Achy Muscles, Fatigue.

[CowboyMcCoy]

So I've been working a lot lately. That's not unusual for me. But I've found myself waking up almost every day with a sore back, hands and toes. It seemed like I was just tired from working 6 days a week. But even on days where work isn't that physically demanding recently, I've been having soreness. I'm only 36 and I feel like I'm getting old. Any advice? I was thinking of trying magnesium. A friend of mine recommended that.

[Cajuncowboy]

Not to get too personal but have you been drinking more alcohol than usual lately? I had a friend who was having soreness in his limbs and the DR. told him that alcohol that is consumed out of the normal levels that your body is accustomed to will rob your body of certain nutrients and can cause joint soreness.

I'm not a doc but it made sense when he told me.

[wittenacious]

Are you okay on the Type 2 Diabetes front, CM? Some of the symptoms you mentioned are a common part of that bad boy. Hope not. Frequent urination (sorry for being personal, though not trying to be vulgar here) is a big warning sign.

If your weight is in line, then likely not. Just throwing it out there to check off the list of possibilities.

I'm no doctor, but I did have T2 Diabetes become a part of my life in my late-30's. I wasn't crazy out of shape, but enough, when I was first diagnosed.

Body aches/pains, change of feeling in the hands and toes (feet), rougher-than-normal sleep... sorta out of it during my work day... that kind of thing. Hope it's something else and completely able to be brought back in line, in your situation.

Worth a doc visit to find out for sure.

[vta]

I wouldn't just try supplements. Get a blood to test see where you're deficient. There is a blood test that I can't remember the name of, that tests your bodies deficiencies and possible food allergies. Ask your doctor (yes I work in pharma advertising and that lousy phrase follows everything. :P)

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So I've been working a lot lately. That's not unusual for me. But I've found myself waking up almost every day with a sore back, hands and toes. It seemed like I was just tired from working 6 days a week. But even on days where work isn't that physically demanding recently, I've been having soreness. I'm only 36 and I feel like I'm getting old. Any advice? I was thinking of trying magnesium. A friend of mine recommended that.

You probably just need a holiday.

[SweCowboy]

So I've been working a lot lately. That's not unusual for me. But I've found myself waking up almost every day with a sore back, hands and toes. It seemed like I was just tired from working 6 days a week. But even on days where work isn't that physically demanding recently, I've been having soreness. I'm only 36 and I feel like I'm getting old. Any advice? I was thinking of trying magnesium. A friend of mine recommended that.

I'm no doctor either but it might be worth checking out and not just trying some supplements. Got diagnosed as T2 diabetic last year and yea it could be that, but probably not, especially if you are in decent shape. Another thing that messes up my joints is when I don't get enough fluids/salts in me and get slightly dehydrated. That can be due to consumption of coffee or alcohol since they will dehydrate you as well.

Myself I'm just starting to get into shape now since I broke my right leg about six months ago (think Radway but on an ice patch and not on the football field) and haven't really been able to work out until the last month or so due to that.

[Sam I Am]

Amputate!

[Yeagermeister]

Hydrate and eat some bananas

[vta]

Amputate!

:laugh2:

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[Rackat]

West Nile virus?

[zrinkill]

have you been drinking more alcohol than usual

:laugh2:

[WV Cowboy]

Rub some dirt on it.

[CATCH17]

Fish Oil, Multi vitamin, Extra Protein in the diet, ICe your back, Glucosamine.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Go for a hot stone massage.

[Lodeus]

You're gettin old.

[ninja]

Doesn't sound too serious. Get 8 hours of sleep every night and eat properly. Don't skip a meal. You may have caught a cold or the flu. Eat some chicken soup. Try to walk around at work every hour os so if you are sitting for long periods.

Are you taking any medication for anything?

I have a laptop and a desktop computer at work. If I use the laptop for any extensive period of time my back and shoulders become a little sore.

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm no doctor either but it might be worth checking out and not just trying some supplements. Got diagnosed as T2 diabetic last year and yea it could be that, but probably not, especially if you are in decent shape. Another thing that messes up my joints is when I don't get enough fluids/salts in me and get slightly dehydrated. That can be due to consumption of coffee or alcohol since they will dehydrate you as well.

Myself I'm just starting to get into shape now since I broke my right leg about six months ago (think Radway but on an ice patch and not on the football field) and haven't really been able to work out until the last month or so due to that.

I do drink a lot of coffee.... No alcohol though. I've been dry for years.

[CowboyMcCoy]

You're gettin old.

At 36 I'm almost over the hill. :(

[vta]

At 36 I'm almost over the hill. :(

This might help.

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[tomson75]

I just turned 37 and I have all of those symptoms and then some.

...but I think it comes from working as a full time firefighter, my part time landscaping job (summer), my part time ski patrol job (winter), rugby, and crossfit.

I take multivitamins....I guess they help, but I'd rather just take more vacations. ;)

[bsheeern]

I turned 34 feb of this year. In just the last 3 years I have broken 3 bones in my hand, all within 14 months, all separate incidents and different bones, slipped/ herniated 4 disc (l4-l5 region), had sports hernia surgery in jan of this year, have 1 partially torn rotator cuff and several bone spurs in both shoulders.

Now I play, well used to play until this year, flag football, travel and league softball. Usually workout 2-3 times a week and play basketball at the gym at least 2 times a week. Flag we practice 2-3 times a week for 2-3 hours and play a 8 week season with 1 game a week. League Softball is 3 nights a week, march-october with about 3 weeks off in august, playing double headers with 55 minute time limits. Travel softball is 25-35 weekends a year. Sometimes we play 10 minutes from my house but mostly consist of leaving on Friday after work and making it back home Sunday by 5-9pm. Usually 3-4 games on sat and 4-6 on Sunday. Hell I've played 11 in 1 day. No time limit on travel ball.

All this said I know I haven't taken care of my body nutrition wise for a few years.

Fish oil, glucosamine, protien, potassium, flax seed oil, a multivitamin for our age (NO CAffiene in the vitamin) B12/b6 are just some of the things I used to take daily.

Never been a "health freak" but most foods we can all find And afford severely lack what we need and have plenty of toxins.
Up your water intake and seen off the coffee slowly. CAffiene dehydrates you also causes a huge energy drop especially is ur using sugar. heck Splenda has chlorine in it. As does city tap water.

Get some rest, stay off your feet or get 2-3 pairs of this cheap memory foam inserts and try to eat oatmeal, protien, veggies, fruits, most smoothies are decent to.

I know I'm forgetting a ton but here's a good start.
Do some stretching everyday. 5 minutes makes as. It difference.

[Doc50]

I'm a physician, and most of these posts are crap.
There's a multitude of possible explanations for your symptoms, and you can't figure that out without professsional evaluation. See your doc, and if you don't have one, you've waited too long.

General Health Guidelines:

Don't ever take anything at someone's suggestion.

Don't take anything that hasn't been tested in large double-blind placebo-controlled trials.

The "toxin" theory is BS, unless you actually work in an industry with desginated environmental hazards or live in a fracking region.

Vitamins usually cause more harm than good; if you simply eat lots of fruits and green vegetables along with the usual fare, you'll get all the vitamins and minerals and trace elements you'll ever need. Large vitamin doses place extra burden on liver and kidneys, causing early demise.

Don't eat junk food. And all pre-prepared food items (like canned goods, frozen entre's, boxed items, condiments, etc.) contain sodium-based preservatives, which burden the kidneys with excessive daily sodium volume.

Get some daily aerobic exercise, with heart rate above 150 for at least 15 minutes. Pre & post-hydration with water is necessary; sports drinks may be needed in excessive heat.

Get at least 7 hours of daily sleep.

Moderation in all things.

If you aren't doing well, see your physician.

See your doc yearly for routine screening.

If you don't like the guy (or gal), find another one.

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm a physician, and most of these posts are crap.
There's a multitude of possible explanations for your symptoms, and you can't figure that out without professsional evaluation. See your doc, and if you don't have one, you've waited too long.

General Health Guidelines:

Don't ever take anything at someone's suggestion.

Don't take anything that hasn't been tested in large double-blind placebo-controlled trials.

The "toxin" theory is BS, unless you actually work in an industry with desginated environmental hazards or live in a fracking region.

Vitamins usually cause more harm than good; if you simply eat lots of fruits and green vegetables along with the usual fare, you'll get all the vitamins and minerals and trace elements you'll ever need. Large vitamin doses place extra burden on liver and kidneys, causing early demise.

Don't eat junk food. And all pre-prepared food items (like canned goods, frozen entre's, boxed items, condiments, etc.) contain sodium-based preservatives, which burden the kidneys with excessive daily sodium volume.

Get some daily aerobic exercise, with heart rate above 150 for at least 15 minutes. Pre & post-hydration with water is necessary; sports drinks may be needed in excessive heat.

Get at least 7 hours of daily sleep.

Moderation in all things.

If you aren't doing well, see your physician.

See your doc yearly for routine screening.

If you don't like the guy (or gal), find another one.

Thanks, Doc. I was wondering. Could not enough potassium and magnesium be a cause of this? I drink a lot, I mean more than most people, of coffee. I drink water, but only a glass or two a day. I drank magnesium citrate and I had mild stiffness as opposed to mild. I also slept in since I got today off for the game. So that could be why.

But my thoughts are that my muscles are dehydrated and crampy... Could I be right?

[CowboyFan74]

Protein shakes help with recovery, especially if you have sore muscles. I notice the difference on days that I don't drink one, personally never believed the "hype" till I tried it..

[vta]

TI drink a lot, I mean more than most people, of coffee. I drink water, but only a glass or two a day.

Ugh dude. The good doctor will tell you the perils of this habit...

[CowboyMcCoy]

Ugh dude. The good doctor will tell you the perils of this habit...

:doh:

[CATCH17]

:doh:

12 ounces of coffee a day without cream and sugar is actually good for you.


It's LOADED with Anti-Oxidants, it's good for your prostate, and it's a natural "fat burner".


If you drink it in moderation it's a good thing.

[vta]

12 ounces of coffee a day without cream and sugar is actually good for you.


It's LOADED with Anti-Oxidants, it's good for your prostate, and it's a natural "fat burner".


If you drink it in moderation it's a good thing.

I'm no doc, but moderation is not his habit and my understanding is, is that it will dehydrate in large amounts and a habit of drinking very little water.

I've never heard it's good for the prostate either. At 44 getting the old prostate checked is typical and my urologist told me to avoid the coffee.

[baj1dallas]

what type of workout? Describe the backpain more precisely. Is it just general muscle soreness after a workout or something that might be nerve related? Any weakness or numbness?

[randy932]

Protein shakes help with recovery, especially if you have sore muscles. I notice the difference on days that I don't drink one, personally never believed the "hype" till I tried it..

Hey fan74, check your PMs

[TheDallasDon]

Protein shakes help with recovery, especially if you have sore muscles. I notice the difference on days that I don't drink one, personally never believed the "hype" till I tried it..

U should try hemp protein......i mix 2 scoops with quinoa and it adds a nutty flavor to the tastless quinoa while giving u two sources of full complete protein unlike whey

[Doc50]

Thanks, Doc. I was wondering. Could not enough potassium and magnesium be a cause of this? I drink a lot, I mean more than most people, of coffee. I drink water, but only a glass or two a day. I drank magnesium citrate and I had mild stiffness as opposed to mild. I also slept in since I got today off for the game. So that could be why.

But my thoughts are that my muscles are dehydrated and crampy... Could I be right?


Dehydration is a temporary phenomenon, unless caused by a metabolic disorder like diabetes. Deficiencies caused by aggressive exercise are quickly restoered with fluids and food. A persistent deficiency of potassium or magnesium will somewhat inpair nerve conductiion, leading to muscle cramps that are separate from volume depletion cramps. Many other conditions can cause that as well, so the appropriate diagnostic tests need to be done to determine the actual cause.

If you have used sports drinks during exercise, it would be highly unlikely for you to have those particular deficiencies; it's therefore prudent to get this evaluated.

BTW, antioxidants are significantly over-rated at this time. A large mult-site study done over the past few years on vitamin E (an ideal antioxidant based on its structure) concluded that these supplements were of no significant health benefit, with various outcomes actually worse in some cases than the placebo group.

And there is no such thing as a fat burner.

[baj1dallas]

And there is no such thing as a fat burner.

Not a believer in the ECA stack? Or phen phen or other clinically tested drugs that were later proven to be unsafe?

And btw I don't think a daily multivitamen has ever been shown to be unsafe as long as it contains what it's supposed to contain.

[Doc50]

Not a believer in the ECA stack? Or phen phen or other clinically tested drugs that were later proven to be unsafe?

And btw I don't think a daily multivitamen has ever been shown to be unsafe as long as it contains what it's supposed to contain.

Multivitamins: unsafe? -- usually not
necessary? -- usually not

[TheDallasDon]

Multivitamins: unsafe? -- usually not
necessary? -- usually not

That's if you eat right, most don't

[CATCH17]

That's if you eat right, most don't

Even if you eat right it's hard to get every single mineral out there without consuming 4000 calories a day.

I take a multi 4 or 5 times a week.

[vta]

Dehydration is a temporary phenomenon, unless caused by a metabolic disorder like diabetes. Deficiencies caused by aggressive exercise are quickly restoered with fluids and food. A persistent deficiency of potassium or magnesium will somewhat inpair nerve conductiion, leading to muscle cramps that are separate from volume depletion cramps. Many other conditions can cause that as well, so the appropriate diagnostic tests need to be done to determine the actual cause.

If you have used sports drinks during exercise, it would be highly unlikely for you to have those particular deficiencies; it's therefore prudent to get this evaluated.

BTW, antioxidants are significantly over-rated at this time. A large mult-site study done over the past few years on vitamin E (an ideal antioxidant based on its structure) concluded that these supplements were of no significant health benefit, with various outcomes actually worse in some cases than the placebo group.

And there is no such thing as a fat burner.

Free medical advice! :D
Interesting stuff here.

As to what I'd said, does too much coffee dehydrate and cause problems? I've heard some who have suffered stones were told by doctors to knock off the coffee and drink more water.

[Doc50]

Free medical advice! :D
Interesting stuff here.

As to what I'd said, does too much coffee dehydrate and cause problems? I've heard some who have suffered stones were told by doctors to knock off the coffee and drink more water.

Coffee does not dehydrate, per se; after all, it does contribute to vascular volume. However, the tannins, caffeine, and other ingredients may cause precipitation of crystalline components that become the source of kidney stones.

Another consequence of caffeine usage is bladder spasms. This can be misinterpreted as a diuretic effect, leading to the idea that caffeine must be somewhat dehydrating. The spasms occur without having a full bladder, creating the need to urinate more often.

The biggest risk with caffeine and other stimulants used in excess (in so- called energy or fat burning drinks) is cardiac arrythmias.
Vasoconstriction may accompany this as well, creating an excellent scenario for a heart attack. There are many recorded cases of this, even in young patients.

[vta]

Coffee does not dehydrate, per se; after all, it does contribute to vascular volume. However, the tannins, caffeine, and other ingredients may cause precipitation of crystalline components that become the source of kidney stones.

Another consequence of caffeine usage is bladder spasms. This can be misinterpreted as a diuretic effect, leading to the idea that caffeine must be somewhat dehydrating. The spasms occur without having a full bladder, creating the need to urinate more often.

The biggest risk with caffeine and other stimulants used in excess (in so- called energy or fat burning drinks) is cardiac arrythmias.
Vasoconstriction may accompany this as well, creating an excellent scenario for a heart attack. There are many recorded cases of this, even in young patients.

Cool, thanks for the info.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Multivitamins: unsafe? -- usually not
necessary? -- usually not

Thanks, Doc.