The Dark Knight Rises *Spoiler Thread*

[Romo 2 Austin]

I figured that many of us want to discuss the movie but don't want to ruin it for others so I decided it would be wise to start a designated spoiler thread. This post will serve as a warning for those that have accidently opened the thread and I will begin my post in the next post.

[Romo 2 Austin]

The best movie I have ever seen.. By a mile. Wow was it awesome.

One question for those that picked up on it - At the end was Bruce with the Catwoman in the cafe or was it just a random girl?

[pjtoadie]

The best movie I have ever seen.. By a mile. Wow was it awesome.

One question for those that picked up on it - At the end was Bruce with the Catwoman in the cafe or was it just a random girl?

It was the Catwoman :)

Great movie! I can't wait to see it again!

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I almost cried when I thought Batman died then they showed him at the end. I know they said thia is the last Batman movie, but judging by the ending I can't imagine it's true. Different actors probably, different director definitely, but I definitely see there being a sequel.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I almost cried when I thought Batman died then they showed him at the end. I know they said thia is the last Batman movie, but judging by the ending I can't imagine it's true. Different actors probably, different director definitely, but I definitely see there being a sequel.

Christian Bale (batman) said he would be in for a sequel. The only person that is not in for a sequel is Christopher Nolan although he would not be against another director taking up the spot of directing the franchise. The money this will make makes me believe that they will make another however the mass shooting adds doubt to my mind, they might decide to let the franchise rest due to that.

If not I predict a Batman & Robin movie followed by a Robin trilogy, that seems the most logical way to follow it up the ending of Rises that would bring us to around 2024 and at that point with Bales aging I could see them wrapping it all up with a Batman Beyond movie, that would make the franchise span 8 movies.

[KoRnyBrad]

The best movie I have ever seen.. By a mile. Wow was it awesome.

One question for those that picked up on it - At the end was Bruce with the Catwoman in the cafe or was it just a random girl?

I asked my wife the same thing because it was a quick side profile shot and you didn't really get to see her face. She said it was. I was more interested if it was going to be Bruce or a random stranger. I could see it going either way.

[StevenOtero]

http://i.imgur.com/r3ek0.jpg

[ChldsPlay]

It was definitely her.

Not sure what I thought of the movie. It was good, but Im not sure how good. It definitely takes a long time setting things up. I think there may be a few things I missed early on, or that weren't explained well (perhaps a deleted scene) nothing all that important though.

[StevenOtero]

As much as I want to see the story continue, I really hope they don't let some director come in and mess up Nolan's work.

[StevenOtero]

Nevermind YouTube took it down.

"This video contains content from Warner Bros. Entertainment, who has blocked it on copyright grounds."

[KoRnyBrad]

http://i.imgur.com/r3ek0.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/r3ek0.jpg)

I still don't think that looks like her..lol

[Teren_Kanan]

Meh. There was a lot I liked about the movie, and a lot I didn't.

It lost some consistency in the middle of the movie.
All the mass rioting fighting stuff was horrible.

Also, while I liked the twist towards the end, I had problems with it as well. Bane going from the boss to the henchman weakened his character a lot for me.

Ending would have been 10000x better if Bats stayed dead.

[KoRnyBrad]

Ending would have been 10000x better if Bats stayed dead.

Then Nolan would be hated..........he can't have that!:lmao2:

[VietCowboy]

1) It is her (I love Anne Hathaway).

2) Did anyone see Hines Ward during the scene where they showed all the football players?

3) The husband knew Miranda Tate was Talia al Ghul b/c of her accent

[KoRnyBrad]

1) It is her (I love Anne Hathaway).

2) Did anyone see Hines Ward during the scene where they showed all the football players?

3) The husband knew Miranda Tate was Talia al Ghul b/c of her accent

1. My wife swore to it to, lol!

2. I knew that was coming, it was hyped long ago. I don't think Ward can run back a kickoff thought lol.

3. I was surprised @ Talia. Didn't see it coming, and I'm a Batman nut!

[Joe Rod]

It was good, but not way up there on my list. As a stand alone movie, I was entertained and certainly came away feeling that my money was well spent, but I would put it at the bottom of the trilogy.

[TheCount]

As much as I want to see the story continue, I really hope they don't let some director come in and mess up Nolan's work.

Agreed. Reboot it sure but leave this series alone

As for Nolan, he's not the only one leaving. He's taking his team with him, as he likes to work with the same people. A continuation wouldn't necessarily just be short Nolan but a lot of the core creative team.

As I've said, this is the best super hero trilogy ever put to film, and the last one is a great example of how you end a series.

[Boom]

Ending would have been 10000x better if Bats stayed dead.

That would have been a perfect ending for me, as well. Or better yet, have Nolan "Inception" everyone again with Alfred looking up at the cafe and the movie cutting to black.

[StevenOtero]

Agreed. Reboot it sure but leave this series alone

As for Nolan, he's not the only one leaving. He's taking his team with him, as he likes to work with the same people. A continuation wouldn't necessarily just be short Nolan but a lot of the core creative team.

As I've said, this is the best super hero trilogy ever put to film, and the last one is a great example of how you end a series.When I say Nolan, I mean Team Nolan without a doubt.

You never know, he may get that itch to do it again down the road.

[Joshmvii]

Meh. There was a lot I liked about the movie, and a lot I didn't.

Also, while I liked the twist towards the end, I had problems with it as well. Bane going from the boss to the henchman weakened his character a lot for me.

Ending would have been 10000x better if Bats stayed dead.

Bane and Talia were partners, he wasn't a henchman. There was a lot that happened in the movie that couldn't happen without him. She was infiltrating Wayne enterprises while he scared people into building bombs under the city, got soldiers loyal enough to him to help him get that doctor out from under the CIA, die for him, etc.

Also, I couldn't disagree more about the ending being better if Batman stayed dead. I get that some people want the "unhappy" ending because it's different, but the ending we got wasn't just a cliche happy ending. It was what the entire trilogy was about, which was Bruce Wayne finally putting behind all the facades he has lived with his entire life(Bruce Wayne the billionaire socialite, and Batman).

Batman did die. Bruce Wayne is just now finally alive and he left Gotham behind. The ending was the perfect ending to this Bruce Wayne's story.

[joseephuss]

Batman did die. Bruce Wayne is just now finally alive and he left Gotham behind. The ending was the perfect ending to this Bruce Wayne's story.

I would say Bruce Wayne the billionaire playboy died as well. Now we are left with just a guy living a somewhat normal life.

[Joshmvii]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Batman died, and he left behind the fake Bruce Wayne facade he had lived his entire adult life. The entire trilogy was about him finding a way to leave gotham behind and still have a reason for which to live.

[Romo 2 Austin]

That would have been a perfect ending for me, as well. Or better yet, have Nolan "Inception" everyone again with Alfred looking up at the cafe and the movie cutting to black.

Oh my that would've been terrible. Once the scene happened where it was said that Bruce Wayne patched it 6 months prior I was like oh no oh no they are going to cut to the cafe and then stop with Alfred looking up.

If they did that I would've hated the movie. That ending works in something like Inception, not in Batman.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Christian Bale (batman) said he would be in for a sequel. The only person that is not in for a sequel is Christopher Nolan although he would not be against another director taking up the spot of directing the franchise. The money this will make makes me believe that they will make another however the mass shooting adds doubt to my mind, they might decide to let the franchise rest due to that.

If not I predict a Batman & Robin movie followed by a Robin trilogy, that seems the most logical way to follow it up the ending of Rises that would bring us to around 2024 and at that point with Bales aging I could see them wrapping it all up with a Batman Beyond movie, that would make the franchise span 8 movies.


Bale has stated that The Dark Knight Rises will be the final film in which he plays Batman


Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Rises)

[Romo 2 Austin]

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Rises)

What a wonderful source, everyone knows that wikipedia is the go to place for accurate information.


http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/movies/articles/2012/05/29/20120529christian-bale-would-love-challenge-batman-4.html

http://nerdapproved.com/movies/christian-bale-wont-rule-out-a-fourth-batman-movie-spoilers/

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

He must of changed his mind

[Romo 2 Austin]

He must of changed his mind

No mate its just wikipedia anyone can edit it and put anything they want. I can go ahead and edit it right now and put up that The Dark Knight Returns is coming in 2015.

[DallasEast]

What a wonderful source, everyone knows that wikipedia is the go to place for accurate information.


http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/movies/articles/2012/05/29/20120529christian-bale-would-love-challenge-batman-4.html

http://nerdapproved.com/movies/christian-bale-wont-rule-out-a-fourth-batman-movie-spoilers/
Nerdapproved.com? :laugh1: Okay.

The AZCentral article speaks to Christain Bale possibly wanting to do another Batman film, but only at the discretion of Christopher Nolan. It also refers Nolan's preference of not making another Batman film.

[Boom]

Once the scene happened where it was said that Bruce Wayne patched it 6 months prior I was like oh no oh no they are going to cut to the cafe and then stop with Alfred looking up.

Once the scene happened where it was said that Bruce Wayne patched it 6 months prior I was like oh no oh no they are going to wrap up the ending in a pretty bow.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Nerdapproved.com? :laugh1: Okay.

The AZCentral article speaks to Christain Bale possibly wanting to do another Batman film, but only at the discretion of Christopher Nolan. It also refers Nolan's preference of not making another Batman film.

There you go R2A.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Nerdapproved.com? :laugh1: Okay.

The AZCentral article speaks to Christain Bale possibly wanting to do another Batman film, but only at the discretion of Christopher Nolan. It also refers Nolan's preference of not making another Batman film.

Those are just the first two results :laugh2:. Both more credible than wikipedia. The point is Bale isn't against another movie, which means regardless of Nolans involvement if enough money is thrown his way he will do it. I don't believe Nolan to be some saint so I believe there is undoubtedly a number that would get him to get involved.

Also since that got me curious-

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nerdapproved.com#trafficstats

for comparison Cowboyszone rank is 198,046. So I take NerdApproved as a credible source.

[DallasEast]

Those are just the first two results :laugh2:. Both more credible than wikipedia. The point is Bale isn't against another movie, which means regardless of Nolans involvement if enough money is thrown his way he will do it. I don't believe Nolan to be some saint so I believe there is undoubtedly a number that would get him to get involved.

Also since that got me curious-

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nerdapproved.com#trafficstats

for comparison Cowboyszone rank is 198,046. So I take NerdApproved as a credible source.
Don't get it twisted. Credibility is subjective. If you're invalidating Wikipedia, that's fine, but don't throw "nerdapproved.com" as an alternative which thumps it. Come on. "Nerdapproved.com." Really? And you're propping its credibility according to its site traffic statistics?

Okay. :laugh2: If you say so. Now the AZCentral has a certain credibility factor which cannot be ignored by anyone. It speaks to Bale's intent, not guarantee, to do another Batman film and why.

Hollywood has been around for decades. Actors and actresses have said the exact same thing about unknown future projects for just as long. Sometimes they hit the jackpot. Sometimes they don't. Anyone can guess what's going to happen, but the likelihood of it actually happening will only strengthen after something more tangible than, "I think I want to do it" occurs. Just my two cents.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Don't get it twisted. Credibility is subjective. If you're invalidating Wikipedia, that's fine, but don't throw "nerdapproved.com" as an alternative which thumps it. Come on. "Nerdapproved.com." Really? And you're propping its credibility according to its site traffic statistics?

Okay. :laugh2: If you say so. Now the AZCentral has a certain credibility factor which cannot be ignored by anyone. It speaks to Bale's intent, not guarantee, to do another Batman film and why.

Hollywood has been around for decades. Actors and actresses have said the exact same thing about unknown future projects for just as long. Sometimes they hit the jackpot. Sometimes they don't. Anyone can guess what's going to happen, but the likelihood of it actually happening will only strengthen after something more tangible than, "I think I want to do it" occurs. Just my two cents.

Well NerdApproved doesn't seem not credible on something such as Batman. :D

Tangible is money, this movie will make over a billion dollars, domestically most likely. Internationally many suspect it will gross another billion. Total around 2billion, although I believe the shootings may pull it back some. The movie after advertising and production came to about 300million that is a return on investment you do not get anywhere, let alone in hollywood where breaking even in the short-run is seen as a win since you turn a profit with tv rights, dvds etc; in the long-run. Even with the shootings it brought in 170m domestically opening weekend.

Bales agents have probably told him to be hesitant but show a willingness to produce a movie so he gets leverage in negotiations. He got $10m per movie in the trilogy plus I believe 5% of profits? (I may have that figure wrong, it might be less as I know he pulled in an extra 32million extra from bonuses on The Dark Knight). I am sure he would love to increase those numbers in future productions.

The thing about hollywood is they never leave money on the table, I mean the only time I can think of where a sequel would've made big bucks and it didn't happen was with Titanic but a sequel to Titanic would've been pretty much impossible.

[DallasEast]

Well NerdApproved doesn't seem not credible on something such as Batman. :D

Tangible is money, this movie will make over a billion dollars, domestically most likely. Internationally many suspect it will gross another billion. Total around 2billion, although I believe the shootings may pull it back some. The movie after advertising and production came to about 300million that is a return on investment you do not get anywhere, let alone in hollywood where breaking even in the short-run is seen as a win since you turn a profit with tv rights, dvds etc; in the long-run. Even with the shootings it brought in 170m domestically opening weekend.

Bales agents have probably told him to be hesitant but show a willingness to produce a movie so he gets leverage in negotiations. He got $10m per movie in the trilogy plus I believe 5% of profits? (I may have that figure wrong, it might be less as I know he pulled in an extra 32million extra from bonuses on The Dark Knight). I am sure he would love to increase those numbers in future productions.

The thing about hollywood is they never leave money on the table, I mean the only time I can think of where a sequel would've made big bucks and it didn't happen was with Titanic but a sequel to Titanic would've been pretty much impossible.You may eventually cash in on the what ifs based on speculation. Good luck. :)

[Romo 2 Austin]

You may eventually cash in on the what ifs based on speculation. Good luck. :)

Well there is no question the movie will pull a massive profit :laugh2:

[Aikmaniac]

My favorite scene was the first fight between Bane and Batman. The intensity there was unparalleled. Batman just looked slow and desperate, but was not afraid and didn't back down until his...back went down.

[EMMITTnROY]

Here are the reasons why I thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was lame. I'm not just blindly hating it. Hey, I gave "Batman Begins" an 8/10 and "The Dark Knight" a 9/10. But this one I had soooo many issues with. The Nolan-directed Batman movies are supposed to be the "realistic" superhero movies, yet I found myself having to suspend my disbelief over and over and over again.

1. Bruce Wayne has a broken back, with a vertebrae even sticking out... and he is healed by some guy punching him in the back? A couple months later he is climbing up walls and making impossible jumps?

2. Speaking of jumps, how incredibly cheesy and coincidental that all those bats flew by just as he was about to "Rise" out of that prison.

3. So you're telling me that a little girl makes that jump when no grown men can? And the reason is cause she had the willpower? Ridiculous.

4. So this is the most impossible prison ever to escape... yet they readily provide you rope to help you try to climb out of? And there's no security at the top of the hole if you do escape?

5. If you have all that rope readily available, why are these prisoners not repeatedly trying to make that jump over and over and over? Why wait to do it once every few months?

6. So Talia hated her dad- but for some reason, she wanted to complete his work?

7. Hated the coincidence of Gordon putting the deactivator or whatever it was in place one instant before she hits the trigger.

8. Hated the coincidence of Selina showing up right in time to shoot Bane right as he was about to kill Batman.

9. Hated the coincidence of Selina and Bruce Wayne just happening to show up at same place, same time, just in time to save a thief kid from getting beat up.

10. So Batman and Bane are are humans, yet are breaking columns with their punches?

11. So Batman is a human, yet he’s kicking a brick wall and breaking it with a hobbled leg?

12. So Batman took the time to make a design a HUGE bat out of fire when the city is on a time crunch to get blown up?

13. How come Gordon, Batman and friends could walk on that breaking ice and have a whole freaking casual conversation there?

14. So Batman, a human, can now apparently dodge machine gun bullets at close range, in the dark?

15. So Bruce Wayne and Batman, the two most visible and famous Gotham citizens, both disappeared at the exact same time eight years ago, and both reappear at the exact same time eight years later... and nobody puts this together?

16. So Bruce left Gotham to train for many years… then he came back... then he was gone for 8 years… then he is in a prison for several months... then he retires as Batman... so how long was he actually Batman? A year or two? Isn't Bruce Wayne is supposed to be in his 30s?

17. I thought this was a Batman movie.. how come we hardly saw any Batman at all?

18. Why the heck was Talia/Bane waiting months to detonate the bomb? What was the point? If she really wanted to kill all of them, why not just do it?

19. They show a shot of Bruce Wayne’s pictures of dead parents and dead girlfriend… then is asked out of nowhere at that exact moment, “where is Alfred?” to which he replies “he’s gone”... all heavy handedly hammer the point home that he’s alone now and to try to manipulate sympathy from the audience.

20. And as he’s looking sadly at his dead girlfriend's picture, he starts passionately kissing this woman he just met out of nowhere… and they have sex.

21. And by the end of the movie, he has hooked up with a completely different woman and spends his life with her… someone who was a thief the entire movie.

22. The disposition about Clean Slate was hilarious— a character totally explaining what it is in an unbelievable way so the audience knows what it is. "Clean Slate?? You mean the bla bla bla that bla bla bla??" with a gun to his head to a person who already knows what it is, why else would she want it?

23. I couldn’t understand half of what Bayne said.

24. Why did Alfred have to leave? He was concerned, and made up a lie (or was it?) about his Rachel, cause he knew that would make Bruce kick him out? Even though he’s cared for him forever? And Bruce knew he was doing it to protect him, and yet he was still forced to leave? None of this made sense.

25. So only 4 people showed up at the city's most famous citizen’s funeral?

26. I thought the bomb killed anything within a 6 mile radius? The city probably wasn’t six miles away when it exploded. And Batman, even if he put the thing on autopilot, most certainly wasn't 6 miles away.

27. On top of Bale's Batman voice being grating, he wouldn't ever close his mouth any time he was Batman. Also grating on the nerves.

28. Why the heck did Bane or Talia give a crap about Gotham? Neither of them are from there. Why is it so important to blow it up and make its citizens pay? If it's revenge on Batman, why, because he killed Talia's dad... the same person she hates and who Bane hates for excommunicating him? On that note, why is Bane so loyal to a organization that kicked him out?

29. How come Bruce Wayne gets his power cut off the same night he loses his money? Was he already a month behind on his electric bill at this point? No.

30. How did Bruce Wayne come up with the Clean Slate program?

31. So when Batman is surrounded on the bridge, there is just conveniently one of those car carrying trucks there that he just happens to fire perfectly at for the ramp to fall down so he can conveniently drive up to the fortunately placed streets.

32. How come Bruce Wayne can barely walk with a cane, yet he can dance like Fred Astaire without one?

33. How did Bruce make it back to Gotham from the prison? He has no money, and all the bridges into Gotham were collapsed.

[joseephuss]

There will be more movies made whether Bale/Nolan have any involvment in them or not. They would prefer to keep those guys around, but studio execs want to make money and a Batman, Robin or Nightwing movie can make some money. Even a less than stellar Batman type movie can pull in some cash although probably at a lesser profit margin.

You don't even have to guarantee that a movie will bring in money. Execs can be fooled into thinking they will have a hit or franchise in the making, which is how you end up with John Carter or Catwoman.

I do think there will be more movies that revolve around Batman that are made down the line. It is just a matter of time.

[DallasEast]

There will be more movies made whether Bale/Nolan have any involvment in them or not. They would prefer to keep those guys around, but studio execs want to make money and a Batman, Robin or Nightwing movie can make some money. Even a less than stellar Batman type movie can pull in some cash although probably at a lesser profit margin.

You don't even have to guarantee that a movie will bring in money. Execs can be fooled into thinking they will have a hit or franchise in the making, which is how you end up with John Carter or Catwoman.

I do think there will be more movies that revolve around Batman that are made down the line. It is just a matter of time.
Bold-->Without question. What is questionable in the foreseeable future is whether Christain Bale will reprise his role later.

[Aikmaniac]

EmmittnRoy, I have to say, your post was entertaining.

[EMMITTnROY]

EmmittnRoy, I have to say, your post was entertaining.Hey, thanks! Glad you enjoyed. :D

You agree with most of it?

[Aikmaniac]

Hey, thanks! Glad you enjoyed. :D

You agree with most of it?

Yeah, but it's a movie. The movie is about a guy in a bat costume taking out bad guys.

I enjoyed it.

I laughed because most of your points were true.

[joseephuss]

Yeah, but it's a movie. The movie is about a guy in a bat costume taking out bad guys.

I enjoyed it.

I laughed because most of your points were true.

The movie is about a billionaire who is not a nerd, but rather a guy who is athletic enough to beat up bad guys. You have to supsend reality because Bill Gates isn't capable of doing that.

[DallasEast]

Here are the reasons why I thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was lame. I'm not just blindly hating it. Hey, I gave "Batman Begins" an 8/10 and "The Dark Knight" a 9/10. But this one I had soooo many issues with. The Nolan-directed Batman movies are supposed to be the "realistic" superhero movies, yet I found myself having to suspend my disbelief over and over and over again.

1. Bruce Wayne has a broken back, with a vertebrae even sticking out... and he is healed by some guy punching him in the back? A couple months later he is climbing up walls and making impossible jumps? Comic book story which needed the recovery to fit the countdown of the bomb.

2. Speaking of jumps, how incredibly cheesy and coincidental that all those bats flew by just as he was about to "Rise" out of that prison. You never know where those crazy nocturnal creatures are going to pop up.

3. So you're telling me that a little girl makes that jump when no grown men can? And the reason is cause she had the willpower? Ridiculous. She was more aerodynamic.

4. So this is the most impossible prison ever to escape... yet they readily provide you rope to help you try to climb out of? And there's no security at the top of the hole if you do escape? Those old world prisons have inflated reputations. Rope is cheap on the prison black market. They don't pay security guards enough to stand around in those kind of conditions at the hole's exit all day.

5. If you have all that rope readily available, why are these prisoners not repeatedly trying to make that jump over and over and over? Why wait to do it once every few months? They are very hesitant about recovering from back injuries sustained from rope snapping after dropping. They know there is a good chance that creepy semi-blind guy will come sit next to them while they get better.

6. So Talia hated her dad- but for some reason, she wanted to complete his work? Assassins are single-minded.

7. Hated the coincidence of Gordon putting the deactivator or whatever it was in place one instant before she hits the trigger. There's nothing like coincidences.

8. Hated the coincidence of Selina showing up right in time to shoot Bane right as he was about to kill Batman.
Bane had it coming.
9. Hated the coincidence of Selina and Bruce Wayne just happening to show up at same place, same time, just in time to save a thief kid from getting beat up. Their iPhone GPS's were synchronized.

10. So Batman and Bane are are humans, yet are breaking columns with their punches? Dr. Banner secretly injected them with a gamma ray serum.

11. So Batman is a human, yet he’s kicking a brick wall and breaking it with a hobbled leg? Cybornetic (sp?) leg support.

12. So Batman took the time to make a design a HUGE bat out of fire when the city is on a time crunch to get blown up? Batplane. Lighter fluid. Pressured liquid spraying system. Shazam.

13. How come Gordon, Batman and friends could walk on that breaking ice and have a whole freaking casual conversation there? They are the epitome of cool customers.

14. So Batman, a human, can now apparently dodge machine gun bullets at close range, in the dark? Neo was very envious.

15. So Bruce Wayne and Batman, the two most visible and famous Gotham citizens, both disappeared at the exact same time eight years ago, and both reappear at the exact same time eight years later... and nobody puts this together? Lois Lane works in Metropolis, not Gotham City.

16. So Bruce left Gotham to train for many years… then he came back... then he was gone for 8 years… then he is in a prison for several months... then he retires as Batman... so how long was he actually Batman? A year or two? Isn't Bruce Wayne is supposed to be in his 30s? Alfred told Wayne for years it was a simple hot tub, but it was really Ra's al ghud's fountain of youth.

17. I thought this was a Batman movie.. how come we hardly saw any Batman at all? Adam West kept kidnapping Bale from the movie set at very inopportune moments. He's still very disgruntled about not reprising the role.

18. Why the heck was Talia/Bane waiting months to detonate the bomb? What was the point? If she really wanted to kill all of them, why not just do it? They're sadists. Who knew?

19. They show a shot of Bruce Wayne’s pictures of dead parents and dead girlfriend… then is asked out of nowhere at that exact moment, “where is Alfred?” to which he replies “he’s gone”... all heavy handedly hammer the point home that he’s alone now and to try to manipulate sympathy from the audience. Nolan wanted to insert an "awwww" into audio, but they couldn't fit the expense for the sound effect into the movie's budget.

20. And as he’s looking sadly at his dead girlfriend's picture, he starts passionately kissing this woman he just met out of nowhere… and they have sex. Assassins have sex appeal that's out of this world.

21. And by the end of the movie, he has hooked up with a completely different woman and spends his life with her… someone who was a thief the entire movie. Selina stole Wayne's heart.

22. The disposition about Clean Slate was hilarious— a character totally explaining what it is in an unbelievable way so the audience knows what it is. "Clean Slate?? You mean the bla bla bla that bla bla bla??" with a gun to his head to a person who already knows what it is, why else would she want it? She was desperate to escape from her Single White Female thief friend.

23. I couldn’t understand half of what Bayne said. Coincidentally, other moviegoers had difficult understanding Bane too.

24. Why did Alfred have to leave? He was concerned, and made up a lie (or was it?) about his Rachel, cause he knew that would make Bruce kick him out? Even though he’s cared for him forever? And Bruce knew he was doing it to protect him, and yet he was still forced to leave? None of this made sense. Butlers. Can't live them. Can't live without them.

25. So only 4 people showed up at the city's most famous citizen’s funeral? The city elite blacklisted Wayne after he threw them out of the mansion in Batman Begins. The power of Facebook.

26. I thought the bomb killed anything within a 6 mile radius? The city probably wasn’t six miles away when it exploded. And Batman, even if he put the thing on autopilot, most certainly wasn't 6 miles away. The bomb was dropped below the surface of Gotham Bay moments before detonation. Comic book physics can explain about the details of the blast.

27. On top of Bale's Batman voice being grating, he wouldn't ever close his mouth any time he was Batman. Also grating on the nerves. Bale had a no-throat lozenge contract written into his contract. Nolan was not pleased.

28. Why the heck did Bane or Talia give a crap about Gotham? Neither of them are from there. Why is it so important to blow it up and make its citizens pay? If it's revenge on Batman, why, because he killed Talia's dad... the same person she hates and who Bane hates for excommunicating him? On that note, why is Bane so loyal to a organization that kicked him out? The Gotham City Convention Center rejected the League Of Assassin's request to host them one time too many. Assassins care about the people they kill. The League held the warranty on Bane's respirator. They're very sadistic.

29. How come Bruce Wayne gets his power cut off the same night he loses his money? Was he already a month behind on his electric bill at this point? No. It's not Mr. Burns fault. Homer did it.

30. How did Bruce Wayne come up with the Clean Slate program? He stole it from Tony Stark. Billionaires. They may be rich, but they suck at keeping their own stuff.

31. So when Batman is surrounded on the bridge, there is just conveniently one of those car carrying trucks there that he just happens to fire perfectly at for the ramp to fall down so he can conveniently drive up to the fortunately placed streets. Truck drivers are always minding their own business when thirty patrol cars show up out of the blue and create instant gridiron traffic. They should sue.

32. How come Bruce Wayne can barely walk with a cane, yet he can dance like Fred Astaire without one? Steriod injections. Straight into the knees. Nolan edited out all the cursing when the needles went in.

33. How did Bruce make it back to Gotham from the prison? He has no money, and all the bridges into Gotham were collapsed.Ethan Hunt owed him big time. Best travel agent in the world.

[KoRnyBrad]

Nice EMMITTnROY and DallasEast. Good points Emmitt and great responses Dallas.:lmao2::clap:

[Joshmvii]

Nolan said he's done with the movies after this one. Chris Nolan has way too much money already for anybody to be able to convince him to make another Batman movie just with a boat of cash.

I love his trilogy, but I personally hope he gets back to originals, because Memento and Inception are both great films, and he does movies a bit differently than any other director out there. He's one of my favorite directors/writers, with PT Anderson.

I hope he keeps working with Tom Hardy, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, and Marion Cotillard, because they were all good in Inception and DKR.

Total side note: But anybody who wants to see more of Tom Hardy who played Bane, if you have Netflix instant streaming, watch Bronson. Hardy puts in a show in that movie.

Edit: side note, but wikipedia for people like Christian Bale or anything that isn't super minor is far more accurate than you'd think. Go try to edit Christian Bale's wiki page to have some crazy statement on it, and see how long it lasts. The answer will be not long at all.

[StevenOtero]

The 2nd time I saw TDKR it kind of makes sense as to why Miranda has sex w/ Bruce.

She made him just that much weaker before his 1st fight w/ Bane.

[a_minimalist]

just watched it.

am i the only one who thought the ending where they show bruce wayne could be seen as alfred just seeing things? he did say earlier while bruce wayne was gone training he would go there and see him there with a family, yet it wasn't him. i thought nolan left it up in the air and it could go both ways, he lived or died.

[Joshmvii]

I think you're on your own with that. Alfred said he always imagined him, but it wouldn't be him, and they showed him there and showed the guy turn his head and it was of course not Bruce, earlier in the movie.

It would make no sense whatsoever for them to end it with him hallucinating him, after they made it clear Bruce had fixed the auto pilot and all that.

If Nolan wanted it to end with mystery he would've Inception'ed us and ended it with Alfred looking up and smiling and then cutting to credits. No way did he show Bruce there with Selina but it's a hallucination. Chris Nolan is faaaaar too good a screenwriter for that kind of bizarro shenanigan.

[a_minimalist]

It would make no sense whatsoever for them to end it with him hallucinating him, after they made it clear Bruce had fixed the auto pilot and all that.

Good point, for some reason I thought they disabled the auto-pilot. If what you said is true then I'm definitely on my own but making my way back toward the rest of you.

[TheCount]

just watched it.

am i the only one who thought the ending where they show bruce wayne could be seen as alfred just seeing things? he did say earlier while bruce wayne was gone training he would go there and see him there with a family, yet it wasn't him. i thought nolan left it up in the air and it could go both ways, he lived or died.

I hadn't thought of that... maybe that might be the case in Inception but I took this ending literally.


EMMITTnROY's complaints boil down to one complaint, he didn't find it believable. That's one complaint, not 33. I just find it funny that you waited till this one to refuse to believe elements of the story that have been there the entire series.

[a_minimalist]

I hadn't thought of that... maybe that might be the case in Inception but I took this ending literally.

Yeah, it seems like that's how it should be interpreted.

[EMMITTnROY]

Aikmaniac, haha, yeah I know it. I guess my problem stems from the fact that fans say that these are kind of above the level of most comic book movies. Like these are realistic, real-world crime epics, and kind of point their noses down at movies like Spider-Man and The Avengers. So if you are going to hold yourself to a higher standard, then I have to judge it that way.

DallasEast, hahahahaha!! Well played, good sir. Well played. I laughed out loud. :D

TheCount, yeah, I just didn't find it believable. I don't know, this time there were just too many unbelievable things. Maybe I'm not remembering Batman Begins and The Dark Knight well enough, but I don't remember having to suspend my disbelief so often with those two.

[Hoofbite]

Meh. There was a lot I liked about the movie, and a lot I didn't.

It lost some consistency in the middle of the movie.
All the mass rioting fighting stuff was horrible.

Also, while I liked the twist towards the end, I had problems with it as well. Bane going from the boss to the henchman weakened his character a lot for me.

Ending would have been 10000x better if Bats stayed dead.

I think it would have made the story completely pointless.

The guy fights through hell on earth for 3 entire movies and it's an "autopilot" feature that is his undoing?

Talk about taking a bit fat poop on a nice delicious filet mignon.

[Hoofbite]

Are people really going to the movies for a dose of reality?

Please tell me nobody goes to the movies looking for a glimpse of the real world.

[joseephuss]

Nolan said he's done with the movies after this one. Chris Nolan has way too much money already for anybody to be able to convince him to make another Batman movie just with a boat of cash.



That could all change if he ever goes through a divorce. :laugh1:

[Aikmaniac]

I guess the question is...was Batman in The Bat which took the bomb out to sea or was he in a spare flying off somewhere else?

[Joe Rod]

Could be that Alfred was on roofies and hallucinating when he saw Wayne.

[TheCount]

Could be that Alfred was on roofies and hallucinating when he saw Wayne.

I don't think that makes sense in light of Lucious finding out the autopilot was fixed months prior.

[Romo 2 Austin]

just watched it.

am i the only one who thought the ending where they show bruce wayne could be seen as alfred just seeing things? he did say earlier while bruce wayne was gone training he would go there and see him there with a family, yet it wasn't him. i thought nolan left it up in the air and it could go both ways, he lived or died.
That theory could be debunked due to the fact he would have little to no inclination that Wayne would eventually come to date catwoman and even deeper during his earlier fantasy the male was sitting back towards him while in the reality Wayne was looking at him.

[Joe Rod]

I don't think that makes sense in light of Lucious finding out the autopilot was fixed months prior.

It would if they had the same dealer :p:

[DallasEast]

My inner comic book nerd finds it humorous that nonfans do not know of Bruce Wayne's romantic relationships with Talia al ghul and Selina Kyle.

*narf! snort!*

[StevenOtero]

My inner comic book nerd finds it humorous that nonfans do not know of Bruce Wayne's romantic relationships with Talia al ghul and Selina Kyle.

*narf! snort!*:D So true

[Joshmvii]

Good point, for some reason I thought they disabled the auto-pilot. If what you said is true then I'm definitely on my own but making my way back toward the rest of you.

Earlier in the movie they said the auto pilot was broken, so that was what we knew. Fox said something like he didn't have time to fix it, but Bruce could fix it. At that point, that was all we heard.

Then, after we presumed Batman to have sacrificed himself, the engineer or whomever told Fox that the auto pilot had been fixed 6 months earlier, and the change log said Bruce Wayne is the one who fixed it. That's when we realize he wasn't actually in there with the bomb.

[a_minimalist]

Earlier in the movie they said the auto pilot was broken, so that was what we knew. Fox said something like he didn't have time to fix it, but Bruce could fix it. At that point, that was all we heard.

Then, after we presumed Batman to have sacrificed himself, the engineer or whomever told Fox that the auto pilot had been fixed 6 months earlier, and the change log said Bruce Wayne is the one who fixed it. That's when we realize he wasn't actually in there with the bomb.

Ahh, I completely missed that. Thanks!

[KoRnyBrad]

just watched it.

am i the only one who thought the ending where they show bruce wayne could be seen as alfred just seeing things? he did say earlier while bruce wayne was gone training he would go there and see him there with a family, yet it wasn't him. i thought nolan left it up in the air and it could go both ways, he lived or died.

I thought the same thing.......

[KoRnyBrad]

Could be that Alfred was on roofies and hallucinating when he saw Wayne.

Maybe Alan from The Hangover served his drink? :laugh2:

[StevenOtero]

http://www.modernmythmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/hr_The_Dark_Knight_Rises_271-e1343097065556.jpg

This is it! The episode we’ve been waiting to record since we started the MMM Podcast is finally here, as The Lady & The Gentlemen roundtable “The Dark Knight Rises.” Expectations have been stratospheric ever since Christopher Nolan promised to deliver an ending to “The Dark Knight Trilogy.” Now it’s time to discuss whether or not the final installment really served as a fitting end to Bruce Wayne’s legendary story.

This episode is dedicated to all those affected by the tragedy that unfolded in Aurora, Colorado.

Download the show HERE (http://traffic.libsyn.com/mmmpodcast/Episode_80_MMM_Podcast.mp3).

http://www.modernmythmedia.com/2012/07/mmm-podcast-episode-80-the-dark-knight-rises-roundtable/

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

My inner comic book nerd finds it humorous that nonfans do not know of Bruce Wayne's romantic relationships with Talia al ghul and Selina Kyle.

*narf! snort!*
I found out from the games. Never read the comic books.

[Rynie]

I'm sorry, but the villain in this movie looks cheesy as hell. Looks retarded to me.

[StevenOtero]

I'm sorry, but the villain in this movie looks cheesy as hell. Looks retarded to me.http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/S_5IHGcf5II/AAAAAAABSjk/9PsNThMctCM/s1600/Haters_Gonna_Hate_03.jpg

[EMMITTnROY]

You should all go check out my "The Dark Knight Rises" review on my blog to bump up my view count... :p: plus, I'm an actual paid critic now! Woot!!

http://grabbagok.com/2012/07/24/thedarkknightrisesandfalls/

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Call me crazy, but Bane > Joker.

[a_minimalist]

Call me crazy, but Bane > Joker.

I agree with you and I don't just mean the character in general. I mean the acting by Tom Hardy.

[StevenOtero]

Both Hardy and Ledger did masterful jobs, I have to give Ledger the nod over Hardy just due to the fact that you couldn't even recognize him. He transformed into the Joker. ...as did Hardy w/ Bane.

You just can't compare Bane and Joker. They are two different characters by far.

Bane isn't Joker and that's a good thing!

Joker isn't Bane and that's a good thing too :D

Gonna go see it for a 3rd time tonight, woooo!!!

[a_minimalist]

my cousin made a good point the other day how if heath ledger didn't the joker probably would have had a large part in rises. it's a shame he did. how awesome would it have been to see joker AND bane.

[TheCount]

my cousin made a good point the other day how if heath ledger didn't the joker probably would have had a large part in rises. it's a shame he did. how awesome would it have been to see joker AND bane.

I don't think he would have had a "large" part in the third movie. I could easily see him being the judge instead of Scarecrow though.

I don't think it would have been as much fun for Nolan to basically do the same movie again for the finale.

I was just annoyed that there was no joker reference at all, it didn't make sense for the story that everyone would have just completely forgotten about him.

[a_minimalist]

I don't think he would have had a "large" part in the third movie. I could easily see him being the judge instead of Scarecrow though.

I don't think it would have been as much fun for Nolan to basically do the same movie again for the finale.

I was just annoyed that there was no joker reference at all, it didn't make sense for the story that everyone would have just completely forgotten about him.

Not as big as bane but definitely much bigger than scarecrow especially with how much people fell in love with the performance. It's silly to debate though since we'll never know.

I was looking for the Joker reference and was slightly disappointed I didn't hear anything about him. Easy to get over though, but I hear you.

[StevenOtero]

Well, if you were following the news around the movie...you would have known that Nolan himself came out and said there would be no reference to the Joker.

Saw it for the 3rd time tonight, what a great film.

The haters can hate all they want, I could care less. Art is subjective.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Gonna go see it for the second time tommorow with my big brother and his girlfriend who haven't seen it yet. Also gonna see Spiderman again.

[TheCount]

Well, if you were following the news around the movie...you would have known that Nolan himself came out and said there would be no reference to the Joker.

Yeah, which is why I was annoyed. Why he couldn't trust himself to do a tasteful reference, I don't know. It's not like every future batman movie will just ignore Joker, he's going to be part of the story again sooner or later. It's not like Nolan can retire the character from film forever.

[StevenOtero]

Yeah, which is why I was annoyed. Why he couldn't trust himself to do a tasteful reference, I don't know. It's not like every future batman movie will just ignore Joker, he's going to be part of the story again sooner or later. It's not like Nolan can retire the character from film forever.Yep, I didn't get it either....I would have seen it as a tribute to Heath if he had some kind of reference to the Joker. Hell, Nolan could have come out before the movie and said as a tribute to Heath there will be some form of reference.

Either way, it's not that big of an issue with me.

[Joshmvii]

I believe Nolan said his canon was that the joker was fast tracked to execution in prison after TDK, and considering how much time has passed before TDKR, there would be no reason for anybody to mention him.

[StevenOtero]

My top two moments from the film:

When Bruce finally makes it out of the pit, so many emotions at once there.

When Batman reveals his identity to Gordon. That brought everything full circle and the emotions just rushed through me.

I like to think my Dad was able to watch this film with me. He would have loved this movie so much.

He was a huge Superman film, and he passed away the week of the Smallville Series Finale. He was looking forward to that for years, and he never got to see it. ...but as I said before...I like to think he was able to watch. :(

[StevenOtero]

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RISES Review by Mark Hughes (7/18/12) (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2012/07/18/review-the-dark-knight-rises-delivers-perfect-end-to-batman-legend/)

RISES Review by Sean Gerber (7/19/12) (http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_review_bySGerber_7-19-12.html)

RISES Review by JoAnne Hyde (7/19/12) (http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_review_byJAHyde_7-19-12.html)

RISES Review by Gregg Bray (7/20/12) (http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_review_byGBray_7-20-12.html)

RISES Review by Mark Reinhart (7/20/12) (http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_review_byMReinhart_7-20-12.html)

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

My top two moments from the film:

When Bruce finally makes it out of the pit, so many emotions at once there.

When Batman reveals his identity to Gordon. That brought everything full circle and the emotions just rushed through me.

I like to think my Dad was able to watch this film with me. He would have loved this movie so much.

He was a huge Superman film, and he passed away the week of the Smallville Series Finale. He was looking forward to that for years, and he never got to see it. ...but as I said before...I like to think he was able to watch. :(

Sorry for your loss man I'm very fortanate to be able say I got to watch TDKR with my pops.

Anyways these are my top five moments.

1. At the end when Alfred sees Bruce with his wife. Something he had been dreaming up for a long time.

2. When Bruce wills his way out of the pit. He had tried several times and failed. He could've just said **** it and stopped trying, but he kept trying and trying and he finally made it out. He knew he had to save to city of Gotham

3. Batman saves the city of Gotham by detotanting the bomb over ocean. Not gonna lie I almost cried after this because I thought he died.

4. Batman reveals his true identity to Commissioner Gordon. These two guys were basically best of friends without Gordon knowing the Bat's true identity.

5. Bane beats up Batman and then Batman asks him why didn't you just kill me? Bane responds by saying your punishment must be more severe.

There was so many great moments in this movie.

[BraveHeartFan]

Just saw this tonight and I was very pleased. I really enjoyed the movie, loved the ending, and definately thought it lived up to the hype and the wait.

Now being as that I'm a HUGE Joker mark I'm simply not able to put this movie over The Dark Knight but it was definately good.

I thought Hardy did a good job for what they had him doing with Bane but I wasn't as pleased with Bane as many seem to be. It was good but it wasn't great in terms of the character. Just my opinion though.

Definately liked the movie and I'll definately be watching many, many, many times in the future.

Just not at the theatre.

To expensive.

[VietCowboy]

Just saw this tonight and I was very pleased. I really enjoyed the movie, loved the ending, and definately thought it lived up to the hype and the wait.

Now being as that I'm a HUGE Joker mark I'm simply not able to put this movie over The Dark Knight but it was definately good.

I thought Hardy did a good job for what they had him doing with Bane but I wasn't as pleased with Bane as many seem to be. It was good but it wasn't great in terms of the character. Just my opinion though.

Definately liked the movie and I'll definately be watching many, many, many times in the future.

Just not at the theatre.

To expensive.

That's why I love my local theater (Starplex). It's $4.50 all day every day (for a student, child, or senior) for any movie they are showing. comes out to $11.50 for two student tickets, and $2.50 for bucket of popcorn. I love movie night! :)

[CashMan]

Just saw this tonight and I was very pleased. I really enjoyed the movie, loved the ending, and definately thought it lived up to the hype and the wait.

Now being as that I'm a HUGE Joker mark I'm simply not able to put this movie over The Dark Knight but it was definately good.

I thought Hardy did a good job for what they had him doing with Bane but I wasn't as pleased with Bane as many seem to be. It was good but it wasn't great in terms of the character. Just my opinion though.

Definately liked the movie and I'll definately be watching many, many, many times in the future.

Just not at the theatre.

To expensive.


I think Tom Hardy is a really good actor. The part about Bane I did not like, you could not read his expressions because of the mask, but the voice made up for it times 10!

[StevenOtero]

I think Tom Hardy is a really good actor. The part about Bane I did not like, you could not read his expressions because of the mask, but the voice made up for it times 10!It's all in his eyes, which makes it even better in my opinion.

[Joshmvii]

Hardy did a phenomenal job just with eyes and body language, which makes it all the more impressive. If you really want to see Hardy put on a clinic, watch Bronson. It's on netflix instant streaming.

[stasheroo]

Here are the reasons why I thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was lame. I'm not just blindly hating it. Hey, I gave "Batman Begins" an 8/10 and "The Dark Knight" a 9/10. But this one I had soooo many issues with. The Nolan-directed Batman movies are supposed to be the "realistic" superhero movies, yet I found myself having to suspend my disbelief over and over and over again.

1. Bruce Wayne has a broken back, with a vertebrae even sticking out... and he is healed by some guy punching him in the back? A couple months later he is climbing up walls and making impossible jumps?

2. Speaking of jumps, how incredibly cheesy and coincidental that all those bats flew by just as he was about to "Rise" out of that prison.

3. So you're telling me that a little girl makes that jump when no grown men can? And the reason is cause she had the willpower? Ridiculous.

4. So this is the most impossible prison ever to escape... yet they readily provide you rope to help you try to climb out of? And there's no security at the top of the hole if you do escape?

5. If you have all that rope readily available, why are these prisoners not repeatedly trying to make that jump over and over and over? Why wait to do it once every few months?

6. So Talia hated her dad- but for some reason, she wanted to complete his work?

7. Hated the coincidence of Gordon putting the deactivator or whatever it was in place one instant before she hits the trigger.

8. Hated the coincidence of Selina showing up right in time to shoot Bane right as he was about to kill Batman.

9. Hated the coincidence of Selina and Bruce Wayne just happening to show up at same place, same time, just in time to save a thief kid from getting beat up.

10. So Batman and Bane are are humans, yet are breaking columns with their punches?

11. So Batman is a human, yet he’s kicking a brick wall and breaking it with a hobbled leg?

12. So Batman took the time to make a design a HUGE bat out of fire when the city is on a time crunch to get blown up?

13. How come Gordon, Batman and friends could walk on that breaking ice and have a whole freaking casual conversation there?

14. So Batman, a human, can now apparently dodge machine gun bullets at close range, in the dark?

15. So Bruce Wayne and Batman, the two most visible and famous Gotham citizens, both disappeared at the exact same time eight years ago, and both reappear at the exact same time eight years later... and nobody puts this together?

16. So Bruce left Gotham to train for many years… then he came back... then he was gone for 8 years… then he is in a prison for several months... then he retires as Batman... so how long was he actually Batman? A year or two? Isn't Bruce Wayne is supposed to be in his 30s?

17. I thought this was a Batman movie.. how come we hardly saw any Batman at all?

18. Why the heck was Talia/Bane waiting months to detonate the bomb? What was the point? If she really wanted to kill all of them, why not just do it?

19. They show a shot of Bruce Wayne’s pictures of dead parents and dead girlfriend… then is asked out of nowhere at that exact moment, “where is Alfred?” to which he replies “he’s gone”... all heavy handedly hammer the point home that he’s alone now and to try to manipulate sympathy from the audience.

20. And as he’s looking sadly at his dead girlfriend's picture, he starts passionately kissing this woman he just met out of nowhere… and they have sex.

21. And by the end of the movie, he has hooked up with a completely different woman and spends his life with her… someone who was a thief the entire movie.

22. The disposition about Clean Slate was hilarious— a character totally explaining what it is in an unbelievable way so the audience knows what it is. "Clean Slate?? You mean the bla bla bla that bla bla bla??" with a gun to his head to a person who already knows what it is, why else would she want it?

23. I couldn’t understand half of what Bayne said.

24. Why did Alfred have to leave? He was concerned, and made up a lie (or was it?) about his Rachel, cause he knew that would make Bruce kick him out? Even though he’s cared for him forever? And Bruce knew he was doing it to protect him, and yet he was still forced to leave? None of this made sense.

25. So only 4 people showed up at the city's most famous citizen’s funeral?

26. I thought the bomb killed anything within a 6 mile radius? The city probably wasn’t six miles away when it exploded. And Batman, even if he put the thing on autopilot, most certainly wasn't 6 miles away.

27. On top of Bale's Batman voice being grating, he wouldn't ever close his mouth any time he was Batman. Also grating on the nerves.

28. Why the heck did Bane or Talia give a crap about Gotham? Neither of them are from there. Why is it so important to blow it up and make its citizens pay? If it's revenge on Batman, why, because he killed Talia's dad... the same person she hates and who Bane hates for excommunicating him? On that note, why is Bane so loyal to a organization that kicked him out?

29. How come Bruce Wayne gets his power cut off the same night he loses his money? Was he already a month behind on his electric bill at this point? No.

30. How did Bruce Wayne come up with the Clean Slate program?

31. So when Batman is surrounded on the bridge, there is just conveniently one of those car carrying trucks there that he just happens to fire perfectly at for the ramp to fall down so he can conveniently drive up to the fortunately placed streets.

32. How come Bruce Wayne can barely walk with a cane, yet he can dance like Fred Astaire without one?

33. How did Bruce make it back to Gotham from the prison? He has no money, and all the bridges into Gotham were collapsed.


A great post and series of questions regarding a very good but incredibly flawed film.

For a Christopher Nolan film, the required suspension of disbelief was shocking.

As a fan of comic book films, I'm willing to forgive quite a bit, but this one pushed the limits. And considering the director and the usual quality of his work, I was very surprised.

As I said in another post, it seemed to me that Nolan had his fill of the Batman universe and didn't care as much as he had in the past.

[StevenOtero]

"15 Things That Bugged Me About RISES" - A Rebuttal

Oh, the hate and nitpicking of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES continues!

My friend Rick Marshall (https://twitter.com/rickmarshall) (@rickmarshall) recently posted an interesting article listing 15 things that bugged him about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (http://www.mindpollution.org/2012/07/25/the-dark-knight-rises-problems/#more-7139). It’s a good piece and is actually quite humorous -- give it a read. However, I had to chime in and post a rebuttal. Enjoy!

http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_opinion_15-things-rebuttal_byJett_7-26-12.html

[Denim Chicken]

Here are the reasons why I thought "The Dark Knight Rises" was lame. I'm not just blindly hating it. Hey, I gave "Batman Begins" an 8/10 and "The Dark Knight" a 9/10. But this one I had soooo many issues with. The Nolan-directed Batman movies are supposed to be the "realistic" superhero movies, yet I found myself having to suspend my disbelief over and over and over again.

1. Bruce Wayne has a broken back, with a vertebrae even sticking out... and he is healed by some guy punching him in the back? A couple months later he is climbing up walls and making impossible jumps?

2. Speaking of jumps, how incredibly cheesy and coincidental that all those bats flew by just as he was about to "Rise" out of that prison.

3. So you're telling me that a little girl makes that jump when no grown men can? And the reason is cause she had the willpower? Ridiculous.

4. So this is the most impossible prison ever to escape... yet they readily provide you rope to help you try to climb out of? And there's no security at the top of the hole if you do escape?


Lol @ being mad that a fictional movie (a fictional comic book move about a Batman, no less) is not real life enough for you.

[EMMITTnROY]

A great post and series of questions regarding a very good but incredibly flawed film.

For a Christopher Nolan film, the required suspension of disbelief was shocking.

As a fan of comic book films, I'm willing to forgive quite a bit, but this one pushed the limits. And considering the director and the usual quality of his work, I was very surprised.

As I said in another post, it seemed to me that Nolan had his fill of the Batman universe and didn't care as much as he had in the past.Thank you!! Glad someone else finally sees it. The movie had a lot of good... but it also had too many flaws to ignore. Just time and time again, I was shaking my head at was I was seeing and hearing on the screen.

[stasheroo]

"15 Things That Bugged Me About RISES" - A Rebuttal

Oh, the hate and nitpicking of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES continues!

My friend Rick Marshall (https://twitter.com/rickmarshall) (@rickmarshall) recently posted an interesting article listing 15 things that bugged him about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (http://www.mindpollution.org/2012/07/25/the-dark-knight-rises-problems/#more-7139). It’s a good piece and is actually quite humorous -- give it a read. However, I had to chime in and post a rebuttal. Enjoy!

http://www.batman-on-film.com/TDKRises_opinion_15-things-rebuttal_byJett_7-26-12.html

Thanks for posting this, it was a very good read. At 15 things, he took it very easy on the film.

Again, I'm amazed that we get this level of gaping holes in logic in a Christopher Nolan film and the only explanation I can see for such a drop in quality is that:

a) His heart just wasn't in it this time around and he didn't care about the multitude of 'contrivances' in this film

or

b) Goyer had a bigger hand in writing this script and it suffered as a result

[stasheroo]

Lol @ being mad that a fictional movie (a fictional comic book move about a Batman, no less) is not real life enough for you.

There's a line between 'suspension of disbelief' and 'insulting your intelligence'.

I find it both funny and hypocritical that folks will talk about this one and Avengers and have the nerve to describe Avengers as the 'shut your brain off' film.

Nolan set a very high bar for this franchise in the first two films.

He did not measure up to his previous standard here.

[stasheroo]

Thank you!! Glad someone else finally sees it. The movie had a lot of good... but it also had too many flaws to ignore. Just time and time again, I was shaking my head at was I was seeing and hearing on the screen.

I'm with you 100%.

Overall, it was an enjoyable film.

It just wasn't up to the previous standards and it lost much of the 'realism' factor that the first two had.

I'll definitely buy the blu-ray on Day One, but that doesn't mean I have to shut my eyes and ears to glaring flaws either.

Not an all or nothing proposition.

[TheCowboy]

I loved the movie, but I love the last one, The Dark Night, a lot better. I mean, come on you can't beat Heath Ledger with the joker performance. The Joker was a lot more interesting than Bain. It still was a great movie, but I would give it an 8/10.

[TheCount]

I think Tom Hardy is a really good actor. The part about Bane I did not like, you could not read his expressions because of the mask, but the voice made up for it times 10!

Yeah, the mask definitely made things tougher. Especially if you look at Heath's Joker which was so much ABOUT the mouth. :laugh2:

As far as moments, in no particular order:

1. Batman reveals identity to Gordon
2. "Robin" finds the Batsuit in the cave, ensuring that Batman will live on.
3. Batman gets tricked by Catman onto the walkway and Bane is standing on the other side, ensuring their first showdown.
4. Alfred sees Bruce at brunch with Selena.
5. Bruce shows up to talk to Fox and says he's retired, Fox says well let me show you some toys anyway.
6. The entire opening scene with Bane on the plane, what an opening!

I also just realized that Batman revealed his identity to a lot of people in this one. Nolan basically made it clear that Bruce would never be able to return, every thug in the LOS apparently knew Wayne was Batman.

[PullMyFinger]

I figured that many of us want to discuss the movie but don't want to ruin it for others so I decided it would be wise to start a designated spoiler thread. This post will serve as a warning for those that have accidently opened the thread and I will begin my post in the next post.


It was good, but the Avengers was better.

[CashMan]

Did anyone catch how the police chase started when it was like 2-3pm and ended at like midnight? It was light out, then like 10min later it was night time.

[TheCount]

It was good, but the Avengers was better.

I think you can easily enjoy both equally. Avengers was certainly more fun, to me anyway, but Batman was the better overall movie.

The way I look at it, there are a lot of directors that could have made a movie starring Hulk, Ironman, Captain America, Thor, etc entertaining but how many directors could have made Bane a viable and complex nemesis to Batman?

Not many.

[stasheroo]

I think you can easily enjoy both equally. Avengers was certainly more fun, to me anyway, but Batman was the better overall movie.

The way I look at it, there are a lot of directors that could have made a movie starring Hulk, Ironman, Captain America, Thor, etc entertaining but how many directors could have made Bane a viable and complex nemesis to Batman?

Not many.

I don't think there are 'many' that could have so carefully balanced a group of heroes, each requiring a level of spotlight, like Joss Whedon did in the Avengers.

As a matter of fact, I shudder to think what an Avengers movie would be without him.

I did enjoy both very much and each is very different with its' own unique appeal.

[PullMyFinger]

I think you can easily enjoy both equally. Avengers was certainly more fun, to me anyway, but Batman was the better overall movie.

The way I look at it, there are a lot of directors that could have made a movie starring Hulk, Ironman, Captain America, Thor, etc entertaining but how many directors could have made Bane a viable and complex nemesis to Batman?

Not many.


Truthfully Ive never been a fan of Batman or DC for that matter, so to me Avengers (or Hulk 3 as I like to call it) was a better movie. Marvel has a better product IMO, which is why Marvel is kicken DC hiney in the movie business.

Marvel has some stale characters but DC holds the record for staleness in characters.

[a_minimalist]

hypercritical

[BoysFan4ever]

I thought it was just a bit too long. I liked Heath's Joker a lot more than Bane. It was good though. I enjoyed it.

[BraveHeartFan]

Yeah, the mask definitely made things tougher. Especially if you look at Heath's Joker which was so much ABOUT the mouth. :laugh2:

As far as moments, in no particular order:

1. Batman reveals identity to Gordon
2. "Robin" finds the Batsuit in the cave, ensuring that Batman will live on.
3. Batman gets tricked by Catman onto the walkway and Bane is standing on the other side, ensuring their first showdown.
4. Alfred sees Bruce at brunch with Selena.
5. Bruce shows up to talk to Fox and says he's retired, Fox says well let me show you some toys anyway.
6. The entire opening scene with Bane on the plane, what an opening!

I also just realized that Batman revealed his identity to a lot of people in this one. Nolan basically made it clear that Bruce would never be able to return, every thug in the LOS apparently knew Wayne was Batman.

I believe that was Nolan's way of writing Bruce Wayne out as Batman since Bruce Wayne was no longer Batman after his encounter with Bane in the comics.


As I recall in the comic when he gets his back broken by Bane it leaves Bruce paralyzed and he hands the Batman persona off to another. Azriel, or something similiar to that name. I'm a little fuzzy on it because it's been years since I read that particular comic and in the years since none of the cartoons followed that path. They always had Bane injury his back and months later Bruce returned as Batman to defeat Bane.

But as I recall in the comic Bruce Wayne was never again Batman after his fight with Bane. Which is why I believe they wrote the ending to this movie the way they did. They weren't going to take the Batman character off of Bale during this movie but it was written in such a way so that if someone else decides to pick this franchise up from here, and move on, they gave a perfectly good explanation for why someone else is now The Dark Knight and not Wayne.


A pretty solid compromise, IMO, by Nolan that still has the same effect in that the Batman persona is handed from Wayne to someone else. They also were able to give a nod to 'Robin' but did so in a way where they could completely skip the entire 'Robin' character and simply make him the new Batman.



I don't think there are 'many' that could have so carefully balanced a group of heroes, each requiring a level of spotlight, like Joss Whedon did in the Avengers.

As a matter of fact, I shudder to think what an Avengers movie would be without him.

I did enjoy both very much and each is very different with its' own unique appeal.

Agreed. Whedon did a fantastic job of balancing all that in The Avengers.



And on one final note I don't get all the hate for the suspension of belief stuff. The entire series, the Batman character in general, is a huge suspension of belief.

Unless you actually believe that a billionaire, playboy, could be scurrying across rooftops, making impossible jumps, fighting numerous thugs who have guns, and never losing is an actual possibility.


The idea that all the sudden you had to suspend disbelief and that there are only suddenly holes in the logic and such of the storyline is laughable at best.

[BraveHeartFan]

Truthfully Ive never been a fan of Batman or DC for that matter, so to me Avengers (or Hulk 3 as I like to call it) was a better movie. Marvel has a better product IMO, which is why Marvel is kicken DC hiney in the movie business.

Marvel has some stale characters but DC holds the record for staleness in characters.


Couldn't possibly disagree more.

[stasheroo]

And on one final note I don't get all the hate for the suspension of belief stuff. The entire series, the Batman character in general, is a huge suspension of belief.

Unless you actually believe that a billionaire, playboy, could be scurrying across rooftops, making impossible jumps, fighting numerous thugs who have guns, and never losing is an actual possibility.


The idea that all the sudden you had to suspend disbelief and that there are only suddenly holes in the logic and such of the storyline is laughable at best.

I'm willing to play by whatever rules a director sets for their universe. Again as a fan of the genre, I'm obviously not picky.

But when those rules are suddenly changed or dropped on the fly as a matter of convenience?

That doesn't sit well with me, especially from a director I hold in such high regard.

One of the best things about the Nolan series was how he took the fantastic and brought it as close to 'real' as had ever been done.

To see him abandon that standard this time around was disappointing.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Truthfully Ive never been a fan of Batman or DC for that matter, so to me Avengers (or Hulk 3 as I like to call it) was a better movie. Marvel has a better product IMO, which is why Marvel is kicken DC hiney in the movie business.

Marvel has some stale characters but DC holds the record for staleness in characters.
Superman and Batman are on a different pedistal. They are far above all other superheroes, the 3rd is far off and that is Spiderman.

[joseephuss]

Superman and Batman are on a different pedistal. They are far above all other superheroes, the 3rd is far off and that is Spiderman.

Partly because Superman(1938) and Batman(1939) have both been around longer than Spider-Man(1962).

[TheSport78]

I'll just never understand how Bruce Wayne had time to shave his full beard off from when he escaped the prison to arriving at Gotham to ask Catwoman for her help.

[Bevo]

I think that Blake becomes Robin....not Batman because as Nolan stated earlier. Blake is a character made up of all 3 robins.

[BraveHeartFan]

I think that Blake becomes Robin....not Batman because as Nolan stated earlier. Blake is a character made up of all 3 robins.


Probably would have been....had Nolan been returning for anymore of the movies (If anyone else even picks this franchise up and continues from where it is now). If Nolan knew he'd be returning to do another one they wouldn't have written the movie in a way to show Bruce Wayne as dead and the Batman character handed away.


Of course, I'll grant you, that the way the movie ended if Bale wanted to sign back on and someone did continue from there they could have done it that way simply to eliminate Bruce Wayne (Since the League of Shadows and probably other bad guys, knew Wayne was Batman) so that people would once again (other than Gordon, Fox, and the kid) wouldn't know who Batman was.

It's also a convienent way to allow Alfred to l eave believing Bruce was all right and no longer needed Batman.

[the kid 05]

I believe that was Nolan's way of writing Bruce Wayne out as Batman since Bruce Wayne was no longer Batman after his encounter with Bane in the comics.


As I recall in the comic when he gets his back broken by Bane it leaves Bruce paralyzed and he hands the Batman persona off to another. Azriel, or something similiar to that name. I'm a little fuzzy on it because it's been years since I read that particular comic and in the years since none of the cartoons followed that path. They always had Bane injury his back and months later Bruce returned as Batman to defeat Bane.

But as I recall in the comic Bruce Wayne was never again Batman after his fight with Bane. Which is why I believe they wrote the ending to this movie the way they did. They weren't going to take the Batman character off of Bale during this movie but it was written in such a way so that if someone else decides to pick this franchise up from here, and move on, they gave a perfectly good explanation for why someone else is now The Dark Knight and not Wayne.



He comes back after seeing Azuriel and Robin/Nightwing fighting over who would wear the cape and cowl. He doesn't become paralyzed just a broken back

The way I took the ending was it would allow Bruce to be Batman and train robin/nightwing and not have to worry about anyone he loves get hurt because "Bruce Wayne is dead"

[TheCount]

He comes back after seeing Azuriel and Robin/Nightwing fighting over who would wear the cape and cowl. He doesn't become paralyzed just a broken back

The way I took the ending was it would allow Bruce to be Batman and train robin/nightwing and not have to worry about anyone he loves get hurt because "Bruce Wayne is dead"

In Knightfall, Bruce is indeed paralyzed, from what I recall... he ends up getting healed of course (in typical comicbook fashion), but untill then he is supposed to be paralyzed.

[CowboyMike]

I think that Blake becomes Robin....not Batman because as Nolan stated earlier. Blake is a character made up of all 3 robins.

If you look closely at Blake's jacket when he enters the Batcave, he is wearing a black jacket with a blue stripe along the back, signifying he might become Nightwing, not Robin.

Remember, his actual birth name is Robin , which I think is Nolan's wink saying "See? We had Robin." It just wasn't Robin as we think. In a way he did act as Batman's sidekick in a mentor/student kind of relationship. Blake just wasn't running around in a red, green, and yellow suit. Remember, Robin has never been a solo act, unless you count teen titans. And the fact that his name is actually Robin wouldn't be very good for keeping his identity secret if he was Robin in costume. I think his experiences throughout the movie were his "turn" as Robin, in a symbolic sense. Nolan has repeatedly said they would not have Robin because it's just too cheesy.

Remember Bruce explains to Blake that Batman was meant to be a symbol, so anyone can take on its mantle and continue being the symbol. It wasn't meant for just one person. This discussion makes it more likely that Blake would simply become Batman. And less likely, but possible, that he'd be Nightwing due to the jacket.

[jobberone]

After the movie on the way home I tried to explain the concept of a willing suspension of disbelief to my honey. So the movie brought that subject up at least in my mind. It was a big stretch at times.

[Bevo]

If you look closely at Blake's jacket when he enters the Batcave, he is wearing a black jacket with a blue stripe along the back, signifying he might become Nightwing, not Robin.

Remember, his actual birth name is Robin , which I think is Nolan's wink saying "See? We had Robin." It just wasn't Robin as we think. In a way he did act as Batman's sidekick in a mentor/student kind of relationship. Blake just wasn't running around in a red, green, and yellow suit. Remember, Robin has never been a solo act, unless you count teen titans. And the fact that his name is actually Robin wouldn't be very good for keeping his identity secret if he was Robin in costume. I think his experiences throughout the movie were his "turn" as Robin, in a symbolic sense. Nolan has repeatedly said they would not have Robin because it's just too cheesy.

Remember Bruce explains to Blake that Batman was meant to be a symbol, so anyone can take on its mantle and continue being the symbol. It wasn't meant for just one person. This discussion makes it more likely that Blake would simply become Batman. And less likely, but possible, that he'd be Nightwing due to the jacket.

Good catch on the jacket....I was wiping away my tears at that point! :laugh2:

[CowboyMike]

Good catch on the jacket....I was wiping away my tears at that point! :laugh2:

Thanks. Yeah the girlfriend was bawling next to me.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Superman and Batman are on a different pedistal. They are far above all other superheroes, the 3rd is far off and that is Spiderman.

Superman is overrated.

[Lodeus]

Superman is just as awesome as Batman.

Just got back from it. Great movie. Just as good as TDK. I loved when Bane broke his back and when they unveiled the Batman statue. Those were great comic book like moments.

Only issue I can think of right now is, when he was back in the prison, that whole part felt a little rushed.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Superman is overrated.

Don't believe so - I just believe he has been poorly portrayed. With Nolan very involved with the Man of Steel series I expect SuperMan to have a Batman like change in public perception.

[a_minimalist]

Superman is overrated.

Two words man...x-ray vision

[TheCount]

Superman is overrated.

He's not overrated, just a different type of hero. Basing ones opinions on any of these superheroes based on their movies would be a mistake.

Superman as a comic book character has been through some ****. :laugh2:

If a director could find a way to do the Doomsday story line, it would really redefine the character in pop culture.

The fact of the matter is that people need to see him get beat up, see him get grimy and see him come back after others fail to fill his shoes, much like Batman's Dark Knight.

Instead, we got Kevin Spacey and a Super Baby.

Luckily it looks like Zack Snyder is avoiding the obvious Lex Luther intro in favor of some villians that will be more taxing physically, allowing Superman to rise up to them instead of the tired kyroptonite making him weaker nonsense that basically slowed the last one to a crawl.

[PullMyFinger]

I'll just never understand how Bruce Wayne had time to shave his full beard off from when he escaped the prison to arriving at Gotham to ask Catwoman for her help.


His power is cut off in his house, but theres power in the Bat-cave?

Lemme guess theyre on 2 different power grids

The best part of the movie is when CW blasted Bane, By that time Id had gotten sick of his voice and him running his mouth. He's making grandiose speeches instead of getting down to business. (Loki was a much better villain, even with his grandiose speeches, at least his made sense, and were understandable)

Oh and speaking of Bane being FINALLY blasted, how did CW drive that noisy Bat cycle through the crowd fighting and into the building without BM or Bane hearing her?

The second Dark Knight was better. This was not the best movie this year.

[PullMyFinger]

He's not overrated, just a different type of hero. Basing ones opinions on any of these superheroes based on their movies would be a mistake.

Superman as a comic book character has been through some ****. :laugh2:

If a director could find a way to do the Doomsday story line, it would really redefine the character in pop culture.

The fact of the matter is that people need to see him get beat up, see him get grimy and see him come back after others fail to fill his shoes, much like Batman's Dark Knight.

Instead, we got Kevin Spacey and a Super Baby.

Luckily it looks like Zack Snyder is avoiding the obvious Lex Luther intro in favor of some villians that will be more taxing physically, allowing Superman to rise up to them instead of the tired kyroptonite making him weaker nonsense that basically slowed the last one to a crawl.

Supes isnt overrated hes overpowered

All Supes needs to do is go to the Pit, that prison doctor can fix him right up, Hell he fixed BMs broken back. Fake butt Superman, the unkillable one. Doomsday KILLS him and like 5 comics later hes back to life, give me a break.

Oh and BTW, to all you DC fanboys..... World War Hulk would destroy Supes, and Doomsday too.

Heck, Thor would beat Supes

And dont even get me started on Blunder (I mean Wonder) Woman, and Aquaman that talks to the fishies.

[StevenOtero]

Supes isnt overrated hes overpowered

All Supes needs to do is go to the Pit, that prison doctor can fix him right up, Hell he fixed BMs broken back. Fake butt Superman, the unkillable one. Doomsday KILLS him and like 5 comics later hes back to life, give me a break.

Oh and BTW, to all you DC fanboys..... World War Hulk would destroy Supes, and Doomsday too.

Heck, Thor would beat Supes

And dont even get me started on Blunder (I mean Wonder) Woman, and Aquaman that talks to the fishies.:rolleyes: They all have to exisit for any of these things to take place. :D

[CowboyMike]

If you can get past the fact that they were made in the 70s, and therefore the older special effects, the first two original Richard Donner Superman Films are excellent. (The second one wasn't entirely Donner, but he did film a large chunk of it.)

Christopher Reeve is still who I think of when I picture Superman, and I was born in the 80s. The only thing I wasn't a fan of was Margo Kidder as Lois.

If anyone is a fan of Superman, I recommend watching "The Richard Donner Cut" of Superman II. It's his original version of the film before he was basically forced out.

"General, would you care to step outside?"

ShmcWiKkAZU

[StevenOtero]

Can't go wrong with the Donner cut.

[Manwiththeplan]

Oh and BTW, to all you DC fanboys..... World War Hulk would destroy Supes, and Doomsday too.

Not really. Sentry faught the Hulk to a stand still, till both reverted back to their human forms. Had that been Superman, he has no human form, he would've outlasted the Hulk and won.

[Manwiththeplan]

Heck, Thor would beat Supes

Definately disagree with this. Superman would likely beat Thor down with his own hammer.

[BraveHeartFan]

He comes back after seeing Azuriel and Robin/Nightwing fighting over who would wear the cape and cowl. He doesn't become paralyzed just a broken back

The way I took the ending was it would allow Bruce to be Batman and train robin/nightwing and not have to worry about anyone he loves get hurt because "Bruce Wayne is dead"

Yes he does comeback eventually to retake the Batman deal. I didn't complete my thought there about the comic portion instead focusing on how they'd use it to simply write Wayne out in the movies for good. My appologies.

However he was paralyzed in the injury. He eventually recovers and the bigger reason for why he takes the cowl back is that the guy he handed it over to become increasingly more and more violent, inlcuding watching as one bad guy falls to his death and does nothing to prevent it.

I can't recall, exactly, how it was he recovered rather it was from time, and the fact that he's Bruce Wayne and his body has been trained to be stronger than the general persons, or if there was something else. I can't recall for sure now.



In Knightfall, Bruce is indeed paralyzed, from what I recall... he ends up getting healed of course (in typical comicbook fashion), but untill then he is supposed to be paralyzed.

Yep. He's paralyzed for a time which is why he handed it over. It's a very interesting storyline as is the one where he eventually comes back and takes it from the guy he'd handed it to.

[BraveHeartFan]

Don't believe so - I just believe he has been poorly portrayed. With Nolan very involved with the Man of Steel series I expect SuperMan to have a Batman like change in public perception.


I agree with you on this point but I also agree that he's over-rated but not because of anything that people like or don't like.


I've always felt Superman was over-rated as a hero because he's got super powers. That isn't nearly as impressive to me as guys like Batman and Ironman who had to build their stuff and use their brains, and own bodies, to be heros.

With Superman I was always just like well whoopie. Unless there was kryptonite involved there was never any real threat to Superman so I wasn't impressed by him doing his heroic deeds.

[PullMyFinger]

Rune Thor would kill Supes, hell Trion Juggernaut would.

Not really. Sentry faught the Hulk to a stand still, till both reverted back to their human forms. Had that been Superman, he has no human form, he would've outlasted the Hulk and won.

It would have never got to that point, he would have left Supes a bloody mess then kept going. Even Thanos (Marvels equivalent to Darkseid) who is probably the heaviest hitter in the Marvel universe stated he wouldnt want to face that incarnation of the Hulk. Superman does tire out in a long fight. Just look at how tired Superman got when he fought Doomsday and Darkseid.

And it took ALL of Sentrys powers (the power of 1 million exploding suns) to battle Hulk to a stand still, if the Sentry and Hulk wasnt as good of friends as they were, nothing on Earth would have stopped the Hulk, except Hulk himself.

After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had no finite element inside. Hulk caught and held 150 billion tons in the secret wars series and the Hulk is also able to generate omnidirectional "worldbreaker" bursts of kinetic energy that completely shook the United States.

Supes is already at full strength, Hulks strength is emotionally fueled, not only anger but sadness and despair also, which is what the Hulk felt in the WWH series.

The Hulk can survive on very little sustenance(before he adapts he can hold his breath for an hour underwater or in space,which is plenty enough time for him to adapt) but after the Hulk adapts to a hostile environment (like space) he no longer needs sustenance and does not need air, water, food, or sleep. He would just adapt to the situation and defeat Superman.

But if Superman can read some poetry, sing lullabies, tell funny jokes, or do the Riverdance and somehow change the Hulk back into Banner, Banner would have enough sense to get some kryptonite and it’s a done deal anyway.

[joseephuss]

So much for Superman being overrated based on those hypothetical match ups.

[PullMyFinger]

Oh and BTW Hulk also held up half the Earth in the WWH series

[PullMyFinger]

now Superman prime could probably beat world war Hulk

[TheCount]

Oh and BTW Hulk also held up half the Earth in the WWH series

Superman turned back time by reversing the rotation of the earth.

Think about that for a second. He stopped the earths rotation, no one flew off, the moon didn't fly away, the oceans didn't empty... TIME STOPPED and then REVERSED!

/argument :laugh2:

Seriously though, arguments like this come down to cannon definitions of these heroes. If you want to go off-cannon, then you can drag in Superman Prime, who is more or less god incarnate.

Cannon Hulk vs Cannon Superman has to go to Hulk. Superman was just too conventional - a product of the era. The idea of lifting a car above your head was considered wild for that era, much less having a bullet clang off your chest. He wasn't even originally imagined to be capable of flight.

Hulk doesn't have that limitation. He was created with the idea of his strength being tied directly to his anger and no physical limitation to that strength.

[PullMyFinger]

Superman turned back time by reversing the rotation of the earth.

Think about that for a second. He stopped the earths rotation, no one flew off, the moon didn't fly away, the oceans didn't empty... TIME STOPPED and then REVERSED!

/argument :laugh2:

Seriously though, arguments like this come down to cannon definitions of these heroes. If you want to go off-cannon, then you can drag in Superman Prime, who is more or less god incarnate.

Cannon Hulk vs Cannon Superman has to go to Hulk. Superman was just too conventional - a product of the era. The idea of lifting a car above your head was considered wild for that era, much less having a bullet clang off your chest. He wasn't even originally imagined to be capable of flight.

Hulk doesn't have that limitation. He was created with the idea of his strength being tied directly to his anger and no physical limitation to that strength.

Good post



Hulk punched a hole through the space-time continuum. And held the core of a black hole.

Hulk emits gamma radiation which is the same radiation as a Red Sun emits. This radiation strips Superman of his powers. Hulk’s mere presence would weaken Superman. If Supes gets close enough to hit Hulk, he is defeated instantly because of this radiation factor. Face to face with Hulk, Superman would only be Clark Kent.

Supes prime is scary. Dunno if he could beat Sentry though (Sentry is Superman on crack) DC and their over powered characters.

Oh, Hulks strength isnt only tied to anger, its all negative emotions.

[StevenOtero]

Rune Thor would kill Supes, hell Trion Juggernaut would.



It would have never got to that point, he would have left Supes a bloody mess then kept going. Even Thanos (Marvels equivalent to Darkseid) who is probably the heaviest hitter in the Marvel universe stated he wouldnt want to face that incarnation of the Hulk. Superman does tire out in a long fight. Just look at how tired Superman got when he fought Doomsday and Darkseid.

And it took ALL of Sentrys powers (the power of 1 million exploding suns) to battle Hulk to a stand still, if the Sentry and Hulk wasnt as good of friends as they were, nothing on Earth would have stopped the Hulk, except Hulk himself.

After probing, the entity Beyonder once claimed that the Hulk's potential strength had no finite element inside. Hulk caught and held 150 billion tons in the secret wars series and the Hulk is also able to generate omnidirectional "worldbreaker" bursts of kinetic energy that completely shook the United States.

Supes is already at full strength, Hulks strength is emotionally fueled, not only anger but sadness and despair also, which is what the Hulk felt in the WWH series.

The Hulk can survive on very little sustenance(before he adapts he can hold his breath for an hour underwater or in space,which is plenty enough time for him to adapt) but after the Hulk adapts to a hostile environment (like space) he no longer needs sustenance and does not need air, water, food, or sleep. He would just adapt to the situation and defeat Superman.

But if Superman can read some poetry, sing lullabies, tell funny jokes, or do the Riverdance and somehow change the Hulk back into Banner, Banner would have enough sense to get some kryptonite and it’s a done deal anyway.

Oh and BTW Hulk also held up half the Earth in the WWH series

now Superman prime could probably beat world war Hulk

Superman turned back time by reversing the rotation of the earth.

Think about that for a second. He stopped the earths rotation, no one flew off, the moon didn't fly away, the oceans didn't empty... TIME STOPPED and then REVERSED!

/argument :laugh2:

Seriously though, arguments like this come down to cannon definitions of these heroes. If you want to go off-cannon, then you can drag in Superman Prime, who is more or less god incarnate.

Cannon Hulk vs Cannon Superman has to go to Hulk. Superman was just too conventional - a product of the era. The idea of lifting a car above your head was considered wild for that era, much less having a bullet clang off your chest. He wasn't even originally imagined to be capable of flight.

Hulk doesn't have that limitation. He was created with the idea of his strength being tied directly to his anger and no physical limitation to that strength.

Good post



Hulk punched a hole through the space-time continuum. And held the core of a black hole.

Hulk emits gamma radiation which is the same radiation as a Red Sun emits. This radiation strips Superman of his powers. Hulk’s mere presence would weaken Superman. If Supes gets close enough to hit Hulk, he is defeated instantly because of this radiation factor. Face to face with Hulk, Superman would only be Clark Kent.

Supes prime is scary. Dunno if he could beat Sentry though (Sentry is Superman on crack) DC and their over powered characters.

Oh, Hulks strength isnt only tied to anger, its all negative emotions.Hey, none of this actually exists. Why in the hell are you arguing over crap that is made up by people? It's up to the writer as to who would actually win.

Typical, it only takes one fanboy to de-rail a thread into a super hero contest.

[rkell87]

Hey, none of this actually exists. Why in the hell are you arguing over crap that is made up by people? It's up to the writer as to who would actually win.

Typical, it only takes one fanboy to de-rail a thread into a super hero contest.

because it is interesting to talk about, I read a thread about who would win between supes and goku the other day and it was pretty cool to see the arguments, one guy even broke it down scientifically finding a quote in a comic about how many times stronger supes is than an average human, then finding a point in DBZ where the power level of an average human was scaned then multiplying that by the superman number and showing that goku surpasses that number at only SSJ2. it was pretty good

[PullMyFinger]

because it is interesting to talk about

Winner, winner, chicken dinner

[joseephuss]

I've never bought into the Hulk as having unlimited power because he is fueled by his anger or other emotion. I don't see emotion as limitless. You can only get so angry and anger and emotion do wear out. Seems like a good fuel to transform him into the Hulk and give him a quick burst of overwhelming power, but it never seemed like a long, sustainable fuel source.

[Lodeus]

Few days after seeing it, I think Hardy did an outstanding job as Bane and as a villain. He had really only his eyes to work with, and yet did such a great job portraying the type of character he did. The voice I think was perfect as well. I was afraid they'd try to make sound too evil.

Also, I need to see this movie again.

[CashMan]

Also, I need to see this movie again.


Agreed, I saw TDK about 7 times at the movies, tonight will be #2 for TDKR. Need to see it a few more times.

[stasheroo]

Few days after seeing it, I think Hardy did an outstanding job as Bane and as a villain. He had really only his eyes to work with, and yet did such a great job portraying the type of character he did. The voice I think was perfect as well. I was afraid they'd try to make sound too evil.

Also, I need to see this movie again.

I agree.

I found him a captivating and compelling presence and I was riveted whenever he was on screen.

I will say - despite what some might think - it was at times difficult to understand everything he was saying, but not so much that you didn't know what was going on.

I look forward to seeing this film again and many times thereafter when I buy it day one on blu-ray.

(not soon enough!)

[Mash]

Love the Show....still liked TDK better....but again...this was a very good movie.

My only gripe was that early on....I couldnt understand what Bane was saying half the time. I kept on leaning over asking my wife...."what did he say"?

Anyone else have that problem? I went to a AVS theatre...so maybe the background music and bass were too loud...

Some other minor stuff....like how fast Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham City after being overseas in prison.....but its a super hero movie....cant get to picky about that.

Overall.....Nolan did a terrific job and one of the best trilogy made imho

Just wish they would of cleared up Bane's voice alittle behind that mask...

[Lodeus]

My only gripe was that early on....I couldnt understand what Bane was saying half the time. I kept on leaning over asking my wife...."what did he say"?

Anyone else have that problem? I went to a AVS theatre...so maybe the background music and bass were too loud...



I will say - despite what some might think - it was at times difficult to understand everything he was saying, but not so much that you didn't know what was going on.

IIRC, the only time I had trouble understanding him was when he and Batman where in the sewers fighting.

[stasheroo]

Love the Show....still liked TDK better....but again...this was a very good movie.

My only gripe was that early on....I couldnt understand what Bane was saying half the time. I kept on leaning over asking my wife...."what did he say"?

Anyone else have that problem? I went to a AVS theatre...so maybe the background music and bass were too loud...

Some other minor stuff....like how fast Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham City after being overseas in prison.....but its a super hero movie....cant get to picky about that.

Overall.....Nolan did a terrific job and one of the best trilogy made imho

Just wish they would of cleared up Bane's voice alittle behind that mask...

Actually, you got the cleared up version. There were several complaints made when the teaser trailer debuted before Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. At that time, it was even more difficult to understand him.

And my own opinion is very mcuh like your own.

The film had its' flaws and leaps in logic, but for me, it didn;t change the fact that it was a very good film. Not quite as good as The Dark Knight, but very good in its' own right.

[the kid 05]

Actually, you got the cleared up version. There were several complaints made when the teaser trailer debuted before Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. At that time, it was even more difficult to understand him.

And my own opinion is very mcuh like your own.

The film had its' flaws and leaps in logic, but for me, it didn;t change the fact that it was a very good film. Not quite as good as The Dark Knight, but very good in its' own right.

the voice prior to them messing with it was FAR better imo after it seemed too loud and his throat movement and words didn't seem to match up

[stasheroo]

the voice prior to them messing with it was FAR better imo after it seemed too loud and his throat movement and words didn't seem to match up

I agree, on some points anyway. I viewed a side-by-side comparison on the internet that someone created showing before and after and I felt there were both pros and cons to the changes.

[PullMyFinger]

Theres only one other villain Ive ever wanted to shut up more than Bane and that was Agent Smith from the Matrix. Banes voice was too raspy, I understood maybe 60% of what he said, it was easier to understand in the beginning of the movie then latter.

[TheCount]

Hey, none of this actually exists. Why in the hell are you arguing over crap that is made up by people? It's up to the writer as to who would actually win.

Typical, it only takes one fanboy to de-rail a thread into a super hero contest.

Says the guy obsessed with Batman. :laugh2:

"Why are you guys arguing about imaginary heroes? Can we go back to talking about Batman, who is a real person and actually exists?!"

[ethiostar]

Entertaining movie but not nearly as good as TDK, IMO.

[jobberone]

No more obscene language....filtered or not

[CashMan]

Entertaining movie but not nearly as good as TDK, IMO.


Agreed. Saw it for the 2nd time last night, it is good, but it is almost 3hrs, and is not as good of TDK. Heath Ledgers performance was EPIC!

[FloridaRob]

I saw it this weekend with the grandson and while it was entertaining, I did not think it was that good. The dialogue was cheesy as it gets. I kept waiting for the "bam", "pow", "wham" popups like were in the 60's shows. I agree I had a hard time understanding Bane. I also thought the departure of Alfred was handled so quickly you did not have a chance to feel anything about him leaving. Entertaining? yes. Good movie? no. The Avengers was a much better movie.

[StevenOtero]

Says the guy obsessed with Batman. :laugh2:

"Why are you guys arguing about imaginary heroes? Can we go back to talking about Batman, who is a real person and actually exists?!"Yeah, because I've said Batman exists. Nope, not once.

I've just never understood the whole matching up Super Heroes when it 'we' as the reader have no control over the outcome.

It's cool to talk about the what-if scenarios, but to get in little arguments over them is rather lame.

[stasheroo]

Yeah, because I've said Batman exists. Nope, not once.

I've just never understood the whole matching up Super Heroes when it 'we' as the reader have no control over the outcome.

It's cool to talk about the what-if scenarios, but to get in little arguments over them is rather lame.


Much like obsessing over imaginary characters at all.

[PullMyFinger]

I saw it this weekend with the grandson and while it was entertaining, I did not think it was that good. The dialogue was cheesy as it gets. I kept waiting for the "bam", "pow", "wham" popups like were in the 60's shows. I agree I had a hard time understanding Bane. I also thought the departure of Alfred was handled so quickly you did not have a chance to feel anything about him leaving. Entertaining? yes. Good movie? no. The Avengers was a much better movie.

Yah I agree

[187beatdown]

Pros:

-Best way I've ever seen a superhero trilogy ended, one of the best trilogies for movies in general *vietnam-like Spiderman 3 flashbacks*
-Bane actor was awesome
-Really great writing and story line they had for Bruce in this, I was pulling for him from start to finish
-Action scenes were pretty good

Cons:

-Robin, Catwoman, and Talia seemed to just be thrown in the movie with no real background or purpose that moved the story along. It didn't feel like they were necessary characters
-Bane final fight was the lamest thing I've ever seen
-Nearly 3 hours long

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Pros:

-Best way I've ever seen a superhero trilogy ended, one of the best trilogies for movies in general *vietnam-like Spiderman 3 flashbacks*
-Bane actor was awesome
-Really great writing and story line they had for Bruce in this, I was pulling for him from start to finish
-Action scenes were pretty good

Cons:

-Robin, Catwoman, and Talia seemed to just be thrown in the movie with no real background or purpose that moved the story along. It didn't feel like they were necessary characters
-Bane final fight was the lamest thing I've ever seen
-Nearly 3 hours long

Just curious, but why is that a con to you?

[CashMan]

Just curious, but why is that a con to you?



It is a long time to sit in a movie theater. Also, it didn't have that much action, to make you forget it was 3hrs.

[DallasEast]

Cons:

-Robin, Catwoman, and Talia seemed to just be thrown in the movie with no real background or purpose that moved the story along. It didn't feel like they were necessary charactersI basically agree with Robin, even though I hope that character eventually evolves into Nightwing instead of Robin if it progresses beyond this movie. I did think that Catwoman and Talia were essential to the story. Selina Kyle's motivation to free herself from her past created a wild card character sitting between the forces of good and evil in the movie. Which would she side with? The moral conflict is straight out of her comic book character.

Talia al ghul is the link between The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins. She is the architect of Gotham City's destruction, just as her father was before her. It is her loyalty to him and her fellow League of Assassins which motivates her to complete mass genocide. That and pathological revenge, that is. :)

[FloridaRob]

I thought it was kind of "come on man" when Bane beat the crap out of Batman earlier in the movie, broke his back and all Batman did was do pushups to get in better shape and kick Bane's butt. I was like, "Come On". And when they had the love scene I tapped my 11 year old grandson on the shoulder and said, "they just ruined the movie huh"? LOL.

[stasheroo]

I thought it was kind of "come on man" when Bane beat the crap out of Batman earlier in the movie, broke his back and all Batman did was do pushups to get in better shape and kick Bane's butt. I was like, "Come On". And when they had the love scene I tapped my 11 year old grandson on the shoulder and said, "they just ruined the movie huh"? LOL.

I both loved and hated that first fight between Batman and Bane.

It was a riveting scene of brutality and conflict, but the inevitability of it bothered me. Hearing Bane's preaching and seeing how impotent Batman was made it seem as if Bane had 'read the script' and knew how it would turn out before it happened.

And how one man could simply absorb such punishment without feeling it? Bull.

Especially one which - according to what the film eventually tells us - is at least 10-15 years older than the Batman he's beating down.

[187beatdown]

I basically agree with Robin, even though I hope that character eventually evolves into Nightwing instead of Robin if it progresses beyond this movie. I did think that Catwoman and Talia were essential to the story. Selina Kyle's motivation to free herself from her past created a wild card character sitting between the forces of good and evil in the movie. Which would she side with? The moral conflict is straight out of her comic book character.

Talia al ghul is the link between The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins. She is the architect of Gotham City's destruction, just as her father was before her. It is her loyalty to him and her fellow League of Assassins which motivates her to complete mass genocide. That and pathological revenge, that is. :)

I can let Talia go only because she was the "link" and needed to be in there just to complete the story, but I felt the way she was introduced was lame. Miranda was a completely non suspicious character who's only purpose was to activate the bomb in the armory and then unmask herself out of the blue. She also COMPLETELY undermines Bane's character at the end which is really my only hated part of the movie.

Bane has this great intro to the movie and amazing look into his character throughout the whole movie. I think part of the reason I liked Bane so much was the backstory of the "legend" of how he was born in darkness and crawled his way out. Only at the end do we find out that Talia was the child of legend and this burdening sense of power he has over Batman just evaporates until the nail in the coffin where he's taken out by freaking Catwoman.

As for Catwoman, the only thing she does in the movie is act as a plot device 3 times: make Bruce lose his money, send him to get beat down by Bane, save him from Bane. Otherwise her scenes make no sense and provide nothing to her back story or give us a reason to like her.

Also as previously mentioned, the reason I did not like that this movie was 3 hours long was because a lot of it was not needed. Catwoman and Robin's character scenes provide nothing to the movie and just take up space. Why did he need to take those kids to the bridge? Why did that whole sequence take so long if they would just blow up the bridge anyway? Who is the girl Catwoman is friends with? What was the point of Miranda and Bruce having sex?

So much of the movie didn't add anything but the parts that did where absolutely amazing and very well done which made me look beyond everything else.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

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I actually do.

People don't realize the Joker was essentially a plot device. He had no arc. The Dark Knight was about Harvey Dent, not the Joker. Nolan has said it himself.

Bane, to me, was a much more complex and shocking villain than the Joker.

[stasheroo]

I actually do.

People don't realize the Joker was essentially a plot device. He had no arc. The Dark Knight was about Harvey Dent, not the Joker. Nolan has said it himself.

Bane, to me, was a much more complex and shocking villain than the Joker.

Not for me.

While Tom Hardy did a great job as Bane with some tough shoes to fill, Heath Ledger's Joker performance was epic and in my opinion, the greatest 'comic book' performance of all time. I think the next actor tasked with playing that character will be petrified to have to follow in his footsteps and try to live up to that standard.

However, in Hardy's defense, his Bane was captivating every time he was on the screen. I feel the mask was both a blessing and a curse.

[Teren_Kanan]

I actually do.

People don't realize the Joker was essentially a plot device. He had no arc. The Dark Knight was about Harvey Dent, not the Joker. Nolan has said it himself.

Bane, to me, was a much more complex and shocking villain than the Joker.

Bane is different how? The movie certainly wasn't about him at all. He wasn't even in charge of the evil plot. Catwoman had more character development than him.

You hardly learn any more about Bane than you do of Joker, and half of what you think you learn about bane really is about Talia. Bane was a love sick pawn the whole time. Kinda weak imo.

Not to say I didn't think Bane was an incredibly well acted character. I liked him a lot, a bright spot in the movie to be sure.

Heath Ledger's Joker elevated Dark Knight onto an entirely higher level of movie quality, imho.

[BraveHeartFan]

Not for me.

While Tom Hardy did a great job as Bane with some tough shoes to fill, Heath Ledger's Joker performance was epic and in my opinion, the greatest 'comic book' performance of all time. I think the next actor tasked with playing that character will be petrified to have to follow in his footsteps and try to live up to that standard.

However, in Hardy's defense, his Bane was captivating every time he was on the screen. I feel the mask was both a blessing and a curse.


This.

I couldn't agree more. This is exactly how I feel on the subject.

The only other thing I could add to this is I don't know how anyone could think the Joker wasn't absolutely essential to TDK. He IS the reason for the Harvey Dent storyline. Without Joker, and how he does things, there is no storyline to have Harvey Dent become evil.

The Joker IS the story in TDK. How he acts, and what all he's willing to do, is what builds more on the Batman character and builds on Dent as well.

[ethiostar]

After Heath Ledger's incredible performance as the Joker, I spent some time thinking about another actor who can pull off a performance anywhere close to Ledger's. Now, I know that in all likelihood, no one can out perform or even match Heath in that role but I was thinking about another young, up and coming actor who can do a serviceable job. The actor who I kept coming back to was, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It was interesting seeing him in TDKR.

[CashMan]

The actor who I kept coming back to was, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It was interesting seeing him in TDKR.


I do not know, if he is up and coming, at the tender age of 31. I think he was misused, in this movie. There was sooo much potential, they could of done something where, he wore the suit, while batman was hurt. It kind of seems like it was wasted.

[stasheroo]

I do not know, if he is up and coming, at the tender age of 31. I think he was misused, in this movie. There was sooo much potential, they could of done something where, he wore the suit, while batman was hurt. It kind of seems like it was wasted.

I think they still can if they choose to.

If they want to try to keep any of this going, I think that's where they have to go.

[ethiostar]

I do not know, if he is up and coming, at the tender age of 31. I think he was misused, in this movie. There was sooo much potential, they could of done something where, he wore the suit, while batman was hurt. It kind of seems like it was wasted.

I meant in terms of his development as an actor. I know he has been in several movies but aside from his role in Inception and 50/50 (which i haven't seen yet), he has yet to play a major role in a big movie. Regardless, I think he has the potential to play a lead in a great movie.

[joseephuss]

I meant in terms of his development as an actor. I know he has been in several movies but aside from his role in Inception and 50/50 (which i haven't seen yet), he has yet to play a major role in a big movie. Regardless, I think he has the potential to play a lead in a great movie.

A "big movie" and a "great movie" aren't always the same thing. I keep seeing the trailers for Looper and Premium Rush every time I am at the movies. He is the lead in both those movies. Maybe those will be big movies.

[jobberone]

I've heard the plot is from "Tale of Two Cities" and influenced by Prince and the City and The Battle of Algiers.

[DallasEast]

I can let Talia go only because she was the "link" and needed to be in there just to complete the story, but I felt the way she was introduced was lame. Miranda was a completely non suspicious character who's only purpose was to activate the bomb in the armory and then unmask herself out of the blue. She also COMPLETELY undermines Bane's character at the end which is really my only hated part of the movie.

Bane has this great intro to the movie and amazing look into his character throughout the whole movie. I think part of the reason I liked Bane so much was the backstory of the "legend" of how he was born in darkness and crawled his way out. Only at the end do we find out that Talia was the child of legend and this burdening sense of power he has over Batman just evaporates until the nail in the coffin where he's taken out by freaking Catwoman.

As for Catwoman, the only thing she does in the movie is act as a plot device 3 times: make Bruce lose his money, send him to get beat down by Bane, save him from Bane. Otherwise her scenes make no sense and provide nothing to her back story or give us a reason to like her.

Also as previously mentioned, the reason I did not like that this movie was 3 hours long was because a lot of it was not needed. Catwoman and Robin's character scenes provide nothing to the movie and just take up space. Why did he need to take those kids to the bridge? Why did that whole sequence take so long if they would just blow up the bridge anyway? Who is the girl Catwoman is friends with? What was the point of Miranda and Bruce having sex?

So much of the movie didn't add anything but the parts that did where absolutely amazing and very well done which made me look beyond everything else.
Nolan really threw some moviegoers with Talia al ghud (Miranda) by not revealing herself until nearly the end of the movie. I'm not so certain fans of his comic book titles felt the same way. Her character is a world class assassin associated with a very old secret society. My wife and I had both guessed who she was from practically her first scene in the movie. So, how she was used in the movie appealed to us. However, I must confess that I did not place her as the one who escaped from the prison as a child instead of Bane.

The sex scene was a rush job by Nolan. As I stated in my review of the movie in the Last Movie sticky, the scene does not establish the great love affair between Batman and Talia comic book characters. It only served to remove his suspicions of her. Of course, the movie would have taken a much different track if Talia had been revealed much earlier in the film in order to create the love affair between super hero and assassin, so I pretty much forgive him for doing so.

I agree 100% about Selina Kyle's Single White Female companion. I wasn't feeling that bond at all throughout the movie.

Catwoman's coup de grâce of Bane was fantastic in my opinion. Never underestimate a cat... or Catwoman for that matter. She will strike when you least expected and you will never know what hit you when she does. :laugh2:

The bridge scene? Me too. Then again, just as I mentioned in my movie review, I wasn't feeling the Blake character pretty much the entire movie. Even his discovery of the Batcave at the end left me un-awed (is that a word? :p: )

[ethiostar]

A "big movie" and a "great movie" aren't always the same thing. I keep seeing the trailers for Looper and Premium Rush every time I am at the movies. He is the lead in both those movies. Maybe those will be big movies.

I guess i'm using the phrases here interchangeably to mean the same thing. By both phrases I mean one in which he plays a lead role and performs very well in what is widely considered to be a very good movie with box office success.

[CashMan]

This might be a biased opinion, because I am from Chicago. But, they did a good job, IMO of making you think, Gotham was Chicago with the 1st two movies. Then all of a sudden, they shoot in Philly, and Gotham is now Manhatten. Which in the back of my mind, when they sealed off the bridges in the 1st movie, I pretty much got that. It took a little away, for me anyway.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I actually do.

People don't realize the Joker was essentially a plot device. He had no arc. The Dark Knight was about Harvey Dent, not the Joker. Nolan has said it himself.

Bane, to me, was a much more complex and shocking villain than the Joker.

Lol I just made that cuz I was board. I think Joker is better, but as you can tell by my avatar I'm a Bane fan as well.

[Teren_Kanan]

My favorite part of the movie was audience participation. I only happened once.

The scene where the football field blows up, some guy shouts out "BUT HINES WARD CAN'T RUN THAT FAST!"

I laughed pretty good.

[StevenOtero]

This might be a biased opinion, because I am from Chicago. But, they did a good job, IMO of making you think, Gotham was Chicago with the 1st two movies. Then all of a sudden, they shoot in Philly, and Gotham is now Manhatten. Which in the back of my mind, when they sealed off the bridges in the 1st movie, I pretty much got that. It took a little away, for me anyway.Yeah, but in their fictional world Gotham is bigger than Chicago...so they wanted to shoot somewhere new to in a way show more of the 'city'.

[CashMan]

Yeah, but in their fictional world Gotham is bigger than Chicago...so they wanted to shoot somewhere new to in a way show more of the 'city'.


I understand, but that would of worked in the 2nd movie. People know, New York and Chicago, who the **** knows Philly?

[DallasEast]

My favorite part of the movie was audience participation. I only happened once.

The scene where the football field blows up, some guy shouts out "BUT HINES WARD CAN'T RUN THAT FAST!"

I laughed pretty good.
:lmao2:

[StevenOtero]

I understand, but that would of worked in the 2nd movie. People know, New York and Chicago, who the **** knows Philly?They didn't shoot in Philly, it was Pittsburgh and NY.

[Christiann]

They didn't shoot in Philly, it was Pittsburgh and NY.

and Los Angeles.

[the kid 05]

They didn't shoot in Philly, it was Pittsburgh and NY.

All garbage compared to Chicago :D We just dont have that many bridges so there wouldn't have been the isolation for the bomb tactic to work

[187beatdown]

Bane, to me, was a much more complex and shocking villain than the Joker.

Until you find out his story is actually someone else's at the very end. :(

[Hoofbite]

I actually do.

People don't realize the Joker was essentially a plot device. He had no arc. The Dark Knight was about Harvey Dent, not the Joker. Nolan has said it himself.

Bane, to me, was a much more complex and shocking villain than the Joker.

I don't think people are really comparing the "character", much more-so they are comparing the portrayal.

I think Tom Hardy did an excellent job but I also think Heath Ledger's interpretation of Joker was phenomenal.

[Lodeus]

I don't think people are really comparing the "character", much more-so they are comparing the portrayal.

I think Tom Hardy did an excellent job but I also think Heath Ledger's interpretation of Joker was phenomenal.
This.

[the kid 05]

I cant wait to read the novelization. just found out they did it for the dark knight and rises

[KoRnyBrad]

I cant wait to read the novelization. just found out they did it for the dark knight and rises

I'm reading the novelization now and while it does say Joker this and Joker that it pretty much follows the movie to a T. I read The Dark Knight and I remember it going into more detail about Harvey Dent. So far I'm not impressed, but hey it's Batman and I'll take all I can get! :laugh2: