Which college QB would fit Garrett's offense the best?

[ringmaster]

We know that the Cowboys will be looking for a replacement eventually for Romo, and it might even happen in this upcoming draft a guy they can groom for the future.

Which college QB would fit this offensive scheme ran by Garrett the best?

[DFWJC]

Andrew Luck

Oh well. On eyear late and would be unattainable anyway.

Sorry I couldn't add anything of substance.

[RS12]

Geno Smith or Zac Dysert.

[ringmaster]

Andrew Luck

Oh well. On eyear late and would be unattainable anyway.

Sorry I couldn't add anything of substance.No problem lol.:laugh1:

[IAmLegend]

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tyler+Bray+Florida+v+Tennessee+K4f5FBNCEQyl.jpg

Other than Geno Smith, here's my choice. You have to take into account the 2-3 years of development that will take place. I think with that amount of time, Bray could turn into a special player. The talent is certainly there, and he's only 20. I think Garrett could turn him into an All-Pro. But, I doubt we use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB, which is where BRay will be drafted. If we take one late, I like Zac Dysert of Miami-OH. and ifLogan Thomas of VT declares, I like him a lot too.

[ringmaster]

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Other than Geno Smith, here's my choice. You have to take into account the 2-3 years of development that will take place. I think with that amount of time, Bray could turn into a special player. The talent is certainly there, and he's only 20. I think Garrett could turn him into an All-Pro. But, I doubt we use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB, which is where BRay will be drafted. If we take one late, I like Zac Dysert of Miami-OH.Ok those are two interesting QBs but if I had to pick one it would be Dysert, over Bray because I watched Bray quite a bit this past season he tends to lock on WRs at times but he does have the tools to be successful in the NFL.

[Doomsday101]

I doubt the Cowboys would look at QB in the 1st rd of the draft, one guy I would not mind later in the draft would be Collin Klein of K-State

[ringmaster]

I doubt the Cowboys would look at QB in the 1st rd of the draft, one guy I would not mind later in the draft would be Collin Klein of K-StateInteresting, I'm not a big fan of Colin Klein he to me would be a developmental QB and imho I don't see him as a first rounder but hey I have been proven wrong before.

[TheCoolFan]

Klein will have to show something as a tight end or fullback...pretty much Tebow without the media attention. His throwing motion is even worse than Tebow's...he's got no future in the NFL as a QB. They didn't even invite him to the Senior Bowl.

[CATCH17]

I'd be shocked if any QB could have success within Garrett's system if they can't make plays with their feet.

[Risen Star]

I doubt the Cowboys would look at QB in the 1st rd of the draft, one guy I would not mind later in the draft would be Collin Klein of K-State

He won't even play QB in the NFL.

[respectdatstar]

Bray would need a new # but I like his potential.

[Hailmary]

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Other than Geno Smith, here's my choice. You have to take into account the 2-3 years of development that will take place. I think with that amount of time, Bray could turn into a special player. The talent is certainly there, and he's only 20. I think Garrett could turn him into an All-Pro. But, I doubt we use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a QB, which is where BRay will be drafted. If we take one late, I like Zac Dysert of Miami-OH. and ifLogan Thomas of VT declares, I like him a lot too.

I think when all is said and done, he'll go in the first. I think he has more upside than Locker, Gabbert and Ponder combined and teams all reached for them in the first.

[tm1119]

Garrett has a system?

But seriously, none of these QB's are worth us touching inside the 4th round. Would just flat out be a waste of a pick in my opinion. I really don't see us keeping 3 QB's anyway. Just not the year to be thinking about future QB.

As far as undrafted FA QB's I would look at:
Jeff Tuel- Wash St
Brad Sorensen- Southern Utah
Colby Cameron- La Tech
Mike Hermann-RPI

[Boys122]

Give me Wilson, Bray or Nassib.

[supercowboy8]

I dont care for any of these QBs this year and would rather spend draft picks on positions we need players and depth at than a QB.

[lostar2009]

I dont care for any of these QBs this year and would rather spend draft picks on positions we need players and depth at than a QB.
Yea you say this now until Romo goes out and we fund out how bad Orton is..

[RastaRocket]

I say wait till next year unless we draft a QB in like the 5th, 6th, or 7th.

[RastaRocket]

Yea you say this now until Romo goes out and we fund out how bad Orton is..

I'll take Orton over any of these guys. 9/10 89 yds and 1 TD this season. :laugh2:
Really though, Orton is a solid backup that's why I could care less about drafting a QB.

[TheFinisher]

not eligible until next year.

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[supercowboy8]

Yea you say this now until Romo goes out and we fund out how bad Orton is..

and some 2nd-4th round pick is just going to come in and take over, yeah right. I'm not against drafting a QB, but this just isn't the draft to do so.

[Muhast]

Aaron Murray. He is mobile, and would work well in this offense. Although he will go in the 1st. Bray has a lot of character issues. Not a RKG>

[kirkjrk]

I say wait till next year unless we draft a QB in like the 5th, 6th, or 7th.
Blake Bortles UCF 6'4" 221lbs. for next year. Great arm, very mobile, good decisions Redshirt Soph. this year--25 tds, 7 int ,3K plus yardage 145 QB Rtg., 285 yds rushing- 8 tds. He will be one I'm watching next year.

[TVMan]

Mike Glennon, NC State
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[xwalker]

But seriously, none of these QB's are worth us touching inside the 4th round. Would just flat out be a waste of a pick in my opinion. I really don't see us keeping 3 QB's anyway. Just not the year to be thinking about future QB.

I agree. I know it goes against the conventional fan/media logic, but I don't want to use a draft pick or a roster spot on a QB this year.

[Aikmaniac]

Aaron Murray. He is mobile, and would work well in this offense. Although he will go in the 1st. Bray has a lot of character issues. Not a RKG>

How high do you think he'll go? Worth another Claiborne type trade?

I like Murray a lot.

[kiheikiwi]

I dont care for any of these QBs this year and would rather spend draft picks on positions we need players and depth at than a QB.

This, wait one more year. We have a solid backup and need the picks spent on other positions. No more trade ups that cost us picks that we cant afford not to have - just like last year, we have too many holes not to have all available picks !

[supercowboy8]

How high do you think he'll go? Worth another Claiborne type trade?

I like Murray a lot.

No he isn't, I don't think any QB in this draft is worth a 1st round pick. But teams that need a QB will reach and will be kicking them selves in a few years. Minnesota, Jacksonville, and Cleveland are doing now. This draft does not have good to great QBs and i dont want to waste a early pick on one of these guys. I want to help romo now.

[VACowboy]

Mike Glennon, NC State
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:signmast:

[supercowboy8]

Glennon sucks, did any one see him vs Tennessee. Yeah he played good vs bad ACC teams but cant play vs better teams.

[TVMan]

Glennon sucks, did any one see him vs Tennessee. Yeah he played good vs bad ACC teams but cant play vs better teams.

6,702 yards and 62 touchdowns in two years. Dude has upside and can throw the rock.

[supercowboy8]

6,702 yards and 62 touchdowns in two years. Dude has upside and can throw the rock.

Look at his stats per game, you can see he para those stats vs bad teams. All I know is what I see and when I havw watched him this year I'm not impressed. He is a a lot like drew bledsoe buy throws way more picks.

Also his completion percentage is terrible.

[Hailmary]

Glennon sucks, did any one see him vs Tennessee. Yeah he played good vs bad ACC teams but cant play vs better teams.
Haven't really seen him play, so I can't comment on how good or not he is, but Kiper did just mention that he has a chance to be the first qb taken and he's starting to show up in the first of some mocks.

Just saying...

[supercowboy8]

Haven't really seen him play, so I can't comment on how good or not he is, but Kiper did just mention that he has a chance to be the first qb taken and he's starting to show up in the first of some mocks.

Just saying...

which is pretty sad. He has all the measurable, but his play isnt great at all. 57% completion ratings and bad games vs top teams.

He has the arm, the size, but he is not good. With Kiper saying he is the top QB just shows how bad this class is and teams will reach on QBs. I say skip on these QBs this year. We will have Romo for 3-5 more years.

[RS12]

Glennon is a poor mans Matt Ryan.

[dart]

Alex Carder, QB, Western Michigan
Height: 6-2. Weight: 224.

6 rd or later

[dart]

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
Height: 6-2. Weight: 229.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2013): 2-3.


http://www.suathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=9103&path=football

[Diogenes]

Does anybody know anything about Aaron Murray? I've recently been hearing his name bandied about but didn't get a chance to see Georgia play much this year.

[OhioCowboy249]

Does anybody know anything about Aaron Murray? I've recently been hearing his name bandied about but didn't get a chance to see Georgia play much this year.

I think what hurts his stock is his lack of height he is listed at 6'0". But look at Bree's and the even shorter Russell Wilson. I also am not sure if he is even coming out of school this year. Living in Ohio, I've seen Dysert play a great deal, including when he played my Buckeyes, and I can say this kid is legit. Great accuracy, he places the ball perfectly. I saw way too many dropped balls by Miami players that were perfectly placed by him. I think his stock will rise quickly through the draft process. I would take him or Bray over the rest of the qb's in this draft.

[Muhast]

Does anybody know anything about Aaron Murray? I've recently been hearing his name bandied about but didn't get a chance to see Georgia play much this year.


Some draft experts say Aaron should be the first QB taken overall.

He is athletic and will run a 4.6-4.7 range 40, although he isn't really a runner, but he will move around a lot to extend plays. He has a pretty good arm, and nice accuracy. He would be a great pick in the 2nd-3rd round for someone.

[TVMan]

Look at his stats per game, you can see he para those stats vs bad teams. All I know is what I see and when I havw watched him this year I'm not impressed. He is a a lot like drew bledsoe buy throws way more picks.

Also his completion percentage is terrible.

Article from Oct. 29 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000087375/article/nc-state-quarterback-mike-glennon-set-to-rocket-up-draft-boards)

[VACowboy]

which is pretty sad. He has all the measurable, but his play isnt great at all. 57% completion ratings and bad games vs top teams.

He has the arm, the size, but he is not good. With Kiper saying he is the top QB just shows how bad this class is and teams will reach on QBs. I say skip on these QBs this year. We will have Romo for 3-5 more years.

It's interesting to compare your take on Glennon to all these (http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=250067) opinions of another "talented" ACC QB with a less than spectacular 2012 numbers.

Thomas was hyped as a top-10 selection after a year in which he completed less than 60% of his passes, threw 19 TDs and had 10 balls intercepted. Compare this to Glennon's 2012 numbers: 57.7, 30 and 14. What's the difference, Thomas' mighty 3.07 yards per carry?

I wouldn't draft Glennon unless he slipped to the 4th round or something. We just don't need a QB that bad. But Glennon has the size, arm strength and smarts that you need in a timing-based, down the field offense.

[TVMan]

It's interesting to compare your take on Glennon to all these (http://cowboyszone.com/forums/dallascowboys.php?t=250067) opinions of another "talented" ACC QB with a less than spectacular 2012 numbers.

Thomas was hyped as a top-10 selection after a year in which he completed less than 60% of his passes, threw 19 TDs and had 10 balls intercepted. Compare this to Glennon's 2012 numbers: 57.7, 30 and 14. What's the difference, Thomas' mighty 3.07 yards per carry?

I wouldn't draft Glennon unless he slipped to the 4th round or something. We just don't need a QB that bad. But Glennon has the size, arm strength and smarts that you need in a timing-based, down the field offense.

This.

[supercowboy8]

Article from Oct. 29 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000087375/article/nc-state-quarterback-mike-glennon-set-to-rocket-up-draft-boards)

This proves nothing. Sure he has the size and arm all scouts look for and will climb the board that doesn't mean he is going to be good.
Ponder and Gabbert both climbed the board and were taken high and I wouldn't have drafted either of them.

IMO there isnt a single QB worth a 1st round pick and not a QB for Dallas to pick in the first 3 rounds.

[jnday]

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
Height: 6-2. Weight: 229.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2013): 2-3.


http://www.suathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=9103&path=football

According to the rumors, the Cowboys are scouting him.

[TVMan]

This proves nothing. Sure he has the size and arm all scouts look for and will climb the board that doesn't mean he is going to be good.
Ponder and Gabbert both climbed the board and were taken high and I wouldn't have drafted either of them.

IMO there isnt a single QB worth a 1st round pick and not a QB for Dallas to pick in the first 3 rounds.

Wasn't intended to prove anything.

Just a point of reference from a scouts view. Clearly, the guy has talent, that's the point.

As far as Dallas picking a QB in this draft, I wouldn't bet against it.

[VACowboy]

This proves nothing. Sure he has the size and arm all scouts look for and will climb the board that doesn't mean he is going to be good.

How's this different than with any other player? Ryan Leaf? Heath Shuler? Andre Ware? JaMarcus Russel? Tony Mandarich? Blair Thomas?

There are no guarantees, eh?

IMO there isnt a single QB worth a 1st round pick and not a QB for Dallas to pick in the first 3 rounds.

I don't think anyone here is advocating the selection of Glennon, or any other QB, in the first round. I know I sort of specifically said I'd not take Glennon unless he slips to the fourth or so.

But none of the above has anything to do with the topic of this thread, which is: Which QB in the 2013 draft class best fits Garrett's offense? And my answer, considering all the physical tools, is Mike Glennon.

[Diogenes]

I think what hurts his stock is his lack of height he is listed at 6'0". But look at Bree's and the even shorter Russell Wilson. I also am not sure if he is even coming out of school this year. Living in Ohio, I've seen Dysert play a great deal, including when he played my Buckeyes, and I can say this kid is legit. Great accuracy, he places the ball perfectly. I saw way too many dropped balls by Miami players that were perfectly placed by him. I think his stock will rise quickly through the draft process. I would take him or Bray over the rest of the qb's in this draft.

Some draft experts say Aaron should be the first QB taken overall.

He is athletic and will run a 4.6-4.7 range 40, although he isn't really a runner, but he will move around a lot to extend plays. He has a pretty good arm, and nice accuracy. He would be a great pick in the 2nd-3rd round for someone.


Thanks for the info. I will try to find some video on him.

[supercowboy8]

Wasn't intended to prove anything.

Just a point of reference from a scouts view. Clearly, the guy has talent, that's the point.

As far as Dallas picking a QB in this draft, I wouldn't bet against it.

I hope its not in the first three rounds. Also Dallas is about to extend Romo for 3-5 more years. drafting a Qb in this draft any not looking at OL, DL, or safety would be stupid. We are just one game out of the playoffs every year. Fix ther OL, DL, and get a safety, this team can win 3 more games a year. Adding a QB does nothing to fix this team now.

[supercowboy8]

How's this different than with any other player? Ryan Leaf? Heath Shuler? Andre Ware? JaMarcus Russel? Tony Mandarich? Blair Thomas?

There are no guarantees, eh?



I don't think anyone here is advocating the selection of Glennon, or any other QB, in the first round. I know I sort of specifically said I'd not take Glennon unless he slips to the fourth or so.

But none of the above has anything to do with the topic of this thread, which is: Which QB in the 2013 draft class best fits Garrett's offense? And my answer, considering all the physical tools, is Mike Glennon.

I know what the thread is about and i don't think Mike Glennon would fit Garrett system in any way. I don't think he fits any system in the NFL these days. You have to be accurate and mobile, neither of what Glennon is. He is a pure pocket passer that cant escape pressure. With Garrett's OL he will be killed.

But to answer the question of the thread, I have a few that I think could develop and fit Garrett's system but I still wouldn't take them due to better players at positions of need will be available.

Mine are
Ryan Nassib
Tyler Wilson
Aaron Murrey
my wildcard is Derek Carr

[TVMan]

I hope its not in the first three rounds. Also Dallas is about to extend Romo for 3-5 more years. drafting a Qb in this draft any not looking at OL, DL, or safety would be stupid. We are just one game out of the playoffs every year. Fix ther OL, DL, and get a safety, this team can win 3 more games a year. Adding a QB does nothing to fix this team now.

If you believe that Romo can remain healthy for 3-5 years, then your logic is sound. Drafting a QB on day two, would be a wise investment considering the age factor.

The interest for drafting a QB has been there the last two years, see Dalton as evidence. Those drafts just didn't fall that way.

[CowboyStar88]

I would still go after Landry Jones. I think this kid has the tools size and arm to be a solid good QB. He wasn't to long ago that he was the talk of the town.

[Aikbach]

Nick Florence could be a sleeper, quietly led the nation is total offense this year replacing RG3.

[IAmLegend]

I would still go after Landry Jones. I think this kid has the tools size and arm to be a solid good QB. He wasn't to long ago that he was the talk of the town.

He has had every opportunity to prove he's an elite QB at OU, and he constantly chokes and sucks in big games. He's had great talent around him too every year, and he still hasn't done it. He makes poor decision and seems to always make key mistakes. He's one of the guys I really hope we don't draft.

[CowboyStar88]

He has had every opportunity to prove he's an elite QB at OU, and he constantly chokes and sucks in big games. He's had great talent around him too every year, and he still hasn't done it. He makes poor decision and seems to always make key mistakes. He's one of the guys I really hope we don't draft.

I will put it to you this way. If the Cowboys are to draft a QB this year I would bet he is the target. Jerry is a business man he knows that a kid like Landry he can market. He is a high profile kid who was named after Tom Landry. The relationship with stoops the Cowboys will know everything they need to know. For the timing based offense this kid can run it. I don't see the cowboys going after a smaller no name QB in the draft. Especially considering they have a chance to get Landry. He is a good player. And has the tools and comes from a winning program. It sounds dumb but this is a huge opportunity for Jerry the marketing guru to make money and take a chance on a kid that has all the tools. It's fitting really. I have a feeling that this move has some potential to happen.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

Geno Smith... He's got a huge arm with a lot of accuracy...

[dart]

2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Alex Carder, QB, Western Michigan

Athleticism:
+A built upper body to go along with strong legs
+Ability to move the chains with his feet
+ Quick dropback
+Can lower the shoulder and fall forward for extra yards at his size
+Keeps plays alive
+Tough as nails

Intelligence:
+Makes quick decisions
+If there is no play, he doesn’t force it
+Ability to adjust offense at the line

Arm Talent:
+Very strong arm, can make all of the deep throws
+Gets rid of the ball quickly
+Can complete passes down the field, especially over the middle
+Holds the ball securely
+Has a high release
+Can throw from different angles
+Senses pocket pressure and can adjust to the pass-rush
+Strong cross-body throws

Overview:
Carder is the type of football player that every coach would love to have on their team. Going into his third year as a starter, the under-recruited quarterback has displayed a great ability to throw a bunch of touchdowns while keeping the number of interceptions limited. Carder is always fired up on the field but remains poised in the pocket and he will do whatever it takes to get to the endzone; whether it be stepping up into the arms of a defensive end and making the throw, running a quarterback dive on a fourth-and-one or even just turning around and handing the ball off. While showing a good throwing motion, Carder could clean up his stance and be coached to read through his progressions quicker. The Kansas native is a natural leader and will have a spot on an NFL roster saved for him next season

[ABQcowboyJR]

Ej Manuel is a guy I've started to look at. He has a lot of potential, great arm and prototypical size. He might be a guy that can play with some more development.

[KB1122]

As a "Romo-Hater" of note, let me say, if there isn't a first-rounder that you want this year, don't draft a quarterback. Wait a year. Stick with Tony one more year. Or trade Romo, go with Orton, and then get the guy you want the next year or the year after that. But don't take a quarterback just to take a quarterback or because it's time. You have to get the right one.

Bridgewater is expected to be the #1 pick in 2014, corrrect? Why not wait?

[Muhast]

As a "Romo-Hater" of note, let me say, if there isn't a first-rounder that you want this year, don't draft a quarterback. Wait a year. Stick with Tony one more year. Or trade Romo, go with Orton, and then get the guy you want the next year or the year after that. But don't take a quarterback just to take a quarterback or because it's time. You have to get the right one.

Bridgewater is expected to be the #1 pick in 2014, corrrect? Why not wait?


We aren't going to have the #1 pick overall in 2014.

[MarkP88]

I'll preface this by saying I'm a Romo fan, and would not simply get rid of him, regardless of whether or not we draft a QB this year, or how high.

I do think we should invest serious resources in scouting QBs this year - see if there's someone they develop a conviction about (as they apparently did Andy Dalton a couple years back), and if they do, find a way to get him. Doesn't mean he needs to start this year. But with the QB position, more than any other, you need to be aggressive - if there's a guy you want, go get him. Even as a fan of Tony's, he's going to be 33 this year. He could have another 3 top level years remaining - or he could start to slip in the next year or so. Remember, he has taken quite a beating the past few years.

Beyond the need for a QB-in-waiting, aggressively going after a QB (again, if they feel there's one worth it) would communicate a larger message to the team, and that'd be of great value as well. 8-8 is not acceptable, and it's important that the organization is unambiguously after much better results. Minimal, conservative changes this offseason won't cut it, in my opinion.

Of course, in the short term, OL is a bigger need. But QB must be looked into.

Personally, if Aaron Murray is available in Round 2 - or the bottom of Round 1, even - we should find a way to go up and get him. Similar skill set to Romo, and a great mindset.

Just my two cents.

Mark

[Joe Rod]

Blake Bortles UCF 6'4" 221lbs. for next year. Great arm, very mobile, good decisions Redshirt Soph. this year--25 tds, 7 int ,3K plus yardage 145 QB Rtg., 285 yds rushing- 8 tds. He will be one I'm watching next year.

Wow, are you a UCF grad or something? The kid has played pretty well, I'm just surprised anyone outside of a UCF alumn would know the name right now.