Good shot of the dual possession

[bkight13]

You can see 4 hands on the ball. 2 are Tates and 2 are Jennings. Neither appears to have clear control. The call was not as bad as everyone is saying.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's about who gets possession first not if at some point the offensive player is able to get his hands in after the ball was caught in the air and they have been on the ground.

Show me the shot where Jennings first catches the ball.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TllgjmofJ2g/UGHlDhWMVRI/AAAAAAAAAlo/Z2CnArkM-dc/s1600/Jennings%2Band%2BTate.jpg

Something like this where you can see while Tate is trying to get to the ball, he doesn't even remotely have it.

Note that they are still in the air.

[WPBCowboysFan]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TllgjmofJ2g/UGHlDhWMVRI/AAAAAAAAAlo/Z2CnArkM-dc/s1600/Jennings%2Band%2BTate.jpg

Something like this where you can see while Tate is trying to get to the ball, he doesn't even remotely have it.

Note that they are still in the air.

If those arent Tates hands on the ball, whose are they? Those hands appear to be connected to his arms.

[WPBCowboysFan]

You can see 4 hands on the ball. 2 are Tates and 2 are Jennings. Neither appears to have clear control. The call was not as bad as everyone is saying.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg)

Exactly! :banghead:

[bkight13]

Tate's left hand is on the ball the whole time. That is why Jennings is never able to wrestle it away.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All I see is Tate's hand grabbing Jenning's arm attached to his own hand which has the ball between both hands. I love the one handed catch from the unseen hand theory though.

[dargonking999]

If he had just knocked it down, none of this would have happened.

[Rack Bauer]

You can see 4 hands on the ball. 2 are Tates and 2 are Jennings. Neither appears to have clear control. The call was not as bad as everyone is saying.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg)

That is WELL after the "initial" catch. Not a "Good" picture.

[joseephuss]

If those arent Tates hands on the ball, whose are they? Those hands appear to be connected to his arms.

In that picture Tate's(#81) right hand is not on the ball.

[RoyTheHammer]

If those arent Tates hands on the ball, whose are they? Those hands appear to be connected to his arms.

:eek:

Are you being serious, WPB? Good grief man, should we bring in John Madden to break it down for you?

Get out the crayons and draw a line.. Tate's right arm is connected to his right hand, which is grabbing Jenkins arm in this picture CLEARLY.

That is not possession, my friend. Honestly, its been looked at by Jon Gruden, Steve Young, Trent Dilfer, numerous other ex players and ex coaches at multiple angles, over and over again.. and they all say it was Jennings ball. Lets save the conspiracy theories, eh? Geeze..

[IAMKING]

If those arent Tates hands on the ball, whose are they? Those hands appear to be connected to his arms.

That right hand of Tates is on Jennings right arm.

[bkight13]

That is WELL after the "initial" catch. Not a "Good" picture.

You can still see the ref off in the background. It's just as they hit the ground and they both have 2 hands on the ball. Tate didn't just somehow reach his hand in there. It was there the whole time.

[The30YardSlant]

You can see 4 hands on the ball. 2 are Tates and 2 are Jennings. Neither appears to have clear control. The call was not as bad as everyone is saying.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg)

Tate put a second hand on it after he hit the ground. That picture is remarkably deceptive.

[The30YardSlant]

If those arent Tates hands on the ball, whose are they? Those hands appear to be connected to his arms.

Jennings has two hands on the ball, Tate is grabbing Jennings elbow with his right hand and his left hand is underneath the ball.

It's not even debatable. Dual possession involves both players possessing the bll at roughly the same moment. Everyone was on the ground before tate had more than one hand touching the ball, let alone possessing it.

[Maxmadden]

I cannot for the life of me figure out how the whole world can see one thing. Yet, there are two people on this board who see something totally different. Every persons perception is their reality.

[bkight13]

I cannot for the life of me figure out how the whole world can see one thing. Yet, there are two people on this board who see something totally different. Every persons perception is their reality.

"The Emperor has no clothes..."

[Idgit]

I cannot for the life of me figure out how the whole world can see one thing. Yet, there are two people on this board who see something totally different. Every persons perception is their reality.

There are more than two. The rest of us just don't find it interesting enough to debate in this much detail.

[RoyTheHammer]

There are more than two. The rest of us just don't find it interesting enough to debate in this much detail.

Not many more..

[joseephuss]

You can see 4 hands on the ball. 2 are Tates and 2 are Jennings. Neither appears to have clear control. The call was not as bad as everyone is saying.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8027874696_95e09ccffc_b.jpg)

Tates right finger tips are on the ball. I don't think that constitutes possession. He doesn't have his fingers or his hand around the ball. And his left hand appears to be in an awkward position. If you took Jennings out of the picture and kept Tates arms, hands and fingers all in the same position he would still be struggling to fully control the ball whereas Jennings has full control by the position of his appendages.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"The Emperor has no clothes..."

The point of that story is that the emperor is the sole buffoon that doesn't notice the obvious.

[WPBCowboysFan]

The point of that story is that the emperor is the sole buffoon that doesn't notice the obvious.

I have a feeling thats why he posted that comment - about you fellas. :lmao2:

[Phoenix]

Of course, there never should have been any catch whatsoever due to the offensive PI that was not called.

[RoyTheHammer]

I have a feeling thats why he posted that comment - about you fellas. :lmao2:

He posted it because he didn't understand the story.

Much like he doesn't understand what he's seeing here.. even though everyone else does. Its actually pretty fitting.. irony is fun.

[bkight13]

He posted it because he's also a buffoon, and didn't understand the story.

Much like he doesn't understand what he's seeing here.. even though everyone else does. Its actually pretty fitting.. irony is fun.

You really are thick aren't you. YOU don't understand the story at all and accuse me of being a buffoon. Everyone on TV is saying it's the WORST CALL of all time and even after being shown multiple camera angles and photos you refuse to believe what your eyes see. You would rather keep up the pretense than admit what even a child(me) can see. The call wasn't wrong. Tate had his hand on the ball first or at worst at the same time and had it throughout the entire play. Yes his right hand was knocked off by Jennings, but Jennings didn't keep both hands on the ball the whole time either. So keep throwing insults instead of proof.

[RoyTheHammer]

You really are thick aren't you. YOU don't understand the story at all and accuse me of being a buffoon. Everyone on TV is saying it's the WORST CALL of all time and even after being shown multiple camera angles and photos you refuse to believe what your eyes see. You would rather keep up the pretense than admit what even a child(me) can see. The call wasn't wrong. Tate had his hand on the ball first or at worst at the same time and had it throughout the entire play. Yes his right hand was knocked off by Jennings, but Jennings didn't keep both hands on the ball the whole time either. So keep throwing insults instead of proof.

:laugh2:

Tell that to the Seattle Seahawks players who admitted they didn't win that game.

But of course.. you know more than them, and other players, and other coaches and other referees.. all who have been around the game their entire lives.

Because.. you're a kid. You know much more than all those guys. lol

[bkight13]

:laugh2:

Tell that to the Seattle Seahawks players who admitted they didn't win that game.

But of course.. you know more than them, and other players, and other coaches and other referees.. all who have been around the game their entire lives.

Because.. you're a kid. You know much more than all those guys. lol

Why are you taking it so personal? You have added nothing to the thread except trying to hurl insults. We get it old man(your avatar is perfect for you BTW-"get off my lawn you damn kids"), you think it was a bad call. Why can't you let it go? You're obsessed with getting the last word. Is that your thing?? Try not to respond, I bet you can't.

[RoyTheHammer]

Why are you taking it so personal? You have added nothing to the thread except trying to hurl insults. We get it old man(your avatar is perfect for you BTW-"get off my lawn you damn kids"), you think it was a bad call. Why can't you let it go? You're obsessed with getting the last word. Is that your thing?? Try not to respond, I bet you can't.

You don't know who the guy in my avatar is?

That's it.. ignore list for you. For shame..

[bkight13]

You don't know who the guy in my avatar is?

That's it.. ignore list for you. For shame..

I knew you couldn't resist and I know who Judge Smails is. I just assumed you were a cranky old man and not some immature 20 something. Obviously you consider yourself as Kinda A Big Deal around here, so I'll defer to your awesomeness.

[BraveHeartFan]

If those arent Tates hands on the ball, whose are they? Those hands appear to be connected to his arms.

Tate's right hand is quite clearly on the arm of Jennings and no where near being on the ball, let alone possessing it.

His left hand appears to be under the ball which also doesn't make a real good case for his possessing the ball.

Especially when the defender clearly has both hands on it.

[BraveHeartFan]

You really are thick aren't you. YOU don't understand the story at all and accuse me of being a buffoon. Everyone on TV is saying it's the WORST CALL of all time and even after being shown multiple camera angles and photos you refuse to believe what your eyes see. You would rather keep up the pretense than admit what even a child(me) can see. The call wasn't wrong. Tate had his hand on the ball first or at worst at the same time and had it throughout the entire play. Yes his right hand was knocked off by Jennings, but Jennings didn't keep both hands on the ball the whole time either. So keep throwing insults instead of proof.


There is a great picture earlier in this thread that shows that you're wrong. He didn't have his hands on it first or at the same time. His right hand was on the arm of the defender, no where near touching the ball, at the exact time that the defender clearly has both hands on the ball.

I think you might need to open your eyes a little more and believe them a little bit more before you start accusing others of not being able to see.

[bkight13]

One hand catches happen all the time in the NFL. There is nothing that says 2 hands are required. Tate got there first or worst at the SAME time as Jennings. At some point Tate's right hand comes off(so does Jennings, but I guess that doesn't matter), but that's irrelevant. His left hand never comes off and Tate maintains control until they hit the ground. I just find it funny that replacement refs got it right, but ultimately it was this call that ended the lockout.

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3605/firstcontact.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3605/firstcontact.jpg)

[bkight13]

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http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/2800335_o.gif

[RoyTheHammer]

:laugh2:

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

This thread is still going? :laugh2:

Open your damn eyes. That was clearly an interception. End of story.

[bkight13]

Stalk much? I thought I was on your ignore list.

[BraveHeartFan]

You're seriously trying to use those two catches to back up possession from Monday night? Come on now.

Really? This is a joke right?

First off Tate never even has a full hand on the ball while its in the air, and that's clear from even the pictures you've posted. He might have some finger tips from his left hand on the bottom of the ball but finger tips touching the ball is not possession and certainly nothing anywhere near the two shots you're passing off as some sort of attempt to make it look like you're not wrong.

I'm not bagging on the replacement refs here either. I personally don't think they did any worse than the real refs who've blown calls that cost teams games as well.

But that call Monday night was terrible.

[Hoofbite]

One hand catches happen all the time in the NFL. There is nothing that says 2 hands are required. Tate got there first or worst at the SAME time as Jennings. At some point Tate's right hand comes off(so does Jennings, but I guess that doesn't matter), but that's irrelevant. His left hand never comes off and Tate maintains control until they hit the ground. I just find it funny that replacement refs got it right, but ultimately it was this call that ended the lockout.

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3605/firstcontact.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3605/firstcontact.jpg)

What the hell?

You're still going on with them getting the right call.

At some point people need to stop dissecting the rulebook looking for some tangential means of applying a rule to some distant example.

Anyone who looks at that play and says it was the right call is at best a total brain dead fool or at worse just dishonest as all hell for some unknown reason.

[speedkilz88]

Tate never had possession.

[bkight13]

What the hell?

You're still going on with them getting the right call.

At some point people need to stop dissecting the rulebook looking for some tangential means of applying a rule to some distant example.

Anyone who looks at that play and says it was the right call is at best a total brain dead fool or at worse just dishonest as all hell for some unknown reason.

I really don't know why all you guys are getting your panties in a bunch about a thread on, wait for it, a football message board. I merely stated at the beginning that the call wasn't even as remotely as bad as everyone was making it out to be and provided visual evidence to support that claim. Most of you football gods don't agree with me, so what. Either provide something besides your unquestioned opinion or ignore the thread.

Either way, Tate made enough of a play on the ball, one handed or not, equal to what Austin did against the Jets or better, to get the TD. So sorry if the most controversial call of the year held my interest for more than a couple days. I know that there are hundreds of other OL threads that need to be started.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I really don't know why all you guys are getting your panties in a bunch about a thread on, wait for it, a football message board. I merely stated at the beginning that the call wasn't even as remotely as bad as everyone was making it out to be and provided visual evidence to support that claim. Most of you football gods don't agree with me, so what. Either provide something besides your unquestioned opinion or ignore the thread.

Either way, Tate made enough of a play on the ball, one handed or not, equal to what Austin did against the Jets or better, to get the TD. So sorry if the most controversial call of the year held my interest for more than a couple days. I know that there are hundreds of other OL threads that need to be started.

It's because you clearly need to get your eyes checked. Tate didn't even have close to having a hand on the ball. He NEVER at any point had full possession of the football therefore there's no way it should've been ruled a touchdown. Meanwhile Jennings towards the end clearly had possession of the football and it was unquestionably an interception.

Aside from that Tate pushed off and the NFL and he himself even admitted that later during the week. Again get your damn eyes, get some glasses or contacts because anyone who can actually see would know that was the most obvious interception in recent memory.

[RoyTheHammer]

I really don't know why all you guys are getting your panties in a bunch about a thread on, wait for it, a football message board. I merely stated at the beginning that the call wasn't even as remotely as bad as everyone was making it out to be and provided visual evidence to support that claim. Most of you football gods don't agree with me, so what. Either provide something besides your unquestioned opinion or ignore the thread.

Either way, Tate made enough of a play on the ball, one handed or not, equal to what Austin did against the Jets or better, to get the TD. So sorry if the most controversial call of the year held my interest for more than a couple days. I know that there are hundreds of other OL threads that need to be started.

:laugh2:

[Hoofbite]

I really don't know why all you guys are getting your panties in a bunch about a thread on, wait for it, a football message board. I merely stated at the beginning that the call wasn't even as remotely as bad as everyone was making it out to be and provided visual evidence to support that claim. Most of you football gods don't agree with me, so what. Either provide something besides your unquestioned opinion or ignore the thread.

Either way, Tate made enough of a play on the ball, one handed or not, equal to what Austin did against the Jets or better, to get the TD. So sorry if the most controversial call of the year held my interest for more than a couple days. I know that there are hundreds of other OL threads that need to be started.

You can try to justify as much as want but that was not simultaneous possession.

You're basically arguing against the world and using ridiculous examples to try and prove a point that isn't there? The one-handed aspect versus the air? It's laughable.

[bkight13]

You can try to justify as much as want but that was not simultaneous possession.

You're basically arguing against the world and using ridiculous examples to try and prove a point that isn't there? The one-handed aspect versus the air? It's laughable.

-OK show me the rule that says one hand catches don't count, because Tate had his left hand on the ball FIRST and the ENTIRE time
-Show me the rule that determines more possession. Is it 51-49 or 75-25 or 99-1? Woodson also had his hand on the ball. Is that the 2 players vs 1 rule?
-If Tate would've knocked the ball to the ground before Jennings landed, then I guess it would be a fumble, not an incompletion since Jennings had already established clear possession in the air.(even though that is not remotely close to the rule)
-And please tell me how you 5 or 6 guys in this forum constitutes the World, because as I recall, Mike Tirico called it simultaneous catch as it happened live and he is an expert like Gruden or Steve Young because he is on TV. Here are some other examples of buffons I guess.

http://lifexinxrewind.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/why-the-seahawks-packers-finish-was-not-an-interception-and-why-it-would-have-been-called-the-same-by-any-referee-crew/

http://www.nfl.com/videos/seattle-seahawks/0ap1000000066131/Davis-Refs-call-was-understandable

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/shame-the-angry-mob-golden-tates-touchdown-was-legit/17706/

I can do this all day and will be here all week. Come early for the best seats.

[DragonCowboy]

bkight what you don't realize about that Dez catch is that when he had that one hand on it, he did NOT have possession. He only gets possession when he gets his second hand on it.

So what are you trying to say by posting that Dez catch?

Also it's extremely crystal clear that Tate does not have possession. He has his hand under the ball. The only reason why he can keep his hand on the ball is because Jennings is holding onto it (ie has control). Just because you have your hand on the ball doesn't mean you have possession.

[Hoofbite]

-OK show me the rule that says one hand catches don't count, because Tate had his left hand on the ball FIRST and the ENTIRE time

Having one hand on the ball while the other guy has it tucked to his chest with both arms around it will never constitute simultaneous possession. There is no written explanation of the rule because nobody is dense enough to need what constitutes as possession in such a scenario written in black and white.

Jennings was between Tate and the ball. Simply touching the ball is not and never should be enough.

-Show me the rule that determines more possession. Is it 51-49 or 75-25 or 99-1? Woodson also had his hand on the ball. Is that the 2 players vs 1 rule?

There is no definitive cutoff. It's pure common sense. The rule is in place to prevent a complete crap storm in situations in which possession is not apparent, not to give the offense every single bit of advantage in a situation where the offensive player simply puts two hands on the ball regardless of how much of the ball the DB actually has in his possession.

-If Tate would've knocked the ball to the ground before Jennings landed, then I guess it would be a fumble, not an incompletion since Jennings had already established clear possession in the air.(even though that is not remotely close to the rule)

Really? Keep reaching, you might touch the moon at some point.

What you are saying is essentially that any WR can let a DB jump up and catch the ball, put two hands on it before the DB lands and gain possession.

The first part of gaining possession is catching the ball. Jennings caught the ball, Tate didn't.


-And please tell me how you 5 or 6 guys in this forum constitutes the World, because as I recall, Mike Tirico called it simultaneous catch as it happened live and he is an expert like Gruden or Steve Young because he is on TV. Here are some other examples of buffons I guess.

You're really gonna say Tirico is an "expert" on the same level as Gruden or Young? Gruden and Steve Young have won Superbowls...........Tirico has done what? He's also called NCAA games, Golf and Tennis. Guess that makes him an expert in those areas as well. What exactly is different from Tirico or any of us? I'm sure the majority of guys on this board have watched as many NFL games as he has. I guess expertise comes in the form of a good radio voice.

And if you really think that just the people on this forum are the one's who think it was the wrong call, you should come out from under that rock you are under. Nearly every single ex-player, current player and commentator I have heard has said the call was piss poor.


Mike and Mike (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422892) covered the thing for nearly their entire show on Tuesday: "You hear the analogy in baseball, "tie goes to the runner". Runner reaches the base the same time as the catch, tie goes to the runner. Possession's the same way in the NFL. If it's basically equal possession it's gonna go to the receiver. The only problem here, it wasn't equal possession. They went up for the ball and MD Jennings had the ball. He had the ball pulled into his chest with both arms around it and Golden Tate really had one arm in there on the ball, stuck in there on the ball and was trying to fight to get the other arm in there".



Larry Fitzgerald: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423101) "I was in disbelief".



Victor Cruz: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423132) "Obviously I felt like it was the wrong call".



Former NFL Referee: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423117) "It looks to me like it was a pass interception".

He also talks about how the head official didn't do his job and mediate the call discrepancy and how he was disappointed that the blatant PI allowed the "Erroneous TD Signal" to be sustained.



George Atallah, NFLPA Executive: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422951) "Kind of a sad day to be an NFL fan".



Chris Carter: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422950) "But, we have to catch the ball at the same time. That's the biggest wrong for me. Dual possession isn't when the ball is on the ground. It's when the ball is in the catching area".

"It was clearly the Green Bay defender. CLEARLY, caught the football. And then the receiver came in afterwards."

It's funny because he goes over how they practice this with officials during the offseason and he knows as an offensive player that he doesn't need as much possession as the defender to win the battle. Golic stops him flat and asks him to clarify before asking him if the call was right. Carter's response was a flat out no.

Furthermore, he responds to the still frames you keep posting showing Jennings with two hands on the ball and Tate with one on the ball. "That's just one frame of the picture. You have to watch the live action".

"Clearly one player got to the player got to the football before the other player"

Interesting enough, Carter says this is the only call in the rulebook where officials converse with players prior to making the call. He notes that this did not happen.




Oh, and here's a few snippets from your "Expert" Mike Tirico: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422897)

"It cost Green Bay the Game". This quote in response to whether or not this call should be the tipping point regarding the officials because the argument was always about how the officials weren't costing teams games.

"It felt like an interception".

"I don't know how the Packers slept, if at all. I could barely sleep".

"There are some great still shots of MD Jennings. He had the ball. Had the ball and he was down on his back and the game should have been over".

"These guys are doing the best they can, and as the song says, 'their best just isn't good enough'".




John Clayton: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423046) "MD Jennings had possession, I mean he caught the ball, and then of course as he comings down Golden Tate's reaching up with one arm trying to reach and grab around him".



Stewart Scott: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423020) "As soon as it happened, we see that it's a touchback , and we turn to go to the set and we turn back..............And as soon as we saw touchdown, Trent looked like he was gonna cry. Ya know sometimes you joke about something because it's so crazy. We weren't even joking. It was sad. We were like, 'please don't do this to this football game'".

Included is a Trent Dilfer quote: "It was an afterthought, to us, that it was an interception".



And perhaps the most ridiculous indictment of what a horrid call it was.....

Casino gives refunds for Packers-Seattle game (http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/local/casino-gives-refunds-packers-seattle-game/nSMgS/)

I can do this all day and will be here all week. Come early for the best seats.

I'm not sure exactly what it is you think you are doing but it might as well be pissing into the wind.

[Hoofbite]

bkight what you don't realize about that Dez catch is that when he had that one hand on it, he did NOT have possession. He only gets possession when he gets his second hand on it.

So what are you trying to say by posting that Dez catch?

Also it's extremely crystal clear that Tate does not have possession. He has his hand under the ball. The only reason why he can keep his hand on the ball is because Jennings is holding onto it (ie has control). Just because you have your hand on the ball doesn't mean you have possession.

Actually Dez didn't have possession because he didn't get two feet in, IIRC.

Had he gotten two feet down, that's a TD.

[Manwiththeplan]

If he had just knocked it down, none of this would have happened.

yea, that alaways works.....

GlvOUG8nuZ4

[bkight13]

Having one hand on the ball while the other guy has it tucked to his chest with both arms around it will never constitute simultaneous possession. There is no written explanation of the rule because nobody is dense enough to need what constitutes as possession in such a scenario written in black and white.

Jennings was between Tate and the ball. Simply touching the ball is not and never should be enough.



There is no definitive cutoff. It's pure common sense. The rule is in place to prevent a complete crap storm in situations in which possession is not apparent, not to give the offense every single bit of advantage in a situation where the offensive player simply puts two hands on the ball regardless of how much of the ball the DB actually has in his possession.



Really? Keep reaching, you might touch the moon at some point.

What you are saying is essentially that any WR can let a DB jump up and catch the ball, put two hands on it before the DB lands and gain possession.

The first part of gaining possession is catching the ball. Jennings caught the ball, Tate didn't.




You're really gonna say Tirico is an "expert" on the same level as Gruden or Young? Gruden and Steve Young have won Superbowls...........Tirico has done what? He's also called NCAA games, Golf and Tennis. Guess that makes him an expert in those areas as well. What exactly is different from Tirico or any of us? I'm sure the majority of guys on this board have watched as many NFL games as he has. I guess expertise comes in the form of a good radio voice.

And if you really think that just the people on this forum are the one's who think it was the wrong call, you should come out from under that rock you are under. Nearly every single ex-player, current player and commentator I have heard has said the call was piss poor.

Mike and Mike (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422892) covered the thing for nearly their entire show on Tuesday: "You hear the analogy in baseball, "tie goes to the runner". Runner reaches the base the same time as the catch, tie goes to the runner. Possession's the same way in the NFL. If it's basically equal possession it's gonna go to the receiver. The only problem here, it wasn't equal possession. They went up for the ball and MD Jennings had the ball. He had the ball pulled into his chest with both arms around it and Golden Tate really had one arm in there on the ball, stuck in there on the ball and was trying to fight to get the other arm in there".
Larry Fitzgerald: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423101) "I was in disbelief".
Victor Cruz: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423132) "Obviously I felt like it was the wrong call".
Former NFL Referee: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423117) "It looks to me like it was a pass interception".

He also talks about how the head official didn't do his job and mediate the call discrepancy and how he was disappointed that the blatant PI allowed the "Erroneous TD Signal" to be sustained.
George Atallah, NFLPA Executive: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422951) "Kind of a sad day to be an NFL fan".
Chris Carter: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422950) "But, we have to catch the ball at the same time. That's the biggest wrong for me. Dual possession isn't when the ball is on the ground. It's when the ball is in the catching area".

"It was clearly the Green Bay defender. CLEARLY, caught the football. And then the receiver came in afterwards."

It's funny because he goes over how they practice this with officials during the offseason and he knows as an offensive player that he doesn't need as much possession as the defender to win the battle. Golic stops him flat and asks him to clarify before asking him if the call was right. Carter's response was a flat out no.

Furthermore, he responds to the still frames you keep posting showing Jennings with two hands on the ball and Tate with one on the ball. "That's just one frame of the picture. You have to watch the live action".

"Clearly one player got to the player got to the football before the other player"

Interesting enough, Carter says this is the only call in the rulebook where officials converse with players prior to making the call. He notes that this did not happen.

Oh, and here's a few snippets from your "Expert" Mike Tirico: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8422897)

"It cost Green Bay the Game". This quote in response to whether or not this call should be the tipping point regarding the officials because the argument was always about how the officials weren't costing teams games.

"It felt like an interception".

"I don't know how the Packers slept, if at all. I could barely sleep".

"There are some great still shots of MD Jennings. He had the ball. Had the ball and he was down on his back and the game should have been over".

"These guys are doing the best they can, and as the song says, 'their best just isn't good enough'".

John Clayton: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423046) "MD Jennings had possession, I mean he caught the ball, and then of course as he comings down Golden Tate's reaching up with one arm trying to reach and grab around him".
Stewart Scott: (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8423020) "As soon as it happened, we see that it's a touchback , and we turn to go to the set and we turn back..............And as soon as we saw touchdown, Trent looked like he was gonna cry. Ya know sometimes you joke about something because it's so crazy. We weren't even joking. It was sad. We were like, 'please don't do this to this football game'".
Included is a Trent Dilfer quote: "It was an afterthought, to us, that it was an interception".

And perhaps the most ridiculous indictment of what a horrid call it was.....

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I'm not sure exactly what it is you think you are doing but it might as well be pissing into the wind.

Nice story, but your wrong. Tate's one hand on the ball throughout the entire process DOES constitute a catch as much as Jennings 2 hands. That what the rules say and that's the way it's always been called. If it was just his fingertips then how come Jennings couldn't wrestle it away as hard as he tried. Tate had as much control. GEEESHH.

[RoyTheHammer]

Nice story, but your wrong. Tate's one hand on the ball throughout the entire process DOES constitute a catch as much as Jennings 2 hands. That what the rules say and that's the way it's always been called. If it was just his fingertips then how come Jennings couldn't wrestle it away as hard as he tried. Tate had as much control. GEEESHH.

:laugh2:

[tupperware]

I really don't know why all you guys are getting your panties in a bunch about a thread on, wait for it, a football message board. I merely stated at the beginning that the call wasn't even as remotely as bad as everyone was making it out to be and provided visual evidence to support that claim. Most of you football gods don't agree with me, so what. Either provide something besides your unquestioned opinion or ignore the thread.

Either way, Tate made enough of a play on the ball, one handed or not, equal to what Austin did against the Jets or better, to get the TD. So sorry if the most controversial call of the year held my interest for more than a couple days. I know that there are hundreds of other OL threads that need to be started.

It's either a catch by Tate or a catch by Jennings, there is no in-between, not by the rules. By the rules, that was caught by Jennings. So yes, considering he didn't catch the ball and they won the game because of it, it was a horrible call.

On second thought, you can't be serious about this, you've got to be trolling. No one who can see would think that Tate caught that ball. It's like arguing with your 3 year old brother about Santa Claus. He goes on and on about how he saw something in the sky and you keep trying to explain that it was probably an airplane but he just insists that it's Santa, the real Santa.

[DragonCowboy]

Actually Dez didn't have possession because he didn't get two feet in, IIRC.

Had he gotten two feet down, that's a TD.

Well yeah, but I'm saying at the very moment that he had one hand on it, he clearly didn't have possession. It was only after he got both hands on it that it was clear he had control of it.

So you can't say that a receiver having a hand on it constitutes possession, because AT THAT VERY MOMENT, regardless of whether he was in or not, he didn't have possession.

[jimmy40]

the call was so wrong it ended the ref lockout.

[danielofthesaints]

This guy is trolling all of you. Well, at least I hope he is trolling...