up a championship team, but let's be realistic that team had a slim chance at best to repeat. Giving long term deals to Chandler, Barea, Stevenson etc. would've severly hindered their future. Cuban realized that team had already run it's course, blew it up and took a gamble obviously. It didn't pay off. Oh well. Mavs are in a better position now to rebuild than they would've if they had kept their core intact.

[DFWJC]

Meh I know Dallas fans are pissed Cuban decided to blow up a championship team, but let's be realistic that team had a slim chance at best to repeat. Giving long term deals to Chandler, Barea, Stevenson etc. would've severly hindered their future. Cuban realized that team had already run it's course, blew it up and took a gamble obviously. It didn't pay off. Oh well. Mavs are in a better position now to rebuild than they would've if they had kept their core intact.

Nice job CLF
That sums it up
It sucks for us Mavs fans short term, but I know Mark personally and it never been at all about the money for with the Mavs. It's a huge passion for a die hard hoops fan. Other than his young family, the Mavs are everything to him.
In hind site, I sure would have liked to have kept Chandler. But it's overkill now, he's turned I to Bill Russell in some fans eyes.:bang2:

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Nice job CLF
That sums it up
It sucks for us Mavs fans short term, but I know Mark personally and it never been at all about the money for with the Mavs. It's a huge passion for a die hard hoops fan. Other than his young family, the Mavs are everything to him.
In hind site, I sure would have liked to have kept Chandler. But it's overkill now, he's turned I to Bill Russell in some fans eyes.:bang2:

Yeah it'll be tough in the rebuilding process, but just hang in there. Cuban is as dedicated as any owner in sports imo. It may take 4-5 years, but he'll get Dallas back in contention. In the meantime I think they should consider trading Dirk. He's done so much for the organization that he deserves to play on a contender.

[juck]

Dirk isnt going anywhere. He and Donnie said that today. Dirk is the Grandfather of Dallas sports currently and is engrained in the city.

[MC KAos]

Cuban and Donnie Nelson are committed to not handcuffing the franchise for the long-term with dumb contracts. They feel under the new labor agreement many teams are going to get burned badly by paying A-list money for B and C list players....then having to live with it.

That in no way reduces the frustration in Mavs land right now.

The fact that the top FA (DWill) narrowed his list down to two teams and Dallas was one of them says that as much as for Dallas--even though they were runner-up.
They haven't offered big money to anyone else so far.

2012-13 could be a long season for many of us....including Dirk.

the only reason he was considering them was because it was his hometown team, unless there is an abundance of top free agents that grew up in DFW coming up in the next few years, its gonna be the same thing, top players dont want to sign with the mavs, or the spurs, or most other teams in the nba unless they are getting overpaid or they are old and just want a title

[MC KAos]

Dirk isnt going anywhere. He and Donnie said that today. Dirk is the Grandfather of Dallas sports currently and is engrained in the city.

thats good to hear, i think its special when a player can stay with one franchise his entire career, i think it makes his career that much better.

[jterrell]

Cuban is one of the most hard-headed guys alive.

That can be great or it can be bad.

Right now he is one of a couple of owners that believe they know the CBA's deadly traps starting in 2013. Many others are spitting on the CBA trying to build the best possible teams. Cuban is trying to build the cheapest possible team.

I am fine with Cuban generally but in this case you have ignored the draft for a decade. You can't all of a sudden go cheap. It just doesn't work. This re-build will be long and painful indeed. Even if you get a KD, Westbrook et al in the draft it takes years for those guys to mature into true winning stars.

IMHO Dirk now has zero chance of winning another title. The Mavs should trade him to someone with a legit title shot for a couple future 1sts and be done with it. That's the only class move left. I know everyone if officially saying he wont leave. We'll see how he feels at the trade deadline.

[numnuts23]

Cuban is one of the most hard-headed guys alive.

That can be great or it can be bad.

Right now he is one of a couple of owners that believe they know the CBA's deadly traps starting in 2013. Many others are spitting on the CBA trying to build the best possible teams. Cuban is trying to build the cheapest possible team.

I am fine with Cuban generally but in this case you have ignored the draft for a decade. You can't all of a sudden go cheap. It just doesn't work. This re-build will be long and painful indeed. Even if you get a KD, Westbrook et al in the draft it takes years for those guys to mature into true winning stars.

IMHO Dirk now has zero chance of winning another title. The Mavs should trade him to someone with a legit title shot for a couple future 1sts and be done with it. That's the only class move left. I know everyone if officially saying he wont leave. We'll see how he feels at the trade deadline.

My gut is telling me they have told him be patient this year. They will keep flexibility for next year and go after potential FA like CP3, Howard, Bynum, Harden, Ellis and Curry. If they can't land one next year, then he will likely be traded if he wants.

Looks like this year could be best case

Sessions
Mayo
Marion
Dirk
Brand/Kaman

Worst case

West/roddy
CJ Miles
Marion
Dirk
Haywood

[baj1dallas]

Meh I know Dallas fans are pissed Cuban decided to blow up a championship team, but let's be realistic that team had a slim chance at best to repeat. Giving long term deals to Chandler, Barea, Stevenson etc. would've severly hindered their future. Cuban realized that team had already run it's course, blew it up and took a gamble obviously. It didn't pay off. Oh well. Mavs are in a better position now to rebuild than they would've if they had kept their core intact.

I'm sorry but nobody wants to hear knuckleheaded gloating from frontrunning espn zombies.

Where was it ever written that keeping Chandler meant that the Mavs also had to keep Barea and Stevenson? The only core the Mavs needed was Dirk + Chandler. They could have let Barea and Stevenson walked, signed Delonte West to replace Stevenson, and given Roddy a shot to fill JJ's shoes. They still would have had the option of amnesty-ing Haywood if D-Will was willing to come here and had 3 years left on Dirks contract. After that maybe they have to rebuild for a year on the back end of D-Will's contract, but who cares at that point?

[DFWJC]

the only reason he was considering them was because it was his hometown team, unless there is an abundance of top free agents that grew up in DFW coming up in the next few years, its gonna be the same thing, top players dont want to sign with the mavs, or the spurs, or most other teams in the nba unless they are getting overpaid or they are old and just want a title

Then why was Dallas on Howard's short list too?

[juck]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.

[juck]

thats good to hear, i think its special when a player can stay with one franchise his entire career, i think it makes his career that much better.
Yea and think about the last championshup the DFW had before Dirk did it. Stars in 99 or something? lol Its time for Cowboys to step up.

[Robbieac]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.

:rolleyes:

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.

:lmao2:

[Ren]

I agree. There will be several teams that get hit hard once this thing comes into full play. I think Cuban is doing a smart thing but he will pay for it this season, more then likely.

I'm certain that this is why the Lakers are trying to sign older players with maybe a few seasons left to short term contracts etc. In 2014, Kobe's contract comes off the books and then we are probably left with a few younger players who can play and a ton of cap to go out and sign FAs with. Kup is pretty smart in that way IMO. Cuban is also playing it smart IMO.

Only reason Cuban is being smart is cause he struck out in FA

You need players to get players in the NBA now and the more players the Mavs lose without replacing the less attractive they become as a destination

[MC KAos]

Only reason Cuban is being smart is cause he struck out in FA

You need players to get players in the NBA now and the more players the Mavs lose without replacing the less attractive they become as a destination

i agree, he is being smart by not overreacting and overpaying for someone after he struck out. doesnt make it any less dumb to blow up a championship team

[MC KAos]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.

i think the cowboys can get top free agents as well

[MC KAos]

Then why was Dallas on Howard's short list too?

maybe because the magic or his agent want more teams on it to get leverage? who knows, ill believe it when he either signs there as a free agent or signs an extension after being traded there. being top 2 in a free agent's list and not getting him doesnt make your team any better than not being considered at all

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

i agree, he is being smart by not overreacting and overpaying for someone after he struck out. doesnt make it any less dumb to blow up a championship team

I don't really think it was dumb. Even if they had brought back Chandler I don't think they would've beaten Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Miami, or even the Lakers. Dirk went on an all time great run and they shot the lights out. It just wasn't gonna happen again.

[MC KAos]

I don't really think it was dumb. Even if they had brought back Chandler I don't think they would've beaten Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Miami, or even the Lakers. Dirk went on an all time great run and they shot the lights out. It just wasn't gonna happen again.

the thing about sports is that we dont know what is really going to happen until it does, they were good enough to beat all those teams (minus the spurs) the previous year, i dont see why they wouldnt be able to do it again. he took a sure thing, a top tier contender, and turned it into a 7 seed for a pipe dream, it was a dumb move.

[DFWJC]

maybe because the magic or his agent want more teams on it to get leverage? who knows, ill believe it when he either signs there as a free agent or signs an extension after being traded there. being top 2 in a free agent's list and not getting him doesnt make your team any better than not being considered at all

Sure it does. Being on the short list is always preferable to having no shot at all.

[MC KAos]

Sure it does. Being on the short list is always preferable to having no shot at all.

not really, for instance, the spurs realized a long time ago they have no shot at top free agents, so they focus their energy on scouting, thats how we find good to great players late in the draft or as unheralded free agents.

[juck]

not really, for instance, the spurs realized a long time ago they have no shot at top free agents, so they focus their energy on scouting, thats how we find good to great players late in the draft or as unheralded free agents.
Ill give the Spurs this. They build a team the right way. Minus all the Superteam garbage and ringchasers. OKC did it the right way too.

[juck]

:lmao2:
Besides TO name me a huge FA in last few years. Then again maybe Jerry is doing things the right way instead of blowing money on old vets. Brandon Carr is no superstar but a solid player.

[Robbieac]

Besides TO name me a huge FA in last few years. Then again maybe Jerry is doing things the right way instead of blowing money on old vets. Brandon Carr is no superstar but a solid player.

It's funny how you are slowing trying to morph what you said into something else. You originally stated:
"The Rangers are the only team in the metroplex who get 'good' free agents."

Brandon Carr was the top CB available this year. If getting the #1 CB available doesn't count as getting a "good" free agent then I don't know what is.

Vickers was the best fullback available this year too, but I guess he's not a good free agent either.

[DFWJC]

Just curious...honest question to everyone here;

Beginning this offseason (so last year's Chandler departure aside), what would have been your plans this offseason to best secure the Mavs future in BOTH 2013 and well beyond?

I'd really like to here some ideas while always keep in mind that it is the players choice to sign where they wish when they are FAs.

[Ren]

Just curious...honest question to everyone here;

Beginning this offseason (so last year's Chandler departure aside), what would have been your plans this offseason to best secure the Mavs future in BOTH 2013 and well beyond?

I'd really like to here some ideas while always keep in mind that it is the players choice to sign where they wish when they are FAs.


Dump Haywood and tank, throw and ton of money at CP3 and Howard next offseason if they make it to FA. If that doesn't work trade Dirk and try to rebuild through the draft

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Andrew Bynum said he'll consider signing with Dallas.

[MC KAos]

Besides TO name me a huge FA in last few years. Then again maybe Jerry is doing things the right way instead of blowing money on old vets. Brandon Carr is no superstar but a solid player.

well, we havent signed top tier free agents, but i think for the most part if we really wanted to we could, i still think the dallas cowboys, even with all the sucking we have been doing in the last 15 years, are a top destination, because of tradition and just the fact that we are america's team, the most watched team in football, as our ratings reflect. its the same concept as the packers, free agents want to go there, but because of who they are, you cant assume top free agents want to come to the mavs just because they want to come play for the cowboys in football, just like you cant assume the same about the packers and bucks.

Just curious...honest question to everyone here;

Beginning this offseason (so last year's Chandler departure aside), what would have been your plans this offseason to best secure the Mavs future in BOTH 2013 and well beyond?

I'd really like to here some ideas while always keep in mind that it is the players choice to sign where they wish when they are FAs.

even going back that far, no free agent is going to choose the mavs if they just keep offering everyone a one year deal to chase a pipe dream in free agency. Id say for the mavs, they need to get over this fascination with hitting the lottery in free agency, and build a good team around dirk to give him a chance to compete for the years he has left in his prime. they need to invest more in their scouting department too, i cant think of the last decent draft pick the mavs had, was it the josh howard and marquis daniels draft?

[MC KAos]

Andrew Bynum said he'll consider signing with Dallas.

he'll "consider" anyone with the ability to give him a max deal, but he isnt leaving the lakers unless he gets traded, and i doubt orlando would take him without him signing an extension, so the point is mute.