Nolan Nawrocki - Gruden to the Cowboys (rumor)

[rafaelgreco]

Take it for what it is worth....But, this guy does have some good sources.




It has been rumored for years that Bill Cowher, who settled down in North Carolina, would be the successor to John Fox in Carolina. With Marty Hurney already in place and Cowher’s desire to oversee his own front-office regime a la Bill Belichick, Jeff Fisher and the more established coaches in the league, it never materialized. One requisite for the job for Cowher, after the Steelers won a Super Bowl upon Ben Roethlisberger’s arrival, was that a quarterback be in place, a need the Panthers did not have filled when Ron Rivera (now 7-16 as the team's head coach) was hired. Cam Newton is more physically gifted than Roethlisberger, who was able to succeed in Pittsburgh initially with a very simplified playbook and a strong running game. Although reports have emerged of the use of a consulting firm to replace Hurney, one might not be needed with Cowher already working outside the league, where many top candidates appear to be coming from.

Former Eagles and Bears personnel man Bobby DePaul, the man most responsible for bringing Rivera to Chicago, also remains available, after taking a position as a coach/personnel boss in the UFL, which coincidentally suspended operations days before Hurney was released. Former Raiders personnel man Mike Lombardi, who is expected to land back in a personnel role this offseason, and Jon Gruden, who shared a short stint in Philadelphia with DePaul and Lombardi, also remains available and is believed in personnel circles to be the front-runner for the Cowboys' head-coaching job if Jerry Jones decides to part ways with a struggling Jason Garrett. Gruden was one of the few coaches who have had success working for Al Davis, the owner most similarly hands-on and meddlesome as Jones, and Gruden has been overly effusive in his praise of Jones and the Cowboys in his coverage of the team on ESPN’s "Monday Night Football" broadcasts.

Don’t be surprised if many of the NFL’s rock-star list of out-of-league candidates find a way back into the league this offseason, with many interested in controlling personnel and as many as five GMs (Cleveland, Kansas City, Jacksonville, San Diego and the New York Jets) with sub-.500 records all facing closer scrutiny than ever in an age of increasing accountability.



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[RS12]

and Jon Gruden, who shared a short stint in Philadelphia with DePaul and Lombardi, also remains available and is believed in personnel circles to be the front-runner for the Cowboys' head-coaching job if Jerry Jones decides to part ways with a struggling Jason Garrett. Gruden was one of the few coaches who have had success working for Al Davis, the owner most similarly hands-on and meddlesome as Jones, and Gruden has been overly effusive in his praise of Jones and the Cowboys in his coverage of the team on ESPN’s "Monday Night Football" broadcasts.

Don’t be surprised if many of the NFL’s rock-star list of out-of-league candidates find a way back into the league this offseason, with many interested in controlling personnel and as many as five GMs (Cleveland, Kansas City, Jacksonville, San Diego and the New York Jets) with sub-.500 records all facing closer scrutiny than ever in an age of increasing accountability.

Here is the basic problem: If things go sour maybe Jerry gets pressured to dump Red, but he wont give up control. That is precisely the reason Gruden left Oakland. Call me me highly sceptical. None of these big name coaches wants to be set up for failure.

[WoodysGirl]

Personally, I'm not a fan of Gruden's personnel moves. He would instantly turn this team into an old veteran laden team.

I think he's a pretty good coach despite how his tenure ended up in Tampa Bay. But as a personnel guy, he would make me cringe.

[BoysFan4ever]

I'd be happy for that IF Jason goes..

[Hostile]

0% chance.

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Has a throw potatos on the wall kind of feel to it. Besides, who doesn't Gruden rave about during broadcasts?

[CowboysYanksLakers]

I'm personally done defending Garrett... I believe you need a proven guy like Tony Dungy.

[Coakleys Dad]

0% chance.

glad to hear.

[sacase]

Just get me Cowher and I will be a happy clam.

[Illini88228]

I would be absolutely shocked to see Jones turn his back on JG.

[Wolfpack]

I think you could bring in Jimmy Johnson v2, Bill Parcells (done that) and pretty much every other HOF coach and they will all struggle with a clown for a GM.

The players just wont respond well to the circus and haven't. Even Bill couldnt get rid of the entire circus that the GM brings to the table.

[jobberone]

I'm personally done defending Garrett... I believe you need a proven guy like Tony Dungy.

I love Tony Dungy but I'm not sure you could talk him into coming back esp to Dallas. I'm not sure you could get him to even talk to you.

I'm not in favor of a new coach as you just haven't had time to evaluate Garrett although I'm getting more concerned about some aspects. OTOH, I'm liking a lot of what I see as well.

The whole point is you have a good bit of time invested in developing this particular vertical offense we're running. If you bring someone else in here then you're starting over with your offense. That's just a bad idea at this time as long as you can see the team moving forward no matter how slow it may be in some areas.

I do think for the time being Jason needs to move a little more towards putting in more horizontal plays. He's already shown that can be very effective using Witten in that manner. I also think he needs to find the routes that Dez can run more consistently well.

[Bigdog24]

0% chance.

:facepalm: :bang3:

[Chocolate Lab]

So the basis for this is that Gruden worked for a similar ringmaster before? That's not exactly going to be Jerry's reasoning behind hiring a new coach.

[Bigdog24]

So the basis for this is that Gruden worked for a similar ringmaster before? That's not exactly going to be Jerry's reasoning behind hiring a new coach.

When it comes to football, has there ever been any reasoning behind Jerry Jones decision making. :confused: Yet, I would love to see Jerry finally stand up and take charge to get this pathetic team straightened out before its to late.

[Aven8]

Sounds good to me. Would love to see Romo walking off the field with a pick with Gruden. Bring it on! Romo is Gannon, but better. Elusive and accurate.

[jnday]

0% chance.

I agree. Not because of Gruden, but because Jerry will stick with Garrett for a long time. Jerry has wanted Garrett as a HC for several years. He is not going to give up on him and admit he was wrong this easily. Two or three more bad seasons and he may consider it.

[Boys122]

If we beat Atlanta, all this talk will go away. If we lose, I could see something happening. Especially, playing the Eagles right after the Falcons game.

We might be 3-6 by then.

[KB1122]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.

[ConstantReboot]

I love Tony Dungy but I'm not sure you could talk him into coming back esp to Dallas. I'm not sure you could get him to even talk to you.

I'm not in favor of a new coach as you just haven't had time to evaluate Garrett although I'm getting more concerned about some aspects. OTOH, I'm liking a lot of what I see as well.

The whole point is you have a good bit of time invested in developing this particular vertical offense we're running. If you bring someone else in here then you're starting over with your offense. That's just a bad idea at this time as long as you can see the team moving forward no matter how slow it may be in some areas.

I do think for the time being Jason needs to move a little more towards putting in more horizontal plays. He's already shown that can be very effective using Witten in that manner. I also think he needs to find the routes that Dez can run more consistently well.

Garrett has been calling the offense for about 6 years now. Every year it gets worst. At one time we were one of the top offenses in the league. Since Garrett has taken complete control, this offense has withered.

I think its time for a different offensive philosophy.

[28 Joker]

I think hiring Mike Lombardi as general manager and allowing him to bring in his own people would be a good start. Go get Jon Gruden and let him bring Lombardi with him. Gruden or Fisher should have been the two top guys to start with. I think Garrett fooled some people with his 5-3 2010 finish. He had to play with Jon Kitna, and he was forced to run the ball consistently in the second half of the season. He was forced to have a screen game, too.

That would be a good start for the Cowboys if they want to regain credibility and salvage a demoralized fan base. I was hoping Gruden would be the next coach at Tennessee, and he was very interested in the job three years ago. This guy wants to coach, imo. It was reported that Gruden was watching the Vols play on his flight to Arizona. There is a picture of him on the internet taking notes. Gruden has land in East Tennessee, and his wife is a Tennessee native. Gruden was a graduate assistant at Tennessee back in the mid-1980s. What do you know. Gruden actually had to pay his coaching dues and work his way up the coaching ranks. I liked Gruden and Fisher, but I sure let Garrett fool me with that 5-3 finish. It was nothing but hocus-pocus.

I've sure seen enough of Jason Garrett's inconsistent, erratic coaching. If things stay the way they are, I'm not going to worry about it. The results will eventually be too much for Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett to overcome. The team is headed for 8-8 and quite possibly worse. Why will things be different under Garrett next year?

[Biggems]

Jerry is attached to Garrett the way Coach Pop is attached to Matt Bonner.....what is with these red heads, what mystic power they must possess to continue to fail, but keep their jobs......btw, im a red head too.

[DCBoysfan]

I don't see Garrett going anywhere, but I can see him giving up his play calling duties next year.

[RXP]

Guys. Listen up!!!!

The offense isn't the problem. TURNOVERS are the problem.

The Cowboys are I think 7th in offense. Get rid of the turnovers and this team is 5-2, maybe 6-1. And that's with Garrett as HC.

Take Bryant off special teams. Have him run patterns CORRECTLY. Get rid of Felix permanently. Protect Romo.

These things can be done with Garrett as HC. That's where the problems are.

[Doomsday]

The turnovers are a direct cause of all the mental mistakes and those go right back to JG. It is his offense and it is his job to get these guys ready and to adjust his scheme to better suit their talents. Neither one of those things is happening as far as I can tell.

I still think he has to get another season, you cant keep changing coaches every couple of years that is a recipe for disaster. I like the type of players he has brought in and I really think he will be a good coach, it just sucks he is learning on the job.

[BraveHeartFan]

Don't know if I buy any of this at this point.

[Coy]

Too good to be true.

[DrKennethNoisewater]

I'd love Gruden or a coach like him. To me having a coach like Garrett is fine if you have a team full of leaders. I don't see anyone of the roster stepping up and being that team leader, so you need that from your coach. I have yet to see that from Garrett, so I'd welcome a personality like Gruden in here for the players to follow.

[DrKennethNoisewater]

Guys. Listen up!!!!

The offense isn't the problem. TURNOVERS are the problem.

The Cowboys are I think 7th in offense. Get rid of the turnovers and this team is 5-2, maybe 6-1. And that's with Garrett as HC.

Take Bryant off special teams. Have him run patterns CORRECTLY. Get rid of Felix permanently. Protect Romo.

These things can be done with Garrett as HC. That's where the problems are.
The offense is responsible for the turnovers, so there is the problem. Only averaging 18 PPG is also a product of an unproductive offense. Yards are nice to have, but points are what the offense needs to produce.

[Kangaroo]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.

Who has won a SuperBowl as a HC in two places because there is not one I am aware off. Their are many assistant coaches that have rings that then won Rings as a HC. Pleas enlighten me on a HC that has won SB with two different teams.

I know of 4 coaches that have been to SB with two different teams they lost with one team and won with one.

Shula Lost with Baltimore Colts won with Miami
Parcells won with Giants Lost with NE
Vermiel Lost with Eagles won with Saint Louis Cardinals
Holgrem Won with GB lost with Seahawks

[jgboys1]

0% chance.
I agree.

[ABQCOWBOY]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.


Corrected:

You did say win.

Sorry about that.

[rocboy22]

?

4 that I can think of right now.

Shula, Parcells, Reeves and Vermiel. Unless, of course, I am misinterpreting your statement.

Parcells? Only Giants, right?

Vermiel? Only Rams, right?

Shula? Only Dolphins, right?

Reeves? huh?

[rocboy22]

Corrected:

You did say win.

Sorry about that.

this now makes my other post irrelevant! thanks a lot, haha

[Future]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.
Not true...


Jimmy Johnson won in Pasadena and in Atlanta :starspin:

:laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Redball reminds me a lot of Sean Payton circa 2002. Now, I am not saying that Garrett is going to ultimately become Payton so please, don't start down that path. He may end up seeing that kind of success but I doubt it will be in Dallas.

Payton, like Garrett, was a career backup in the NFL. Payton, like Garrett, was a QB Coach in Philly and then in NY. Payton, like Garrett, was promoted to OC from QB coach. Payton, like Garrett was considered to be a Wunderkind but while in New York, fell out of grace with his Head Coach. At this point, the story takes a different path. This never happened with Garrett. In the case of Payton, he was fired and later got on with Dallas under Parcells. This was probably one of the best things that could have ever happened to Payton. Parcells taught Payton about football and how it works. Payton was always a great offensive minded coach but he never understood the value of field position, turnovers and how offense influences defense and how both have to work together to win. I think that Parcells taught him this and also the value of detail in Coaching. He taught him how to be a HC. That has not happened to Garrett and as long as he stays in Dallas, it probably never will.

It is very unfortunate for both Garrett and the Cowboys because I do believe that Garrett will eventually be a fine HC in this league but not until he gets fired and moves on IMO. Somebody is going to benefit from the time invested in Garrett but I don't think it's going to be us sadly.

[craig71]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.

No head coach has won a super bowl for two different franchises(as others have pointed out). A few have came close, but none have pulled off the feat as of yet. About the only person that you could argue that came close was Weeb Ewbank who coached the Colts to a couple of championship titles in the late 50's. After the Colts fired Ewbank(for Don Shula) he took over the Jets and in 68' those Jets defeated Shula's Colts in super bowl III.


Craig

[Supercowboy1986]

if gruden comes to dallas consider it a christmas miracle.

[Chocolate Lab]

The "never won two SB" argument is laughable. Like getting to a SB as Parcells or Holmgren did wouldn't be preferable to what we're doing now.

And Holmgren should have done it anyway if not for the worst-called SB I've ever seen.

[Aven8]

The "never won two SB" argument is laughable. Like getting to a SB as Parcells or Holmgren did wouldn't be preferable to what we're doing now.

And Holmgren should have done it anyway if not for the worst-called SB I've ever seen.

I'm with you. I would leap over Cowboys stadium tomorrow if we could get Holmgren or Gruden as our next HC.

[Hostile]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.I could easily be wrong, but I don't believe any coach has won championships with 2 different franchises.

[rocboy22]

I could easily be wrong, but I don't believe any coach has won championships with 2 different franchises.

see craig71's post above

[dallasdave]

Gruden, do whatever it takes to get him.:p:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I would love to have Chucky as HC, but of course, you know the buttheads in New York and elsewhere will insist we have legitimate interviews with minority candidates as a facade before we hire Gruden.

That is why the Rooney Rule is flawed tremendously. If Jerry wants Gruden, he will get Gruden. Having to reinterview Mike Singletary will not change that decision.

[dallasdave]

Gruden as head coach and Norv Turner as off coordinator -once he is fired by the Chargers.;)

[Zman5]

I thought Jerry would never hire Parcells too. 0% chance.

Anything is possible.

[dallasdave]

Gruden, Gruden, Gruden :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[silver]

Wow so now we have to settle for Coaches who can co-exist with Al Davis type lunatics. Which doesn't address the real issue that the Al Davis way doesn't work, didn't work in Oakland and hasn't work here for the past 16 years.

[RS12]

I thought Jerry would never hire Parcells too. 0% chance.

Anything is possible.

Jerry wanted a stadium. Parcells coming off a divorce wanted to pad his retirement account. Short lived match made in heaven.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

0% chance.

-100% chance

[the kid 05]

Just get me Cowher and I will be a happy clam.

why do you want to wait another 14 years in order for him to win a super bowl?

[Hoofbite]

0% chance.

Unfortunately.

Rather than get the most of out of the core guys the team has now in Ware, Witten, Romo, Ratliff and others.........us fans get to watch an NFL version of The Apprentice in hopes that a guy who's spent his entire life around football can eventually master the basics of clock management.

While about as unlikely as it gets, 0% is probably too far to go.

Even if Jerry himself had said 0%, I'd still factor in the BS variable.

[Hoofbite]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.

That's because getting a coach who has won a SB and will be around for the long haul is pretty rare.

Anyone think the Patriots are in a hurry to get rid of Bill?

How about New Orleans and Payton?

McCarthy and Green Bay?

Tomlin?

What's percentage of players who have won a Superbowl were named "DeMarcus"?

[casmith07]

These reports are just dumb.

[tunahelper]

Gruden with rob ryan would have success in dallas. Garrett is inexperienced and his run as oc & hc has shown he is over his head.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Gruden as head coach and Norv Turner as off coordinator -once he is fired by the Chargers.;)

Norv would not be the OC in Dallas. Callahan would be the OC in Dallas I would think.. Callahan was Gruden's OC in Oakland when Chucky was the HC so I'd imagine that this would be how it would work in Dallas if this scenario ever played out, which it won't.

Anyhow, I would guess Callahan if the unrealistic ever came to fruition.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Gruden with rob ryan would have success in dallas. Garrett is inexperienced and his run as oc & hc has shown he is over his head.

I would not count on Ryan being the DC in Dallas if Gruden came aboard either. If Ryan continues to have a good defense this year, I would guess that he would probably have an offer or two from other teams. If we hired Gruden as HC and never considered Ryan, I would guess that he would move on. JMO

[dallasdave]

Take it for what it is worth....But, this guy does have some good sources.




It has been rumored for years that Bill Cowher, who settled down in North Carolina, would be the successor to John Fox in Carolina. With Marty Hurney already in place and Cowher’s desire to oversee his own front-office regime a la Bill Belichick, Jeff Fisher and the more established coaches in the league, it never materialized. One requisite for the job for Cowher, after the Steelers won a Super Bowl upon Ben Roethlisberger’s arrival, was that a quarterback be in place, a need the Panthers did not have filled when Ron Rivera (now 7-16 as the team's head coach) was hired. Cam Newton is more physically gifted than Roethlisberger, who was able to succeed in Pittsburgh initially with a very simplified playbook and a strong running game. Although reports have emerged of the use of a consulting firm to replace Hurney, one might not be needed with Cowher already working outside the league, where many top candidates appear to be coming from.

Former Eagles and Bears personnel man Bobby DePaul, the man most responsible for bringing Rivera to Chicago, also remains available, after taking a position as a coach/personnel boss in the UFL, which coincidentally suspended operations days before Hurney was released. Former Raiders personnel man Mike Lombardi, who is expected to land back in a personnel role this offseason, and Jon Gruden, who shared a short stint in Philadelphia with DePaul and Lombardi, also remains available and is believed in personnel circles to be the front-runner for the Cowboys' head-coaching job if Jerry Jones decides to part ways with a struggling Jason Garrett. Gruden was one of the few coaches who have had success working for Al Davis, the owner most similarly hands-on and meddlesome as Jones, and Gruden has been overly effusive in his praise of Jones and the Cowboys in his coverage of the team on ESPN’s "Monday Night Football" broadcasts.

Don’t be surprised if many of the NFL’s rock-star list of out-of-league candidates find a way back into the league this offseason, with many interested in controlling personnel and as many as five GMs (Cleveland, Kansas City, Jacksonville, San Diego and the New York Jets) with sub-.500 records all facing closer scrutiny than ever in an age of increasing accountability.



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Bring in John-Boy

[fortdick]

I think you could bring in Jimmy Johnson v2, Bill Parcells (done that) and pretty much every other HOF coach and they will all struggle with a clown for a GM.

The players just wont respond well to the circus and haven't. Even Bill couldnt get rid of the entire circus that the GM brings to the table.

Say what you will, Jerry has won three superbowls. I know everyone says it was Jimmy that won, but Jerry won one with Switzer as the coach.

I don't believe for a second anyone would want to win more than Jerry. I alos think that this whole parity thing has limited the league to basically four teams that are perennial winners and the rest are just up and down.

Jerry can't do anything about the situation the team is in. He spent everything during the offseason to improve the defense, but now it is the offense that is hurting the team. You are only as good as you weakest link, and on offense that is our WR's. Lots of talent but no sense.

I guess we could pull th same crap Indie did last seaosn in the Suck for Luck contest, and get ourselves the best player in the draft. But I don;t see Jerry ever tanking a game for whatever reason.

I wish Madden football had never been invented because too many fans think that yuou can just swap player and win a championship. It doesn't work that way, but try telling that to the naysayers.

[dallasdave]

Get it done:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

[wileedog]

Say what you will, Jerry has won three superbowls. I know everyone says it was Jimmy that won, but Jerry won one with Switzer as the coach..

The fact that he has hasn't come anywhere close to replicating the feat in 17 years only underscores how much those Superbowls were a result of Jimmy being here evaluating talent.

Jerry Jones the GM on his own has been a disaster.

Gruden would be the best thing for the remaining years of Romo. The guy got to the SB with Rich Gannon, he sure as heck can do it with Romo.

[fortdick]

The fact that he has hasn't come anywhere close to replicating the feat in 17 years only underscores how much those Superbowls were a result of Jimmy being here evaluating talent.

Jerry Jones the GM on his own has been a disaster.

Gruden would be the best thing for the remaining years of Romo. The guy got to the SB with Rich Gannon, he sure as heck can do it with Romo.

I believe the salary cap and whole parity business have had more to do with it. The Niners have done no better and they were the only team to challenge Dallas in the early 90's.

Jimmy left after the 93 superbowl. Mainly because he felt Jerry wouldn't let him runs things the way he wanted. So, Jerry ran things then like he does now.

You can blame Jerry all you want, but he isn't going to change and if you are a Cowboy supporter you have to live with it. It isn't something new in the 21 years he has owned the team. If it gives everyone so much heartburn, root for another team, cause this is the way our team is.

Funny thing is, in 1987 and 1988, the same things were said about Landry and Schramm.

[Fredd]

I believe the salary cap and whole parity business have had more to do with it. The Niners have done no better and they were the only team to challenge Dallas in the early 90's.

Jimmy left after the 93 superbowl. Mainly because he felt Jerry wouldn't let him runs things the way he wanted. So, Jerry ran things then like he does now.

You can blame Jerry all you want, but he isn't going to change and if you are a Cowboy supporter you have to live with it. It isn't something new in the 21 years he has owned the team. If it gives everyone so much heartburn, root for another team, cause this is the way our team is.

Funny thing is, in 1987 and 1988, the same things were said about Landry and Schramm.


Actually, they said that Landry was stale as a coach and predictable...Garrett isn't stale, he just is NOT a good head coach...time to move on from the little red-headed step child...

[dadymat]

Here is the basic problem: If things go sour maybe Jerry gets pressured to dump Red, but he wont give up control. That is precisely the reason Gruden left Oakland. Call me me highly sceptical. None of these big name coaches wants to be set up for failure.

not true, Gruden was in last year of his contract and Al wanted a different offensive philosophy....so Gruden was traded, there was no power struggle

[Hussein]

is Jerry. He needs to ask himself if he wants to win a championship again, or be the front man for a three-ring circus.

I'm fine with him being th GM, but he has to be much less visible.

[IAMKING]

0% chance.

It's official then. :confused:

[BAZ]

Gruden is a circus move. People are deluded if they think he would change the culture in Dallas.

[WPBCowboysFan]

90 years of NFL football. 1 coach that has won a championship in two different places.

Nevermind.

[RW Hitman]

I'm not in favor of a new coach as you just haven't had time to evaluate Garrett although I'm getting more concerned about some aspects. OTOH, I'm liking a lot of what I see as well.

The whole point is you have a good bit of time invested in developing this particular vertical offense we're running. If you bring someone else in here then you're starting over with your offense. That's just a bad idea at this time as long as you can see the team moving forward no matter how slow it may be in some areas.

I do think for the time being Jason needs to move a little more towards putting in more horizontal plays. He's already shown that can be very effective using Witten in that manner. I also think he needs to find the routes that Dez can run more consistently well.

this I agree with... there is a lot about Payton I am troubled with (lack of adjustments, playcalling, time mgmt) but there is an element to him that has not had time to be fully implemented yet and is a positive for this team (some being player respect, ability to work with other coaches, and building of a team of leaders).

I said I agree with Jobberone here but more because we know Jerry and he will not be ready to throw in the towel on JG. He will wait it out and see what progresses, especially when the core players like Romo, Witten, Ware, etc... do not have time at their age to rebuild again to a new coach and offense.

I believe the day we see a new coach is the day Jerry and this team will be in full blown rebuilding mode.