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WoodysGirl
04-21-2005, 08:43 AM
Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs launched a passionate defense of starting quarterback Patrick Ramsey yesterday, raising questions about a published report that the club might trade Ramsey if it acquires Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell in this weekend's NFL Draft.

ESPN.com reported Tuesday night that the Redskins acquired the 25th overall pick to select Campbell, whose dominant senior season shot him into the draft's group of elite passers. Gibbs didn't deny interest in Campbell, but his comments on Ramsey made it sound like Campbell at most would be a developmental player in Washington next season.

"The good thing about Patrick Ramsey, he knows where he stands with us," Gibbs said. "He's our starting quarterback. He's somebody we're counting on being the guy that takes us to the promised land. And what we're trying to do, as a coaching staff and an organization, we're trying to field the best possible team we can, including putting every single thing around him that can make him look good."

Gibbs' comments came as part of a predraft round-table interview, at which vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and owner Dan Snyder also spoke. Gibbs admitted to being at Auburn on Tuesday but said it was one of several trips that day. The coach wouldn't talk specifically about Campbell.
"I'd say right now, all options are open for us," Gibbs said. "Obviously we think we've got certain needs. But also you want to be prepared all the way across the board."

Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder said that, in contrast to what Cerrato claimed Tuesday, they are willing to package the No. 25 pick overall (which they acquired from the Denver Broncos for a 2006 first-rounder, 2005 third-rounder and 2006 fourth-rounder) with the ninth pick overall (their original first-rounder) to move into the draft's upper reaches.

Snyder said the Redskins "absolutely" are willing to move up, while Cerrato reversed course and said Washington spent yesterday calling "every team in front of" it. The logical player for the Redskins to draft in the top five would be Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards.

"We're evaluating everything, so we can have options," Cerrato said. "Is moving up the best option? Is moving back the best option? Staying at nine and 25? We're going to gather all the information and then do what's best for the organization."

Of course, it's difficult to tell what's true and what's not this time of year. If the Redskins really are targeting Campbell at No. 25, the information becoming public is a big problem. Now a team at the top of the second round, such as the Cleveland Browns or Tampa Bay Buccaneers, could jump Washington without much ammunition.

Snyder, who according to one NFL source was talking up Campbell at the owners meetings Tuesday, said trading for No. 25 so early in the week would be a bonehead play if Washington were targeting just one player. He cited last year's move for third-round H-back Chris Cooley as an example of how to land a specific player.

"Generally if you're targeting a particular player, you'd do it draft day because you don't know if a player's going to be there or not," Snyder said. "You don't really do what we did with a target of one or two guys. You think you've got an array of options and alternatives."

Statements from Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder made it sound like Washington is targeting two positions of depth in the first round -- most likely cornerback at No. 9 and wide receiver at No. 25. Said Snyder: "If you look at what will be there and you run depth of position and you run grids out, you get a pretty good comfort zone that it would be safe to do the transaction."

To defend trading away three picks for a late first-rounder, the Redskins trotted out their draft-value board. According to the board, Washington gave up 715 "points" to acquire a pick worth 750 "points." The board assigns a point value to every selection and devalues year-in-advance picks by one round.

Tuesday's deal left Washington with just three selections after the first round -- a fourth-rounder, a sixth-rounder and a seventh-rounder. Thus a team that has had difficulty developing quality depth could be hamstrung again.

Still lingering, though, is the fate of wide receiver Rod Gardner. Gibbs said the Redskins have a "game plan" for trading Gardner this weekend -- probably for a mid-round pick -- and added that the absence of a deal already isn't because of contractual issues between Gardner and possible new teams.

"I think it's just all of us more or less reaching an agreement [about] what's best for him," Gibbs said.

•Staff writer David Elfin contributed to this article.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050421-122349-7171r.htm

Sarge
04-21-2005, 08:47 AM
I still don't understand the number of people who think Ramsey is a bust.

The guy got MURDERED while he was in because of a pi$$poor OL.

He hung tough. The guy is a competitor who hasn't had a fair shot yet.

If the Redskins take a QB in the first (and I predict they don't) they are NUTS.

They need to give Ramsey a fair shake before they send him off to pasture.

Having said all that - one word.................

Snyder.

So who knows?

Woods
04-21-2005, 08:49 AM
But I still don't understand,

Why not wait and see who is available FIRST and THEN do the trade?

Suppose they really are targeting a certain WR at 25 (or whatever player), and suppose that WR is already gone?

And even if that player is still there, maybe you don't have to give up as much if that player slips a few more spots . . . .

Kind of confusing, if you ask me.

ravidubey
04-21-2005, 09:34 AM
The NFL is all about winning NOW, and it's apparent that Washington feels they need to build this year to win next year. So I believe them when they say they are not targeting a specific player; it's clear they have a range of needs that they feel they it will be too late to address next season. With picks 9 and 25, they've gained serious flexibility in this draft. Now they can replace Smoot and Coles or they can beef up their pass rush-- like us they have gained an advantage this year.

Luckily for us, we still have all our 2006 picks :) .

notherbob
04-21-2005, 09:34 AM
I still don't understand the number of people who think Ramsey is a bust.

The guy got MURDERED while he was in because of a pi$$poor OL.

He hung tough. The guy is a competitor who hasn't had a fair shot yet.

If the Redskins take a QB in the first (and I predict they don't) they are NUTS.

They need to give Ramsey a fair shake before they send him off to pasture.

Having said all that - one word.................

Snyder.

So who knows?
I think Ramsey has a lot of potential, too. The question is whether he will last long enough to realize much of it, but he is a big guy so maybe he can take it. The main unanswered questions about Ramsey is whether he can put a spiral on "Shorty" Snyder and how far he can throw him. :D

lkelly
04-21-2005, 09:34 AM
And what we're trying to do, as a coaching staff and an organization, we're trying to field the best possible team we can, including putting every single thing around him that can make him look good."


If you want to sign a quarterback to put next to Ramsey and make him look good, Quincy Carter is available. Heck, if you really want to make Ramsey glow in comparison, dig out Ryan Leaf's number.

Crown Royal
04-21-2005, 09:39 AM
Is it me, or did Snyder say they would consider moving up into the top 5? To move that high, that would mean they have given up 2 first rounders this year, 1 next year, a 3rd this year and a 4th next year.

Braylon Edwards, or whomever they take that high, had better be a rookie all pro.

LA=Pancakemaker
04-21-2005, 09:40 AM
I still don't understand the number of people who think Ramsey is a bust

I am one of those guys that thinks he is a bust, bad decisions , bad footwork, doesnt look off safties, ect. Gibbs & The Skins front office dont know what to to do.

Braylon Edwards, or whomever they take that high, had better be a rookie all pro

They aint gonna get Edwards, Vikes are gonna swap with Miami - Edwards is the # 2 pick gone say bye bye, The skins dont have a clue what there doing.

Sarge
04-21-2005, 09:42 AM
I am one of those guys that thinks he is a bust, bad decisions , bad footwork, doesnt look off safties, ect. Gibbs & The Skins front office dont know what to to do.

That's because he has about negative 1 second to make a decision behind that deplorable OL.

BrAinPaiNt
04-21-2005, 10:21 AM
Vinny Cerato (bug eyes) is looking like an idiot and it is all because of what he himself has said.

He keeps reversing what he is saying from one day to the next.

One minute they are not going to trade up, the next minute they are thinking about trading up.

I think danny boy is pulling those puppet strings to fast for vinny to keep up lol.

InmanRoshi
04-21-2005, 10:26 AM
Ramsey is entering his 4th year in the league. The "potential" and "young" descriptions are just about wearing thin. He's got a strong arm and stands in the pocket well, but I don't believe he's accurate enough with the ball for Gibbs tastes, especially if he's going to continue to run that same short to intermediate passing scheme he ran last year. Ramsey's career completion percentage is around 55%, which is about the same as Quincy's.

BrAinPaiNt
04-21-2005, 10:33 AM
Another thing....for a team that keeps saying ramsey is their guy....the seem to do everything to contradict that notion.