RG3 suffers knee injury late in game

[bula]

"Last year's Heisman Trophy winner was helped off the field after being landed on by Ravens defensive tackle Haloti Ngata at the end of a 13-yard scramble. Griffin returned to the game for four plays, then dropped to the turf on his knees and left again."

Looks like a torn ligament but MRI will need to confirm.

[SDCowboy85]

Link?

[MegaMagick]

The skins are done, sorry it had to end that way for them.

[Ultra Warrior]

Thought they said he sprained his knee? WHO is reporting this?

[cbow44]

WOW, what a shame.

[jgboys1]

Wow that would kill the readskins.

[Gameover]

No dropoff with Cousins.

[SkinsFan82]

Yeah, where are you seeing this?

Shanahan confirmed after the game that RG3 asked to come back in the game a second time but they didn't want to risk it so they put him in a brace.

[Gemini Dolly]

I read it was just a sprain, but I guess all injuries are called sprains until MRI?

[DIAF]

Wishful thinking from the OP perhaps?

[mldardy]

No dropoff with Cousins.
There's a huge dropoff with Cousins. Can Cousins do the things RG3 can especially with that read option.

[Lodeus]

If he is out for more than a game then the league should just cancel the rest of the season.

[JohnsKey19]

No dropoff with Cousins.

Potentially. Cousins is a very calm pocket passer. However, teams now wont have to worry about defending such an unconventional offense w/out Griffin.

[mldardy]

Yeah, where are you seeing this?

Shanahan confirmed after the game that RG3 asked to come back in the game a second time but they didn't want to risk it so they put him in a brace.
This means absolutely nothing. Most players ask to come back into the game but notice he DIDN'T. Wait to the MRI to see what really happened.

[Derekmtl85]

Last i read, it was only a sprain and RG3 even wanted to come back to the field a 2nd time.

[Chocolate Lab]

Wishful thinking from the OP perhaps?

Seems like it.

[tomsanders921]

If he is out for more than a game then the league should just cancel the rest of the season.

Looks like the media will have to find somebody else to drool over....

How about giving andrew luck some love. He has been the comeback king so far this year.

[juck]

He had to tear something the way his knee bent and he couldnt even walk on it. Im betting he is done.

[KJJ]

I read it was just a sprain, but I guess all injuries are called sprains until MRI?

Most knee injuries are usually called a sprain initially until an MRI is performed the Redskins can only hope a sprain is all it is.

[SkinsFan82]

This means absolutely nothing. Most players ask to come back into the game but notice he DIDN'T. Wait to the MRI to see what really happened.

That's all fine and good but again, who with knowledge of the situation is saying he's likely done?

I realize that him wanting to come back doesn't mean he's fine, but it's not a *bad* sign.

[links18]

HA, happened sooner than I expected it would, but he was always a season ending injury waiting to happen.

[Ultra Warrior]

He had to tear something the way his knee bent and he couldnt even walk on it. Im betting he is done.
Maybe he has rubber knees like Hines Ward? Heh.

[SkinsFan82]

Here ya go, armchair doctors can diagnose. :)

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1853933/rg3hurt.gif

[Ren]

Sprained knee i think they're saying now, not a season ending thing i'd be surprised if he didn't play next week

[RoyWilliams]

I read it was just a sprain, but I guess all injuries are called sprains until MRI?

It seems like the default initial diagnosis is always a sprain. Seeing it in slow mo and based on his reaction, it looks bad.

[mldardy]

That's all fine and good but again, who with knowledge of the situation is saying he's likely done?

I realize that him wanting to come back doesn't mean he's fine, but it's not a *bad* sign.
Sean Lee wanted to go back in too. He hasn't been back in since. Like I said most players want to go back in especially during a game with the adrenaline rush going on during a game like that.

[SkinsFan82]

Sean Lee wanted to go back in too. He hasn't been back in since. Like I said most players want to go back in especially during a game with the adrenaline rush going on during a game like that.

Yeah, not arguing that point at all, take that away.

The main point of my reply was just to ask where the OP was getting the info from that he was probably done? Was it an actual source or just a personal guess.

[Jenky]

Yeah, not arguing that point at all, take that away.

The main point of my reply was just to ask where the OP was getting the info from that he was probably done? Was it an actual source or just a personal guess.

It looks like he's just speculating.

[rdskn4eva]

Right now they are calling it a sprain. MRI tomorrow.

[danielofthesaints]

No dropoff with Cousins.

I just choked on my beer. Thanks for the laugh. :laugh2:

[Zman5]

Here ya go, armchair doctors can diagnose. :)

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1853933/rg3hurt.gif

Ouch. That was Theismanesque.

[AmericasTeam31]

Tony wanted to come back in with a broken collarbone....

[Zman5]

Tony wanted to come back in with a broken collarbone....

Sean Lee wanted to come back in too.

[RS12]

Everything I have seen on Twitter says you are wrong. RG3 says he doesnt think so and the team is optimistic.

[Cajuncowboy]

Remember the Romo for RG3 thread? This is why most of us said no to the trade because Griffen is not designed to last long because of his style of play.

[MegaMagick]

That .gif was terrible, wow.

[Lodeus]

Tony wanted to come back in with a broken collarbone....

Sean Lee wanted to come back in too.

Its RGIII guys. No one else matters. Dude is changing the game.

[SDCowboy85]

Its RGIII guys. No one else matters. Dude is changing the game.
:lmao:

[JohnsKey19]

He's very fortunate if he avoids even a moderate injury after looking at that replay. That was ugly.

[Sam I Am]

NFL.com says he came back for one play, then had to leave.

The career of a running QB. Short.

[Derekmtl85]

Its RGIII guys. No one else matters. Dude is changing the game.

You do realize, the only ones jumping to conclusions are the ones saying he's out for a long time/season?

The rest of us are just saying, this report is OPINION, not fact. We are waiting for the report tomorrow before declaring him out for the season.

He could be out for the season, but no report has said that yet.

[SkinsFan82]

RG3 having an MRI tonight, so we'll know soon enough.

I have no clue, just hoping it's ok.

For whatever it may be worth, RG3 has had an ACL before and said he knows what that feels like and doesn't believe it is that.

[MegaMagick]

NFL.com says he came back for one play, then had to leave.

The career of a running QB. Short.

Cam will probably last awhile, as long as he stops doing flips into the endzone.

[Super_Kazuya]

He's at the podium now, in good spirits. But added, he'll be "praying" for the MRI.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

He's not out for the year, please change the title of this thread

[T-RO]

This week there was a thread that asked, Luck or RGIII...which would you choose.

I said Luck because of the risk of injury with RGIII. He's a smaller guy who gets exposed to big hits. Now a pocket qb can get hurt too. Romo almost got torn into two pieces in a play today.

But when you are out in the open field and get rolled by a 320 pounder....and your legs are as thin as a deer. I just would be concerned about his career future.

Now I'd say the same thing for the equally exciting Johnny Manziel. At some point somebody almost as fast...and way more massive is going to collide or fall upon little Johnny.

[dexternjack]

I think the video looks worse than it is. Luckily, he was in the air and his foot wasn't planted. Hopefully, it is just a sprain, I don't want to see anyone get a season-ending injury, even if it is a deadskin :)

[ApolytonGP]

I am hoping the ligament is OK and he just hyperextended in a straight motion. Will be painful, but not damaging. HArd to know.

[Pabst]

RG3 having an MRI tonight, so we'll know soon enough.

I have no clue, just hoping it's ok.

For whatever it may be worth, RG3 has had an ACL before and said he knows what that feels like and doesn't believe it is that.

I agree. Ligaments usually have a tell tale "pop" when they tear, and Griffin didn't say anything about that. I'm guessing its a bad strain. Still might mean he's done for the regular season. Hard to say.

[tomson75]

Ouch. That was Theismanesque.

I don't think we're thinking of the same injury then, because that doesn't look a fraction as bad as Thiesman's Tib/Fib.

[RS12]

Blogging The Boys ‏@BloggingTheBoys
I'm catching up on WAS feed- it looks like team docs say it's not ACL for RGIII. I'll use this to remind how much I wanted Cousins in draft
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[SkinsFan82]

According to the presser, had an x-ray which came back negative and the doctors that examined him said the ligaments felt good.

Just need an MRI to confirm.

[Frozen700]

Last i read, it was only a sprain and RG3 even wanted to come back to the field a 2nd time.

He will miss a game at least.

Let him take a clean shot there next week, it will be a wrap.

[RS12]

Y! Fantasy Football ‏@YahooFootball
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[RastaRocket]

Blogging The Boys ‏@BloggingTheBoys
I'm catching up on WAS feed- it looks like team docs say it's not ACL for RGIII. I'll use this to remind how much I wanted Cousins in draft
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What about an MCL?

[danielofthesaints]

RG3 having an MRI tonight, so we'll know soon enough.

I have no clue, just hoping it's ok.

For whatever it may be worth, RG3 has had an ACL before and said he knows what that feels like and doesn't believe it is that.

Note to RG3: There are many other ligaments in your knee than just the ACL. The way his knee was contacted and displaced afterwards looked like it could possibly affect his lateral cruciate ligament

[CopenhagenCowboy]

That .gif was terrible, wow.

Love it. He has to stop fooling around as a QB.

[RS12]

Sky Kerstein ‏@SkyKerstein
#Redskins RG3 "I know what ACL feels like, it doesn't feel like ACL...I feel the positive vibes coming my way."
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[TheIceman]

He will miss a game at least.

Let him take a clean shot there next week, it will be a wrap.

He will miss no time. Dude's a warrior.

[danielofthesaints]

According to the presser, had an x-ray which came back negative and the doctors that examined him said the ligaments felt good.

Just need an MRI to confirm.

Yes, you need the MRI to make any sort of conformation. The X-ray is not the radiograph of choice to determine any type of cartilage injury.

[Risen Star]

This week there was a thread that asked, Luck or RGIII...which would you choose.

I said Luck because of the risk of injury with RGIII. He's a smaller guy who gets exposed to big hits. Now a pocket qb can get hurt too. Romo almost got torn into two pieces in a play today.

But when you are out in the open field and get rolled by a 320 pounder....and your legs are as thin as a deer. I just would be concerned about his career future.

Now I'd say the same thing for the equally exciting Johnny Manziel. At some point somebody almost as fast...and way more massive is going to collide or fall upon little Johnny.

I think Dunlap or whoever it was that wrenched Romo's neck should be fined. That was a clearly dirty play on a QB who was defenseless.

[Naes]

Note to RG3: There are many other ligaments in your knee than just the ACL. The way his knee was contacted and displaced afterwards looked like it could possibly affect his lateral cruciate ligamentI'm sure he knows that, but he also knows the ACL is the crucial ligament as far as missing extended time (yes, pun intended).

[SDCowboy85]

I think Dunlap or whoever it was that wrenched Romo's neck should be fined. That was a clearly dirty play on a QB who was defenseless.
We should just be thankful something was finally called.

[danielofthesaints]

I'm sure he knows that, but he also knows the ACL is the crucial ligament as far as missing extended time (yes, pun intended).

lol. it really depends on the severity of the injury to any ligament that has more effect on the recovery time than what ligament it actually was.

[IAmLegend]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter
RG3 spoke w/ Sal Paolantonio about knee injury after Redskins win: "Shouldn't be ACL. I know what that feels like. I'll be all right."

[Jenky]

I think Dunlap or whoever it was that wrenched Romo's neck should be fined. That was a clearly dirty play on a QB who was defenseless.

Really? I thought he should have been ejected.

[JBond]

Looks like the media will have to find somebody else to drool over....

How about giving andrew luck some love. He has been the comeback king so far this year.

Or the turnover king depending on your point of view.

[Mansta54]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter
RG3 spoke w/ Sal Paolantonio about knee injury after Redskins win: "Shouldn't be ACL. I know what that feels like. I'll be all right."

He can think whatever he wants but the MRI will tell the story, that looked wicked and he's clearly hurt.

[jobberone]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8729737/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-leaves-game-baltimore-ravens-due-knee-injury

Looks like a MCL based on the mechanism of injury. It's going to be sore tomorrow. But we'll wait on the MR and serial exams.

[SkinsFan82]

@Rich_Campbell : FWIW, Dr. James Andrews was on the Redskins sideline today, a team official confirmed. He's the team's senior orthopedic consultant.

[burmafrd]

just the first one - unless he is a lot more carefuly about running around he will get worked and injured and out of the game.

[tomsanders921]

Or the turnover king depending on your point of view.

Bottom line is they are 9-4. And they have trailed in 6 of those wins in the 4th quarter.

Same team that went 2-14 last year.......

[danielofthesaints]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8729737/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-leaves-game-baltimore-ravens-due-knee-injury

Looks like a MCL based on the mechanism of injury. It's going to be sore tomorrow. But we'll wait on the MR and serial exams.

The MCL was the point of impact, so there is no question it will be sore. Better get an ice bath going.

[RastaRocket]

just the first one - unless he is a lot more carefuly about running around he will get worked and injured and out of the game.

Yep he's going to get beat up early and often. It will be interesting to see what the Redskins do with a lot of high value draft picks gone the next couple of years.

[JonJon]

For the record, I had to watch this game today because I was at a pre Christmas church dinner and this was the only game on tv. RG3 injured his knee late in the 4th and went back in for about two plays. But he was limping badly and called for the doctors to take him out as he collapsed to the ground. It looked really bad as you can see in the gif. I wouldn't be surprised if he misses at least two games.

[TheCowboyCritic]

I do find it immoral to be discussing the Washington Redskins on a Dallas Cowboys forum. 'Tis most disgraceful. It is even more disgusting to see so many Cowboys fans displaying envy and jealousy over one the Redskins' prized possessions. You who are participating in this should be ashamed of yourself and return to discussing the Cowboys immediately!!

[Mansta54]

I do find it immoral to be discussing the Washington Redskins on a Dallas Cowboys forum. 'Tis most disgraceful. It is even more disgusting to see so many Cowboys fans displaying envy and jealousy over one the Redskins' prized possessions. You who are participating in this should be ashamed of yourself and return to discussing the Cowboys immediately!!

Nice!!! :bow:

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I hope it's not serious for RGIII.

So far, he's not only been good but smart - does not act like a rookie QB.

Many mobile quarterbacks stay in the pocket more as time goes by to extend their career...that's what I hope happens so he has a long career.

I'll pull for RGIII 14 of the 16 regular season games. :D

[popp1234]

I do find it immoral to be discussing the Washington Redskins on a Dallas Cowboys forum. 'Tis most disgraceful. It is even more disgusting to see so many Cowboys fans displaying envy and jealousy over one the Redskins' prized possessions. You who are participating in this should be ashamed of yourself and return to discussing the Cowboys immediately!!

Dude, you are my HERO!!!!!! :bow:

[juck]

I do find it immoral to be discussing the Washington Redskins on a Dallas Cowboys forum. 'Tis most disgraceful. It is even more disgusting to see so many Cowboys fans displaying envy and jealousy over one the Redskins' prized possessions. You who are participating in this should be ashamed of yourself and return to discussing the Cowboys immediately!!
I agree. I hope he is done for the season and plays timid next year.

[dadymat]

I do find it immoral to be discussing the Washington Redskins on a Dallas Cowboys forum. 'Tis most disgraceful. It is even more disgusting to see so many Cowboys fans displaying envy and jealousy over one the Redskins' prized possessions. You who are participating in this should be ashamed of yourself and return to discussing the Cowboys immediately!!

exactly..... :bow:

[jobberone]

The MCL was the point of impact, so there is no question it will be sore. Better get an ice bath going.

I thought the impact was on the outer thigh causing the leg to go too far outward (valgus). That's going to stress the MCL.

He's got an injured left knee so we'll see.

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

I do find it immoral to be discussing the Washington Redskins on a Dallas Cowboys forum. 'Tis most disgraceful. It is even more disgusting to see so many Cowboys fans displaying envy and jealousy over one the Redskins' prized possessions. You who are participating in this should be ashamed of yourself and return to discussing the Cowboys immediately!!

^ This is nothing.

In a few months on draft day, don't be suprized when this envious owner makes an announcement like this:

http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/jerry-jones-beat-giants-cowboys1.jpg

Dear Cowboy's nation:

***I*** Found RG4 !!!!

[Oh_Canada]

I think the love for RG3 is a byproduct of the fantasy football phenomenon.

[utrunner07]

I agree. I hope he is done for the season and plays timid next year.

Its one thing if the player is a jerk or jabber mouth or something. RGIII is a class act all around, and of course while I hope he does not succeed in leading Wash to the playoffs or whatever, certainly hoping he is knocked out by an injury is low class. Take that stuff to the eagles boards where it belongs.

[newlander]

I thought the impact was on the outer thigh causing the leg to go too far outward (valgus). That's going to stress the MCL.

He's got an injured left knee so we'll see.



.....very well could be his MCL but I was shocked it wasn't broken: my gosh, Ngata is 320 or so and he whipsawed that leg like a ball bat hitting a chicken bone: just brutal. Glad the kid's leg isn't broken. That said, it wasn't too bright putting him back in IMO...Cousins showed he's more than capable. God awful the way they won though....Ravens blew that game:bang2:

[NIBGoldenchild]

Bottom line is they are 9-4. And they have trailed in 6 of those wins in the 4th quarter.

Same team that went 2-14 last year.......

It is not the same time as last year. People keep saying this while completely ignoring that Wayne hardly played, they didnt have Hilton or they're TE....

[TheCowboyCritic]

Dude, you are my HERO!!!!!! :bow:

'Tis sad that we live in a day and age where people are called heroes for doing and acting the way they are supposed to. However, the Internet age has created some strange and quirky trends. Dallas Cowboys fans who pay anymore than the minimally required amount of attention to the scourge of the Redskins tribe are every bit as despicable as the gender-bending filth coming out of Hollywood!!

[Dallas]

I get disgusted watching CBZ spiral into an offshoot of ES.Com. You cannot come here anymore w/o constant RG3 jock riding threads splashed all over the place.

Add to the fact we have numerous Redskins fans making this place a primary home for themselves.

Sickening. I hate the Redskins and their fans. I wish they would just leave CBZ and never come back. This is a flippin Cowboys board. We will let you know if we want your presence here or not.

And...we don't.

[juck]

Its one thing if the player is a jerk or jabber mouth or something. RGIII is a class act all around, and of course while I hope he does not succeed in leading Wash to the playoffs or whatever, certainly hoping he is knocked out by an injury is low class. Take that stuff to the eagles boards where it belongs.
No i wont. Its not like he is dying. His knee is injured. He is a millionaire already. If him going out helps us Im all for it. Its a part of the game. I wish it would have snapped in half to be honest.

[TheCoolFan]

Redskins are still dangerous with Cousins.

[NIBGoldenchild]

I get disgusted watching CBZ spiral into an offshoot of ES.Com. You cannot come here anymore w/o constant RG3 jock riding threads splashed all over the place.

Add to the fact we have numerous Redskins fans making this place a primary home for themselves.

Sickening. I hate the Redskins and their fans. I wish they would just leave CBZ and never come back. This is a flippin Cowboys board. We will let you know if we want your presence here or not.

And...we don't.

Hi, pleased to meet you. :) :laugh2:

[Dallas]

Hi, pleased to meet you. :) :laugh2:

My point exactly. Thing is, its odd you are constantly here.

Its almost like a closet fetish of yours how much you just hang from the rafters around here.

[CowboyMcCoy]

"Last year's Heisman Trophy winner was helped off the field after being landed on by Ravens defensive tackle Haloti Ngata at the end of a 13-yard scramble. Griffin returned to the game for four plays, then dropped to the turf on his knees and left again."

Looks like a torn ligament but MRI will need to confirm.

:dissskin:

[CowboyMcCoy]

My point exactly. Thing is, its odd you are constantly here.

Its almost like a closet fetish of yours how much you just hang from the rafters around here.

Go back to Oklahoma. Nobody likes you either.

Sincerely,
CowboyMcCoy

[juck]

:dissskin:

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Dallas]

Go back to Oklahoma. Nobody likes you either.

Sincerely,
CowboyMcCoy

Honestly, I really wish the mods would do something about you trolling around the board calling me out all of the time.

You got banned a few times already over it.

Old dogs don't learn I know, but I was hoping you would grow up some.

Holding out hope.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Honestly, I really wish the mods would do something about you trolling around the board calling me out all of the time.

You got banned a few times already over it.

Old dogs don't learn I know, but I was hoping you would grow up some.

Holding out hope.

Nice revisionist history. I thought you were starting a new board with some of your other troll friends who like to troll around. Currently, I can only think of one other poster who trolls as much as you do. I'll give you a hint, name starts with a Z.

OU sucks. Peace out, buddy.

[CowboyMcCoy]

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

I get tired of all the RG3 jock sniffers. He hasn't proven to me he's all that he's cracked up to be. I'd still take Romo to build a team around than him, but that's just me.

[Dallas]

Nice revisionist history. I thought you were starting a new board with some of your other troll friends who like to troll around. Currently, I can only think of one other poster who trolls as much as you do. I'll give you a hint, name starts with a Z.

OU sucks. Peace out, buddy.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Fee free to add me to your ignore, since you constantly cannot stop trolling my posts.

Find a grown up!

[Stryker44]

The will to win. Who would have thought a 22 year old could bring that to this franchise, finally.

[ragintd]

No i wont. Its not like he is dying. His knee is injured. He is a millionaire already. If him going out helps us Im all for it. Its a part of the game. I wish it would have snapped in half to be honest.

What a classy post. And i just bet you were one of the loudest peeps screaming about how the eagles treated Irving when he was carted off the field. Must feel good to be you.

:thread:

[danielofthesaints]

I thought the impact was on the outer thigh causing the leg to go too far outward (valgus). That's going to stress the MCL.

He's got an injured left knee so we'll see.

Wait, his left knee is the one that is injured? I feel like its his right knee that took the beating and was oddly overextended. If it was his right knee, then the contact made toward the inside of this thigh caused the knee to displace convex to the left, which would extend the LCL. However, Im sure his MCL took a beating to due to the initial contact. It is the motion his knee made after the contact where I believe the injury took place.

[Dallas]

What a classy post. And i just bet you were one of the loudest peeps screaming about how the eagles treated Irving when he was carted off the field. Must feel good to be you.

:thread:

He is a Cowboy fan, Redskin fan. Thought I don't agree w/ juck, he has a right to his opinion. Please remember which board you are on.

I have seen far worse than this from Skins fans in the past.

[Mansta54]

I get disgusted watching CBZ spiral into an offshoot of ES.Com. You cannot come here anymore w/o constant RG3 jock riding threads splashed all over the place.

Add to the fact we have numerous Redskins fans making this place a primary home for themselves.

Sickening. I hate the Redskins and their fans. I wish they would just leave CBZ and never come back. This is a flippin Cowboys board. We will let you know if we want your presence here or not.

And...we don't.

Preach!!! Its really sickening.

[ragintd]

He is a Cowboy fan, Redskin fan. Thought I don't agree w/ juck, he has a right to his opinion. Please remember which board you are on.

I have seen far worse than this from Skins fans in the past.

Cheering an injury is low class trailer trash no matter which team you root for. I'm sure the vast majority of posters of any board sans Eagles and Ravens would agree.

And just like my pops said, opinions are like A-holes.. everyone has them and most smell bad. This poster's opinion smells bad.

And yes, i remember which board I'm on and no matter what board I'm on, this is still low class.

[juck]

Cheering an injury is low class trailer trash no matter which team you root for. I'm sure the vast majority of posters of any board sans Eagles and Ravens would agree.

And just like my pops said, opinions are like A-holes.. everyone has them and most smell bad. This poster's opinion smells bad.

And yes, i remember which board I'm on and no matter what board I'm on, this is still low class.
Good now go away.

[bula]

Sprained knee confirmed, no ligament tear. Still likely out 2 weeks minimum.

[Skinsradiosucks]

Funny years ago when I would offer intellectual retorts to the Jason Campbell jock riding the Skins fans were doing over at ES.com, I got banned for giving an OPINION that was backed with weekly facts as the Skins continued to lose with him as their starter.
Here, they can come on here and argue with our posters and all is well. SMH.
We always had more class than them in the end, I assume.

[Skinsradiosucks]

Cousins is a far better passer than RG3. It brings them back to a more traditional style offense, but it doesnt mean there is a "drop off". RG3 was missing some guys badly today on some of his throws.

[juck]

Sprained knee confirmed, no ligament tear. Still likely out 2 weeks minimum.
They play Cleveland and Philly next. lol

[ragintd]

Good now go away.

Nope.

[juck]

Nope.

U will be booted soon dont fret lol

[ragintd]

Funny years ago when I would offer intellectual retorts to the Jason Campbell jock riding the Skins fans were doing over at ES.com, I got banned for giving an OPINION that was backed with weekly facts as the Skins continued to lose with him as their starter.
Here, they can come on here and argue with our posters and all is well. SMH.
We always had more class than them in the end, I assume.

For the most part, both boards have tons of class. But just like anything, there are always a few people in a community you just want to hide. All good.

I'm sure there are a few members on ES we wish we could hide too.

[Ultra Warrior]

MRI came back Negative. Just said it on ESPN.

[juck]

MRI came back Negative. Just said it on ESPN.
thats unfortunate

[ragintd]

U will be booted soon dont fret lol

Why would I. Do I offend you? I keep it on the up and up. Just don't like seeing anyone wish injuries on ANY player no matter what the team.

It is what it is.

If i'm disrespectful please tell me and I will adjust. I actually like coming on here from time to time to banter with you guys.

[Risen Star]

Cousins is a far better passer than RG3. It brings them back to a more traditional style offense, but it doesnt mean there is a "drop off". RG3 was missing some guys badly today on some of his throws.

That's because he's overrated.

[lordinfamous]

no tear good for him

[pjtoadie]

They play Cleveland and Philly next. lol

Cleveland won't be a cake walk imo.

[Jenky]

I would never wish injury upon anyone. It's good to hear that there is no ACL/MCL tear and I would rather have Griffin playing against us, week 17.

[NIBGoldenchild]

I love the exaggerations, I only saw 2 bad throws today. The big issue were the receivers not getting open for most of the the second half until the last drive, and all the penalties. Regardless, I'll take a couple of bad throws from a rookie QB over the inexcusable interceptions Luck throws on a weekly basis.

[juck]

Word is he could even get his pants on in the locker room. He isnt playing next week. Go Cleveland!!!

[Dallas]

I love the exaggerations, I only saw 2 bad throws today. The big issue were the receivers not getting open for most of the the second half until the last drive, and all the penalties. Regardless, I'll take a couple of bad throws from a rookie QB over the inexcusable interceptions Luck throws on a weekly basis.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Luck will be 10x the QB RG3 will be before its all over with. Just you wait and see.

[NIBGoldenchild]

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Luck will be 10x the QB RG3 will be before its all over with. Just you wait and see.

We'll see. He's a very talented guy, with a bright future I have no doubt. Who'll be better? Who knows. I just find it hilarious how every throw Griffin makes is scrutinized, yet Luck makes terrible decisions weekly and it's overlooked.

[Rack Bauer]

I love the exaggerations, I only saw 2 bad throws today. The big issue were the receivers not getting open for most of the the second half until the last drive, and all the penalties. Regardless, I'll take a couple of bad throws from a rookie QB over the inexcusable interceptions Luck throws on a weekly basis.

Luck > Griffin. Take off the homer glasses.

[ragintd]

Luck > Griffin. Take off the homer glasses.

You first :)

Luck hasn't been able to hold RG3 jock this year. Statistics show that.

[SkinsFan82]

Luck > Griffin. Take off the homer glasses.

It all depends on how you want to judge them, my only issue with Luck at this point is he's a turnover machine but so was Peyton at this point in his career.

They're asked to do very different things so it's hard to compare them today but I just hope they're both good for a long time so it's an ongoing debate. :)

[Rack Bauer]

You first :)

Luck hasn't been able to hold RG3 jock this year. Statistics show that.

I'm not a Colts fan. And I actually live right next door to RG3's home town. I wish nothing but the best for him.


But Luck is better. c'mon...

[sacase]

You first :)

Luck hasn't been able to hold RG3 jock this year. Statistics show that.

NO Luck has just thrown for about 1000 more yards that RGIII has. :rolleyes:

[SkinsFan82]

NO Luck has just thrown for about 1000 more yards that RGIII has. :rolleyes:

With a 10% lower completion rate and 14 more interceptions...

I won't even mention rushing yards.

[Rack Bauer]

With a 10% lower completion rate and 14 more interceptions...

I won't even mention rushing yards.

Obviously ones completion rate is going to be high when 35% of your pass attempts are screen passes.

[SkinsFan82]

Obviously ones completion rate is going to be high when 35% of your pass attempts are screen passes.

Well, first off it's a bit of a misconception he just dumps it off on screens every third pass but even ignoring that straw man, he runs the plays the OC calls.

Maybe if Luck threw a few more screen passes his stats wouldn't be so terrible outside of sheer yardage.

I'm not really ripping Luck because he doesn't have the same running game that RG3 does but this opinion some people have because Luck throws it 40+ times a game and gets 300+ that he's somehow far superior is a bit ridiculous. If you don't focus on sheer yardage and look at efficiency and turnovers then he looks really mediocre, but he's a rookie so it's to be expected.

[Rack Bauer]

Well, first off it's a bit of a misconception he just dumps it off on screens every third pass but even ignoring that straw man, he runs the plays the OC calls.

Maybe if Luck threw a few more screen passes his stats wouldn't be so terrible outside of sheer yardage.

I'm not really ripping Luck because he doesn't have the same running game that RG3 does but this opinion some people have because Luck throws it 40+ times a game and gets 300+ that he's somehow far superior is a bit ridiculous. If you don't focus on sheer yardage and look at efficiency and turnovers then he looks really mediocre, but he's a rookie so it's to be expected.

Ummm no, it's a fact. At least it was a fact 3 weeks ago or so.

[Risen Star]

I'm not a Colts fan. And I actually live right next door to RG3's home town. I wish nothing but the best for him.


But Luck is better. c'mon...

He's head and shoulders better. He's I'll give you Griffin and a 1st round pick for him better.

That has to just annoy the injun fans. Their hyped phenom won't ever be the best QB to come out of that draft. The gap will only get wider from here.

[Risen Star]

From Kiper's most recent chat.....


Rich (New Jersey)
Hi Mel, Early NFL Rookie of the Year Prediction & other possible awards - RGIII who is putting up some interesting passing numbers or Andrew Luck who has the Colts at 8-4 and heading for the playoffs?

Mel Kiper (1:22 PM)
What a tough call. So hard to determine. Is it stats or winning? I did a study on how many times QBs are hit. Luck has been hit 78 times in 12 games. Brady has been hit 45 times. Rodgers behind a struggling Packers line 65 times. A lot of Luck's completions have come with guys draped all over him. When you are getting hit all the time you are going to be throwing the ball away which will hurt your accuracy, cause INTs, etc. Being under durress will do that. He's also coming from behind a lot, but leading them to wins. Without Luck, they would have won 1 or 2 games this year. They could win double-digit games so he has brought tremendous value. RGIII is on a team that beat the Giants twice last year. Two years ago beat the Super Bowl champion Packers

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/46310/football-guru-mel-kiper

[BAZ]

Wow Kiper sounds dumb.

[Risen Star]

Wow Kiper sounds dumb.

Yes. You need to teach him the game.

[Bluestang]

So how many games has RG3 finished on the bench because he got hurt?

Luck?

Does the Colts have more wins than the Redskins?


Shanahan may want to get rid of that option stuff and integrate more of his traditional offense if he wants RG3 to be around for a while.

[KB1122]

He's head and shoulders better. He's I'll give you Griffin and a 1st round pick for him better.

That has to just annoy the injun fans. Their hyped phenom won't ever be the best QB to come out of that draft. The gap will only get wider from here.

It's funny how you didn't seem to be around to offer this opinion on Thanksgiving day.

[KB1122]

Obviously ones completion rate is going to be high when 35% of your pass attempts are screen passes.

RG3 leads the league in yards per attempt. And passer rating, for that matter.

[BAZ]

Yes. You need to teach him the game.

Gladly, that's an awsome point about the Skins beating the Gmen twice. It doesnt take much to impress you I see.

[rwalters31]

He's head and shoulders better. He's I'll give you Griffin and a 1st round pick for him better.

That has to just annoy the injun fans. Their hyped phenom won't ever be the best QB to come out of that draft. The gap will only get wider from here.

Luck is a NFL QB with the mind of a Pro Bowler. When you take a 2-14 team and make them a 9-4 at this point this year. This is turn around based on a very good QB. I read that Luck is the reason that the Colts are not 2-11 right now. Luck may have thrown more picks but he has made more things happen in his tenure. Luck reminds me a lot of Peyton .

[NIBGoldenchild]

Obviously ones completion rate is going to be high when 35% of your pass attempts are screen passes.

You don't watch the games. 35% of the plays are not screen passes.

[StylisticS]

Cleveland won't be a cake walk imo.

Neither will an improving Nick Foles and Philadelphia.

[Risen Star]

So how many games has RG3 finished on the bench because he got hurt?

Luck?

Does the Colts have more wins than the Redskins?


Shanahan may want to get rid of that option stuff and integrate more of his traditional offense if he wants RG3 to be around for a while.

He'll have to. The offense he runs now is not sustainable. It's a gimmick offense designed to spoon feed a QB who can not be a pro style QB right now.

Whereas the superior Luck walked into the league as if he was already a veteran.

[SkinsHokieFan]

He'll have to. The offense he runs now is not sustainable. It's a gimmick offense designed to spoon feed a QB who can not be a pro style QB right now.

Whereas the superior Luck walked into the league as if he was already a veteran.

Luck is unfortuantley looking like Rex Grossman and making terrible decisions with the ball (that 1st INT yesterday was inexcusable and would be part of the Rex Grossman's greatest hits album). It helps that he has played a far easier schedule. I could only imagine the criticisms if RG3 had thrown 19 INT's by this point and led the NFL in that category. I am actually stunned to be quite honest, Luck's decision making was his best attribute coming out, but then again he played behind a steel wall of an o-line at Stanford and was rarely sniffed by d-lineman in college. Games where he was (Oregon last year) he made awful decisions.

The only difference from the Redskins offense of last year and this year is the pistol formation, which more teams are using, including the Lions last night.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Neither will an improving Nick Foles and Philadelphia.

The only W I count in our last 3 is vs Dallas :)

Philly won't be a cakewalk in Philly and the Browns are playing very good football right now.

[NIBGoldenchild]

He'll have to. The offense he runs now is not sustainable. It's a gimmick offense designed to spoon feed a QB who can not be a pro style QB right now.

Whereas the superior Luck walked into the league as if he was already a veteran.

This nonsense has been debunked for weeks now and you keep beating the same drum. :laugh2:

That nonsense you just wrote about Luck is also hilarious. Luck isn't a superior QB because you say so, or because you write it as an adjective to describe him. :lmao2: The only thing pro-Luck supporters can say about him is he runs "a pro-style offense", yet have no knowledge of what the Pistol offense does or what a pro-style offense looks like, nor do you have any knowledge of how much command Luck has over his offense. The other point is his record, yet the Colts haven't beaten a team with a winning record since Week 5, only two teams all season. Against terrible teams, he's still thrown horrible passes, multiple INTs, and fallen behind against teams that would get blown out by an offense with a consistent quarterback. But sure, let's ignore they have the easiest schedule in the league to play up the fact that you're scared of Griffin, who has won 3 of the last 4 games of their winning streak against teams with a winning record.

Keep beating that drum, buddy. :lmao:

[NIBGoldenchild]

The only difference from the Redskins offense of last year and this year is the pistol formation, which more teams are using, including the Lions last night.

Exactly. Multiple analyst, and Trent Dilfer more recently, who've actually taken the time to study the Pistol and the redskins use of it, say it should be seen more instead of less. The Panthers and Niners both scored long distance running touchdowns using yesterday. Dilfer actually stated Kyle Shanahan didn't create a whole new offense in the offseason, but instead, converted the same offense he's been using to a Pistol formation and added option/read plays.

This nonsense that Griffin can't throw the ball, you can tell who watches the games and who doesn't. Griffin threw 2 crucial intermediate passes ON ONE LEG in that last drive, before coming out. Griffin goes through three option progressions on passing plays regularly but biased people who don't watch the games can't see 3 WRs lined up with one doing intermediate crossing route, another on a comeback, and the last flaring out to catch a pass in the flat. If you look up his stats and see he has 22% of his passes behind/on the line, you're not understanding that he checked down to that option instead of it being his first read. They've only called a screen once or twice a game all season.

[SkinsHokieFan]

This nonsense has been debunked for weeks now and you keep beating the same drum. :laugh2:



Keep beating that drum, buddy. :lmao:

Some of these INT's he has thrown are atrocious.

Again right now Luck is looking more like RG3, Rex Grossman the 3rd then Peyton

http://httr24-7.com/?p=3921

[Sonny#9]

There are posters here actually rooting for and celebrating his injury yesterday. If he was out for the year, I firmly believe some people here would cheer it (Not unlike Philly fans with Michael Irvin).

People can downplay him all they want, but the RGIII fear is palpable. No one here will admit it, b/c that would violate Message Board Machismo Etiquette, but it's easy to spot:

"He's Vick/Cam 2.0."
"He runs a gimmicky college offense"
"Once the league gets some tape on him..."
"He's a career ending injury waiting to happen" (This one is my personal favorite)

[Rack Bauer]

You don't watch the games. 35% of the plays are not screen passes.

Not sure what the numbers are now, but last I saw he was throwing over TWICE the amount of passes behind the LOS that the next closest passer was doing.


Teams are going to take that away eventually. And this running stuff? That'll stop too once RG3 tears his knees up.

Then he'll have to play QB like every other QB in the league.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Some of these INT's he has thrown are atrocious.

Again right now Luck is looking more like RG3, Rex Grossman the 3rd then Peyton

http://httr24-7.com/?p=3921

You can actually make the case that Russell Wilson has outplayed Luck based on the fact that Wilson has outperformed Luck when they've faced the same teams.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Not sure what the numbers are now, but last I saw he was throwing over TWICE the amount of passes behind the LOS that the next closest passer was doing.


Teams are going to take that away eventually. And this running stuff? That'll stop too once RG3 tears his knees up.

Then he'll have to play QB like every other QB in the league.

It was not over twice, it was 6% more than the second most, who I believe was either Brady or Rodgers. Regardless, THESE AREN'T SCREEN PASSES. Those are passes to his third option. The majority of his passes are to WRs running comebacks, outs, and crossing routes around the 12-15 yard range. He leads the league in YPA and QB rating, I give defensive coordinators enough credit that they should've been able to form a good plan against simply the option and screen passes by now. I believe he may be in the top five QBs for deep completions, but I'll double check that to make sure.

[RastaRocket]

Some of these INT's he has thrown are atrocious.

Again right now Luck is looking more like RG3, Rex Grossman the 3rd then Peyton

http://httr24-7.com/?p=3921

Meh, he's really not playing that bad. I think they should have a much worse record but they are in an easy division. Even though he makes though, you can see the potential when Luck plays. He's always a threat to move the ball downfield and that's what you really want to see in his rookie year. He's made some incredible throws as well. Remember, he is taking over a 2-14 team. He's also having a better rookie season than Peyton.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You can actually make the case that Russell Wilson has outplayed Luck based on the fact that Wilson has outperformed Luck when they've faced the same teams.

Its not a case, its very obvious Wilson has outperformed Luck this season, its not even question.

There was a great comparision made about Luck. He is Sam Bradford. Comes in his rookie year, takes over a horrible team, has mediocre to terrible performances but thanks to a very weak schedule they both won games as rookies. Bradford was also considered a once in a decade prospect.

When people are really objective about it Luck's INT's shouldn't be a surprise. He played behind the equivalent of the 1980s Hogs at Stanford, was rarely touched and due to that superior running game Stanford had he was hitting WIDE open tight ends 30 yards downfield with no defenders near them.

Now that he is facing pressure and forced to read a D and not able to hit wide open TE's 30 yards down field, he is making horrible decisions and forcing the ball into terrible spots. Similar to Rex Grossman.

RG3 has just won 4 straight, 3 straight teams with winning records.

The last time Luck faced a team with a winning record the Colts were destroyed and he threw 2 pick six's

[RastaRocket]

Its not a case, its very obvious Wilson has outperformed Luck this season, its not even question.


That team in Seattle is pretty solid. Awesome defense and rushing attack.

Would you rather have Wilson or Luck on your team? That is the question.

[Risen Star]

There are posters here actually rooting for and celebrating his injury yesterday. If he was out for the year, I firmly believe some people here would cheer it (Not unlike Philly fans with Michael Irvin).

Let's get real here, Sonny. I'm a Cowboys fan. Nothing would please me more than to see Griffin out of the league tomorrow. I'd laugh at your suffering. If this knee issue leads to something chronic, I'll manage to get over it.

If you're being honest, you would also love to see Romo or Ware or Witten or Dez out. Of course you won't admit that right now and play the outstanding human being angle, but no fanatical sports fan isn't happy when a rival suffers a huge blow. It's nonsense to say otherwise. You say the PC thing on here. You fist pump in private.

The difference between that and Michael Irvin is I wouldn't be celebrating while someone's laying prone on the field with a potential life altering injury. I didn't care if Eagles fans were happy Irvin was out. They should be happy. But show a little class when the guy is laid out on the field.

If you're expecting me to like and/or respect your hyped phenom, you have a long wait coming.

People can downplay him all they want, but the RGIII fear is palpable. No one here will admit it, b/c that would violate Message Board Machismo Etiquette, but it's easy to spot:

"He's Vick/Cam 2.0."
"He runs a gimmicky college offense"
"Once the league gets some tape on him..."
"He's a career ending injury waiting to happen" (This one is my personal favorite)Why don't I have Eli Manning fear? He's a rival and an actual winner. Why am I not on here discrediting Manning every chance I get?

Maybe I just actually believe Griffin is an overrated athlete playing QB. Maybe I don't believe any QB like him has ever won anything in the NFL. Maybe this stance is consistent with my take on him long before the Redskins made the trade up to get him. I don't believe it because he's a Redskin. I believe it because it is what he is. His college style gimmick offense only reinforces the fact he's not an NFL QB right now. His own head coach knows he's not. He's spoon feeding him. Something the Colts don't have to do with the superior Andrew Luck.

And talking about what the Panthers are doing with Newton or the 49ers are doing with Kaepernick doesn't prove anything. They also aren't pro style QBs yet. Nobody would call either an effective pocket passer. I wouldn't want either as my QB.

See, with most fans you'd be right that their opinion is entirely based on the fact Griffin is a Redskin. With me you're wrong. Flip the teams and I'd be telling Colts fans their QB will never be as good as the Redskins new QB. I don't care about rooting interests when it comes to evaluating talent. I have no problem giving credit to a rival.

You'll just have to accept the fact there are people out there who don't buy into this notion that Griffin is some superstar of the future. Legitimately.

Finally, if Griffin was a Cowboy and I did believe in him I wouldn't be on some Redskins forum trying to convince their fans of anything. I wouldn't care. I'd let his play do the talking over the years. The fact that so many of you are here only indicates to me that you have no conviction that he's in fact the real deal. You're tying to convince yourself as much as anybody else.

[Risen Star]

That team in Seattle is pretty solid. Awesome defense and rushing attack.

Would you rather have Wilson or Luck on your team? That is the question.

That was so ridiculous it didn't even warrant a response.

[SkinsHokieFan]

That team in Seattle is pretty solid. Awesome defense and rushing attack.

Would you rather have Wilson or Luck on your team? That is the question.

Draft time it wasn't even a question- I want Luck.

But damn has Russell Wilson been impressive this season. If he was 6'2 he is a top 3 pick in April.

Right now I am extremely pleased with RG3, couldn't be happier. He has to learn to slide much better and not expose his legs the way he did yesterday or else his career will be done in 2 seasons. If he does that he'll be just fine.

What was most impressive with RG3 yesterday was on one leg in obvious pass situations on that last drive he made 2 very clutch throws in a row, 1 for 15 yards the other for 22 before collapsing. The Ravens knew all he could do is pass and he still made those plays

[Risen Star]

All three QBs have been excellent their rookie year. It would be insane to say otherwise. It's a changing NFL.

I'll say this for Griffin - If he can develop in the pocket as Shanahan takes the training wheels off, he'll be a top QB in the league. But that's a very big if. Vick had the same situation. Imagine Vick with the ability to sit back in the pocket and pick apart defenses. It would be unfair. Newton's another. Great initial success as a rookie. Didn't develop yet as a pro passer and his production has dipped.

Of the three QBs, the one who is most likely to build on the success is Andrew Luck. Clearly. The guy is running a pro style offense with a ton of rookies on the field. Barring injury, he's on the fast track to being one of the elite QBs in the league and there isn't one GM in football that wouldn't choose him of the three.

[NIBGoldenchild]

What evidence do we have that Griffin can't run a more traditional, hands under center, dropping back, going through professions offense? None. Not one shred of evidence. Against the Giants, he had two passes from under center and they were both completions. Anything else is simply speculation, or wishful thinking.

[RastaRocket]

What evidence do we have that Griffin can't run a more traditional, hands under center, dropping back, going through professions offense? None. Not one shred of evidence. Against the Giants, he had two passes from under center and they were both completions. Anything else is simply speculation, or wishful thinking.

What evidence do you have that he can? Two whole passes?

I wont believe it till I see it.

[tomson75]

What evidence do we have that Griffin can't run a more traditional, hands under center, dropping back, going through professions offense? None. Not one shred of evidence. Against the Giants, he had two passes from under center and they were both completions. Anything else is simply speculation, or wishful thinking.

What evidence do we have that he can run a pro-style offense?

[SkinsHokieFan]

What evidence do you have that he can? Two whole passes?

I wont believe it till I see it.

What evidence do we have that he can run a pro-style offense?

Because its what the Redskins run, just with a pistol formation added in there...

Don't take my word for it, take it from a Superbowl winning QB (Dilfer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Feja9zmoBdM

[Sonny#9]

Let's get real here, Sonny. I'm a Cowboys fan. Nothing would please me more than to see Griffin out of the league tomorrow. I'd laugh at your suffering. If this knee issue leads to something chronic, I'll manage to get over it.

If you're being honest, you would also love to see Romo or Ware or Witten or Dez out. Of course you won't admit that right now and play the outstanding human being angle, but no fanatical sports fan isn't happy when a rival suffers a huge blow. It's nonsense to say otherwise. You say the PC thing on here. You fist pump in private.

See, this is the difference between you and me. I don't wish injury on any player. I have a lot of respect for Witten and Ware -- they're great players - any fan of the NFL can see that. I wanted Dez to flame out - and I thought he was going to, given his personality. However, he has really put together a great year. I wish failure on the Cowboys, not injury. There is a huge difference.

The difference between that and Michael Irvin is I wouldn't be celebrating while someone's laying prone on the field with a potential life altering injury. I didn't care if Eagles fans were happy Irvin was out. They should be happy. But show a little class when the guy is laid out on the field.

Except you're celebrating Griffin's injury.

If you're expecting me to like and/or respect your hyped phenom, you have a long wait coming.

I don't expect anything from you on here.

I believe it because it is what he is. His college style gimmick offense only reinforces the fact he's not an NFL QB right now. His own head coach knows he's not. He's spoon feeding him. Something the Colts don't have to do with the superior Andrew Luck.

Why because he doesn't throw the ball 50 times a game? This statement shows you know nothing about what Kyle Shanahan has installed in Washington. Nothing.

See, with most fans you'd be right that their opinion is entirely based on the fact Griffin is a Redskin. With me you're wrong. Flip the teams and I'd be telling Colts fans their QB will never be as good as the Redskins new QB. I don't care about rooting interests when it comes to evaluating talent. I have no problem giving credit to a rival.

I am sure of it...:rolleyes:

You'll just have to accept the fact there are people out there who don't buy into this notion that Griffin is some superstar of the future. Legitimately.

And I am fine with that, so long as the come with something that hasn't already been debunked (Vick 2.0, gimmick college offense). Come with a good reason, and not a home-board troll gimmick, and I'll listen. Otherwise you're tr1.

I wouldn't be on some Redskins forum trying to convince their fans of anything. I wouldn't care.

Because you're not capable of it. I am just here b/c I love to debate. I have no intention of convincing anyone of anything. Plus, I like talking to other fans who know football, especially rival fans. There are many fans on here I respect their opinion. It helps me take a different view.

Maybe you're right. Maybe Griffin is a one-year wonder. However, there is nothing you've stated that points to it. Everything you've stated has been disproven already.

[BoysFan4ever]

I hope he's ok. That looked like a very serious injury on the replay.

[Funxva]

I think the fact that he is in about as excellent shape as it is possible for a Human Being to be in will help.

I was telling my co-worker who is a Skins fan that he is going to get crushed one of these days.

[NIBGoldenchild]

What evidence do we have that he can run a pro-style offense?

I am not the one speculating that he can't. I believe the Pistol has been employed because they would like to take advantage of his mobility, which as worked, and because our offensive line actually pretty bad. Every dropback Griffin had this season he hasn't had a clean pocket, and has thrown passes under duress or had to scramble.

Best case scenario, the offense won't need to use the pistol formation/exposing RG3 so much in the future. As the offensive line improves, hopefully adding a new RT and a better RG this offseason, the Pistol can be used less, making the offense that more dangerous.

[SkinsFan28]

They are saying it's a class 1 sprain. He may not miss any time. I think, time will tell, that every one of these hits is a learning curve to him learning to slide or get out of bounds. Of course he has to survive to that point. I would not be surprised to see him take that very seriously in the off-season and next year we see a different man, as he understands the distance and space needed to get down.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I am not the one speculating that he can't. I believe the Pistol has been employed because they would like to take advantage of his mobility, which as worked, and because our offensive line actually pretty bad. Every dropback Griffin had this season he hasn't had a clean pocket, and has thrown passes under duress or had to scramble.

Best case scenario, the offense won't need to use the pistol formation/exposing RG3 so much in the future. As the offensive line improves, hopefully adding a new RT and a better RG this offseason, the Pistol can be used less, making the offense that more dangerous.

The pistol doesn't "expose" RG3 to anymore hits and certainly doesn't limit the offense.

IMO it expands what can be done since you have the downhill impact of the running back lined up behind the QB but also the advantage of the QB out from under center and able to scan the field.

In 5 years it'll be part of a "conventional NFL offense" In the 1970s and '80s the shotgun was "gimmicky" Hell Gibbs refused to use it back in 2004 until Musgrave came along in 2005.

[BoysFan4ever]

Hasn't he had knee surgery before?

[Sonny#9]

Hasn't he had knee surgery before?

Yes, in college. Tore an ACL in the same knee.

[BoysFan4ever]

Yes, in college. Tore an ACL in the same knee.

Thanks. Well I sure don't like the Skins but I sure don't wish him any injury. That's just wrong any way you look at it.

[TheCoolFan]

Looks like he'll be fine. Redskins unstoppable :(

[rdskn4eva]

Per Shanahan, RG3 LCL grade 1 sprain. Not ruled out for Sunday. We'll see as the week progresses.

[RastaRocket]

Yes, in college. Tore an ACL in the same knee.


Never knew that.

[RastaRocket]

Per Shanahan, RG3 LCL grade 1 sprain. Not ruled out for Sunday. We'll see as the week progresses.

Good, I want the Cowboys to beat them with RGIII starting.

[StylisticS]

Looks like he'll be fine. Redskins unstoppable :(

:rolleyes: I hope this is sarcasm.

[danielofthesaints]

Wait, his left knee is the one that is injured? I feel like its his right knee that took the beating and was oddly overextended. If it was his right knee, then the contact made toward the inside of this thigh caused the knee to displace convex to the left, which would extend the LCL. However, Im sure his MCL took a beating to due to the initial contact. It is the motion his knee made after the contact where I believe the injury took place.

called it :p:

[SkinsFan28]

Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Robert Griffin has thrown the same number of touchdowns as Andrew Luck. He's been intercepted 14 fewer times. #Redskins #Colts #NFL
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Just thought I'd throw it out there. :)

[NIBGoldenchild]

Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Robert Griffin has thrown the same number of touchdowns as Andrew Luck. He's been intercepted 14 fewer times. #Redskins #Colts #NFL
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Just thought I'd throw it out there. :)

Don't bother, it falls on deaf ears.....or blind eyes, however you want to say it, around here. Apparently, Luck is the only quarterback in the league that can throw INTs and not be looked upon poorly for it. I mean, some of these same cowboys posters were reaming Romo for turnovers, but apparently Luck throwing more of them is cool.

[Bluestang]

Here's the PFF data on RG3's passes by direction and location on the field.

They have them cataloged by ATT - CMP - YDS - TD - INT - QB Rating

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Here's Luck's:

http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Bluestang2006/Luck.png (http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h349/Bluestang2006/Luck.png)


It's not always just about TDs and INTs, you have to look at big picture stuff and it sure looks like Shanahan is limiting alot of downfield throws for RG3. It's good coaching but when the running game is rendered ineffective how will RG3 adjust?

The intermediate middle numbers suggest that the PA is quite effective and LBs are getting fooled. It happened in the Dallas game more than I liked and even DWare was fooled on more than one occasion with the option.

Cam Newton was pretty successful with the option in his rookie year but this year - not soo much...why?

When you run an option play at the NFL you are sacrificing your ball carrier's best attributes - his speed and vision - to hit the holes. That delay is not only allowing the LBers more time to read the play but your putting more stress on your lineman to hold their blocks. The NFL will always focus around players with exceptional speed, that's why coaches will have certain "pet cats" they cling to in order to make them a productive football player. It doesn't always pan out, but that's always been line 1 in the NFL. In college players can get by on pure athleticism, but in the NFL that's never been the case. The good ones are always good students of the game and have understood the mental part of the game.

Yesterday is a good example of why you don't want your QB running around like a ball carrier. The good ones, the elite ones...like Brady, Mannings, and Brees understand that if the play isn't there they need to throw the ball away. RG3 has already been flirting with injury in his rookie season and if he continues to get beat up like this he's not going to last in this league. That's where Shanahan needs to re-evaluate if the option packages in his playbook are really worth the "prize in the sky" if that's going to be the trade off. It's never been about if the option would be successful in the NFL because it obviously has been but the trade off has always been exposing your star player, and in this case your future face of the franchise, to harder hitting men that could cause a season or possibly career ending injury. That's why it's been coached at the NFL level for QBs to have a mental clock and to throw or get rid of the football once they hit their final step in their drop. Coaches don't want to see their franchise QB take one on the chin because he held onto the football waiting for a receiver to get open. RG3 and Shanahan are playing with fire if they continue the road they are on.

[KB1122]

Cam Newton has been quite good lately. If he keeps going, he'll crack 90 qbr next week. The concept of his sophomore slump is disappearing, at least somewhat.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Your charts clearly show Luck is forcing the ball in a Rex Grossman like fashion. Tom Brady does not force the ball down field, he hits wide open WRs. Luck's INT's have been terrible and downright Grossmanish in the "**** it lets go deep" attitude of the throws. Luck has nearly the amount of pick 6's (3) that RG3 has INTs. Its been atrocious decision making on his part, which makes sense. Luck had one of the cleanest pockets ever while playing at Stanford, whenever he went deep to a TE in college that TE was wide open by 20 yards because of how dominant the Stanford run game was making the play action pass that much more effective.

Now that he has no run game and a mediocre o-line, his decision making has been terrible and he is forcing the ball into terrible spots, just like Rex Grossman did.



Cam Newton was pretty successful with the option in his rookie year but this year - not soo much...why?

This has been incredibly overblown now. Newton struggled for a few weeks and was mostly, and rightly, criticized for his attitude. However the last few games he has been spectacular.



Yesterday is a good example of why you don't want your QB running around like a ball carrier. The good ones, the elite ones...like Brady, Mannings, and Brees understand that if the play isn't there they need to throw the ball away. RG3 has already been flirting with injury in his rookie season and if he continues to get beat up like this he's not going to last in this league. That's where Shanahan needs to re-evaluate if the option packages in his playbook are really worth the "prize in the sky" if that's going to be the trade off. It's never been about if the option would be successful in the NFL because it obviously has been but the trade off has always been exposing your star player, and in this case your future face of the franchise, to harder hitting men that could cause a season or possibly career ending injury. That's why it's been coached at the NFL level for QBs to have a mental clock and to throw or get rid of the football once they hit their final step in their drop. Coaches don't want to see their franchise QB take one on the chin because he held onto the football waiting for a receiver to get open. RG3 and Shanahan are playing with fire if they continue the road they are on.

This is all nice except Brady lost a year of his career with a hit in his pocket, and Peyton Manning has also lost a full year of playing despite being a pocket QB.

RG3 has missed 1 full quarter of play in 13 games this season, both on hits that came on called pass plays. The pistol read option had nothing to do with either injury, the first injury came on the sideline vs Atlanta, and the 2nd injury on a scramble when he should have ran out of bounds as opposed to cutting back towards the middle to gain 3 yards.

The read option has not had any bearing on his 2 injuries.

Being in the pocket DID have bearing on both Brady's knee injury and Manning's neck injury. How often did you ever see Peyton Manning move outside of the tackle box in his career? Yet he still missed a full season last year and is now on a new team

[Rack Bauer]

This is all nice except Brady lost a year of his career with a hit in his pocket, and Peyton Manning has also lost a full year of playing despite being a pocket QB.

RG3 has missed 1 full quarter of play in 13 games this season, both on hits that came on called pass plays. The pistol read option had nothing to do with either injury, the first injury came on the sideline vs Atlanta, and the 2nd injury on a scramble when he should have ran out of bounds as opposed to cutting back towards the middle to gain 3 yards.

The read option has not had any bearing on his 2 injuries.

Being in the pocket DID have bearing on both Brady's knee injury and Manning's neck injury. How often did you ever see Peyton Manning move outside of the tackle box in his career? Yet he still missed a full season last year and is now on a new team

Ah so it's more dangerous for a QB to stay in the pocket than it is to run downfield.

Got it.


:lmao2:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ah so it's more dangerous for a QB to stay in the pocket than it is to run downfield.

Got it.


:lmao2:

Its dangerous for a QB to be on the field. One good hit on Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning cost each of them a season of their career, all of which were in the pocket. Palmer was never the same after that.

Joe Theisman's career was done on a play in the pocket.

Aikman's career was cut short (he only played 11 seasons) because of the concussions he sustained while playing as a pocket QB

How often was Matt Stafford injured in his first 2 seasons? Pocket passer. Romo's season ending injury in 2010. In the pocket

[Bluestang]

Your charts clearly show Luck is forcing the ball in a Rex Grossman like fashion. Tom Brady does not force the ball down field, he hits wide open WRs. Luck's INT's have been terrible and downright Grossmanish in the "**** it lets go deep" attitude of the throws. Luck has nearly the amount of pick 6's (3) that RG3 has INTs. Its been atrocious decision making on his part, which makes sense. Luck had one of the cleanest pockets ever while playing at Stanford, whenever he went deep to a TE in college that TE was wide open by 20 yards because of how dominant the Stanford run game was making the play action pass that much more effective.

Now that he has no run game and a mediocre o-line, his decision making has been terrible and he is forcing the ball into terrible spots, just like Rex Grossman did.



This has been incredibly overblown now. Newton struggled for a few weeks and was mostly, and rightly, criticized for his attitude. However the last few games he has been spectacular.



This is all nice except Brady lost a year of his career with a hit in his pocket, and Peyton Manning has also lost a full year of playing despite being a pocket QB.

RG3 has missed 1 full quarter of play in 13 games this season, both on hits that came on called pass plays. The pistol read option had nothing to do with either injury, the first injury came on the sideline vs Atlanta, and the 2nd injury on a scramble when he should have ran out of bounds as opposed to cutting back towards the middle to gain 3 yards.

The read option has not had any bearing on his 2 injuries.

Being in the pocket DID have bearing on both Brady's knee injury and Manning's neck injury. How often did you ever see Peyton Manning move outside of the tackle box in his career? Yet he still missed a full season last year and is now on a new team


All I'm just pointing out here is that Shanahan may want to coach his young franchise QB that he needs to avoid those hits when he's trying to make a play. Like you said, running out of bounds rather than trying to get a few more yards...or throwing the ball away on a 3rd and goal so you can kick the field goal to live another series.

[Bluestang]

Its dangerous for a QB to be on the field. One good hit on Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning cost each of them a season of their career, all of which were in the pocket. Palmer was never the same after that.

Joe Theisman's career was done on a play in the pocket.

Aikman's career was cut short (he only played 11 seasons) because of the concussions he sustained while playing as a pocket QB

How often was Matt Stafford injured in his first 2 seasons? Pocket passer. Romo's season ending injury in 2010. In the pocket

Injuries will happen, however, when the QB takes off to run the helmet-to-helmet rules no longer apply.

RG3 suffered that concussion the ATL game when he tried to force a play that wasn't there on a 3rd and goal. Rather than throw the ball away he tried to beat the defense on the edge and RG3 got clobbered.

Those are the hits you don't want him taking and it could have been avoided pretty easily. The same could have been said about the latest injury. But hey if that's what you like to see on Sundays then by all means...

[Dumbsheet]

Forget Luck or Romo, RGIII isn't even in the same category as Micahel Vick. He's more like Vince Young, except he's not gay.

Like so many other gimmick offenses that coaches had to resort to because they had qbs who don't have the proper brains to run a real NFL offense, it will get figured out and the novelty will wear off. Either Akili Smith 2.0 will have learn to play quaterback like everyone else, or the only future endorsement deals he'll be getting will be for Auntie Anne's pretzels, because that's what his legs will look like.

Only skynyrd fans would even put AS 2.0 in the same discussion as Andrew Luck. Luck is scary in that he is progressing exactly as Peyton did his rookie year, but with a much better record. As for OROY, it's no contest. AS 2.0 isn't even a candidate for OROY on his own team. That running back they've got, think his name is Al Morrison, he's been more impressive.

Bottom line, in a few years, the 2012 darft will be remembered for great qbs like Luck and to a lesser extent Wilson, Tannehill and even Foles (maybe), but not for anyone wearing burgundy and yellow. Hell I would even take Kirt Cousins over AS 2.0 because he's a more pure quarterback in the end.

Time will tell, and it usually tells I'm right. You'll see.


go cowboys

[SkinsFan82]

Forget Luck or Romo, RGIII isn't even in the same category as Micahel Vick. He's more like Vince Young, except he's not gay.

Like so many other gimmick offenses that coaches had to resort to because they had qbs who don't have the proper brains to run a real NFL offense, it will get figured out and the novelty will wear off. Either Akili Smith 2.0 will have learn to play quaterback like everyone else, or the only future endorsement deals he'll be getting will be for Auntie Anne's pretzels, because that's what his legs will look like.

Only skynyrd fans would even put AS 2.0 in the same discussion as Andrew Luck. Luck is scary in that he is progressing exactly as Peyton did his rookie year, but with a much better record. As for OROY, it's no contest. AS 2.0 isn't even a candidate for OROY on his own team. That running back they've got, think his name is Al Morrison, he's been more impressive.

Bottom line, in a few years, the 2012 darft will be remembered for great qbs like Luck and to a lesser extent Wilson, Tannehill and even Foles (maybe), but not for anyone wearing burgundy and yellow. Hell I would even take Kirt Cousins over AS 2.0 because he's a more pure quarterback in the end.

Time will tell, and it usually tells I'm right. You'll see.


go cowboys

See, when people say things like that I never know if I should take them seriously, because it just looks like you're trolling. If you're not then you don't really understand what you're watching and trying to explain it would be a bit pointless.

How many Super Bowl winning QBs need to explain the Redskins offense before random people on the internet quit referring to it as a "gimmick" offense?

This is just getting boring.

[1fisher]

Let him run. The hits will continue and it won't be pretty. ;)

[StarBoyz83]

He's not playing vs the browns Sunday

[Hoods]

Its dangerous for a QB to be on the field. One good hit on Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning cost each of them a season of their career, all of which were in the pocket. Palmer was never the same after that.

Joe Theisman's career was done on a play in the pocket.

Aikman's career was cut short (he only played 11 seasons) because of the concussions he sustained while playing as a pocket QB

How often was Matt Stafford injured in his first 2 seasons? Pocket passer. Romo's season ending injury in 2010. In the pocket


Yes, but all of those injuries are isolated incidents that happened after years of playing the position. RG3 has already been sidelined for running multiples times during his first year. Looks like he's about to miss at least a game, too. This doesn't bode well for his career going forward.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Yes, but all of those injuries are isolated incidents that happened after years of playing the position. RG3 has already been sidelined for running multiples times during his first year. Looks like he's about to miss at least a game, too. This doesn't bode well for his career going forward.

You're missing the point. Brady and Palmer's injuries didn't happen because they were older, they would've happened regardless if they were rookies or ten year veterans. No one takes a helmet on the knee like that and plays another game that season. Romeo's collarbone didn't break because he was old.

[SkinsFan28]

The argument that Griffin will have a shortened career will have a much better answer after next year. Over the off season he will spend a lot of time improving his slide, and his situational awareness. I think we saw a huge improvement in his use of the sideline after his Atlanta hit. Likewise, assuming this hit ultimately did little damage, it should have shown him the dangers of crossing into the middle of the field.

Let's not forget that he's a rookie, so a lot of these situations are the first time he's seeing the speed and power of NFL defenses. Most people here are expecting a sophomore slump, but I have high hopes that he will use his intelligence, and keep working with KS to improve the offense next year, though he may see his passer rating dip below 100.0 during his "slump".

[BAZ]

Improving his slide? I don't think I can live on this planet anymore.

[Rack Bauer]

Improving his slide? I don't think I can live on this planet anymore.

By all means... go away.

[BAZ]

By all means... go away.

I'll get right on that now I have your endorsement.

[Sonny#9]

Yes, but all of those injuries are isolated incidents that happened after years of playing the position. RG3 has already been sidelined for running multiples times during his first year. Looks like he's about to miss at least a game, too. This doesn't bode well for his career going forward.

How do you explain Matt Stafford then? He is 6'3" 232, a "pocket passer," was completely healthy in college. Yet played in only 13 games in his 1st 2 seasons, but hasn't missed a game in his last 2....

[Idgit]

The argument that Griffin will have a shortened career will have a much better answer after next year. Over the off season he will spend a lot of time improving his slide, and his situational awareness. I think we saw a huge improvement in his use of the sideline after his Atlanta hit. Likewise, assuming this hit ultimately did little damage, it should have shown him the dangers of crossing into the middle of the field.

Let's not forget that he's a rookie, so a lot of these situations are the first time he's seeing the speed and power of NFL defenses. Most people here are expecting a sophomore slump, but I have high hopes that he will use his intelligence, and keep working with KS to improve the offense next year, though he may see his passer rating dip below 100.0 during his "slump".

He'll probably slump somewhat. He still looks like a budding superstar to me.

His style of play subjects him to a greater risk of injury, but there's no knowing how his body will hold up or that injuries will be a particular problem for him. He's part of the vanguard of new-style QBs that we're going to see more of, regardless. This is how NFL QB position is evolving.

I hate the Skins more than the next guy, but I don't mind saying RGIII is obviously the real deal. I'm looking forward to an NFCE with the Skins relevant again for the first time in a long while and consider a slumped Eagles team relatively fair compensation for that. I'm just hoping we get a chance to play you guys for the NFCE in week 17. There'd be some amazing story lines for that game.

[Stryker44]

I'm looking for someone on the Giants, Cowboys, or Redskins to GUARANTEE a playoff birth or victory.

Who has the guts to step up and call it?

[Sonny#9]

I'm looking for someone on the Giants, Cowboys, or Redskins to GUARANTEE a playoff birth or victory.

Who has the guts to step up and call it?

I would say with twin nitwits in New York: Osi and Tuck. But all they do is whine about getting respect. I am going to go with our own nitwit: DeAngelo Hall.

[1fisher]

So you'll take stats over Wins?

......and BTW the Colts blew up just about everything after last season. Coach - GM - offense/defense. Reggie Wayne and Freeney are the only two players I recognize. Not to mention their NEW head coach hasn't been with the team in weeks.

Keep running the ball RG.... those hits won't get any easier! :D

[slaga]

RG3 is practicing, at least on a limited basis: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000110225/article/robert-griffin-iii-joins-drills-at-redskins-practice

[ragintd]

RG3 did it without his #1 for half the season (Garson) and without his #1 TE (Davis). Luck hasn't lost many if any of his offensive skill position players.

And you overlook the fact that Luck has played a MUCH weaker schedule then the Skins.

You can dis RG3 all you want. But he's changing tons of minds (media, coaches, and players) and quite possibly the game itself. We'll see in the coming years. To discount him and call him Aliki Smith 2.0 and just a joke.

[Duane]

He'll probably slump somewhat. He still looks like a budding superstar to me.

His style of play subjects him to a greater risk of injury, but there's no knowing how his body will hold up or that injuries will be a particular problem for him. He's part of the vanguard of new-style QBs that we're going to see more of, regardless. This is how NFL QB position is evolving.

I hate the Skins more than the next guy, but I don't mind saying RGIII is obviously the real deal. I'm looking forward to an NFCE with the Skins relevant again for the first time in a long while and consider a slumped Eagles team relatively fair compensation for that. I'm just hoping we get a chance to play you guys for the NFCE in week 17. There'd be some amazing story lines for that game.
I feel the same way. RGIII is a talent and is going to be a thorn in our side for the next decade if he can stay healthy.

[1fisher]

RG3 did it without his #1 for half the season (Garson) and without his #1 TE (Davis). Luck hasn't lost many if any of his offensive skill position players.

And you overlook the fact that Luck has played a MUCH weaker schedule then the Skins.

You can dis RG3 all you want. But he's changing tons of minds (media, coaches, and players) and quite possibly the game itself. We'll see in the coming years. To discount him and call him Aliki Smith 2.0 and just a joke.

Are they carving his bust for Canton already? I'll bet Jostens has already sized him for his multiple superbowl rings! Maybe he can also save us from this fiscal cliff.

:laugh2:

[ragintd]

Are they carving his bust for Canton already? I'll bet Jostens has already sized him for his multiple superbowl rings! Maybe he can also save us from this fiscal cliff.

:laugh2:

Never said any of that. But i will not discount him and call him worse then or the 2nd coming of Aliki Smith either. Love him or hate him, i don't care. Dude is a beast and if he can stay healthy he will be a game changer.

And btw, RG3 is already in the HOF.. at least his jersey and cleats are from the MNF game against the Giants
:D

[SkinsHokieFan]

Tarik El-Bashir ‏@TarikCSN
Robert Griffin III is on the field for practice. Did leg lifts, stretches and shuffle steps. #Redskins #RedskinsTalk

Tarik El-Bashir ‏@TarikCSN
I don't know to what extent @RGIII will participate in team drills (can't watch that) but I'm shocked by how much he's able to do.#Redskins

Tarik El-Bashir ‏@TarikCSN
Should be noted that there was no brace on the outside of his sweat pants. #RedskinsTalk #Redskins

[SkinsHokieFan]

I feel the same way. RGIII is a talent and is going to be a thorn in our side for the next decade if he can stay healthy.

If Thanksgiving was any indication he is about be far more then a thorn in your side.

He is going to dominate this rivalry like nobody has since Dave Campo :)

[SkinsHokieFan]

So you'll take stats over Wins?

......and BTW the Colts blew up just about everything after last season. Coach - GM - offense/defense. Reggie Wayne and Freeney are the only two players I recognize. Not to mention their NEW head coach hasn't been with the team in weeks.

Keep running the ball RG.... those hits won't get any easier! :D

Thats just silly "stats over wins"

Luck has 2 more wins over a far easier schedule to the point that it is not even worth discussing.

The last winning team Luck played? The Patriots. And he looked terrible, Rex Grossman like in that game throwing 2 pick 6's and getting the Colts blown out of the water.

Wins over TN (2), Jacksonville (1), Detroit (1), Buffalo (1), and getting blown out of the water by the Jets and Patriots isn't that impressive.

If he does win OROY he would be the first QB to win it by leading the NFL in one passing category: In Luck's case that would be interceptions

[1fisher]

Thats just silly "stats over wins"

Luck has 2 more wins over a far easier schedule to the point that it is not even worth discussing.

The last winning team Luck played? The Patriots. And he looked terrible, Rex Grossman like in that game throwing 2 pick 6's and getting the Colts blown out of the water.

Wins over TN (2), Jacksonville (1), Detroit (1), Buffalo (1), and getting blown out of the water by the Jets and Patriots isn't that impressive.

If he does win OROY he would be the first QB to win it by leading the NFL in one passing category: In Luck's case that would be interceptions

.......and yet what do you do? You typed 75 plus words..... DISCUSSING IT!

:lmao2:


I'm gonna laugh my rear end off if someone else wins the OROY!

[1fisher]

Never said any of that. But i will not discount him and call him worse then or the 2nd coming of Aliki Smith either. Love him or hate him, i don't care. Dude is a beast and if he can stay healthy he will be a game changer.

And btw, RG3 is already in the HOF.. at least his jersey and cleats are from the MNF game against the Giants
:D

........oh yea... you care! Otherwise you wouldn't be on a Cowboys message board pleading your case about how good he is! :D

[Bluestang]

RG3 did it without his #1 for half the season (Garson) and without his #1 TE (Davis). Luck hasn't lost many if any of his offensive skill position players.

Here's some facts:

RG3 w/ Garcon playing is 6 - 1.

When Garcon was out with his injury RG3 went 1 - 5.

So don't sit there and say that RG3 is "doing it" without his #1 (who's name you couldn't even spell correctly) because he only won 1 game in his absence.

[juck]

RG3 is a flash in the pan. Vick played this good his rookie year too. RG3 is smaller than Vick. injuries are a comin'

[SkinsFan82]

RG3 is a flash in the pan. Vick played this good his rookie year too. RG3 is smaller than Vick. injuries are a comin'

Michael Vick in his rookie year only played 8 games and finished with a passer rating of 62.7.

RG3 has started all 13 games so far and missed a couple of quarters due to injury, he's also tied for the league lead in passer rating with Tom Brady at 104.2.

Also, RG3 is both taller and heavier than Vick.

It's amazing you can be wrong about everything you say in a post, good job.

[ragintd]

Here's some facts:

RG3 w/ Garcon playing is 6 - 1.

When Garcon was out with his injury RG3 went 1 - 5.
:)
So don't sit there and say that RG3 is "doing it" without his #1 (who's name you couldn't even spell correctly) because he only won 1 game in his absence.

Yes.. And luck has won only 2 more games ans is in the bottm half of the Qb standings while RG3 is #1.

And I worry not about spelling cause typing on a cell phone sucks.

[pjtoadie]

Thats just silly "stats over wins"

Luck has 2 more wins over a far easier schedule to the point that it is not even worth discussing.

The last winning team Luck played? The Patriots. And he looked terrible, Rex Grossman like in that game throwing 2 pick 6's and getting the Colts blown out of the water.

Wins over TN (2), Jacksonville (1), Detroit (1), Buffalo (1), and getting blown out of the water by the Jets and Patriots isn't that impressive.

If he does win OROY he would be the first QB to win it by leading the NFL in one passing category: In Luck's case that would be interceptions


Didn't the Colts beat Aaron Rodgers and the all mighty Packers?!

[CitySlicker202]

I've been sifting through most of the pages in this thread and saw a recurring sentiment; RG3's playing style will ultimately shorten his career. What I say to that is.... perhaps. The possibility will always loom when he's outside the pocket with bodies flying around. However, playing QB in general will ultimately result in many injuries throughout the course of a career whether pocket passer or scrambler. The threat of a season or career ending injury is ever present for the NFL signal caller (Troy Aikman knows what I'm talking about).

Most rookie QBs go through the bumps in the road associated with learning how to minimize mistakes while operating an offense. In RG3's case, he's pretty damn consistent already operating his offense....it's him learning how to take less bumps in the road regarding his body. Pain is the greatest teacher and sometimes a young guy who thinks he's SuperMan has to learn the hard way. However he is learning nonetheless (the first injury this season came from just being reckless outside the pocket. The second injury occurred from not sliding fast enough to protect the whole body). RG3 is a smart a guy; he'll learn from it all.

And by the way, he's slated to play Sunday at Cleveland in a brace (he still has that rocket pin point arm).

[juck]

Michael Vick in his rookie year only played 8 games and finished with a passer rating of 62.7.

RG3 has started all 13 games so far and missed a couple of quarters due to injury, he's also tied for the league lead in passer rating with Tom Brady at 104.2.

Also, RG3 is both taller and heavier than Vick.

It's amazing you can be wrong about everything you say in a post, good job.
Whats amazing is that a redskin fan is so bored he has to come onto a Cowboys board. Makes no sense. Whats the point?

[Derekmtl85]

Whats amazing is that a redskin fan is so bored he has to come onto a Cowboys board. Makes no sense. Whats the point?

Lol Is this what you come up with, when you are wrong about something?

This forum has some very mature members...

[rdskn4eva]

RG3 is a flash in the pan. Vick played this good his rookie year too. RG3 is smaller than Vick. injuries are a comin'

Research much?
Vick Rookie Year:

44% completion
2 TD 3 Int
289 Rush rards 1 TD

Michael Vick 2nd Year

54% COmpletion
2936 Passing yards
16 TD 8 int
81 QBR
877 Rush yards 8 TD

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well Redskins fans trying to pimp RG3 on a Cowboys forum aside, the knee injury could hamstring the Redskins offensea more than a little. What killed us in the first game was them running that option on Ware and Ware failing more often than not in covering it.

Now that he has seen it we can hope that he can zone it up better but if RG3 cannot run well then it makes it a whole lot easier to defend. They must have run that play or it's play action counter on us up to 10 times. That is a significant amount of the offense.

This is before you consider that you can be a bit more aggressive in your pass rush because he is not so fast as to destroy angles from our slow ILB if he takes off upfield.

I am interested to see how he does if he has to be a pocket QB for 40 attempts. Not saying that he cannot but that athletic ability gives him a huge edge.

[Stryker44]

Well Redskins fans trying to pimp RG3 on a Cowboys forum aside, the knee injury could hamstring the Redskins offensea more than a little. What killed us in the first game was them running that option on Ware and Ware failing more often than not in covering it.

Now that he has seen it we can hope that he can zone it up better but if RG3 cannot run well then it makes it a whole lot easier to defend. They must have run that play or it's play action counter on us up to 10 times. That is a significant amount of the offense.

This is before you consider that you can be a bit more aggressive in your pass rush because he is not so fast as to destroy angles from our slow ILB if he takes off upfield.

I am interested to see how he does if he has to be a pocket QB for 40 attempts. Not saying that he cannot but that athletic ability gives him a huge edge.

I'm glad we aren't playing against you guys this week. Cleveland will pose its own problems - but I'm doubtful they will be able to put up 28 pts in a half on our D.

[SkinsFan82]

Whats amazing is that a redskin fan is so bored he has to come onto a Cowboys board. Makes no sense. Whats the point?

Yeah, I am bored and watching you lie and make up random facts to try and make yourself feel better is worth a laugh. I guess I'm the one with the problem though, sorry.

[Garland powerplay]

:lmao2:

[Sonny#9]

Yeah, I am bored and watching you lie and make up random facts to try and make yourself feel better is worth a laugh. I guess I'm the one with the problem though, sorry.

The utterly pathetic attempts to downplay Griffin here is highly entertaining. I also really love hearing how awesome Luck is playing, but Griffin is a fluke. I wonder if those claiming Luck's greatness saw that pick-6 Luck just tossed right to the LB as he was getting sacked...

[1fisher]

The utterly pathetic attempts to downplay Griffin here is highly entertaining. I also really love hearing how awesome Luck is playing, but Griffin is a fluke. I wonder if those claiming Luck's greatness saw that pick-6 Luck just tossed right to the LB as he was getting sacked...

You don't really love it..... you hate it and it's eating away at your soul! :D

[SkinsFan28]

Here's the PFF data on RG3's passes by direction and location on the field.

They have them cataloged by ATT - CMP - YDS - TD - INT - QB Rating

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Here's Luck's:

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It's not always just about TDs and INTs, you have to look at big picture stuff and it sure looks like Shanahan is limiting alot of downfield throws for RG3. It's good coaching but when the running game is rendered ineffective how will RG3 adjust?

The intermediate middle numbers suggest that the PA is quite effective and LBs are getting fooled. It happened in the Dallas game more than I liked and even DWare was fooled on more than one occasion with the option.

Cam Newton was pretty successful with the option in his rookie year but this year - not soo much...why?

When you run an option play at the NFL you are sacrificing your ball carrier's best attributes - his speed and vision - to hit the holes. That delay is not only allowing the LBers more time to read the play but your putting more stress on your lineman to hold their blocks. The NFL will always focus around players with exceptional speed, that's why coaches will have certain "pet cats" they cling to in order to make them a productive football player. It doesn't always pan out, but that's always been line 1 in the NFL. In college players can get by on pure athleticism, but in the NFL that's never been the case. The good ones are always good students of the game and have understood the mental part of the game.

Yesterday is a good example of why you don't want your QB running around like a ball carrier. The good ones, the elite ones...like Brady, Mannings, and Brees understand that if the play isn't there they need to throw the ball away. RG3 has already been flirting with injury in his rookie season and if he continues to get beat up like this he's not going to last in this league. That's where Shanahan needs to re-evaluate if the option packages in his playbook are really worth the "prize in the sky" if that's going to be the trade off. It's never been about if the option would be successful in the NFL because it obviously has been but the trade off has always been exposing your star player, and in this case your future face of the franchise, to harder hitting men that could cause a season or possibly career ending injury. That's why it's been coached at the NFL level for QBs to have a mental clock and to throw or get rid of the football once they hit their final step in their drop. Coaches don't want to see their franchise QB take one on the chin because he held onto the football waiting for a receiver to get open. RG3 and Shanahan are playing with fire if they continue the road they are on.
I swear I have looked at your graphic repeatedly trying to see anything on it that shows Luck is doing something better than Griffin. You say that it shows Shanahan is limiting Griffin's long throws, but lets look at some of the numbers:
+20 to the left, Griffin has 6/11/2/0, Luck has 8/22/2/0
+20 to the right, Griffin has 4/7/2/0, Luck has 8/26/2/3
+20 to the center, Griffin has 4/14/2/1, Luck has 15/37/3/3

So, yes the scheme doesn't force Griffin to throw deep, but when he does his rating and results are far better. Heck, +20 to the left, Griffin has 2 less completions on half the throws.

I guess the question I ultimately have, is in response to your comment:
It's good coaching but when the running game is rendered ineffective how will RG3 adjust?
If Griffin burns the defense deep, at the same rate, or better than Luck on all 3 deep areas, and hasn't made near the mistakes Luck has, then why would it seem obvious that he would do worse if the plan calls for him to throw more deep. Put another way, he could throw 14 more passes to the center long ball, all incomplete, before his numbers would be comparable to Luck's numbers now. Does his numbers give you reason to think he would do that?

[Idgit]

The utterly pathetic attempts to downplay Griffin here is highly entertaining. I also really love hearing how awesome Luck is playing, but Griffin is a fluke. I wonder if those claiming Luck's greatness saw that pick-6 Luck just tossed right to the LB as he was getting sacked...

What's somewhat comforting, to me at least, that you're getting it from the same guys who have zero appreciation and low expectation for our own team. It's apparently a congenital condition. Welcome to our world.

If nothing else, though, it's nice to see some signs of life in the old Cowboys/Redskins rivalry. At least our fans can still muster a limp response in a thread about your budding superstar QB.

[Sonny#9]

What's somewhat comforting, to me at least, that you're getting it from the same guys who have zero appreciation and low expectation for our own team. It's apparently a congenital condition. Welcome to our world.

Oh, we have plenty of these dinks on ES. I call it tr1 Syndrome.

If nothing else, though, it's nice to see some signs of life in the old Cowboys/Redskins rivalry. At least our fans can still muster a limp response in a thread about your budding superstar QB.

I am glad to finally be on the winning side of the limp response instead of trying to compare Jason Campbell to Tony Romo! :)

[AmericasTeam31]

I swear I have looked at your graphic repeatedly trying to see anything on it that shows Luck is doing something better than Griffin. You say that it shows Shanahan is limiting Griffin's long throws, but lets look at some of the numbers:
+20 to the left, Griffin has 6/11/2/0, Luck has 8/22/2/0
+20 to the right, Griffin has 4/7/2/0, Luck has 8/26/2/3
+20 to the center, Griffin has 4/14/2/1, Luck has 15/37/3/3

So, yes the scheme doesn't force Griffin to throw deep, but when he does his rating and results are far better. Heck, +20 to the left, Griffin has 2 less completions on half the throws.

I guess the question I ultimately have, is in response to your comment:

If Griffin burns the defense deep, at the same rate, or better than Luck on all 3 deep areas, and hasn't made near the mistakes Luck has, then why would it seem obvious that he would do worse if the plan calls for him to throw more deep. Put another way, he could throw 14 more passes to the center long ball, all incomplete, before his numbers would be comparable to Luck's numbers now. Does his numbers give you reason to think he would do that?

I believe what you are missing here is that his point was that Luck has been asked to do more. I didn't see it as a discredit to anything that RG has done, just that he hasn't been asked to do it as often, on purpose. Not because he can't or because he won't be able to, but because there is risk in asking a rookie, any rookie, to throw that many deep balls.

I'm waiting for it to sink in though that there a BIG differences between what Luck has done and what RG has done 'til this point.

RG has the #1 rushing attack in the league, and within that has the a RB in the top 5 in rushing yards. Luck has the #18 (average) running game behind him.

RG has thrown the second fewest passes of ANY starting QB in the league (one more pass than Russell Wilson). Luck has thrown the SECOND MOST passes of any QB in the league. Of course he's going to make more mistakes. Average running game and 200 more pass attempts will do that to any QB.

RG's passing numbers look great on the surface, can't deny that, can't discredit that. But what that chart (as well as my own eyes) show me is that they have a condensed offense that they use to suck in safeties and LB'ers to take deep shots. To the OC's credit he has found a way to seemingly always have a wide open receiver for RG to throw to.

My brother in law is a Redskins fan, we had this talk on Saturday night. I told him that the only hope that we (Cowboys fans) can cling to is whether or not RG can manage the pro game and read the defense. At this point he isn't being asked to do so very often. I haven't seen him drop many passes over the corner and in front of the safety in the cover two. Most of the passes, as the chart shows, are in front of his face. It's in the area vacated by linebackers who have been sucked into the play action. Or it's deep shot down field... For the most part it is a one read system (minus two minute drills and desperate situations).

Because no primarily running QB has won on a consistent basis at this point, the threat of him killing us with his legs in the future doesn't scare me. It's whether or not he can fully develop what Vick was not able to develop, the ability to read a defense and slice it apart with his arm. Honestly, any NFL QB can throw a 50 yard pass to an open WR or a WR with man coverage. It won't continue to happen enough to be relied on for years to come. Can he show the ability to consistently put the ball in the tight windows on third down, or in a clutch situation.... If he starts doing that in the next couple years, then we could have a problem...

[AmericasTeam31]

Oh, we have plenty of these dinks on ES. I call it tr1 Syndrome.



I am glad to finally be on the winning side of the limp response instead of trying to compare Jason Campbell to Tony Romo! :)

What are you winning exactly?

[1fisher]

What are you winning exactly?

I think it's because they have a one game win streak going against us? :muttley:

[AmericasTeam31]

I think it's because they have a one game win streak going against us? :muttley:

Never mind the 8-22 record over the last 30 right?:D

[Bluestang]

I believe what you are missing here is that his point was that Luck has been asked to do more. I didn't see it as a discredit to anything that RG has done, just that he hasn't been asked to do it as often, on purpose. Not because he can't or because he won't be able to, but because there is risk in asking a rookie, any rookie, to throw that many deep balls.

I'm waiting for it to sink in though that there a BIG differences between what Luck has done and what RG has done 'til this point.

RG has the #1 rushing attack in the league, and within that has the a RB in the top 5 in rushing yards. Luck has the #18 (average) running game behind him.

RG has thrown the second fewest passes of ANY starting QB in the league (one more pass than Russell Wilson). Luck has thrown the SECOND MOST passes of any QB in the league. Of course he's going to make more mistakes. Average running game and 200 more pass attempts will do that to any QB.

RG's passing numbers look great on the surface, can't deny that, can't discredit that. But what that chart (as well as my own eyes) show me is that they have a condensed offense that they use to suck in safeties and LB'ers to take deep shots. To the OC's credit he has found a way to seemingly always have a wide open receiver for RG to throw to.

My brother in law is a Redskins fan, we had this talk on Saturday night. I told him that the only hope that we (Cowboys fans) can cling to is whether or not RG can manage the pro game and read the defense. At this point he isn't being asked to do so very often. I haven't seen him drop many passes over the corner and in front of the safety in the cover two. Most of the passes, as the chart shows, are in front of his face. It's in the area vacated by linebackers who have been sucked into the play action. Or it's deep shot down field... For the most part it is a one read system (minus two minute drills and desperate situations).

Because no primarily running QB has won on a consistent basis at this point, the threat of him killing us with his legs in the future doesn't scare me. It's whether or not he can fully develop what Vick was not able to develop, the ability to read a defense and slice it apart with his arm. Honestly, any NFL QB can throw a 50 yard pass to an open WR or a WR with man coverage. It won't continue to happen enough to be relied on for years to come. Can he show the ability to consistently put the ball in the tight windows on third down, or in a clutch situation.... If he starts doing that in the next couple years, then we could have a problem...

And all it took was a little throught process on your part to figure it out.

Good job, and for the Redskin fans...keep making your comparisons to Rex Grossman when you can't think outside of the box.

[Yeagermeister]

What are you winning exactly?

Interweb points

[SkinsFan28]

And all it took was a little thought process on your part to figure it out.

Good job, and for the Redskin fans...keep making your comparisons to Rex Grossman when you can't think outside of the box.

Just because a qb throws more, doesn't mean he's asked to do more. Griffin is leading the #7 pts per game offense, and leading a more varied attack which opens the defense yes, but it's on Griffin to read the defense at the line and decide where the ball goes. The fact that the yds per attempt (#1 passing, #3 rushing) are so high in the league standings says that he is reading and understanding the defenses and where to attack, be it line of scrimmage or deeper down the field. Just because you are trying to read something into Luck's numbers doesn't make it a valid statement. If he is being asked to throw it deep more often, I am sure the coach isn't saying "Andrew, we need an incompletion or interception on this deep ball, can you do that?" But that is the result he is providing pretty frequently.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I believe what you are missing here is that his point was that Luck has been asked to do more..

Is Luck being asked to do more OR is he forcing the issue, Rex Grossman style? Nobody is able to prove at all that Andrew Luck is "being asked to do more" since nobody on this board knows what him and Arians are talking about nor are they at Colts or Redskins practice during the week.

Again, Tom Brady rarely throws deep. He is content to use the spread "college" passing offense to pick up quick 7-10 yard gains all the way up the field.

Andrew Luck came from an offense at Stanford where he had WIDE OPEN TE's streaking down the field because of the dominant run game he was afforded. We shouldn't be surprised he is forcing things deep like Grossman would because in college he had nothing but wide open guys deep off play action fakes.

Without the run game that he had at Stanford DBs aren't cheating up and he doesn't have the wide open deep passes he was used to with Jim Harbaugh.

This game makes me sick below because I was at the Orange Bowl but you'll notice in the first half he struggles badly (look at 1:46 IN where he makes a horrible decision to try and throw the ball while being taken down in the endzone and at 2:46 where he throws it straight to a wide open Jayron Hosley and again at 3:35 which was the turning point in the game, Hosley dropping what would have been a pick 6) but in the 2nd half, when the Stanford run game starts dominating and Virginia Tech is cheating up its safeties (in that 2nd half our safeties were 7 yards off the LOS) Luck throws wide open TD's.

Luck leading the NFL in interceptions is no surprise to me now and shows that RG3 is simply making far better decisions and is at this point a far superior passer and will continue to develop that way

Here is the clip I have mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq3Ol2jtGnk

[Sonny#9]

And all it took was a little throught process on your part to figure it out.

Good job, and for the Redskin fans...keep making your comparisons to Rex Grossman when you can't think outside of the box.

Or keep comparing Griffin to athletic black QBs that could never pass. Has Vince Young, Cam Newton (who is playing very well right now), or Mike Vick ever been as accurate or as efficient as Griffin has so far this year?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Or keep comparing Griffin to athletic black QBs that could never pass. Has Vince Young, Cam Newton (who is playing very well right now), or Mike Vick ever been as accurate or as efficient as Griffin has so far this year?

My favorite one was Akili Smith 2.0 :lmao2:

[Sonny#9]

My favorite one was Akili Smith 2.0 :lmao2:

That was good, but the one that said Griffin was the "same size as Vick"

[SkinsHokieFan]

That was good, but the one that said Griffin was the "same size as Vick"

That is laughable also.

I stood next to Michael Vick back in college. He was an inch shorter then I am.

I saw Griff at draft day. Much bigger then I am.

Vick was a very thick well built athlete but had a 5'11 frame at best. Grff is every inch of 6'2

[1fisher]

This thread is cracking me up! :laugh2:

[AmericasTeam31]

Again, Tom Brady rarely throws deep. He is content to use the spread "college" passing offense to pick up quick 7-10 yard gains all the way up the field.

Except Brady throws 38 short passes per game... Not 27.... Oh, and he throws for about 35 TD's per year too... Horrible comparison....

Andrew Luck came from an offense at Stanford where he had WIDE OPEN TE's streaking down the field because of the dominant run game he was afforded. We shouldn't be surprised he is forcing things deep like Grossman would because in college he had nothing but wide open guys deep off play action fakes.

Without the run game that he had at Stanford DBs aren't cheating up and he doesn't have the wide open deep passes he was used to with Jim Harbaugh.



Hmm... sounds strangely like an observation that was made on this board about RG. #1 rushing offense, wide open receivers and TE's everywhere, because of the dominant running game he was afforded and play action fakes.... Pretty much exactly what I said, and I also stated that I'm interested to see what happens when the safeties and LB's aren't pulled out of position by the running threat. So thanks for adding even more validity to that for me.

As for "reading and understanding the defense" I honestly haven't seen much of that. Granted, full disclosure, I haven't watched every snap, but it seems to me that there are a lot of one read pass plays in the offense.

What's with all the Grossman comparisons? No one here compares any player to Grossman except Skins fans.... Do we run around comparing every quarterback to Kitna or Quincy? He was your QB, he sucked, move on...

[NIBGoldenchild]

As for "reading and understanding the defense" I honestly haven't seen much of that. Granted, full disclosure, I haven't watched every snap, but it seems to me that there are a lot of one read pass plays in the offense. ..

Aside from a screen play, there are no one read plays in the offense. You have no clue what you're talking about. Every pass play has a minimum of two passing options and often, three. But for those who somehow can't seem to count 3 WRs lined up and running routes on the field, the high percentage of the first option being open has somehow convinced them it was the only option. :rolleyes:

[Bluestang]

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I think the pictures explain it all. Your welcome.

[SkinsFan28]

Your picture certainly does show that the offense has 3 WR's out, and that Griffin had to read what the strong safety was going to do. There was a check down, a mid level read and a deep read. As NIB said, just because the first option is open, doesn't mean a read isn't made, only that the correct one was.

I could agree with you all, if Griffin's numbers were less historic. But the fact is there is no amazing solution in this process, and every style of offense, and qb talent has been on the field over the course of the past 60 years. As has been pointed out many times, the option through several iterations has come and gone in the NFL.
For example, Cam Newton, had 21 td passes, 17 int's and a passer rating of 84 in a similar style offense - Carolina had 2400 total yards rushing(the Skins are at 2185 currently).
Ben Roethlisberger had a 98.1 passer rating his rookie year(the best in NFL history), Griffin currently is at 104.2.
Matt Ryan had an 87.7 passer rating his rookie year.
Only Marino has a better TD/Int ratio as a rookie.

No one can predict the future, but to say that what Griffin has done this season was purely schematic, or because he wasn't asked to do it differently is a ridiculous statement in light of the numbers he has posted.