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Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 07:47 PM
A year ago, five-time Pro Bowl center Andre Gurode reported to training camp in poor shape and was released by the Cowboys at the end of the preseason.

Backup running back Felix Jones, whose most memorable moment at this season’s camp was flunking the conditioning test, doesn’t have to worry about the same fate when the Cowboys cut the roster to 53 players this summer.

“That’s a ridiculous thought,” Jerry Jones snapped on KRLD-FM when asked if the former first-round pick’s roster spot was in jeopardy. “I’m not worried about him at all. From what I’ve seen out there, he’s got a chance to have a big year for us.”


http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=dallascowboys&id=4696058

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 07:49 PM
Wow Mr. Jones, just wow.

I'm indifferent on if F. Jones should stay or not but how do you Guarantee a spot for a guy who laughs when he drops passes and doesn't bother to come to camp in shape.

Wow, yeah GM isn't a significant issue on this team.

AdamJT13
08-21-2012, 07:52 PM
Jones is by far one of the top two running backs on our roster. Why would his roster spot be in jeopardy?

Hoofbite
08-21-2012, 08:02 PM
Jones is by far one of the top two running backs on our roster. Why would his roster spot be in jeopardy?

Broaddus started this fire, didn't he?

Bluestang
08-21-2012, 08:04 PM
Wow Mr. Jones, just wow.

I'm indifferent on if F. Jones should stay or not but how do you Guarantee a spot for a guy who laughs when he drops passes and doesn't bother to come to camp in shape.

Wow, yeah GM isn't a significant issue on this team.


He played with a bum shoulder all of last season and still put up decent numbers. Instead of shutting it down all season he gave his all for the team.

Due to his injury he couldn't participate in offseason workouts. His first priority was to rehab his shoulder.

Your arguement falls short of facts.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:05 PM
Jones is by far one of the top two running backs on our roster. Why would his roster spot be in jeopardy?

Personally don't think he should be saying that period. You don't even hint at it for player who has appeared to be nonchalant about his preparation and performance so far this year, or a player at a position that is so easily replaceable.

I'd have less issue if he said it about someone who was actually irreplaceable like Witten, Ware, or Romo. Even then I don't think he should say it. It sends the wrong message.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:11 PM
He played with a bum shoulder all of last season and still put up decent numbers. Instead of shutting it down all season he gave his all for the team.

Due to his injury he couldn't participate in offseason workouts. His first priority was to rehab his shoulder.

Your arguement falls short of facts.

:laugh2:

My argument isn't really so much about the player, but the comments from Mr. Jones. But yeah we need more entitlement on this team why not Felix.

Mr. Jones shouldn't say these things Publically certainly not about a player like Felix. Go ahead make excuses for him.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:18 PM
Bottom line fellas it isn't something you say when our head coach preaches competition and that contracts don't matter.

They absolutely do matter. You just don't want it out there to send a message that a guy who came into out of shape and has, by many accounts, been lazy in practice, and doesn't seem to care if he drops a pass, is guaranteed a spot.

Personally, I think what he brings to the table is replaceable. I don't see it on the roster now, but you just don't say that. As I said, it sends the wrong message.

Bluestang
08-21-2012, 08:22 PM
Bottom line fellas it isn't something you say when our head coach preaches competition and that contracts don't matter.

They absolutely do matter. You just don't want it out there to send a message that a guy who came into out of shape and has, by many accounts, been lazy in practice, and doesn't seem to care if he drops a pass, is guaranteed a spot.


Show me where he has been lazy in practice.

Show me where he doesn't care if he drops a pass.


Personally, I think what he brings to the table is replaceable. I don't see it on the roster now, but you just don't say that.


Way to contradict your argument.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:24 PM
Show me where he has been lazy in practice.

Show me where he doesn't care if he drops a pass.
showing up out of shape laughing when he drops passes.




Way to contradict your argument.

What?

RoyTheHammer
08-21-2012, 08:30 PM
Wow Mr. Jones, just wow.

I'm indifferent on if F. Jones should stay or not but how do you Guarantee a spot for a guy who laughs when he drops passes and doesn't bother to come to camp in shape.

Wow, yeah GM isn't a significant issue on this team.

:rolleyes:

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:33 PM
Jones is by far one of the top two running backs on our roster. Why would his roster spot be in jeopardy?

cause the stupidity of many fans is insatiable.

he now wears the target and must bear the brunt of their ignorance.

Galian Beast
08-21-2012, 08:34 PM
Like Adam said, in terms of competition it's not even close. It's like saying Romo's spot is guaranteed... it's obvious to most, so I don't see why there is a problem here.

When some players laugh at their mistakes, it's almost certainly a nervous reaction, and not something that should be construed to be having humorous intentions.

Felix is playing, Mike Jenkins is not. And that's not a slam on Jenkins, rather to say, give Felix a break.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:34 PM
:rolleyes:

Great contribution. :rolleyes:

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:34 PM
Personally don't think he should be saying that period. You don't even hint at it for player who has appeared to be nonchalant about his preparation and performance so far this year, or a player at a position that is so easily replaceable.

I'd have less issue if he said it about someone who was actually irreplaceable like Witten, Ware, or Romo. Even then I don't think he should say it. It sends the wrong message.

and how many practices have you been to? how many team meetings?

how people can get this kind of depth off twitter amazes me.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:37 PM
Like Adam said, in terms of competition it's not even close. It's like saying Romo's spot is guaranteed... it's obvious to most, so I don't see why there is a problem here.

When some players laugh at their mistakes, it's almost certainly a nervous reaction, and not something that should be construed to be having humorous intentions.

Felix is playing, Mike Jenkins is not. And that's not a slam on Jenkins, rather to say, give Felix a break.

Fair enough, I didnt look at it like that.

I just don't think you should say it. Especially when Coach Garrett is all about earning your spot. It sends a bad message in my opinion. I wouldn't want him to say it about Romo either. I'd understand it more, but I still think it isn't the right thing to do.

CowboysPhan
08-21-2012, 08:38 PM
[quote=Howardlittleton64;4679417]showing up out of shape laughing when he drops passes.


Not trying to make excuses for him, but it's been documented why he showed up out of shape. As for laughing when he drops passes, I personally always laugh when I mess up in front of people. Not because I don't care, it's just my own way of reacting to embarrassment. I'd be willing to bet that's his reaction, too. I've never seen any athlete get to this level and actually not care whether he catches passes or not. That is not his reputation, and I'm not buying that he suddenly just woke up and said I don't care whether I'm any good anymore or not.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:39 PM
cause the stupidity of many fans is insatiable.

he now wears the target and must bear the brunt of their ignorance.

and how many practices have you been to? how many team meetings?

how people can get this kind of depth off twitter amazes me.

:laugh2:
You mad bro?

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:40 PM
:laugh2:
You mad bro?

not at all. rage on man.

i just find it ignorant many fans have to find a pet cat to hate and start making crap up about them cause they read a headline on twitter.

so unless you've been to the camp and have firsthand knowledge, tell me where you get your info from that he's so not caring about playing well.

on second thought, nevermind.

fifaguy
08-21-2012, 08:41 PM
A year ago, five-time Pro Bowl center Andre Gurode reported to training camp in poor shape and was released by the Cowboys at the end of the preseason.

Backup running back Felix Jones, whose most memorable moment at this season’s camp was flunking the conditioning test, doesn’t have to worry about the same fate when the Cowboys cut the roster to 53 players this summer.

“That’s a ridiculous thought,” Jerry Jones snapped on KRLD-FM when asked if the former first-round pick’s roster spot was in jeopardy. “I’m not worried about him at all. From what I’ve seen out there, he’s got a chance to have a big year for us.”


http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=dallascowboys&id=4696058

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n319/gangsta_monster/gifs/tumblr_lepz52dDEm1qzcv2i.gif

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:41 PM
[quote=Howardlittleton64;4679417]showing up out of shape laughing when he drops passes.


Not trying to make excuses for him, but it's been documented why he showed up out of shape. As for laughing when he drops passes, I personally always laugh when I mess up in front of people. Not because I don't care, it's just my own way of reacting to embarrassment. I'd be willing to bet that's his reaction, too. I've never seen any athlete get to this level and actually not care whether he catches passes or not. That is not his reputation, and I'm not buying that he suddenly just woke up and said I don't care whether I'm any good anymore or not.
Fair enough re the dropped passes.

I don't buy the excuse for being out of shape at the start of camp.

CowboysPhan
08-21-2012, 08:43 PM
This may just be semantics, but I don't see this as Jerry saying Felix's job is guaranteed. He just said he thinks it's ridiculous that anyone watching would think his job is in jeopardy. In other words, in Jerry's opinion, Felix looks great, and he thinks he's about to have a great year. He didn't say, No matter how bad Felix plays his spot is guaranteed. He's just saying he thinks Felix is still playing well enough to be the 2nd rb. Obviously anyone is free to disagree with him. :D

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:44 PM
This may just be semantics, but I don't see this as Jerry saying Felix's job is guaranteed. He just said he thinks it's ridiculous that anyone watching would think his job is in jeopardy. In other words, in Jerry's opinion, Felix looks great, and he thinks he's about to have a great year. He didn't say, No matter how bad Felix plays his spot is guaranteed. He's just saying he thinks Felix is still playing well enough to be the 2nd rb. Obviously anyone is free to disagree with him. :D

people tend to hear what they want to hear. if you re-read the quote, i think you've got a good assessment of what jones meant.

some people just can only think in extremes.

black or white.

regardless of a million shades of grey in the inbetween.

CowboysPhan
08-21-2012, 08:45 PM
[quote=CowboysPhan;4679442]
Fair enough re the dropped passes.

I don't buy the excuse for being out of shape at the start of camp.

Fair enough as well. I don't know whether he had ample opportunity to get in shape or not. He may well have and just didn't get it done. I have no way of knowing that.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:45 PM
not at all. rage on man.

i just find it ignorant many fans have to find a pet cat to hate and start making crap up about them cause they read a headline on twitter.

so unless you've been to the camp and have firsthand knowledge, tell me where you get your info from that he's so not caring about playing well.

on second thought, nevermind.

I hate no one. Because I think he is replaceable doesn't mean I hate him. I'd be fine with him on the roster. I just don't think Mr. Jones should be saying those things about any player and certainly not someone like Felix.

Bluestang
08-21-2012, 08:45 PM
showing up out of shape laughing when he drops passes.


Can you please provide us with specific instances of where he said he didn't care when he dropped a pass?


Or can you provide us with his rehab regimen that was perscribed to him in the offseason?





What?


You said that he was replaceable but you also said that you don't see that same skill set on the roster. What?

If you can replace him that means someone on the roster can fulfill his duties but yet you don't see anyone on the roster that can do that. Even Jerry Jones is laughing at your couch-GM skills.

speedkilz88
08-21-2012, 08:45 PM
No backup RB on the roster has even threatened Tanner's 3rd spot let alone Felix's spot.

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:47 PM
I hate no one. Because I think he is replaceable doesn't mean I hate him. I'd be fine with him on the roster. I just don't think Mr. Jones should be saying those things about any player and certainly not someone like Felix.

then stop the agenda building.

CowboysPhan
08-21-2012, 08:47 PM
No backup RB on the roster has even threatened Tanner's 3rd spot let alone Felix's spot.


I agree.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:48 PM
Can you please provide us with specific instances of where he said he didn't care when he dropped a pass?


Or can you provide us with his rehab regimen that was perscribed to him in the offseason?







You said that he was replaceable but you also said that you don't see that same skill set on the roster. What?

If you can replace him that means someone on the roster can fulfill his duties but yet you don't see anyone on the roster that can do that. Even Jerry Jones is laughing at your couch-GM skills.
Come back when you're serious.

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:49 PM
Come back when you're serious.

you're the one making up this stupid accusations about felix w/o proof.

upset people are not falling for it?

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:52 PM
No backup RB on the roster has even threatened Tanner's 3rd spot let alone Felix's spot.

But does Mr. Jones need to imply his spot is safe or guaranteed? No, it sends the wrong message. It Helps create a sense of entitlement with the players. That sense of entitlement is what I think has been wrong with this team for years. Something I think Mr. Jones unwittingly promotes by his comments.

iceberg
08-21-2012, 08:52 PM
But does Mr. Jones need to imply his spot is safe or guaranteed? No, it sends the wrong message. It Helps create a sense of entitlement with the players. That sense of entitlement is what I think has been wrong with this team for years. Something I think Mr. Jones unwittingly promotes by his comments.

check please.

tupperware
08-21-2012, 08:53 PM
Not sure where the Felix hate came from myself. Yeah it's a little disappointing that he seems to have a little bit of the Roy Williams smile after a mistake disease and yeah it kinda sucked he showed up out of shape.

Still, he has had some very good numbers with us. Just because Murray emerged doesn't mean Felix has to now suck.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:53 PM
you're the one making up this stupid accusations about felix w/o proof.

upset people are not falling for it?

Not upset I answered his questions, his other comments were stupid. I thought what I posted was kinder then saying that to him.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:55 PM
then stop the agenda building.

What agenda?

My message is clear what Mr. Jones said was wrong.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 08:57 PM
Not sure where the Felix hate came from myself. Yeah it's a little disappointing that he seems to have a little bit of the Roy Williams smile after a mistake disease and yeah it kinda sucked he showed up out of shape.

Still, he has had some very good numbers with us. Just because Murray emerged doesn't mean Felix has to now suck.

No hate, and I never said he sucked. I'm indifferent on his status with the team. If he stays great. If he goes oh well. The point is Mr. Jones shouldn't be saying that or implying that Publically.

Bluestang
08-21-2012, 08:57 PM
Come back when you're serious.


How about you provide some facts to back up what you say?

The only thing you have provided is generalizations that are exhibited from your personal displeasure of Felix Jones.


So I guess maybe you can comeback when you are serious.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 09:02 PM
How about you provide some facts to back up what you say?

The only thing you have provided is generalizations that are exhibited from your personal displeasure of Felix Jones.


So I guess maybe you can comeback when you are serious.

You are all offended about Felix, that isn't even the point behind the discussion. I have repeatedly stated what my point was. When you want to discuss that by all means come back and discuss it.

To the response to your inane question I gave you two examples already, but again that really isn't the point.

28 Joker
08-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Rafael Vela (Cowboys Nation) and Bryan Broaddus (Dallas Cowboys.com) have both put out multiple, positive reports in regards to Felix Jones' play. If anyone wants to know how Jones has looked during training camp, you sure are barking up the wrong tree with Tim MacMahon and Calvin Watkins (ESPN Dallas).

If you feed off ESPN Dallas' extremely biased agenda, you are probably right at home.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 09:11 PM
Rafael Vela (Cowboys Nation) and Bryan Broaddus (Dallas Cowboys.com) have both put out multiple, positive reports in regards to Felix Jones' play. If you want to know how Jones has looked during training camp, you sure are barking up the wrong tree with Tim MacMahon and Calvin Watkins (ESPN Dallas).

If you feed off ESPN Dallas' biased agenda, you are probably right at home.

Again this is less about Felix and more about Mr. Jones.

Bluestang
08-21-2012, 09:13 PM
You are all offended about Felix, that isn't even the point behind the discussion. I have repeatedly stated what my point was. When you want to discuss that by all means come back and discuss it.

To the response to your inane question I gave you two examples already, but again that really isn't the point.


Your two examples fall short because you want to generalize that Felix "doesn't care" based on him smiling after a dropped pass.

If that's the case then by your standards Miles Austin didn't care either when he missed that Romo pass in the 1st Giants game.

Lots of pass catchers smile when they drop a pass. Romo used to laugh off interceptions and the media crucified him for that.


Your second example of Felix being out of shape lacks substance. You automatically assume that he came into camp out shape and didn't care but you don't want to acknowledge that he had an injury that limited his offseason workouts. Without having first hand knowledge of the situation or his rehab regimen you automatically assumed that he didn't care because he was out of shape.

Cowboys22
08-21-2012, 09:15 PM
Jones is by far one of the top two running backs on our roster. Why would his roster spot be in jeopardy?

First time I ever think I disagree with Adam. Coming into camp, yes, everyone expected Jones to be a top two RB but he has not played anywhere near that and his lethargic attitude better change quick or it would be beyond stupid to keep him. If he plays like he has so far he will be a drive killer. Dropping swing passes on 3rd down? Is that what we want to see. If he doesn't change in the next two weeks, I'd much rather go with Tanner or a veteran pickup if something happened to Murray. Cutting Jones would send a huge message to the team. You act like you don't care and you can not care somewhere else. I don't care one bit about past stats. What are you doing today to help the team win? The answer right now for Jones is "nothing".

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 09:17 PM
Your two examples fall short because you want to generalize that Felix "doesn't care" based on him smiling after a dropped pass.

If that's the case then by your standards Miles Austin didn't care either when he missed that Romo pass in the 1st Giants game.

Lots of pass catchers smile when they drop a pass. Romo used to laugh off interceptions and the media crucified him for that.


Your second example of Felix being out of shape lacks substance. You automatically assume that he came into camp out shape and didn't care but you don't want to acknowledge that he had an injury that limited his offseason workouts. Without having first hand knowledge of the situation or his rehab regimen you automatically assumed that he didn't care because he was out of shape.
:laugh2:
When you want to participate in the real discussion let me know

CowboyMike
08-21-2012, 09:18 PM
Jones is by far one of the top two running backs on our roster. Why would his roster spot be in jeopardy?

Because people want to cut good players for the sake of cutting them.

Howardlittleton64
08-21-2012, 09:26 PM
Because people want to cut good players for the sake of cutting them.

Oh good God!

No one said that. That isn't even what the thread or discussion was meant to be about. That is my fault for illustrating why I thought Mr. Jones comments were wrong specifically pertaining to Felix (since that is who he was discussing) and in general wrong to say for any player.

Clearly folks can't distinguish what the real discussion is about.

Bluestang
08-21-2012, 09:33 PM
:laugh2:
When you want to participate in the real discussion let me know


When you want to stop making generalizations then we can continue.


Jerry has every right to say who is guaranteed a starting spot and who is not, espcially when a ridiculous thought is addressed and put to bed.


Let's be real here, all you wanted to do was push your Jerry hate agenda and bash Felix Jones in the process.

gimmesix
08-21-2012, 09:34 PM
Personally don't think he should be saying that period. You don't even hint at it for player who has appeared to be nonchalant about his preparation and performance so far this year, or a player at a position that is so easily replaceable.

I'd have less issue if he said it about someone who was actually irreplaceable like Witten, Ware, or Romo. Even then I don't think he should say it. It sends the wrong message.

Appearances can be deceiving. There have never been any qualms about Jones' preparation and effort in the past. Coming off a shoulder surgery that kept him from working like normal, he fails a conditioning test and fans start thinking of him as a lazy bum or malcontent.

Some members of this fan base are so uninformed and fickle.

What's funny to me is that Garrett has all but guaranteed his spot prior to this, but those who dislike Jones (either or both in this case) appear to want to turn a blind eye to that.

67CowboysFan
08-21-2012, 09:38 PM
Oh good God!

No one said that. That isn't even what the thread or discussion was meant to be about. That is my fault for illustrating why I thought Mr. Jones comments were wrong specifically pertaining to Felix (since that is who he was discussing) and in general wrong to say for any player.

Clearly folks can't distinguish what the real discussion is about.
I can and you are missing one important part. Jerry told the media that Felix has made the team. He didn't mention other names that fall in that category but I'll take a guess at a few of them. Romo, Witten, Ware, Spencer, Butler, Carr, Claiborne, Lee....... Get the point?

Vanilla2
08-21-2012, 09:51 PM
Would you have preferred Felix taken the mike Jenkins route in his rehab?

Because we all know how well he's doing.

cowboyeric8
08-21-2012, 10:09 PM
This board is unbelievable at times. I completely understand why so many good posters don't post anymore. And sadly it weakens the board.

iceberg
08-21-2012, 10:13 PM
You are all offended about Felix, that isn't even the point behind the discussion. I have repeatedly stated what my point was. When you want to discuss that by all means come back and discuss it.

To the response to your inane question I gave you two examples already, but again that really isn't the point.


felix doesn't offend me.

you're "generic must be true" views...

do.

iceberg
08-21-2012, 10:14 PM
This board is unbelievable at times. I completely understand why so many good posters don't post anymore. And sadly it weakens the board.

when you cater to the least common demonator

you get the least common demonator.

Hoofbite
08-21-2012, 10:21 PM
This board is unbelievable at times. I completely understand why so many good posters don't post anymore. And sadly it weakens the board.

Anyone who doesn't post because they can't handle a differing opinion, no matter how ridiculous, is pretty weak.

There's an ignore feature and plenty of free will to determine which threads to read.

CowboyMike
08-21-2012, 11:13 PM
when you cater to the least common demonator

you get the least common demonator.

Amen.

rocyaice
08-21-2012, 11:25 PM
If any other team decided to even think about getting rid of a young, cheap running back that averages over 5 yards a carry we would be calling them idiots. But for some reason Cowboy fans want himg one.

I'm not much of a fan of Jerry admitting that to the public but hopefully Felix takes this as motivation.

rocyaice
08-21-2012, 11:28 PM
Anyone who doesn't post because they can't handle a differing opinion, no matter how ridiculous, is pretty weak.

There's an ignore feature and plenty of free will to determine which threads to read.

I can understand though why someone wouldn't want to get a headache from reading some of the garbage some people state on here. It makes more sense to leave the site and get away from it rather than stay on here and continue to endure the pain.

Blast From The Past
08-21-2012, 11:34 PM
He played with a bum shoulder all of last season and still put up decent numbers. Instead of shutting it down all season he gave his all for the team.

Due to his injury he couldn't participate in offseason workouts. His first priority was to rehab his shoulder.

Your arguement falls short of facts.It amazes me at how many fans forget the shoulder injury and the surgery he went through in the off season. They skip over that part and make it seem like Jones came to camp lazy and unmotivated.

gimmesix
08-21-2012, 11:39 PM
when you cater to the least common demonator

you get the least common demonator.

What's a demonator? Someone who kills demons?

I would think those are always the least common.

Howardlittleton64
08-22-2012, 12:01 AM
I can and you are missing one important part. Jerry told the media that Felix has made the team. He didn't mention other names that fall in that category but I'll take a guess at a few of them. Romo, Witten, Ware, Spencer, Butler, Carr, Claiborne, Lee....... Get the point?

It doesn't need to be said about any player and that is the point. You can give Mr. Jones a pass on that I can't. It creates a sense of entitlement. Another poster said Coach Garrett said the same thing; I don't think he should be saying it at this point either. Get the point?

rocyaice
08-22-2012, 12:14 AM
It doesn't need to be said about any player and that is the point. You can give Mr. Jones a pass on that I can't. It creates a sense of entitlement. Another poster said Coach Garrett said the same thing; I don't think he should be saying it at this point either. Get the point?


How can anyone have a sense of entitlement in the NFL though where contracts aren't guaranteed? Felix is in his contract year. If he doesn't realize this is a show and prove year and we don't get the best he has to offer? He simply never will get it. This is the most important year of his career.

CowboysYanksLakers
08-22-2012, 12:17 AM
Once he's back in shape Felix Jones will be a real weapon.

jazzcat22
08-22-2012, 09:05 AM
Wow Mr. Jones, just wow.

I'm indifferent on if F. Jones should stay or not but how do you Guarantee a spot for a guy who laughs when he drops passes and doesn't bother to come to camp in shape.

Wow, yeah GM isn't a significant issue on this team.


Many players laugh or smile when things don't always go right...it's an emotional response, and we don't know what they are thinking. It is just the way some people react at the moment.

Seven
08-22-2012, 09:11 AM
cause the stupidity of many fans is insatiable.

he now wears the target and must bear the brunt of their ignorance.


Close, ice. The target is on the poster. He wears the ignorance title. Ironically enough, Felix has nothing to to with it. Just sayin.

RoyTheHammer
08-22-2012, 09:16 AM
Great contribution. :rolleyes:

With that one emoticon, i've delivered more logic and substance to this thread than you have in 20 posts, sir.

CATCH17
08-22-2012, 09:51 AM
Once he's back in shape Felix Jones will be a real weapon.

Felix needs to feel some pressure and Jerry giving him his stamp of approval isn't a positive imo.

CATCH17
08-22-2012, 09:53 AM
Broaddus started this fire, didn't he?

It's not like Felix is helping his cause.

burmafrd
08-22-2012, 10:29 AM
After saying that no player will be on the roster without RedBalls OK, this kind of undercuts that.

Doomsday101
08-22-2012, 10:31 AM
After saying that no player will be on the roster without RedBalls OK, this kind of undercuts that.

Not when Garrett is saying the same thing in terms of getting Felix ready for NY. Cowboys have no intention of releasing Jones leaving only Murray and a handful of no bodies.

ravidubey
08-22-2012, 12:29 PM
Jerry has every right to say who is guaranteed a starting spot and who is not, espcially when a ridiculous thought is addressed and put to bed.

Let's be real here, all you wanted to do was push your Jerry hate agenda and bash Felix Jones in the process.

Jerry never said Felix Jones was guaranteed a roster spot. From what I read, he said

It would be ridiculous to cut Felix based on his failed physical ala Andre Gurode.
He expected big things from Jones (yet again) this year.There's nothing outrageous about either point. The word "guaranteed" just fanned the flames of Jerry-hate and spun this whole thread into a billion posts.

Just like MacMahon wanted it to.

Everyone knows I'm no fan of Jerral as GM, but even he can't be blamed for something he didn't say.

Mr_Bill
08-22-2012, 09:51 PM
:laugh2:
When you want to participate in the real discussion let me know

What real discussion? It takes at least two to have one, and you have gone missing.

Just laughing off a serious response to your points does not win an argument or add to your credibility. It only indicates that you have nothing to counter.

iceberg
08-22-2012, 11:35 PM
After saying that no player will be on the roster without RedBalls OK, this kind of undercuts that.

yea, cause a random comment overrides common sense and give people forum fodder.

if garrett said tomorrow 'he's go to go' he'd be gone.

people just look for **** where it doesn't exist.

baj1dallas
08-22-2012, 11:42 PM
Bottom line fellas it isn't something you say when our head coach preaches competition and that contracts don't matter.

They absolutely do matter. You just don't want it out there to send a message that a guy who came into out of shape and has, by many accounts, been lazy in practice, and doesn't seem to care if he drops a pass, is guaranteed a spot.

Personally, I think what he brings to the table is replaceable. I don't see it on the roster now, but you just don't say that. As I said, it sends the wrong message.

Where does Jerry say that Felix is staying because of his contract?

iceberg
08-22-2012, 11:43 PM
Where does Jerry say that Felix is staying because of his contract?

he didn't.

but for some resaon we give idiots a free pass out of some senseless guilt of PC life we should have left behind long ago.

28 Joker
08-23-2012, 12:42 AM
"But Jones’ effectiveness has decreased as his role – and body – have gotten bigger over the last couple of years".

Tim MacMahon


Fact 1:

Felix Jones has consistently played in the 215 range. This is just one of the DFW media's extremely biased, absurd, delusional talking points. Jones was listed at 216 in 2009, but he stated in an early October 2010 interview (with an Oklahoma media outlet) that he averaged 215 in 2009. In that same 2010 interview, Jones stated that he was at 215. This was right around the Titans game, and Jones rushed for 109 yards in that game. In 2011, Jones was listed at 217, but he plays right at that 215 mark.

In 2009, Felix was listed at 216. Jones said in the interview that he averaged 215 in 2009. Here are Jones' 2009 stats (16 games; including 2 playoff games).

146-902-4 (6.2 YPC; LG 73T)

169-1073-4 (6.3 YPT; LG 73T)

202-1799-4 (All-Purpose Yards)

Felix sure has some explosive 2009 statistics, and his average weight was 215 in 2009.


Fact 2:

When the Cowboys have given Felix Jones the opportunity to rush the football in the double digits, Jones has delivered the goods:

315-1593 (5.1 YPC)/ 22 career double digit carry games; including playoffs

Felix Jones' Career Rushing Statistics:

488-2543 (5.2 YPC) 50 Career Games; including 2 playoff games

63% of Jones' career rushing yards have come in those 22 double digit carry games, so Felix produced more when he averaged 14.3 carries per game. Notice Jones' YPC in those 22 double digit rush games. It sure looks like 5.1 YPC to me.


Fact 3:

2010 may have been Felix Jones' best year, and Jones faced significant adversity on multiple fronts. Again, Jones stated that his weight was at 215 in an early 2010 October interview (around the Titans game; a 109 yard rushing game for Felix).

In 2010, despite running behind a significantly deteriorated offensive line, which saw 3 starters re-leased the following year, Jones rushed for 800 yards (185 rushes). Jones only averaged 9 touches per game during 6 of the first 8 games of 2010. When Jason Garrett took over the team, he increased Jones' rushes and touches. Felix averaged 14 rushes per game and 17 touches per game (during the last 8 games of 2010). The Cowboys went 5-3, but they should have been 7-1.

Jones hung 112-498 (4.44 YPC) up during the last 8 games of 2010. Felix was on a 1,000 yard rushing pace during those last 8 games, and most of that running was done inside, between the tackles. Jason Garrett has documented Jones' very good inside running. If Tyron Smith would have been on that offensive line, Felix would have highly most likely busted 1,000 yards rushing.

The right side of Dallas' offensive line was horrendous (Davis and Colombo), so Jason Garrett had to use the screen game to get Felix outside. It worked, because Felix caught 48-450-1 (LG 71T). Jones led the NFL in catch rate (92%), and Felix rated 5th (in the NFL) in Yards After Catch and 3rd in the NFC. Jones' YAC per target was 1st (ahead of LeSean McCoy). Jones averaged almost a full 2.5 more YAC per target than McCoy did.

Felix Jones 2010 Total Yards From Scrimmage Statistics:

233-1250-2 (5.4 YPT; LG 71T)

Felix Jones 2010 Last 8 Games Total Yards From Scrimmage:

136-791-2 (5.8 YPT)

63% of Felix Jones' total yards from scrimmage were accrued during the last 8 games of 2010. 58% of Jones' offensive touches occurred during those last 8 games, too. So, when Jason Garrett increased Jones' touches to 17 per game, Felix Jones produced more. Felix Jones was on a 1582 total yards from scrimmage pace after the last 8 games of 2010.

How many Pinocchios does this article deserve? If the DFW media had noses which did grow when they didn't tell the truth about Felix Jones, they wouldn't be able to go anywhere. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....

28 Joker
08-23-2012, 02:28 AM
"But Jones’ effectiveness has decreased as his role – and body – have gotten bigger over the last couple of years".

Tim MacMahon


Fact 1:

Felix Jones has consistently played in the 215 range. This is just one of the DFW media's extremely biased, absurd, delusional talking points. Jones was listed at 216 in 2009, but he stated in an early October 2010 interview (with an Oklahoma media outlet) that he averaged 215 in 2009. In that same 2010 interview, Jones stated that he was at 215. This was right around the Titans game, and Jones rushed for 109 yards in that game. In 2011, Jones was listed at 217, but he plays right at that 215 mark.

In 2009, Felix was listed at 216. Jones said in the interview that he averaged 215 in 2009. Here are Jones' 2009 stats (16 games; including 2 playoff games).

146-902-4 (6.2 YPC; LG 73T)

169-1073-4 (6.3 YPT; LG 73T)

202-1799-4 (All-Purpose Yards)

Felix sure has some explosive 2009 statistics, and his average weight was 215 in 2009.


Fact 2:

When the Cowboys have given Felix Jones the opportunity to rush the football in the double digits, Jones has delivered the goods:

326-1623 (5.0 YPC)/ 23 career double digit carry games; including playoffs

Felix Jones' Career Rushing Statistics:

488-2543 (5.2 YPC) 50 Career Games; including 2 playoff games

64% of Jones' career rushing yards have come in those 23 double digit carry games, so Felix produced more when he averaged 14.1 carries per game. Notice Jones' YPC in those 23 double digit rush games. It sure looks like 5.0 YPC to me.


Fact 3:

2010 may have been Felix Jones' best year, and Jones faced significant adversity on multiple fronts. Again, Jones stated that his weight was at 215 in an early 2010 October interview (around the Titans game; a 109 yard rushing game for Felix).

In 2010, despite running behind a significantly deteriorated offensive line, which saw 3 starters re-leased the following year, Jones rushed for 800 yards (185 rushes). Jones only averaged 9 touches per game during 6 of the first 8 games of 2010. When Jason Garrett took over the team, he increased Jones' rushes and touches. Felix averaged 14 rushes per game and 17 touches per game (during the last 8 games of 2010). The Cowboys went 5-3, but they should have been 7-1.

Jones hung 112-498 (4.44 YPC) up during the last 8 games of 2010. Felix was on a 1,000 yard rushing pace during those last 8 games, and most of that running was done inside, between the tackles. Jason Garrett has documented Jones' very good inside running. If Tyron Smith would have been on that offensive line, Felix would have highly most likely busted 1,000 yards rushing.

The right side of Dallas' offensive line was horrendous (Davis and Colombo), so Jason Garrett had to use the screen game to get Felix outside. It worked, because Felix caught 48-450-1 (LG 71T). Jones led the NFL in catch rate (92%), and Felix rated 5th (in the NFL) in Yards After Catch and 3rd in the NFC. Jones' YAC per target was 1st (ahead of LeSean McCoy). Jones averaged almost a full 2.5 more YAC per target than McCoy did.

Felix Jones 2010 Total Yards From Scrimmage Statistics:

233-1250-2 (5.4 YPT; LG 71T)

Felix Jones 2010 Last 8 Games Total Yards From Scrimmage:

136-791-2 (5.8 YPT)

63% of Felix Jones' total yards from scrimmage were accrued during the last 8 games of 2010. 58% of Jones' offensive touches occurred during those last 8 games, too. So, when Jason Garrett increased Jones' touches to 17 per game, Felix Jones produced more. Felix Jones was on a 1582 total yards from scrimmage pace after the last 8 games of 2010.

How many Pinocchios does this article deserve? If the DFW media had noses which did grow when they didn't tell the truth about Felix Jones, they wouldn't be able to go anywhere. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....

Correction:

For some reason, I left off the last Giants game of 2011. It was Jones' 23rd double digit rush game. Jones rushed 11-30 in that game. No wonder I wanted to forget that one. I do apologize. The run blocking was putrid in that game. Anyway, the adjustments are in blue, but the facts remain the same.

burmafrd
08-23-2012, 07:18 AM
yea, cause a random comment overrides common sense and give people forum fodder.

if garrett said tomorrow 'he's go to go' he'd be gone.

people just look for **** where it doesn't exist.

and some people are like ostriches

DFWJC
08-23-2012, 08:50 AM
Yeah, I was listening to the radio when he gave that interview. He was pretty emphatic.

Assuming he is rounding into shape, then he does have a point. It' not like he's real expensive and he's entering a contract year. Easy to see why Jerry thnks he should get decent bang for the buck this year at least. I tend to agree.

I hadn't really looked at the thread except for the OP, but I will assume that Felix' number one fan Joker28 is going nuts again. ;)

stasheroo
08-23-2012, 09:08 AM
I'm more intersested in seeing what happens with Felix Jones after this season.

I think the team's actions after he's no longer under contract will speak much more loudly than anything that's happening now.

My bet is that we'll see not one, not two, but three former 1st round draft picks exiting Dallas in 2013.

Mr_Bill
08-23-2012, 11:00 AM
and some people are like ostriches

And some people like to play Chicken Little.

Neither are particularly useful.

DallasEast
08-23-2012, 11:15 AM
A year ago, five-time Pro Bowl center Andre Gurode reported to training camp in poor shape and was released by the Cowboys at the end of the preseason.Have we reached the end of the 2012 preseason? Nope.

So, Mr. MacMahon, the logical course of action is creating an article, which incorrectly compares Andre Gurode's 2011 final preseason fate and Felix Jones' current mid-preseason circumstances. Brilliant.

Why couldn't you wait until the end of this preseason to publish this article, Mr. MacMahon? Think Felix Jones will get CUT before you got the opportunity to do so?

Media. :rolleyes:

TwoDeep3
08-23-2012, 11:47 AM
When did the head coach guarantee that spot?

The final decision maker just did, but when did Red sign off?

Nice motivating technique, Jerry.

And people wonder why some find his comments to be a little absurd.

Jerry "Madden 2012" Jones just made a final decision for the team.

Zordon
08-23-2012, 12:55 PM
jerry keeps undermining jason's philosophy of running a tight ship. i have no idea what good comes out of him saying this.

stasheroo
08-23-2012, 01:18 PM
jerry keeps undermining jason's philosophy of running a tight ship. i have no idea what good comes out of him saying this.

Three little letters that do a lot of damage:

e-g-o

28 Joker
08-23-2012, 03:29 PM
Pro Football Focus did a three year analysis to determine the most elusive running backs in the NFL (2009-2011).

You can read about their elusive ratings here:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/01/three-years-of-the-elusive-rating/

Well, well, well....

Who is rated in the top 10?

Felix Jones

cowboyeric8
08-23-2012, 04:18 PM
Holy "overreaction to everything Jerry says" Batman!

DallasEast
08-23-2012, 04:29 PM
Holy "overreaction to everything Jerry says" Batman!
Ever see the animated movie Up? In the film, dogs wear electronic collars which allow them to speak.

A dog is carrying on a conversation with a person. Suddenly something catches his eye and he yells, "Squirrel!" Every time Jerry Jones has a microphone stuck in his face, some folks' immediate reaction is, "Jerruh!"

Same thing. :)

Mr_Bill
08-23-2012, 10:35 PM
Ever see the animated movie Up? In the film, dogs wear electronic collars which allow them to speak.

A dog is carrying on a conversation with a person. Suddenly something catches his eye and he yells, "Squirrel!" Every time Jerry Jones has a microphone stuck in his face, some folks' immediate reaction is, "Jerruh!"

Same thing. :)

This is great for the Jerry haters. Now, when Felix doesn't get cut, they can say, "See, Jerruh forced him onto the team against the coaches' good judgment," ignoring the probability that Jerry Jones is likely just parroting what the coaches have been saying in meetings throughout training camp. Then every time Felix Jones drops a pass or gets stuffed at the line, they can reopen their rants.

Since, with Murray's skills, Jones will only be a backup and part-time player, and is unlikely to win any Pro Bowl honors, ten years from now, we will still be hearing how Jerry screwed up the team by overturning his coaches' opinions on Felix.

CCBoy
08-23-2012, 10:51 PM
"But Jones’ effectiveness has decreased as his role – and body – have gotten bigger over the last couple of years".

Tim MacMahon


Fact 1:

Felix Jones has consistently played in the 215 range. This is just one of the DFW media's extremely biased, absurd, delusional talking points. Jones was listed at 216 in 2009, but he stated in an early October 2010 interview (with an Oklahoma media outlet) that he averaged 215 in 2009. In that same 2010 interview, Jones stated that he was at 215. This was right around the Titans game, and Jones rushed for 109 yards in that game. In 2011, Jones was listed at 217, but he plays right at that 215 mark.

In 2009, Felix was listed at 216. Jones said in the interview that he averaged 215 in 2009. Here are Jones' 2009 stats (16 games; including 2 playoff games).

146-902-4 (6.2 YPC; LG 73T)

169-1073-4 (6.3 YPT; LG 73T)

202-1799-4 (All-Purpose Yards)

Felix sure has some explosive 2009 statistics, and his average weight was 215 in 2009.


Fact 2:

When the Cowboys have given Felix Jones the opportunity to rush the football in the double digits, Jones has delivered the goods:

326-1623 (5.0 YPC)/ 23 career double digit carry games; including playoffs

Felix Jones' Career Rushing Statistics:

488-2543 (5.2 YPC) 50 Career Games; including 2 playoff games

64% of Jones' career rushing yards have come in those 23 double digit carry games, so Felix produced more when he averaged 14.1 carries per game. Notice Jones' YPC in those 23 double digit rush games. It sure looks like 5.0 YPC to me.


Fact 3:

2010 may have been Felix Jones' best year, and Jones faced significant adversity on multiple fronts. Again, Jones stated that his weight was at 215 in an early 2010 October interview (around the Titans game; a 109 yard rushing game for Felix).

In 2010, despite running behind a significantly deteriorated offensive line, which saw 3 starters re-leased the following year, Jones rushed for 800 yards (185 rushes). Jones only averaged 9 touches per game during 6 of the first 8 games of 2010. When Jason Garrett took over the team, he increased Jones' rushes and touches. Felix averaged 14 rushes per game and 17 touches per game (during the last 8 games of 2010). The Cowboys went 5-3, but they should have been 7-1.

Jones hung 112-498 (4.44 YPC) up during the last 8 games of 2010. Felix was on a 1,000 yard rushing pace during those last 8 games, and most of that running was done inside, between the tackles. Jason Garrett has documented Jones' very good inside running. If Tyron Smith would have been on that offensive line, Felix would have highly most likely busted 1,000 yards rushing.

The right side of Dallas' offensive line was horrendous (Davis and Colombo), so Jason Garrett had to use the screen game to get Felix outside. It worked, because Felix caught 48-450-1 (LG 71T). Jones led the NFL in catch rate (92%), and Felix rated 5th (in the NFL) in Yards After Catch and 3rd in the NFC. Jones' YAC per target was 1st (ahead of LeSean McCoy). Jones averaged almost a full 2.5 more YAC per target than McCoy did.

Felix Jones 2010 Total Yards From Scrimmage Statistics:

233-1250-2 (5.4 YPT; LG 71T)

Felix Jones 2010 Last 8 Games Total Yards From Scrimmage:

136-791-2 (5.8 YPT)

63% of Felix Jones' total yards from scrimmage were accrued during the last 8 games of 2010. 58% of Jones' offensive touches occurred during those last 8 games, too. So, when Jason Garrett increased Jones' touches to 17 per game, Felix Jones produced more. Felix Jones was on a 1582 total yards from scrimmage pace after the last 8 games of 2010.

How many Pinocchios does this article deserve? If the DFW media had noses which did grow when they didn't tell the truth about Felix Jones, they wouldn't be able to go anywhere. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....

Correction:

For some reason, I left off the last Giants game of 2011. It was Jones' 23rd double digit rush game. Jones rushed 11-30 in that game. No wonder I wanted to forget that one. I do apologize. The run blocking was putrid in that game. Anyway, the adjustments are in blue, but the facts remain the same.

Joker, keeping it real and a good flow of facts..hooah, as usual there. :)

CCBoy
08-23-2012, 10:51 PM
This is great for the Jerry haters. Now, when Felix doesn't get cut, they can say, "See, Jerruh forced him onto the team against the coaches' good judgment," ignoring the probability that Jerry Jones is likely just parroting what the coaches have been saying in meetings throughout training camp. Then every time Felix Jones drops a pass or gets stuffed at the line, they can reopen their rants.

Since, with Murray's skills, Jones will only be a backup and part-time player, and is unlikely to win any Pro Bowl honors, ten years from now, we will still be hearing how Jerry screwed up the team by overturning his coaches' opinions on Felix.

Mr. Bill, this fan is glad you are back with us and sharing. :)

28 Joker
08-23-2012, 11:29 PM
Hudson Houck called Felix Jones a "solid starter", and he stated the Cowboys "had two starters". Jonathan Stewart just received significant money to re-sign with Carolina. So, he is off the free agent market next year. Felix's numbers compare very favorably to Stewart's during the last three seasons. Both running backs have shared carries for 4 years, and Stewart was the back taken before Felix Jones.

Here are the 2009-2011 rushing yards for Felix Jones and Jonathan Stewart:

Felix Jones: 2277

Jonathan Stewart: 2664

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games are included*


Here are the 2009-2011 rushes for Felix Jones and Jonathan Stewart:

Jones: 458

Stewart: 541

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games are included*


Career Yards per Carry:

Felix Jones 5.2 YPC

Jonathan Stewart 4.8 YPC

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games included*


Career Total Yards from Scrimmage:

Felix Jones: 594-3395 (5.7 YPT)

Jonathan Stewart: 812-4253 (5.2 YPT)

*Felix Jones' 2 playoff games are included*

I'm sure Green Bay, Denver, New England, Atlanta, Detroit, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Washington, San Diego, New York Jets, Arizona, and possibly the New York Giants would probably be thrilled to see Jones free to sign with any team now.

28 Joker
08-24-2012, 12:09 AM
Position Defended:

Why compare Jones and Stewart?

Felix Jones has much more value than some think, and I used the 3-year Jonathan Stewart comparison to statistically show that. Jonathan Stewart is a very good back, and Felix Jones' numbers during the past three seasons are right there with Stewart. That is a legitimate comparison, and the numbers take any potential bias out of the equation. If people don't want to acknowledge it, they have the right to do so.

Why use the past three years (2009-2011) for the comparison?

Why do you count Felix Jones' 2 playoff games?

Felix Jones only played 6 games in 2008, and he was a leader for Rookie of the Year before he missed the final 10 games. Jones put up 30-266-3 (8.9 YPC; LG 60T). Stewart played that entire year, so comparing the past 3 years (for Jones and Stewart) makes the comparison fair to Felix Jones. Furthermore, it is the most recent 3 years, and that should matter.

In 2009, Stewart rushed the football 221 times (16 games). In 2009, Jones rushed the football 146 times during the regular and post-season (16/18 games). Adding those 2 playoff games, against 2 playoff caliber defenses, gives Felix 16 games for 2009, just like Stewart accrued. That makes the comparison for that year more fair. Jones was the 3rd leading rusher in the playoffs (30-217-1) (7.2 YPC; LG 73T). Again, those 2 games, for Felix, were played against playoff caliber defenses (Eagles and Vikings). I think any team wanting to sign Jones in free agency should acknowledge the 16/18 games. With all due respect, those games were not played against the 2011 Rams or 2011 Bills.

146-902-4 (6.2 YPC) (LG 73T)

169-1073-4 (6.3 YPT) (LG 73T)

202-1799-4 (All-Purpose Yards) (8.9 YPT)

Those are Felix Jones' real 2009 statistics (16/18 games; including 2 playoff games). If playoff performance isn't a good measure for player value, something is wrong. I'm pretty confident that Felix's agent knows those real 2009 statistics, and I'm pretty sure NFL teams will be reminded of those 2 playoff games.

Why didn't you list touchdowns?

As far as the touchdowns go, I think you fail to acknowledge Marion Barber's big contract and Tashard Choice. Moreover, how many offensive linemen were replaced after 2010? How many new offensive line positions do the Cowboys have this year? Obviously, Marion Barber was the primary red-zone back for quite a while. In 2010, Barber and Choice took a significant number of those carries; but Jones was statistically Dallas' best red-zone back. The short yardage/red-zone run blocking has been an issue for a long time. How many TDs did Murray get last year? Jones is certainly capable of punching it in if given some better red-zone run blocking. His first NFL carry was a red-zone TD (11 yards), right up the middle. That was a 9-62 game for Jones. The 2008 offensive line was significantly better than the significantly deteriorated, old 2010 line, too.

Doesn't Jonathan Stewart have a poor team or supporting cast?

The Panthers have one of the best LT and C in the NFL. Their life has been the run, so they have to be good at it. Their guard play couldn't have been worse than 2010 Davis and Kosier or 2011 Nagy/Dockery and Kosier. Plus, they didn't have a done 2010 Colombo at RT. Now, Cam Newton is there, and I expect him to become the best player in the NFL in a short time. The Panthers made the playoffs in 2008, but Stewart was a non-factor in their one game.

2010 was perhaps Jones' best year. While Felix was doing the vast majority of his damage (during the second half of the season), Jon Kitna and Stephen McGee were at QB. Miles Austin dropped 11 passes. Roy Williams was on the road to being re-leased. Dez Bryant was a rookie and was hurt in the Colts game. Again, the 2010 offensive line was significantly deteriorated and old (Davis, Colombo, and Gurode were re-leased in the off-season). Kosier could have been easily re-placed as well.

On Felix Jones' durability:

Felix has only missed 6 games during the past 3 seasons, and he has certainly proven to be more durable than given credit for. Recent history shows that. Just look at how many games some of the other high-profile running backs have missed, especially last year. It's primarily a two back league for a reason. It's a violent game, and RB is a very physically demanding position. Having said that, Felix has missed 16 games; but he has a fifth year on his contract. Before Jones hits the open market, he has an opportunity to play another season.

Production, Demand, Other Contracts, and Potential (Free Agency)

Contracts in the NFL are based off other contracts. Production plays a part in that. Felix's last three seasons compare very favorably with Stewart's last three seasons. That is a plus for Felix right now. Both players have shared carries with their respective teams. Importantly, potential is certainly a part of that evaluation, too. Again, Hudson Houck called Felix Jones a "solid starter".

I'm sure teams like Green Bay, New England, Denver, and Detroit would heavily value a player like Felix Jones. Cut Jones now, and watch those teams go after him, now. You sure can't rule out the Giants or Redskins, either.

Felix Jones sure has more value than the extremely biased Dallas media and some biased, delusional fans try to portray. Cutting one of your best players is beyond stupid, especially when the team is desperate to win now.

The football has been withheld from Jones every year in Dallas, so we shall see how many opportunities he gets this season. I think Bill Callahan could be an x-factor in Jones' favor. Certainly, that is going to be important for him before he hits the open market. Felix is certainly capable of doing extreme damage in the 150-170 rush range, and that should bolster his value in free agency. Furthermore, it keeps his already very low mileage, low.

CCBoy
08-24-2012, 04:07 AM
You've piece together a rather good comparison between offensive line productions with the Cowboys, and productions achieved. Here reflected in Felix Jones. A person could see flunctuation of line strength in transitioning as well.

I'm still in awe that Felix and Roger Staubach are the only two Cowboys in history, with over 400 career carries, and have an average of five yards or better.

That's some pretty impressive stuff, on Felix...as you point towards, in a really good job above.

Thanks for bringing a good view to sight here...:)

fifaguy
08-24-2012, 11:06 AM
Think I'd take Stewart.

Both have 4 full years in the league:
Stewart's total TDs: 29
Jones' total TDs: 10

ABQCOWBOY
08-24-2012, 11:10 AM
I don't really see the relevance of comparing Jones to Stewart. Jones was ranked 39rd in the League last year and Stewart was 25th. Those are not great production stats for either. The big difference for Stewart, he has 20 TDs in the last two seasons. Jones has 8 his entire career. Stewart is a short yardage back so he gets TDs. Stewart is also the third back in a three back attack. Newton is the 3rd back but the first option. Williams is the lead back but the second option. Stewart is the 2nd back but the third option. I understand why his production is what it is. Either way, neither are setting the world on fire.

28 Joker
08-24-2012, 03:45 PM
Felix Jones is one of the very best pass protecting running backs in the NFL. According to Pro Football Focus (during the past 3 seasons), Jones ranks in the top 10 in Pass Blocking Efficiency. When the minimum number of pass protects is 200, Jones jumps up to # 4.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/15/three-years-of-pass-blocking-efficiency-running-backs/

In contrast, Jonathan Stewart rated as the worst pass protector in the NFL (at running back; last 3 seasons).

Teams like Green Bay, Denver, New England, Detroit, Atlanta, and Cincinnati will all value Felix Jones' pass protecting skills. This is an important aspect of Jones' game which traditional stats can't measure.

CCBoy
08-25-2012, 08:01 AM
Felix Jones is one of the very best pass protecting running backs in the NFL. According to Pro Football Focus (during the past 3 seasons), Jones ranks in the top 10 in Pass Blocking Efficiency. When the minimum number of pass protects is 200, Jones jumps up to # 4.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/15/three-years-of-pass-blocking-efficiency-running-backs/

In contrast, Jonathan Stewart rated as the worst pass protector in the NFL (at running back; last 3 seasons).

Teams like Green Bay, Denver, New England, Detroit, Atlanta, and Cincinnati will all value Felix Jones' pass protecting skills. This is an important aspect of Jones' game which traditional stats can't measure.

Hang in there. And Felix does great in space. He has good receiving skills that can contribute strongly as well. He isn't overworked, and with DeMarcus Murray taking the lead on tough carries, Felix should be even more flamable in his chances. If not, then consider getting rid of him.

He is a dependable back, and does possess a lot of talent...even if it isn't top shelf as to work load.

Who ever it is he is compared to, and for what reason, he does have an average per touch above five yards. That IS impressive...;)

theogt
08-25-2012, 08:29 AM
This may just be semantics, but I don't see this as Jerry saying Felix's job is guaranteed. He just said he thinks it's ridiculous that anyone watching would think his job is in jeopardy. In other words, in Jerry's opinion, Felix looks great, and he thinks he's about to have a great year. He didn't say, No matter how bad Felix plays his spot is guaranteed. He's just saying he thinks Felix is still playing well enough to be the 2nd rb. Obviously anyone is free to disagree with him. :DThis is precisely the case. And the amount of stupidity that's been displayed recently regarding this topic is only slightly less than shocking.

28 Joker
08-25-2012, 04:39 PM
According to Pro Football Focus (during the past three seasons), Felix Jones has the 9th best drop rate among running backs. Jones moves up to # 7 when the minimum number of catchable balls is 100. From 2009-2011, Felix has 5 drops on 105 catchable passes.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/04/three-years-of-drop-rate-running-backs/

Felix Jones ranks in the top 10, and this is not surprising for a player who led the entire NFL in 2010 catch rate (48/52; 92.3%). Jones caught 48/49 catchable balls in 2010 (according to PFF).