So OL or DL in the 1st round?

[CATCH17]

Unless there is some rare rare talent available then we have to go with OL or DL right?


Im starting to think I would use that pick on an offensive tackle. I'd like to go DL 1st but tackle has been such a killer for us this year and I think getting another guy would be a good insurance policy just in case Tyron Smith doesn't reach a high level of play at LT and we could just switch him back to the right.

[Risen Star]

I would use that pick on the top talent available and not care where he plays on the field.

[Rack Bauer]

BPA of a position of need.

Which will likely either be Guard or DT/NG.


I'm hoping Warmack falls to us.

[Future]

Depending on where the safeties grade out, I think we could get a playmaker at FS in the first. That would be my guess. It's easier to find value in the trenches than at S in later rounds.

[CATCH17]

BPA of a position of need.

Which will likely either be Guard or DT/NG.


I'm hoping Warmack falls to us.

It's early but I think I like the North Carolina guard a little better right now.

I like Jonathan Cooper. I think Cooper has a lot of upside but he may not be as ready as others.


Warmack I think is a little overrated. He is pretty sluggish and doesn't look like he'll have any success blocking at the 2nd level in the NFL.

[CATCH17]

Depending on where the safeties grade out, I think we could get a playmaker at FS in the first. That would be my guess. It's easier to find value in the trenches than at S in later rounds.

Agree. That was the position where I had a rare player in mind.

I don't feel good about Barry Church having a good 2013 season.

[Boys122]

Hopefully the BPA is either a OL, DL, or S.

If it is at another position then we should still draft that player. For example: QB, RB, WR. Just give me the best player when we pick. That is all.

[robert70x7]

As of right now, if none of these guys are available, trade down.

Star Lotulelei
Chance Warmack
Luke Joeckel
Manti Te'o
Jarvis Jones
Damontre Moore
Jonathan Cooper
Alec Ogletree
Bjoern Werner
Eric Fisher
Sheldon Richardson
Dion Jordan
Barkevious Mingo
Taylor Lewan
John Jenkins
Sylvester Williams
Johnathan Hankins
Sam Montgomery
Ezekiel Ansah
Trade Down

[DBOY3141]

Jonathan Cooper will be the pick. Perfect for Callahan's blocking scheme. Last year the great DeCastro went 20 something, so Cooper should be mid to late 20's.

OL in the 1st
DL in the 2nd

[RS12]

I think Ansah might be irresistable if he is there, but I would go with best available lineman, either side.

[robert70x7]

Jonathan Cooper will be the pick. Perfect for Callahan's blocking scheme. Last year the great DeCastro went 20 something, so Cooper should be mid to late 20's.

OL in the 1st
DL in the 2nd

Can't slot positions by round. What happens if Star Lotulelei falls?

Decastro went 24th, and Warmack is better. I'd take Warmack in a heartbeat.

[CATCH17]

Jonathan Cooper will be the pick. Perfect for Callahan's blocking scheme. Last year the great DeCastro went 20 something, so Cooper should be mid to late 20's.

OL in the 1st
DL in the 2nd

It's early but I agree. Something about Warmack makes me think he'll struggle in the NFL. Just too sluggish looking.


Cooper has those feet that you look for and plays hard.

[Future]

Agree. That was the position where I had a rare player in mind.

I don't feel good about Barry Church having a good 2013 season.
I don't really have that hesitation about Church, but coupling him with a ball hawk type guy gives you great flexibility, and you can have that guy and Sensi in there on passing downs to be more athletic. Get that guy to be a playmaker, and then allow Sensi and Church to each have a role would be my goal for the secondary.

[RS12]

It's early but I agree. Something about Warmack makes me think he'll struggle in the NFL. Just too sluggish looking.


Cooper has those feet that you look for and plays hard.

I like both but did you see the Georgia game? Warmack was just dominant. His guy either blown off the ball or completely sealed off, and Georgia has several high draft picks in the front 7. I see him as a Pro Bowler in any scheme.

[robert70x7]

It's early but I agree. Something about Warmack makes me think he'll struggle in the NFL. Just too sluggish looking.


Cooper has those feet that you look for and plays hard.

Cooper does play hard, and he is quicker than Warmack. Both prospects are on the same tier as DeCastro in my opinion (I just hope their knees hold up in the preseason!).

The problem with the Cowboys is opening up running lanes in my opinion. Warmack opens up more holes and played against the best competition in the country. He probably benefited from being next to Fluker and Jones.

Does Callahan's blocking scheme favor quicker/atheltic guards?

[robert70x7]

I don't really have that hesitation about Church, but coupling him with a ball hawk type guy gives you great flexibility, and you can have that guy and Sensi in there on passing downs to be more athletic. Get that guy to be a playmaker, and then allow Sensi and Church to each have a role would be my goal for the secondary.

Is Kenny Vaccaro any better than Harrison Smith?

I don't think so. Another weak safety class.

[Risen Star]

Can't slot positions by round. What happens if Star Lotulelei falls?

Decastro went 24th, and Warmack is better. I'd take Warmack in a heartbeat.

You'd be a fool to slot positions to rounds. You might as well tell the scouts to go home. You can't treat the draft like it's veteran free agency.

[Risen Star]

I like both but did you see the Georgia game? Warmack was just dominant. His guy either blown off the ball or completely sealed off, and Georgia has several high draft picks in the front 7. I see him as a Pro Bowler in any scheme.

He dominated future 1st round picks in that game. Like a man among boys.

[Manwiththeplan]

Warmack I think is a little overrated. He is pretty sluggish and doesn't look like he'll have any success blocking at the 2nd level in the NFL.

For starters, this April, Womack (6'2) will be the shortest guard taken in round one, since atleast 1991 (Got tired of looking at that point).

And not one guard shorter than 6'3 has made the pro-bowl since LeCharles Bently in 2004.

So yea, I'd say he's over rated. And probably over weight. I just don't see him being able to line up a dominate his man all game like he does in college.

[Manwiththeplan]

He dominated future 1st round picks in that game. Like a man among boys.

he did, but I question how much upside he has. How much stronger can he get with his frame, without becoming completely immobile.

[CATCH17]

Cooper does play hard, and he is quicker than Warmack. Both prospects are on the same tier as DeCastro in my opinion (I just hope their knees hold up in the preseason!).

The problem with the Cowboys is opening up running lanes in my opinion. Warmack opens up more holes and played against the best competition in the country. He probably benefited from being next to Fluker and Jones.

Does Callahan's blocking scheme favor quicker/atheltic guards?


Well we have finesse linemen but we still prettyh much use power running schemes. With Murray you see a little more zone. So honestly I have no idea.

I just think Cooper has the upside so I would go with him.

I don't feel good about Warmack recovering quick enough when teams stunt and twist on him. Blocking at the 2nd level I don't feel good about either.

[TheCoolFan]

I think you go OLine in the 1st round because Jerry's history of drafting offensive linemen after the first half of the 2nd round is so poor.

[RS12]

For starters, this April, Womack (6'2) will be the shortest guard taken in round one, since atleast 1991 (Got tired of looking at that point).

And not one guard shorter than 6'3 has made the pro-bowl since LeCharles Bently in 2004.

So yea, I'd say he's over rated. And probably over weight. I just don't see him being able to line up a dominate his man all game like he does in college.

Not buying this. Warmack is LG and he is athletic. Seen him at the second level plenty. They ran all over Georgia averaging 8 yards a crack, he was a big part of it. The fact that he is an inch shorter than ideal wont bother most of the NFL. All that said I doubt they draft Warmack if he is there because I think priorities fall as follows 1) Pass rush D Line or OLB 2) A versatile cant miss OL like Dallas Thomas who you could plug in 3 positions and be better than you were, and could be had in the 20's.

[robert70x7]

Not buying this. Warmack is LG and he is athletic. Seen him at the second level plenty. They ran all over Georgia averaging 8 yards a crack, he was a big part of it. The fact that he is an inch shorter than ideal wont bother most of the NFL. All that said I doubt they draft Warmack if he is there because I think priorities fall as follows 1) Pass rush D Line or OLB 2) A versatile cant miss OL like Dallas Thomas who you could plug in 3 positions and be better than you were, and could be had in the 20's.

Why OLB over OL?

[tm1119]

Is Kenny Vaccaro any better than Harrison Smith?

I don't think so. Another weak safety class.

I wouldn't call this safety class weak at all. It lacks the elite top talent like a Berry or Earl Thomas, but there definitely is a lot of talent there. Vaccaro, Elam, Rambo, Reid, McDonald, Jefferson and Lester have all been playmakers at big schools. Not saying all are going to be studs but I wouldn't mind grabbing anyone of them between rounds 2-4. We saw what we have backing up at the safety spot. It's not pretty.

And I would take Warmack over Cooper in a heartbeat. Not that I don't like Cooper, but warmack is just a monster. Freakishly strong combined with great technique. You will rarely see this guy get pushed back by a defensive lineman. It would be nice having an actual pocket for Tony to be able to step up into. Not to mention Warmack is head and shoulders above any other olineman in this class as a run blocker.

[robert70x7]

I wouldn't call this safety class weak at all. It lacks the elite top talent like a Berry or Earl Thomas, but there definitely is a lot of talent there. Vaccaro, Elam, Rambo, Reid, McDonald, Jefferson and Lester have all been playmakers at big schools. Not saying all are going to be studs but I wouldn't mind grabbing anyone of them between rounds 2-4. We saw what we have backing up at the safety spot. It's not pretty.


You forgot Shawn Williams, who I like a lot as well. I'm glad you clarified rounds 2-4, I just don't like when Vaccaro is linked to us in the first.

[RS12]

Why OLB over OL?

Spencer status is iffy, Ware on the wrong side of 30 and may already be slowing down. Hatcher is on the wrong side of 30 as well. I see a guy like Ansah who they may see as a JPP or Watt type and not be able to resist, quick twitch and long limbed. Pass rushers are like pitching in baseball and shooter in basketball, can never have enough.

[xwalker]

It's early but I think I like the North Carolina guard a little better right now.

I like Jonathan Cooper. I think Cooper has a lot of upside but he may not be as ready as others.

Warmack I think is a little overrated. He is pretty sluggish and doesn't look like he'll have any success blocking at the 2nd level in the NFL.


I would be happy with either Cooper or Warmack.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that Cooper could be a better NFL player. Warmack is definitely stronger, but Cooper has elite quickness.

[kirkjrk]

BPA of a position of need.

Which will likely either be Guard or DT/NG.


I'm hoping Warmack falls to us.
Absolutely Agree.

[Manwiththeplan]

I would use that pick on the top talent available and not care where he plays on the field.

And if the top talent on the board is a WR or a MLB you take one?

[juck]

Id draft O tackle and move Free to guard.Id go DL in second then Center in FA.Only playmaker i want is Tavon from WVU. He may go quick though.

[CATCH17]

Id draft O tackle and move Free to guard.Id go DL in second then Center in FA.Only playmaker i want is Tavon from WVU. He may go quick though.

Doug Free isn't strong enough to handle Defensive ends. How will he take on D Tackles? He can't.

I'd rather try Costa at guard before I go Doug Free.

[chuch]

I wouldn't call this safety class weak at all. It lacks the elite top talent like a Berry or Earl Thomas, but there definitely is a lot of talent there. Vaccaro, Elam, Rambo, Reid, McDonald, Jefferson and Lester have all been playmakers at big schools. Not saying all are going to be studs but I wouldn't mind grabbing anyone of them between rounds 2-4. We saw what we have backing up at the safety spot. It's not pretty.

And I would take Warmack over Cooper in a heartbeat. Not that I don't like Cooper, but warmack is just a monster. Freakishly strong combined with great technique. You will rarely see this guy get pushed back by a defensive lineman. It would be nice having an actual pocket for Tony to be able to step up into. Not to mention Warmack is head and shoulders above any other olineman in this class as a run blocker.

This. A couple others worth watching from smaller programs would be Duke Williams (Nevada) and Phillip Thomas (Fresno State). Both have bowl games coming up.

[xwalker]

Doug Free isn't strong enough to handle Defensive ends. How will he take on D Tackles? He can't.

I'd rather try Costa at guard before I go Doug Free.

I agree.

Also, with Free's 7 million base salary for 2013, can't you just sign a real OG?

[Gaede]

I prefer Warmack to Cooper, but either would be just fine to me.

As far as safety, I like Elam the best.

Lots of good DL available this draft, as well.

[Future]

Is Kenny Vaccaro any better than Harrison Smith?

I don't think so. Another weak safety class.
There's a bunch of good safeties coming out.

Reid, Rambo, Lester, Jefferson, McDonald could all be first day guys. And there are a bunch of other pretty good mid-round type guys.

[robert70x7]

There's a bunch of good safeties coming out.

Reid, Rambo, Lester, Jefferson, McDonald could all be first day guys. And there are a bunch of other pretty good mid-round type guys.

Yep. Foot in mouth.

[dez_for_prez]

I would use that pick on the top talent available and not care where he plays on the field.

Even, wait for it... Cornerback?

[Future]

Yep. Foot in mouth.
:laugh2:

Sorry, i responded before I read the rest of the thread.