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Gemini Dolly
10-31-2012, 09:50 PM
FORT WORTH, Texas -- You are coming in loud and clear, via either the written word on e-mail, text and the comments section, or the booming voices of disgust on sports talk radio.

You are sick and tired of being sick and tired of a sinister, elaborate media plot that continually "protects" Tony Romo, even when he does something real stupid, and the other team either ends up with the football or, in a far too common occurrence this season, ends up with a pick six.
Personally, I stand accused of being involved in this Romo protection scheme, but it goes much higher, reaching all the way to Babe on radio and Troy on TV.

"It's always the fault of somebody else, not Romo," that's your scream.
No, not always. But sometimes.The bottom line for this season on Tony is he had a great game to open the season in the Meadowlands, and since then he's been mediocre to awful. Obviously way too many turnovers have been involved.

Is it all his fault? No. But does the turnover column change? No.
The boiling point, of course, was reached last weekend at The Big Yard. For all you "sick and tired" people, let us quickly review that turnover-fest.
The Giants won by scoring 29 points. Twenty-three of those points came on Cow turnovers. Seventeen of those points can be traced directly to three of the four interceptions thrown by Romo and the fourth one ended the most critical and disappointing drive of the game.

For guidance here, I turned to The Man Who Watches Film.
A brief background explanation on The Man Who Watches Film: He once was an assistant coach for the Cowboys and also a scout in the organization, but that was in the '90s. He has no ties to Romo. And since the '90s, no ties to Jason Garrett, nor to the organization.
He is The Man Who Watches Film. And then says what he sees.
Here's what he saw against the Giants:





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Doomsay
10-31-2012, 10:22 PM
Great article - the film guy's observations of Tony's pics and the o tree throw.

T-RO
10-31-2012, 10:34 PM
There are the objective facts...

Again, Romo haters are ground into a fine powder and thrown into one of three receptacles...Each well labelled, "Ignorant" "Prejudiced" "Haters."

Deion Sanders is all three: Ignorant. Prejudiced. Hater. He wins the ignominious triple crown of buffoonery.

Oh_Canada
10-31-2012, 10:50 PM
There are the objective facts...

Again, Romo haters are ground into a fine powder and thrown into one of three receptacles...Each well labelled, "Ignorant" "Prejudiced" "Haters."

Deion Sanders is all three: Ignorant. Prejudiced. Hater. He wins the ignominious triple crown of buffoonery.

I really don't get your point here...the expert just said Romo was at fault for the pick-six and that dumb throw on 3rd and 1 and you think it proves what exactly? Guess your pleased with mediocrity at the QB position.

T-RO
10-31-2012, 10:58 PM
Mediocrity? All the elite scouts put Romo in the top 10. ALL. OF. THEM. The elite analysts of the sport know that Romo is cast into a situation with all three:
- Below average line play
- Ridiculous receivers (Miles is fine when his wheels are good, but when is that ever the case?) Dez and Ogletree wouldn't even be playing on most teams.
- Below average running backs (with Murray now hurt)

I challenge you to find elite analysts to say otherwise.

Romo is perhaps the best player on this offense...and is the least of our problems. In fact...he is the only thing keeping the ship from utterly sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

Rack Bauer
10-31-2012, 11:10 PM
I really don't get your point here...the expert just said Romo was at fault for the pick-six and that dumb throw on 3rd and 1 and you think it proves what exactly? Guess your pleased with mediocrity at the QB position.

That pick 6 was not on romo. Felix was open, yes. but not WIDE OPEN. If he'd lofted it the defener in the vicinity would have closed on him by the time he got there. not to mention Romo would be expecting JPP to stay on his pass rush, not give up and drift off to cover Felix. Also, look at the angle he threw it, Tyron is directly between Romo and JPP. couldn't even see him.

And that 3rd and 1 play? The guy who watches the film said it was the right read. OTree just couldn't beat his man (as usual).

Romo's worst pass of the day was that miss to Hanna at the back of the endzone (they still scored a TD on the play), not any of the ints.

Idgit
10-31-2012, 11:30 PM
That was barely readable, but it ended up being a pretty good article anyway if you just read the quotes. Pretty much says what we all though about the first pick and the pick six. Interesting that he puts pick number 2 on Miles, because that one sure looked like Tony's ball placement problem to me.

couchscout
10-31-2012, 11:30 PM
Seems like someone else who also watches film for a living was trying to tell you guys a few days ago that Dez ran a post instead of a dig...

Idgit
10-31-2012, 11:32 PM
Seems like someone else who also watches film for a living was trying to tell you guys a few days ago that Dez ran a post instead of a dig...

Most of us never doubted it :). Then again, some people don't like Tony Romo as much as we do.

couchscout
10-31-2012, 11:35 PM
That was barely readable, but it ended up being a pretty good article anyway if you just read the quotes. Pretty much says what we all though about the first pick and the pick six. Interesting that he puts pick number 2 on Miles, because that one sure looked like Tony's ball placement problem to me.


You know, we keep hearing all these fans talk about how Romo needs to throw the ball up in one on one situations and let his WRs make a play. Well, he did. That is the result. I personally put it on Romo because I think at this point he should know better about trusting this corp of WRs, but I could easily see where Miles would be at fault as well.

There is a saying in football, QB coaches and OCs tell their QBs this all the time. "If he's even, he's leaving" It basically means, in one on one situations if the WR gets even with the defender, throw it because they are gonna blow past them. Miles was even when that ball was released, he then proceeded to play the ball in the air about as badly as you can short of just standing there and watching it.

Still, if I'm Romo, I don't throw that ball.

Picksix
10-31-2012, 11:48 PM
There was another throw, later in the game, down the left sidelines, where it looked like Romo put it where it needed to be, but Miles slowed up on his route, then sped back up. By then it was too late, and the ball was overthrown. Seemed like Miles misjudged how deep the ball was going to go. Also seems like Romo and Miles are having difficulty hooking up on deep throws. Perhaps they should use Miles more as a possession receiver, despite his speed.

AMERICAS_FAN
11-01-2012, 12:01 AM
Mediocrity? All the elite scouts put Romo in the top 10. ALL. OF. THEM. The elite analysts of the sport know that Romo is cast into a situation with all three:
- Below average line play
- Ridiculous receivers (Miles is fine when his wheels are good, but when is that ever the case?) Dez and Ogletree wouldn't even be playing on most teams.
- Below average running backs (with Murray now hurt)

I challenge you to find elite analysts to say otherwise.

Romo is perhaps the best player on this offense...and is the least of our problems. In fact...he is the only thing keeping the ship from utterly sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

Terrific post! Well said and accurate, which is why nobody has challenger it - because they can't. Kudos!!!

CowboyFan74
11-01-2012, 12:43 AM
I agree with everything in this article except this part:

"People say there are trust issues with this offense. Heck, yes, there are. Any quarterback would have trust issues with those receivers."

I hate to say it but it should be the reverse. I don't believe the receivers trust Romo.. How many times has he thrown such a poor pass that the receivers have had to dive, jump very high, and even worse stretch themselves out exposing their ribs, spleen, etc?RW was never the same once Romo got his ribs busted up but that's just filler for the discussion.

TO (Yes he's a tool,) used to complain all the time about having to run routes, being wide open, and then either A. not getting the ball or B. it being a bad pass.

I see the same frustration in Austin's face every game. He just shakes it off. Dez is doing well all things considering, there's a learning curve there and he's still young. What's Oh no's excuse? Turnover Tony is a seasoned Vet but he is actually getting worse every game...

Romo needs to be benched, even if its just ONE freaken game, he needs to be benched already.. Where's the accountability?? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

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btcutter
11-01-2012, 01:36 AM
That was barely readable, but it ended up being a pretty good article anyway if you just read the quotes. Pretty much says what we all though about the first pick and the pick six. Interesting that he puts pick number 2 on Miles, because that one sure looked like Tony's ball placement problem to me.

Not only was the scout correct. Tony even throw it to the right spot....outside and away from S and potential double coverage. It was WR's JOB to get outside so he has one on one with no safety help.

If you watch the replay, you can see the safety inside Austin and would easily make a play if the ball was throw to the inside.

tecolote
11-01-2012, 02:00 AM
I will never understand why Dez and Otree continue to run option routes when they clearly struggle doing that. Dez is a monster, Garrett should use him to his strengths or trade him.

Numbers921
11-01-2012, 02:53 AM
I will never understand why Dez and Otree continue to run option routes when they clearly struggle doing that. Dez is a monster, Garrett should use him to his strengths or trade him.

Adjusting to his personnel has always been too much to ask for Garrett.

KB1122
11-01-2012, 04:26 AM
The bad news is that we have a quarterback on pace for 30 interceptions. The good news is that it's never his fault.

diehard2294
11-01-2012, 07:09 AM
I think Romo carries to much burden, he has to make up for flaws in other parts of this team. He then has to face the media outlash whenever he can't pull this team out of a bad situation. I don't feel we will win a SB with him because I see a lot of work left to be done with this team moving forward. I mean we don't have a WR you can count on, one minute they make an amazing catch and the other they can't adjust a route.

He doesn't always make the best plays but ask yourself how many times he keeps drives alive with his feet. I don't love him or hate him I just feel he is in a tough spot

Outlaw Heroes
11-01-2012, 08:15 AM
Seems like someone else who also watches film for a living was trying to tell you guys a few days ago that Dez ran a post instead of a dig...

If they didn't take Aikman's word for it perhaps it's not surprising that they didn't take yours.

Yakuza Rich
11-01-2012, 08:19 AM
I really don't get your point here...the expert just said Romo was at fault for the pick-six and that dumb throw on 3rd and 1 and you think it proves what exactly? Guess your pleased with mediocrity at the QB position.

That and they are not facts. They are opinion based on the 'expert.' I can't agree with him on the 2nd pick. Inside leverage and it's throw to the outside. Yeah, would have been nice for Miles to make a better play at the ball, but that's a bad throw.





YR

Outlaw Heroes
11-01-2012, 08:32 AM
That and they are not facts. They are opinion based on the 'expert.' I can't agree with him on the 2nd pick. Inside leverage and it's throw to the outside. Yeah, would have been nice for Miles to make a better play at the ball, but that's a bad throw.





YR

The throw was off, for sure, but I disagree with those who suggest that the pass should not have been attempted.

dfense
11-01-2012, 08:40 AM
FORT WORTH, Texas -- You are coming in loud and clear, via either the written word on e-mail, text and the comments section, or the booming voices of disgust on sports talk radio.

You are sick and tired of being sick and tired of a sinister, elaborate media plot that continually "protects" Tony Romo, even when he does something real stupid, and the other team either ends up with the football or, in a far too common occurrence this season, ends up with a pick six.
Personally, I stand accused of being involved in this Romo protection scheme, but it goes much higher, reaching all the way to Babe on radio and Troy on TV.

"It's always the fault of somebody else, not Romo," that's your scream.
No, not always. But sometimes.The bottom line for this season on Tony is he had a great game to open the season in the Meadowlands, and since then he's been mediocre to awful. Obviously way too many turnovers have been involved.

Is it all his fault? No. But does the turnover column change? No.
The boiling point, of course, was reached last weekend at The Big Yard. For all you "sick and tired" people, let us quickly review that turnover-fest.
The Giants won by scoring 29 points. Twenty-three of those points came on Cow turnovers. Seventeen of those points can be traced directly to three of the four interceptions thrown by Romo and the fourth one ended the most critical and disappointing drive of the game.

For guidance here, I turned to The Man Who Watches Film.
A brief background explanation on The Man Who Watches Film: He once was an assistant coach for the Cowboys and also a scout in the organization, but that was in the '90s. He has no ties to Romo. And since the '90s, no ties to Jason Garrett, nor to the organization.
He is The Man Who Watches Film. And then says what he sees.
Here's what he saw against the Giants:






Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/31/4952893/randy-galloway-an-independent.html#mi_rss=Wire%20Lifestyle?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#storylink=cpy
Wow, finally a half way decent editorial from Galloway. I'm impressed.

KB1122
11-01-2012, 08:47 AM
One element never analyzed, how much does Romo's relatively weak arm matter? Does Aaron Rodgers not make the same picks?

Oh_Canada
11-01-2012, 08:50 AM
That pick 6 was not on romo. Felix was open, yes. but not WIDE OPEN. If he'd lofted it the defener in the vicinity would have closed on him by the time he got there. not to mention Romo would be expecting JPP to stay on his pass rush, not give up and drift off to cover Felix. Also, look at the angle he threw it, Tyron is directly between Romo and JPP. couldn't even see him.

And that 3rd and 1 play? The guy who watches the film said it was the right read. OTree just couldn't beat his man (as usual).



Speaking of ignore, I find it curious that you chose to ignore the "experts" take on this and decided to pick and choose which comments you believe. The throw to Felix was horrible....you can elect to see this through Romo-colored glasses all you want. As far as the first pick goes, I still don't think it would have been a successful play regardless of what Bryant ran. The play fake was brutal, so the safety read it from the get-go and Bryant would have been leveled had he crossed him. However, I do think Bryant needs to run a better route to give it a chance. The Austin throw was bad, just because Miles didn't play defensive back doesn't make it better. Romo's choice on third and one late in the fourth was laughable and you can berate me all you want about my background....it was a dumb audible from a QB who is not known for his patience or his decision making.

silver
11-01-2012, 09:20 AM
One element never analyzed, how much does Romo's relatively weak arm matter? Does Aaron Rodgers not make the same picks?

It matters but not a lot. Yes he has to anticipate the receivers routes just like a Peyton Manning would. But even guys with rocket arms like Troy or Favre needed trusty receivers.

craig71
11-01-2012, 10:30 AM
One element never analyzed, how much does Romo's relatively weak arm matter? Does Aaron Rodgers not make the same picks?


I think your arm strength question falls into the "it depends" category. It really depends on the coverage, pattern ran and depth. On some throws a noodle arm is all that is needed as long as you have good ball placement. On other thows you have to have good ball placement as well as a strong arm to beat a defender, ie. splitting defenders.

The next time you get a chance to see some old highlights of Aikman throwing the ball to his receivers pay attention to the depth of some of the routes. After watching those highlights go and watch Garrett or Peete throw to those same receivers and the depth of their routes. You will see a night and day difference.


Craig

Randy White
11-01-2012, 11:07 AM
I really don't get your point here...the expert just said Romo was at fault for the pick-six and that dumb throw on 3rd and 1 and you think it proves what exactly? Guess your pleased with mediocrity at the QB position.

Read the article again. Romo made the right decision on 3rd and 1.. but it so happens that the player the ball was going to is not good.

arglebargle
11-01-2012, 11:09 AM
I will never understand why Dez and Otree continue to run option routes when they clearly struggle doing that. Dez is a monster, Garrett should use him to his strengths or trade him.

The thing I don't get is that: continuing to use them in ways they don't do well. If Dez screws up option routes, don't give him any. Yes it creates a weakness the defense can exploit, if they are sharp. But it takes away chances at a self inflicted wound.

Don't know what the deal is with Otree: After the first game I thought I was wrong about him, but since then he's been regressing to the poor.

btcutter
11-01-2012, 11:18 AM
That and they are not facts. They are opinion based on the 'expert.' I can't agree with him on the 2nd pick. Inside leverage and it's throw to the outside. Yeah, would have been nice for Miles to make a better play at the ball, but that's a bad throw.





YR
I disagree with you. Cb has S help from inside. The replay shows the S was closing from inside and would have an easier pick if the throw to the inside. Romo was right in throwing to the outside.WR needed to get outside leverage AWAY from S help. I fell Austin just got caught inside because Webster routed him and he never recovered.

erod
11-01-2012, 11:22 AM
It saddens me that, in the Year of our Lord 2012, it is a new discovery that interceptions are the result of miscommunication between quarterback and receiver.

Protection, throw, route, catch. There are four parts to every completion, interception, and incompletion.

Duh.

TwoDeep3
11-01-2012, 11:31 AM
I really don't get your point here...the expert just said Romo was at fault for the pick-six and that dumb throw on 3rd and 1 and you think it proves what exactly? Guess your pleased with mediocrity at the QB position.

Pleased with the results and blaming the wrong guy are not synonymous.

Aikman was called out by fans back in the mid nineties because he was reluctant to throw the ball to players that wouldn't fight for it.

The QB gets blamed when the back half of a pass is misplayed by the receiver or allowed to get into the hands of the defender.

You will never understand this because you have made up your mind.

I was like you once. Then I started looking closer.

The answers are there. Your interpretation of them is incorrect for the most part. But the answers are evident.

Idgit
11-01-2012, 11:50 AM
Wow, finally a half way decent editorial from Galloway. I'm impressed.

It's half-way decent because half of it is quotes from someone who knows what he's talking about.

ABQCOWBOY
11-01-2012, 12:01 PM
That was barely readable, but it ended up being a pretty good article anyway if you just read the quotes. Pretty much says what we all though about the first pick and the pick six. Interesting that he puts pick number 2 on Miles, because that one sure looked like Tony's ball placement problem to me.

Not me. I don't believe the evaluation of the 1st pick is accurate. I still believe that it was a poor decision. Re-watched it again and still, I think the Giants new what was coming and they baited Tony. I think the ball was thrown too high, even if the route was run correctly and I think Tony threw a medicine ball, at best. I know you don't agree with this Idgit. That's OK but for the record, I don't agree with this guy. JMO.

Idgit
11-01-2012, 12:10 PM
Not me. I don't believe the evaluation of the 1st pick is accurate. I still believe that it was a poor decision. Re-watched it again and still, I think the Giants new what was coming and they baited Tony. I think the ball was thrown too high, even if the route was run correctly and I think Tony threw a medicine ball, at best. I know you don't agree with this Idgit. That's OK but for the record, I don't agree with this guy. JMO.

Lol. I was passively-aggressively sliding that by to see if anyone would bite. Because then I get to say 'Yeah, but The Guy Who Watched Some Film' agrees with *me.*

ABQCOWBOY
11-01-2012, 12:19 PM
Lol. I was passively-aggressively sliding that by to see if anyone would bite. Because then I get to say 'Yeah, but The Guy Who Watched Some Film' agrees with *me.*


Fair enough but who's the guy? I don't know. By his logic, Tony should have gone to Miles. One deep Safety that stayed in the middle of the field and in the area of the Dig route should dictate that you go to the single coverage which was Miles. He says this on the throw to OTree. If it's the correct read on that play, how can it be the incorrect read on this one?

You can agree with him, but I do not.

Watch that play again. The INT is made about 20 yards from the LOS. If Dez runs that route correctly, that ball is not on target for the route. It's way high and Dez has to go up and get it. There is no guarantee that it's still not intercepted or that Dez doesn't get the crap knocked out of him. If that ball would have been on target, that might not have been intercepted because you figure could easily have been thrown short. Who knows but after watching it over and over, I still do not agree that it was a good decision.

Oh_Canada
11-01-2012, 12:49 PM
Pleased with the results and blaming the wrong guy are not synonymous.

Aikman was called out by fans back in the mid nineties because he was reluctant to throw the ball to players that wouldn't fight for it.

The QB gets blamed when the back half of a pass is misplayed by the receiver or allowed to get into the hands of the defender.

You will never understand this because you have made up your mind.

I was like you once. Then I started looking closer.

The answers are there. Your interpretation of them is incorrect for the most part. But the answers are evident.

R u seriously comparing Romo with a three time Super Bowl champ??
He had just finished throwing two picks and the guy floats a lob ball to the sideline while his guy has inside position?? You're ok with that? I think it's you who can't see the forest from the trees.
I was a huge Romo fan until last year right up until his meltdown vs. the Lions game so stop pretending you know me because you don't obviously. I know the guy has talent, I know he's better than half the league's QB's...but he isn't elite and he just isn't even at the next level. Basically we have an older version of Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers...good player, but not a guy who can take a team to a Super Bowl unless he gets a lights out defense and STOPS turning the ball over.

Oh_Canada
11-01-2012, 12:51 PM
Read the article again. Romo made the right decision on 3rd and 1.. but it so happens that the player the ball was going to is not good.

Which makes it a POOR choice.

28 Joker
11-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Randy Galloway has been an unapologetic Tony Romo apologist.

I think some people are sick and tired of the inconsistent, erratic results that Tony Romo and Jason Garrett have produced over the last 6 years. Some people don't want to hear the "explanations". They are literally tired of the finger pointing after all the interceptions. Some fans want consistent, positive results, and they are sick and tired of all the turnovers by the QB. Romo and Garrett are tied at the hip, and I don't know how you separate them. How many years have they been together? Jerry Jones has no one to blame but himself, because Jason Garrett was his way of "winning". How has it been working out, Jerry and Stephen?

If Galloway wants to joke about someone's perceived "IQ", he should analyze the ridiculous lack of any common sense that the QB and Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller displayed on 3rd and 1. Yes, Galloway. Run the blasted ball and pick up one blasted yard. Felix Jones powered his way into the end-zone on a 4 yard TD in that game. (Why is Phillip Tanner even carrying the ball on the goal-line after Jones powered his way in?) The Giants had 6 people in the box when they had been stacking it for most of the game. Listening to Garrett's and Romo's excuse for not running the football on 3rd and 1 (with 3 blasted timeouts) is infuriating. You want to talk about dumb?

Jason Garrett should have been fired on Monday for his lack of basic common sense or lack of fundamental situational football, imo. This is on the heels of yet another clock management debacle at Baltimore. By the way, doesn't Tony Romo have enough common sense to call a time out in those situations (at Baltimore or Arizona). How long has he been playing? Obviously, his head coach doesn't have any. That is unforgivable, too.

The fundamental lack of common sense displayed by the head coach and quarterback is unforgivable. I'm talking about the 3rd and 1 play when the Giants' knees were buckling at their own 19 yard line. Four plays to pick up a yard and not one blasted run.... Unforgivable.

One of Jason Garrett's biggest weaknesses is his overconfidence in Tony Romo's abilities as a QB. No wonder there doesn't seem to be any accountability for Romo. An erratic, inconsistent Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller has produced an erratic, inconsistent, reckless quarterback.

If Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have any common sense, they will have Jon Gruden on speed dial and order their scouting department to look for the next starting quarterback. I will not hold my breath.

28 Joker
11-01-2012, 01:24 PM
By the way, many fans didn't approve of the interior offensive line being bought at the Dollar General Store. (I kind of settled and accepted it after I hoped for help in the draft.) I knew Costa could run block, and I thought Bernadeau had good size. Now, Costa is gone. The Cowboys are stuck with a very weak run blocking interior now. Martellus Bennett was a dominant edge blocker, and he's gone. The Cowboys can't run the blasted ball. This could get real ugly if the Cowboys don't start blocking for Felix Jones and Murray when he comes back, real ugly. "It's not the runners. It's the offensive line, stupid." Norm Hitzges is objective enough to state this fact, too.

CowboyGil
11-01-2012, 02:03 PM
I think it's time to bench Tree and give Harris or Holmes more PT. It's obvious JJ won't let JG bench Dez. Obviously all you Romo haters don't even believe an 'expert' when he says Tree and Dez bust at least 3 routes a game if not more. That's horrible. I guess it's Romo's fault for not spoon feeding the offensive playbook to them or teaching them how to run routes.:rolleyes:

ABQCOWBOY
11-01-2012, 02:16 PM
I think it's time to bench Tree and give Harris or Holmes more PT. It's obvious JJ won't let JG bench Dez. Obviously all you Romo haters don't even believe an 'expert' when he says Tree and Dez bust at least 3 routes a game if not more. That's horrible. I guess it's Romo's fault for not spoon feeding the offensive playbook to them or teaching them how to run routes.:rolleyes:

I don't know that it's that we don't believe that both players have issues with routes. I think it's just that we don't always see this as one or the other. At times, it can be both QB and WRs. Sometimes, it can be more then that and that often happens as well.

tomsanders921
11-01-2012, 02:45 PM
I agree with some of the article. But my question is why exactly does romo continue going to these guys in critical situations if he can't trust them? THere has to be blame put on romo as well.

Look at peyton and the broncos. They were out of sync for the first couple weeks. Now they look like they have been playing together for years.

Romo has been in this same offense with mostly the same skill players for a long time now. They should be getting better and more comfortable with time. The exact opposite is happening though.

The offense looks out of sync. A lot of that goes on the quarterback. He is the man in charge when this offense is on the field. There is no reason for him to not be on the same page as the wr's. If it's the wr's problem, he needs to go to garret and make garret understand it is not working and they need to be benched. Or at least call more plays for the guys who are where they are supposed to be.

DFWJC
11-01-2012, 03:09 PM
Seems like someone else who also watches film for a living was trying to tell you guys a few days ago that Dez ran a post instead of a dig...

yes you did.

I just mentioned in another thread that the Cowboys staf went through each turover this year and found Romo's decsion-making at fault just three times.
Things have unfolded ina very fluky manner so far though.

I do think he could have lofted the ball higher on the JPP pick 6. But 9-10 QBs wouold not have...as few football players to ever play have that guy's combined size/athletic ability. he sniffed it out and make a freak play. Sux for us.

Outlaw Heroes
11-01-2012, 03:09 PM
Randy Galloway has been an unapologetic Tony Romo apologist.

I think some people are sick and tired of the inconsistent, erratic results that Tony Romo and Jason Garrett have produced over the last 6 years. Some people don't want to hear the "explanations". They are literally tired of the finger pointing after all the interceptions. Some fans want consistent, positive results, and they are sick and tired of all the turnovers by the QB. Romo and Garrett are tied at the hip, and I don't know how you separate them. How many years have they been together? Jerry Jones has no one to blame but himself, because Jason Garrett was his way of "winning". How has it been working out, Jerry and Stephen?

If Galloway wants to joke about someone's perceived "IQ", he should analyze the ridiculous lack of any common sense that the QB and Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller displayed on 3rd and 1. Yes, Galloway. Run the blasted ball and pick up one blasted yard. Felix Jones powered his way into the end-zone on a 4 yard TD in that game. (Why is Phillip Tanner even carrying the ball on the goal-line after Jones powered his way in?) The Giants had 6 people in the box when they had been stacking it for most of the game. Listening to Garrett's and Romo's excuse for not running the football on 3rd and 1 (with 3 blasted timeouts) is infuriating. You want to talk about dumb?

Jason Garrett should have been fired on Monday for his lack of basic common sense or lack of fundamental situational football, imo. This is on the heels of yet another clock management debacle at Baltimore. By the way, doesn't Tony Romo have enough common sense to call a time out in those situations (at Baltimore or Arizona). How long has he been playing? Obviously, his head coach doesn't have any. That is unforgivable, too.

The fundamental lack of common sense displayed by the head coach and quarterback is unforgivable. I'm talking about the 3rd and 1 play when the Giants' knees were buckling at their own 19 yard line. Four plays to pick up a yard and not one blasted run.... Unforgivable.

One of Jason Garrett's biggest weaknesses is his overconfidence in Tony Romo's abilities as a QB. No wonder there doesn't seem to be any accountability for Romo. An erratic, inconsistent Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Play Caller has produced an erratic, inconsistent, reckless quarterback.

If Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have any common sense, they will have Jon Gruden on speed dial and order their scouting department to look for the next starting quarterback. I will not hold my breath.

With all due respect, 28, your pet cat was as responsible for the loss as anyone. That fumble (owing to nothing more than careless handling of the rock) was a back-breaker. It gave momentum back to NY at a time when they were reeling. Any perceived mistake Garrett may have made in play-calling pales by comparison.

Bill Wooten
11-01-2012, 03:10 PM
I agree with some of the article. But my question is why exactly does romo continue going to these guys in critical situations if he can't trust them? THere has to be blame put on romo as well.

Then the only receiver he would throw to would be Witten and we'd hear everyone complaining that he doesn't involve any of the WRs or round 2 of the "Romo and Witten are making secret plays" BS.

DFWJC
11-01-2012, 03:13 PM
Just think about how frustrating it must be if you (being Romo) gets pretty much all the blame for picks--and really gets clobbered nationally--when time and time again you actually made the right play.

He has screwed up plenty. No denying some of those blunders.
But this is not high school or college, where you throw the ball when the guy is open.
In the NFL, you throw the ball with anticipation or you never make it past one season. If you can't rely on somene to to be where they should be, or almost as bad, you can't rely on someone to fight their tail off for every ball in air, you are in trouble.

tomsanders921
11-01-2012, 03:22 PM
Then the only receiver he would throw to would be Witten and we'd hear everyone complaining that he doesn't involve any of the WRs or round 2 of the "Romo and Witten are making secret plays" BS.

He should be throwing more to witten and miles. Miles usually makes good things happen.

Never should he throw to ogletree in that situation like he did last week. Take the short throw for the first down to a reliable receiver instead of going for it all with someone who will probably drop it if he gets his hands on it.

DFWJC
11-01-2012, 03:28 PM
He should be throwing more to witten and miles. Miles usually makes good things happen.

Never should he throw to ogletree in that situation like he did last week. Take the short throw for the first down to a reliable receiver instead of going for it all with someone who will probably drop it if he gets his hands on it.
I agree.
On paper it was the right call, but it was higher risk anyway given the player involved.

These guys have split seconds to make the calls, so it make be tought to not go to the guy who was actually the desgned option for the given situation.
In any case, I wish he would have gone for Miles there.

juck
11-01-2012, 03:32 PM
Im a huge Romo critic. I think his carelessness at times isunreal. Fumble and INTs. Howeverthis pattern with Otree and Dez should be fixed by Garrett. If they cant learn then replace them with someone who runs the correct route.

Diogenes
11-01-2012, 03:34 PM
Im a huge Romo critic.


We thought you were on the fence.

Double Trouble
11-01-2012, 04:18 PM
At what point are we going to quit blaming Dez Bryant is the real question...not, whether or not Romo should be blamed.

Dez is what he is. I remember Aikman's comments about Harper getting inside the safety on the big play in the '92 NFCC game, how he knew Irvin would, but wasn't sure about Harper.

That's where Bryant is. Or worse, Romo almost has to expect Dez not to do what he should. The scout in Galloway's article has it right with respect to that play, it's on Romo. Not for a poor read or poor throw, but for trusting Dez Bryant. Or, more appropriately, the real blame is on the guy who made the ultimate decision to burn a 1st rounder on Bryant.

Another wasted pick. Another bad decision. And proving each every week, in spades, why such a physically gifted player dropped so far in the draft.

DFWJC
11-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Emmitt was on the NFLNW talking about some of these plays and how dez just flat out misses his reads.

They showed the Bears pick six and the Giants game as examples.

punchnjudy
11-01-2012, 04:48 PM
Not me. I don't believe the evaluation of the 1st pick is accurate. I still believe that it was a poor decision. Re-watched it again and still, I think the Giants new what was coming and they baited Tony. I think the ball was thrown too high, even if the route was run correctly and I think Tony threw a medicine ball, at best. I know you don't agree with this Idgit. That's OK but for the record, I don't agree with this guy. JMO.

Yeah, it's a stretch to say Dez would have prevented a pick had he attempted the correct route.

If the safety is in good position and Dez is the guy you're counting on to be in exactly the right place at the time...please don't throw that ball.

There's never been any question Dez that screwed up.

DFWJC
11-01-2012, 04:54 PM
Yeah, it's a stretch to say Dez would have prevented a pick had he attempted the correct route.

If the safety is in good position and Dez is the guy you're counting on to be in exactly the right place at the time...please don't throw that ball.

There's never been any question Dez that screwed up.
That part :)

The saftey was right where he was expected to be.
Dez was to cut the route shorter and cut across and in front of the safety for a very easy reception. Instead, he kept going downfield.
You have know choice but assume your recievers will run the right route.
Otherwise, just run the ball every down.

Risen Star
11-01-2012, 05:06 PM
I pretty much agree with what he said. I understand blaming Romo on the JPP pick, but man was that a great play by the defender.

So I guess you blame the QB but far less than you usually would.

ABQCOWBOY
11-01-2012, 05:09 PM
That part :)

The saftey was right where he was expected to be.
Dez was to cut the route shorter and cut across and in front of the safety for a very easy reception. Instead, he kept going downfield.
You have know choice but assume your recievers will run the right route.
Otherwise, just run the ball every down.


Dez absolutely ran the wrong route. That's the one thing that I think everybody can agree on.

However, I honestly believe that the Giants new what was coming. The Cowboys had run 20 play action passes on the season, up to that point. On almost half of them, the play was to Dez on that pattern. I think the Giants new this through film study and they sent the strong safety on a blitz to bait Romo. If you watch the play, the Free Safety slides to the side of the field that Dez is on before the ball is ever in the air. Once the ball is thrown, the Safety breaks on it before Dez does. I think they new that was coming and they jumped that route.

Mr Cowboy
11-01-2012, 06:00 PM
Just think about how frustrating it must be if you (being Romo) gets pretty much all the blame for picks--and really gets clobbered nationally--when time and time again you actually made the right play.

He has screwed up plenty. No denying some of those blunders.
But this is not high school or college, where you throw the ball when the guy is open.
In the NFL, you throw the ball with anticipation or you never make it past one season. If you can't rely on somene to to be where they should be, or almost as bad, you can't rely on someone to fight their tail off for every ball in air, you are in trouble.
This right here!

Look you have to face the fact that Dez is just incapable of learning. He has a limited number of pass routes that he can run and it is risky to have him run option routes based on reading the defense.

Dez would be deadly and probably the best WR in the NFL if only he could learn complex plays like going in motion, and running routes from the slot, ala TO. It is just impossible to do with Dez. I am sure that Garrett wishes he could run a similar offense as when TO was here, vertical seam routes and crossing patterns from Dez. As much as I dislike Garrett as the HC, I don't think he has forgotten that offense that was so successful with TO. He just doesn't have the player to run that offense. And it is sad, because Dez is every bit as talented, if not much more talented than TO.

Rack Bauer
11-01-2012, 06:00 PM
Dez absolutely ran the wrong route. That's the one thing that I think everybody can agree on.

However, I honestly believe that the Giants new what was coming. The Cowboys had run 20 play action passes on the season, up to that point. On almost half of them, the play was to Dez on that pattern. I think the Giants new this through film study and they sent the strong safety on a blitz to bait Romo. If you watch the play, the Free Safety slides to the side of the field that Dez is on before the ball is ever in the air. Once the ball is thrown, the Safety breaks on it before Dez does. I think they new that was coming and they jumped that route.

If the giants knew what was coming, they would have been in position to defend the route Dez was supposed to run, not the route he actually ran.

Unless they also knew he was gonna run the wrong route, and what wrong route he would run.

WPBCowboysFan
11-01-2012, 08:07 PM
I agree with everything in this article except this part:

"People say there are trust issues with this offense. Heck, yes, there are. Any quarterback would have trust issues with those receivers."

I hate to say it but it should be the reverse. I don't believe the receivers trust Romo.. How many times has he thrown such a poor pass that the receivers have had to dive, jump very high, and even worse stretch themselves out exposing their ribs, spleen, etc?RW was never the same once Romo got his ribs busted up but that's just filler for the discussion.

TO (Yes he's a tool,) used to complain all the time about having to run routes, being wide open, and then either A. not getting the ball or B. it being a bad pass.

I see the same frustration in Austin's face every game. He just shakes it off. Dez is doing well all things considering, there's a learning curve there and he's still young. What's Oh no's excuse? Turnover Tony is a seasoned Vet but he is actually getting worse every game...

Romo needs to be benched, even if its just ONE freaken game, he needs to be benched already.. Where's the accountability?? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/31/4952893/randy-galloway-an-independent.html#mi_rss=Wire%20Lifestyle?utm_sourc e=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

Interesting post. Im sure all the Romo apologists will either just ignore or lash out.

The issue that is clearly evident is that Romo and these receivers have all been playing together for a while. None of these guys are new. No matter who deserves the majority of the blame, this stuff should not be happening with as long as these guys have played together.

Rack Bauer
11-01-2012, 08:31 PM
Interesting post. Im sure all the Romo apologists will either just ignore or lash out.

The issue that is clearly evident is that Romo and these receivers have all been playing together for a while. None of these guys are new. No matter who deserves the majority of the blame, this stuff should not be happening with as long as these guys have played together.


So it's Romo not making the right reads?

Or is it WR's not running the right routes?

Go ahead, make your claim.

WPBCowboysFan
11-01-2012, 08:50 PM
So it's Romo not making the right reads?

Or is it WR's not running the right routes?

Go ahead, make your claim.

Well, since nothing is ever Romo's fault it must be . . . . . . . . . . . .

Idgit
11-01-2012, 10:13 PM
"Well, since nothing is ever Romo's fault it must be . . . . . . . . . . . ".

Said nobody, ever.

CowboyFan74
11-01-2012, 10:26 PM
I agree with some of the article. But my question is why exactly does romo continue going to these guys in critical situations if he can't trust them? THere has to be blame put on romo as well.

Look at peyton and the broncos. They were out of sync for the first couple weeks. Now they look like they have been playing together for years.

Romo has been in this same offense with mostly the same skill players for a long time now. They should be getting better and more comfortable with time. The exact opposite is happening though.

The offense looks out of sync. A lot of that goes on the quarterback. He is the man in charge when this offense is on the field. There is no reason for him to not be on the same page as the wr's. If it's the wr's problem, he needs to go to garret and make garret understand it is not working and they need to be benched. Or at least call more plays for the guys who are where they are supposed to be.

:hammer: Best post in the thread...

CowboyFan74
11-01-2012, 10:44 PM
So it's Romo not making the right reads?

Or is it WR's not running the right routes?

Go ahead, make your claim.

As a leader of the offense its inevitably on Romo. He has got to get the troops in line. He has several days between each game to figure it out. WTH are they doing in practice after a big loss exactly?

Is Romo sitting on the bench sulking like he does every single game? Cuz during the games when all this confusion is going on you see Romo sitting on the bench by himself sulking.

Here recently after a turnover you see him reprimand the WR (Mostly Dez) for a few seconds (Which is actually something kinda new here recently) but then he goes and sits by himself.

He is not being a true leader between offensive and defensive play time. Maybe he needs to break out the ole chalk board and spoon feed the troops or get with the WR coach and get to the bottom of this....

burmafrd
11-02-2012, 07:38 AM
As a leader of the offense its inevitably on Romo. He has got to get the troops in line. He has several days between each game to figure it out. WTH are they doing in practice after a big loss exactly?

Is Romo sitting on the bench sulking like he does every single game? Cuz during the games when all this confusion is going on you see Romo sitting on the bench by himself sulking.

Here recently after a turnover you see him reprimand the WR (Mostly Dez) for a few seconds (Which is actually something kinda new here recently) but then he goes and sits by himself.

He is not being a true leader between offensive and defensive play time. Maybe he needs to break out the ole chalk board and spoon feed the troops or get with the WR coach and get to the bottom of this....

one would think that the HC should do this

But of course its all Romo's fault

InmanRoshi
11-02-2012, 08:04 AM
I will never understand why Dez and Otree continue to run option routes when they clearly struggle doing that. Dez is a monster, Garrett should use him to his strengths or trade him.

The entire spread offense that has proliferated the high school and college level is built on the concept of option routes. It aint exactly rocket science. The bigger question is why the Cowboys continue to value mental midgets who can't grasp concepts regularly grasped by 15-19 year olds, and keep them around for 4 years. It should hardly shock anyone that Kevin Ogletree is a moron, I don't know why anyone thought this year would be different. I guess benching sloppy football players, much less cutting ties with them, isn't part of "The Process".

ABQCOWBOY
11-02-2012, 09:27 AM
If the giants knew what was coming, they would have been in position to defend the route Dez was supposed to run, not the route he actually ran.

Unless they also knew he was gonna run the wrong route, and what wrong route he would run.

They were in position to defend it.

CowboyFan74
11-02-2012, 09:43 AM
one would think that the HC should do this

But of course its all Romo's fault

Romo makes $60,000,000

Garrett is making $3,000,000

that's a whopping difference of $57,000,000

(Ok que the semantics police I'm sure there is a slight discrepancy)

But the point is yeah I hold the offensive leader to a much higher standard because after all he is the one physically making the errors and he is the one physically responsible for his OWN actions on the field as well as his subordinates...

Garrett can't throw the passes, run the routes, and catch the freaken ball for these numb skulls...

Blaming the coach for poor Execution is as old as the word excuse itself...

It's not ALL Romo's fault, just about 90%....;)

Maybe we should tar and feather Wade Wilson, why does he get a pass???:D

rickjameschinaclub
11-02-2012, 11:14 AM
Peyton Manning is essentially coaching his own offense... Maybe Romo can side-step Garrett and do the same thing.. Oh yeah, he did, in quarters 2 and 3 when he, per articles, lobbied Garrett to go towards essentially Miles and Witten..

kyle28282
11-03-2012, 11:41 AM
Seems like someone else who also watches film for a living was trying to tell you guys a few days ago that Dez ran a post instead of a dig...


You're totally right...we all really miss your "view from my couch" analysis!!!! :starspin

BraveHeartFan
11-03-2012, 01:42 PM
Eh. Sorry. I don't put a whole lot of stock into the opinion of Galloway or anyone that he 'listens' to because he listens to whoever is telling him exactly what he wants to hear.