That Does it 3-4

[Qwickdraw]

This pick seals the deal for me.

Dallas is going to be a 3-4.
No doubt.

[HardHittin'Witten]

good...bring it on

[Portland Fanatic]

This pick seals the deal for me.

Dallas is going to be a 3-4.
No doubt.

Agree.....home run draft!

Wait...Grand Slam!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AsthmaField]

Two LB's and two 3-4 DE's... I think it can be done in one offseason.

[Avery]

My only question is FS at this point. Who's it going to be?

[Tio]

I think more versatile. 40% 4-3 60% 3-4. THats why bp told spears to lose weight imo. I just don't think the 3-4 gives us as much options at rushing the passer with the lineup we have. In the 4-3 we can have glover, ware and ellis playing at the same time. In the 3-4 one will have to be benched.

[AsthmaField]

I think more versatile. 40% 4-3 60% 3-4. THats why bp told spears to lose weight imo. I just don't think the 3-4 gives us as much options at rushing the passer with the lineup we have. In the 4-3 we can have glover, ware and ellis playing at the same time. In the 3-4 one will have to be benched.
Not true.

We can have:

Spears at DE
Glover at NT
Ellis at DE

Ware at Rush OLB
James at ILB
Nguyen at ILB
Burnett at OLB

And that's how it will happen. Glover will play NT in passing situations, per Parcells.

[jksmith269]

My only question is FS at this point. Who's it going to be?


We have players to trade to get a FS if we need to. I don't think we need to with the moves we've made I think the FS's we have Davis and Scott should be fine.

[Chuck 54]

I think more versatile. 40% 4-3 60% 3-4. THats why bp told spears to lose weight imo. I just don't think the 3-4 gives us as much options at rushing the passer with the lineup we have. In the 4-3 we can have glover, ware and ellis playing at the same time. In the 3-4 one will have to be benched.
not in passing situations...then you can go smaller and quicker.

[Tio]

Not true.

We can have:

Spears at DE
Glover at NT
Ellis at DE

Ware at Rush OLB
James at ILB
Nguyen at ILB
Burnett at OLB

And that's how it will happen. Glover will play NT in passing situations, per Parcells.glover and ellis would be eaten alive in the 3-4.

[Tio]

not in passing situations...then you can go smaller and quicker.than we could just go 4-3 with ware and ellis at ends and spears and glover inside.

[Doomsday101]

This pick seals the deal for me.

Dallas is going to be a 3-4.
No doubt.

I don't think it is as simple as saying Dallas will run a 3-4, I think Dallas is going to able to do a lot of different things on defense and will give teams many different looks with different combo of players on defense. This appears to be a page right out of NE defense

[Tio]

I don't think it is as simple as saying Dallas will run a 3-4, I think Dallas is going to able to do a lot of different things on defense and will give teams many different looks with different combo of players on defense. This appears to be a page right out of NE defenseExactly we have a roster that can go 3-4 or 4-3 any time. I know one thing, we won't be worn out in the 4th qtr.

[MichaelWinicki]

Not true.

We can have:

Spears at DE
Glover at NT
Ellis at DE

Ware at Rush OLB
James at ILB
Nguyen at ILB
Burnett at OLB

And that's how it will happen. Glover will play NT in passing situations, per Parcells.

But Ware puts his hand on the ground, like what he's use too and it's a 4-3. I can see Spears moving to DT in passing situations.

[MichaelWinicki]

than we could just go 4-3 with ware and ellis at ends and spears and glover inside.


That's exactly what I said.

[ZB9]

My only question is FS at this point. Who's it going to be?

perhaps Dallas can sign Ty Law and move him to FS?

[Tio]

That's exactly what I said.I said it first :p:

[MichaelWinicki]

Exactly we have a roster that can go 3-4 or 4-3 any time. I know one thing, we won't be worn out in the 4th qtr.


Very, very good points.

[MichaelWinicki]

I said it first :p:

I think I said it last night! LOL!

[MichaelWinicki]

perhaps Dallas can sign Ty Law and move him to FS?


That wouldn't surprise me.

[junk]

But Ware puts his hand on the ground, like what he's use too and it's a 4-3. I can see Spears moving to DT in passing situations.

This is what I have been saying all offseason. Versatile players that will allow the team to move into and out of fronts. Line up in a 3-4 like stated. Presnap, bring Ware down and have him drop a hand. 4-3. Bring Roy up in the box 4-4.

I like the depth, the versatility and the ability to play multiple fronts. Also quickly rebuilt the front four, added youth and added the ability to play multiple fronts going forward (depending upon the coaching situation).

Good draft so far.

[MichaelWinicki]

This is what I have been saying all offseason. Versatile players that will allow the team to move into and out of fronts. Line up in a 3-4 like stated. Presnap, bring Ware down and have him drop a hand. 4-3. Bring Roy up in the box 4-4.

I like the depth, the versatility and the ability to play multiple fronts. Also quickly rebuilt the front four, added youth and added the ability to play multiple fronts going forward (depending upon the coaching situation).

Good draft so far.


Well said. It's not going to be a pure 3-4 team like what "someone" has been spouting off about but a very different defense than what maybe anyone is use too.

I like the depth too. At least we shouldn't be dead tired in the 4th quarter.

[AsthmaField]

glover and ellis would be eaten alive in the 3-4.
Then you better get ready for that... because yesterday Parcells said Glover will play NT in the 3-4. I'm assuming he means in passing situations.

Glover already has constant double teams... you think they'll put 3 OL on him in the 3-4? We can only hope. Spears, Ellis and Ware would then make a bee-line for the QB.

[Tio]

Well said. It's not going to be a pure 3-4 team like what "someone" has been spouting off about but a very different defense than what maybe anyone is use too.

I like the depth too. At least we shouldn't be dead tired in the 4th quarter.agree completely. Every player we have drafted can move 3-4 or 4-3. If this was a pure 3-4, glover or ellis would have been traded, parcells wouldn't have asked spears to lose weight. We would have tooken blackstock over burnett (blackstock cannot play the 4-3, burnett isn't as effective as blackstock in a 3-4)

[Tio]

Then you better get ready for that... because yesterday Parcells said Glover will play NT in the 3-4. I'm assuming he means in passing situations.

Glover already has constant double teams... you think they'll put 3 OL on him in the 3-4? We can only hope. Spears, Ellis and Ware would then make a bee-line for the QB.Glover is a liability in the running game when he doesn't have a big body next to him. I think we go 4-3 in passing situations.

[MichaelWinicki]

agree completely. Every player we have drafted can move 3-4 or 4-3. If this was a pure 3-4, glover or ellis would have been traded, parcells wouldn't have asked spears to lose weight. We would have tooken blackstock over burnett (blackstock cannot play the 4-3, burnett isn't as effective as blackstock in a 3-4)


That's a key point.. Blackstock would have meant one thing if he had been drafted... he wasn't and so I don't see the full committment to the 3-4.

[adbutcher]

You guys are forgetting the most important cog to the transition to the hybrid d we are going to play, Jason Fegurson. He gives us the flexibility to play both 4-3 or 3-4 in any situation whether it is a perdominately run or pass down.

[Tio]

plus, bp made the pint that all of these guys are smart, and thats a key to be running this mixed system. That is what the pats do, and that guy on cold pizza made th pint that everyone has to be really smart on that defense to play all the mixed schemes.

[jterrell]

than we could just go 4-3 with ware and ellis at ends and spears and glover inside.
But we won't.
BP has called his shot and he delivered.
This is now a 3-4 defense who will play some 4-3 not vice versa.

Ellis will be excellent as a 3-4 DE. Those think are otherwise are making a very bad player evaluation. He has faced double teams in the running game and won those battles.

[jterrell]

You guys are forgetting the most important cog to the transition to the hybrid d we are going to play, Jason Fegurson. He gives us the flexibility to play both 4-3 or 3-4 in any situation whether it is a perdominately run or pass down.
Fergie wont play on passing downs at all.

[big dog cowboy]

BP seems to be fed up with losing.

[Hoov]

But we won't.
BP has called his shot and he delivered.
This is now a 3-4 defense who will play some 4-3 not vice versa.

Ellis will be excellent as a 3-4 DE. Those think are otherwise are making a very bad player evaluation. He has faced double teams in the running game and won those battles.

Yeah, ellis always good against run,

[MichaelWinicki]

But we won't.
BP has called his shot and he delivered.
This is now a 3-4 defense who will play some 4-3 not vice versa.

Ellis will be excellent as a 3-4 DE. Those think are otherwise are making a very bad player evaluation. He has faced double teams in the running game and won those battles.

JT I think you're giving an opinion only... until I see it, I won't accept it as fact-- either with the 3-4 or the Ellis thing.

[adbutcher]

Fergie wont play on passing downs at all.
But he could if need be. With all of the on the fly personel changes he could find himself in when the other team is passing and we won't suffer from it, imo.

[adbutcher]

JT I think you're giving an opinion only... until I see it, I won't accept it as fact-- either with the 3-4 or the Ellis thing.
I agree with JT on Ellis. His strength is his ability to play the run a necessary trait for a 34 DE.

[cc cowboy]

How about this in passing situations ... Ware, Glover, Ellis, Canty. Remember, Ellis has moverd inside to tackle in the past on obvious passing downs.

[junk]

I am concerned about depth behind Ferguson. Have to go to a 4-3 to get him his breathers!

[ssummers65]

are yall forgetting about Ferguson?

[MichaelWinicki]

I am concerned about depth behind Ferguson. Have to go to a 4-3 to get him his breathers!


I think Spears might be a better DT than he would be DE.

[AsthmaField]

Glover is a liability in the running game when he doesn't have a big body next to him. I think we go 4-3 in passing situations.

You're really sticking to your guns.

If Parcells said Glover will be NT, then we need to assume he'll play there some.

Now, you're telling me that Bill is going to take out Ferguson on running downs and put Glover in? That is where Glover would get eaten up at NT.

If Glover can play NT, it would be when his quickness would come into play... and that would be on passing downs. On running downs, the C/G combo would just push Glover out of the way.

No, I think when Glover is at the nose... Like Parcells said he would be some... it'll be during passing downs.

I could be wrong though, but I don't think I am.

[Tio]

But we won't.
BP has called his shot and he delivered.
This is now a 3-4 defense who will play some 4-3 not vice versa.

Ellis will be excellent as a 3-4 DE. Those think are otherwise are making a very bad player evaluation. He has faced double teams in the running game and won those battles.I am talking about passing situations. Your opinion of Ellis doing great in a 3-4 is just as valid as mine saying he won't. He is probably too small and he has only faced double teams in the passing game.

[junk]

I think Spears might be a better DT than he would be DE.

I don't see him as NT type though. I agree that we may see Spears at DT some as well.

[jksmith269]

perhaps Dallas can sign Ty Law and move him to FS?


Won't touch Law while he is represented by the postons....

[Tio]

You're really sticking to your guns.

If Parcells said Glover will be NT, then we need to assume he'll play there some.Parcells has never seen glover at NT either.

Now, you're telling me that Bill is going to take out Ferguson on running downs and put Glover in? That is where Glover would get eaten up at NT.In a 3-4, the down lineman and more specifically the NT has almost have no chance of generating a pass rush.

If Glover can play NT, it would be when his quickness would come into play... and that would be on passing downs. On running downs, the C/G combo would just push Glover out of the way.Duh. But you do not know whether or not a team will pass or run. We could get killed with a draw play.

No, I think when Glover is at the nose... Like Parcells said he would be some... it'll be during passing downs.Parcells could just as easily switch 4-3 on passing downs and I think he will. He wants versatility.

[Tio]

I don't see him as NT type though. I agree that we may see Spears at DT some as well.I think spears will replace glover when he leaves.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ware has never played OLB. He's a natural 43 RDE. I absolutly think that he has the athleticisam to play OLB but there will be a learning curve there. I don't see us just sticking him in there and going 34. I still believe we will be a 43 defense predominantly. Spears is able to play DT or DE in a 43 and projects very well to DE in a 34. Still, the ability is there to play in a 43. Burnett is a 43 OLB. He is an excelletn pass rusher so he should fit into a 34 as well. He play's sideline to sideline but it will take him a good season to learn the 34. This pick would still suggest a majority of 43 IMO. Canty is a 34 DE but also projects well to a 43 LDE. Think Stahain. I have never felt as if Glover projected well to a 34. If he did, then I don't tink we would have seen 3 DEs selected in this draft with a specific move up to get Canty. I think he can contribute in a 34 but I don't see him as a main piece of that defense. If he were moved, then I think that would speak volumes as to which defense would be predominant but until that happens, I think 43 is still the base. Glover's contract is to much to just have him be situational.

I still think we're a good year away from being a 34 team, assuming that's what we want to be. We have pieces to play either at this point.

[AsthmaField]

Duh. But you do not know whether or not a team will pass or run. We could get killed with a draw play.


Duh. And yet you say Glover won't play NT in passing situations. Parcells said he'll play NT. I assumed then, that you meant LaRoi would play NT on running down.

If you're saying that's not what you meant... then I assume you mean he'll play NT during passing downs?

If it's 3rd and 9... there's a pretty good chance it'll be a pass play. They may trick us a few times like that... but no team will make a living running consistantly in situations like that.

Glover could generate a pass rush from the NT position. He certainly could do it much more easily than Ferguson.


Parcells has never seen glover at NT either.

I trust Parcells judgement more than anyone elses.

[mkelly71]

Not true.

We can have:

Spears at DE
Glover at NT
Ellis at DE

Ware at Rush OLB
James at ILB
Nguyen at ILB
Burnett at OLB

And that's how it will happen. Glover will play NT in passing situations, per Parcells.
did u forget about the big money we just paid to former jet ferguson were u suggesting benching him hahaha

[Nors]

You 4-3 supporters are in total denial.
Parcells is blowing it up in front of your eyes.

Ware would be a liability at RDE in Zimmers occupy 4-3
He's an OLB in a 3-4

Spears played 3-4 DE in College
Canty played 3-4 DE in College
Burnett is another big backer - he called him a bubble backer.

We signed Jason Ferguson one of the best NT's in the game.

Coakley sent packing, Al S is next out of here.

The 3-4 is here my friends - deal with it!

[MichaelWinicki]

did u forget about the big money we just paid to former jet ferguson were u suggesting benching him hahaha


I don't think Asthma is suggesting that. This was a 3rd down, passing down option.

I look at it differently that him. I see Spears and Glover as the DT's with Ellis and Ware as the DE's. Same players yet he calls it a 3-4 and I call it a 4-3.

[MichaelWinicki]

You 4-3 supporters are in total denial.
Parcells is blowing it up in front of your eyes.

Ware would be a liability at RDE in Zimmers occupy 4-3
He's an OLB in a 3-4

Spears played 3-4 DE in College
Canty played 3-4 DE in College
Burnett is another big backer - he called him a bubble backer.

We signed Jason Ferguson one of the best NT's in the game.

Coakley sent packing, Al S is next out of here.

The 3-4 is here my friends - deal with it!

And where is Ellis going to play Nors? Oh yeah you think he's going to ride the bench! HA-HA-HA-HA!

[AsthmaField]

did u forget about the big money we just paid to former jet ferguson were u suggesting benching him hahaha


That's in some passing situations, dillweed, hahahah, i'm not talking about benching anyone hahahah we'd play different players in different situations, its called versatiltiy hahahha we're paying glover pretty big money to be sitting on the bench hahahahaah so we probably won't just throw him away hahahah

[MichaelWinicki]

You 4-3 supporters are in total denial.
Parcells is blowing it up in front of your eyes.

Ware would be a liability at RDE in Zimmers occupy 4-3
He's an OLB in a 3-4

Spears played 3-4 DE in College
Canty played 3-4 DE in College
Burnett is another big backer - he called him a bubble backer.

We signed Jason Ferguson one of the best NT's in the game.

Coakley sent packing, Al S is next out of here.

The 3-4 is here my friends - deal with it!


How come Parcells hasn't publically commited to the 3-4? Hmm?

[mkelly71]

I don't think Asthma is suggesting that. This was a 3rd down, passing down option.

I look at it differently that him. I see Spears and Glover as the DT's with Ellis and Ware as the DE's. Same players yet he calls it a 3-4 and I call it a 4-3. i could be wrong but i dont think we spend all that money on ferguson to let him off on obvious passing downs when all the experts say he does have some value rushing the passer. so i feel he will be in there full time except for obviously a few breathers

[Nors]

Go listen to his PC and JJ -

Count how many times 3-4 comes up.
If we are staying in a 4-3 thats some piss poor drafting - lol

Stop - you are looking silly.

Where's the great Howard trade? The great 4-3 saviour?
There WAS no trade!

We are so obviously going 3-4 its laughable.

[MichaelWinicki]

Go listen to his PC and JJ -

Count how many times 3-4 comes up.
If we are staying in a 4-3 thats some piss poor drafting - lol

Stop - you are looking silly.

Where's the great Howard trade? The great 4-3 saviour?
There WAS no trade!

We are so obviously going 3-4 its laughable.

No Nors it's not the "going 3-4" that's laughable... trust me on that one! ;)

[AsthmaField]

I don't think Asthma is suggesting that. This was a 3rd down, passing down option.

I look at it differently that him. I see Spears and Glover as the DT's with Ellis and Ware as the DE's. Same players yet he calls it a 3-4 and I call it a 4-3.


Right Mike.

And that combination could very well be played a good portion of the time. But the 3-4 combination will be played as well.

If the 4-3 way yields better results, I'd expect us to play that more... and vice-versa.

[junk]

You 4-3 supporters are in total denial.
Parcells is blowing it up in front of your eyes.

Ware would be a liability at RDE in Zimmers occupy 4-3
He's an OLB in a 3-4

Spears played 3-4 DE in College
Canty played 3-4 DE in College
Burnett is another big backer - he called him a bubble backer.

We signed Jason Ferguson one of the best NT's in the game.

Coakley sent packing, Al S is next out of here.

The 3-4 is here my friends - deal with it!

Burnett is big in your opinion? But Al S is small. Burnett is a half inch taller and about 3 lbs heavier. I love how you distort reality to fit your perception.

Many fronts this year, the team added very versatile players. Ware was a 4-3 DE in college. Spears played a 4-3 DE in college too.

I expect to see both fronts this year and the draft's versatility will allow the team to move between the two and leave the same people on the field.

Good draft, though. The defense got much better.

[Avery]

I think we'll play 3-4 60% of the time and the 4-3 about 40%.

It's all about different looks. To say one or the other is going to be completely phased out is simply not the case.

[Tio]

Yep ave, that is the way I see it.

[MichaelWinicki]

Burnett is big in your opinion? But Al S is small. Burnett is a half inch taller and about 3 lbs heavier. I love how you distort reality to fit your perception.

Many fronts this year, the team added very versatile players. Ware was a 4-3 DE in college. Spears played a 4-3 DE in college too.

I expect to see both fronts this year and the draft's versatility will allow the team to move between the two and leave the same people on the field.

Good draft, though. The defense got much better.


You know a true fan would just admit that the Cowboys got a whole lot better on defense from this draft... but instead there are those that are more satisfied pushing their own thinly veiled agenda's.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You 4-3 supporters are in total denial.
Parcells is blowing it up in front of your eyes.

Ware would be a liability at RDE in Zimmers occupy 4-3
He's an OLB in a 3-4

Spears played 3-4 DE in College
Canty played 3-4 DE in College
Burnett is another big backer - he called him a bubble backer.

We signed Jason Ferguson one of the best NT's in the game.

Coakley sent packing, Al S is next out of here.

The 3-4 is here my friends - deal with it!

This post is total BS. Your stirring the pot Nors. Ware has never played OLB. Let me say this again. He has NEVER played OLB. Your asking a guy to come in, at the highest level of sport, and learn to play a position he's never played and in a scheme he's never played in. Reality says that this is really a great deal to ask of anybody. You bank on the fact that our 43 is going to be the same scheme as well. You look at the move we've made this year and it does not suggest this.

1. We sign Ferguson who can be a 34 NT but plays a 43 DT 1 technique.
2. We don't trade Glover or Ellis. Neither is an ideal fit for a 34.
3. We don't address the FS position at all. This would suggest that we are not going to play a great deal of cover2. To play that scheme, you have to have superior Safety play. This suggest more man to man, maybe even bump and run, with a great deal of pressure from the front 7.
4. Ware reminds me of Haley. I can see him playing in much he same type scheme, at least initially.
5. Spears played in much more of a 43 scheme then a 34.
6. If I'm not mistaken, Virginia hasn't played the 34 for at least a season. Canty is also a 43 DE.
7. Burnett is a 43 OLB. He may learn to play in a 34 but there is a curve. Your make a great deal of assumption here. I think we're still a 43 defense but with definate 34 direction.

[EveryoneElse]

The 3-4 is here my friends - deal with it!

The 3-4 was here last year. We used it some.

I don't know why you continue to throw the Howard trade rumor in everyones face. It didn't happen, much like The Ty Law trade last year and this year. Much like the Larry Allen to NT, or the Sumo wrestler you suggested we sign. You really fooled some of us on the "Book it", "there's no way we take Ware over Merriman".

Get over yourself.

[Nors]

Bring it!

Deny the 3-4 all you want. All you 4-3 homers hid behind the "Howard" trade as a great sign we were sticking 4-3. WRONG

Ware/Merriman - I preferred Merriman but that too is a 3-4 Debate. Both tweeners.


Chris Canty baby!
3-4 DE , Parcells you kidder.

Parcells had Zimmer working on 3-4 all offseason. HE'S DOING THAT FOR ****S AND GIGGLES?

Ware
Spears
Burnett
Canty

Denial, you have to get over it. Its a done deal!

[MichaelWinicki]

Bring it!

Deny the 3-4 all you want. All you 4-3 homers hid behind the "Howard" trade as a great sign we were sticking 4-3. WRONG

Ware/Merriman - I preferred Merriman but that too is a 3-4 Debate. Both tweeners.


Chris Canty baby!
3-4 DE , Parcells you kidder.

Parcells had Zimmer working on 3-4 all offseason. HE'S DOING THAT FOR ****S AND GIGGLES?

Ware
Spears
Burnett
Canty

Denial, you have to get over it. Its a done deal!

Nors... if you recall I NEVER was for the Howard trade... never.

[DallasEast]

5. Spears played in much more of a 43 scheme then a 34.Being a lifelong LSU, I'm trying to curb my posting enthusiasm because of past Cowboy picks such as David LeFleur :( and (up to this point underachieving) Bradie James. But I've been mostly silent about all the 'Spears will look better in the 3-4 scheme' talk. Fact is that Spears' exceled in the 4-3 at LSU. I see him as an asset in either scheme, but he's definitely not a liability in the 4-3. JMO.

[EveryoneElse]

Denial, you have to get over it. Its a done deal!

Whos in denial?

Everyone who has half a brain knows BPs past with the 3-4.

All who have been against the 3-4 have had a better arguement against it than you had for it. We DIDN'T have the PLAYERS. This draft is probably the bridge to the 3-4.....right off the bat? I think we'll eaze into it.

Before yesterday we DIDN'T have any business switching to 3-4. Now we have a players that fit the 3-4.

[Nors]

This post is total BS. Your stirring the pot Nors. Ware has never played OLB. Let me say this again. He has NEVER played OLB. Your asking a guy to come in, at the highest level of sport, and learn to play a position he's never played and in a scheme he's never played in. Reality says that this is really a great deal to ask of anybody. You bank on the fact that our 43 is going to be the same scheme as well. You look at the move we've made this year and it does not suggest this.

1. We sign Ferguson who can be a 34 NT but plays a 43 DT 1 technique. CORRECT - HE CAN PLAY BOTH
2. We don't trade Glover or Ellis. Neither is an ideal fit for a 34. THEY WILL FIGHT FOR PLAYING TIME
3. We don't address the FS position at all. This would suggest that we are not going to play a great deal of cover2. To play that scheme, you have to have superior Safety play. This suggest more man to man, maybe even bump and run, with a great deal of pressure from the front 7. THIS IS A PROBLEM
4. Ware reminds me of Haley. I can see him playing in much he same type scheme, at least initially. YOU DON'T WASTE HIM IN ZIMMYS 4-3 COVER 2. THAT WOULD BE A DISASTER
5. Spears played in much more of a 43 scheme then a 34. WRONG HE'S A 3-4 DE UNDER SABIN. PROTOTYPE 3-4 DE AT 305
6. If I'm not mistaken, Virginia hasn't played the 34 for at least a season. Canty is also a 43 DE. WRONG - THEY PLAYED 3-4 HE'S 6-8 285 - HE'S PROJECTED 3-4 LDE
7. Burnett is a 43 OLB. He may learn to play in a 34 but there is a curve. Your make a great deal of assumption here. I think we're still a 43 defense but with definate 34 direction. PARCELLS CALLED HIM A BUBBLE BACKER - AT 240 AND IS VERSATILE ILB/OLB


Stop denying this was a 3-4 draft!

[Jarv]

Rotation and different looks is the key. We have so many options we are struggeling who to play where ?? As long as the opposing OC's are struggeling with the same, I'm happy.

[Nors]

Whos in denial?

Everyone who has half a brain knows BPs past with the 3-4.

All who have been against the 3-4 have had a better arguement against it than you had for it. We DIDN'T have the PLAYERS. This draft is probably the bridge to the 3-4.....right off the bat? I think we'll eaze into it.

Before yesterday we DIDN'T have any business switching to 3-4. Now we have a players that fit the 3-4.


yeagh yeagh - all off season, we can't make the move. the great glover and ellis don't fit. we are closer to 4-3 fix.

WRONG

We just added 4 potential stud 3-4 Starters.
They had Zimmer working 3-4 all offseason.

Its a coming. Plenty of seats on the 3-4 wagon. Step up!

[Danny White]

You know a true fan would just admit that the Cowboys got a whole lot better on defense from this draft... but instead there are those that are more satisfied pushing their own thinly veiled agenda's.

As an outside observer... it seems like people are looking through their agenda-colored glasses on both sides of this arguement.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bring it!

Deny the 3-4 all you want. All you 4-3 homers hid behind the "Howard" trade as a great sign we were sticking 4-3. WRONG

Ware/Merriman - I preferred Merriman but that too is a 3-4 Debate. Both tweeners.


Chris Canty baby!
3-4 DE , Parcells you kidder.

Parcells had Zimmer working on 3-4 all offseason. HE'S DOING THAT FOR ****S AND GIGGLES?

Ware
Spears
Burnett
Canty

Denial, you have to get over it. Its a done deal!

OK Nors, your right. Come September, we will come out in a 34 and never look back. We won't play 43 and we will hail you as a devine god that knows all. We will continue to listen to your umpteen million predictions, giving each and every one of them our religious support. We know that if you've hinted at it, it must be right.

Think about it man. It really doesn't make sense that we do this. We will play both and I think, probably more 43 then 34 this year.

[Nors]

Rotation and different looks is the key. We have so many options we are struggeling who to play where ?? As long as the opposing OC's are struggeling with the same, I'm happy.
good post

[MichaelWinicki]

As an outside observer... it seems like people are looking through their agenda-colored glasses on both sides of this arguement.


True... but whoever says it first looks original doing it. ;)

[Tio]

IMHO, we are a much better 4-3/3-4 hybrid(i hate that word) team than we would be with going either way 100%.

[junk]

Bring it!

Deny the 3-4 all you want. All you 4-3 homers hid behind the "Howard" trade as a great sign we were sticking 4-3. WRONG

Ware/Merriman - I preferred Merriman but that too is a 3-4 Debate. Both tweeners.


Chris Canty baby!
3-4 DE , Parcells you kidder.

Parcells had Zimmer working on 3-4 all offseason. HE'S DOING THAT FOR ****S AND GIGGLES?

Ware
Spears
Burnett
Canty

Denial, you have to get over it. Its a done deal!

I was for Howard because it would have made the team better. Thats what I want to happen irregardless of scheme (unlike some). All offseason I have said I suspected Dallas to add versatile players to play both schemes. That is exactly what happened with EVERY defensive pick.

What if Ware and Merriman were gone at 11? Don't you think Howard might have been a Cowboy then? What about the Rice rumors? Dallas had to get a pass rusher and were very fortunate in the way the draft fell for them.

Spears projects as a 3-4 end. I believe LSU primarily played 4-3. Ware was a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 OLB. If Burnett is big, then so is Al Singleton.

Anyway, it was a good draft that will give the team lots of options this year. I still expect many different looks and no one look full time.

[Nors]

OK Nors, your right. Come September, we will come out in a 34 and never look back. We won't play 43 and we will hail you as a devine god that knows all. We will continue to listen to your umpteen million predictions, giving each and every one of them our religious support. We know that if you've hinted at it, it must be right.

Think about it man. It really doesn't make sense that we do this. We will play both and I think, probably more 43 then 34 this year.

STOP TALKING FOR ME

I actually agree we will play both 3-4 AND 4-3.
We now have a base 3-4 and will play some 4-3


What a draft!

[ABQCOWBOY]

PARCELLS CALLED HIM A BUBBLE BACKER - AT 240 AND IS VERSATILE ILB/OLB


Stop denying this was a 3-4 draft!

OK, so how does this change the fact that he's never played in a 34? It's gonna take time and you can't explain that away. Not even in your world NORS.

I make like 7 points and you blow up over one? Take a step back and think about how your acting here NORs. Your coming off looking like a spoiled child. Nobody is saying that we're not going to play some 34 but I don't see how anybody can look at this situation, as it stands today, and say were a 34 team, period. Does not make sense. 3 years ago, when we hired Parcells, I said then that it would take a good 3 years before we could even think about moving to a 34. It's not like your the first person to look at the fact we hired Parcells and understood that a 34 could be in our future. We all understood this. It's just that most of us don't need to act as if it's a revolutionary idea we came up with. Most of us are willing to accept the fact that it was more of a writing on the wall deal as opposed to an inside source thinkg we got from someone in the know.

Just relax

[EveryoneElse]

yeagh yeagh - all off season, we can't make the move. the great glover and ellis don't fit. we are closer to 4-3 fix.

WRONG

We just added 4 potential stud 3-4 Starters.
They had Zimmer working 3-4 all offseason.

Its a coming. Plenty of seats on the 3-4 wagon. Step up!

Why are Glover(4 straight pro bowls) and Ellis(solid DE as there is) still on this roster? We will run both defenses. If you are going to argue that, then your in denial.

I think all offseason and since BP has been here it has been argued that we HAVEN'T HAD THE PLAYERS to run the 3-4. We now HAVE PLAYERS THAT FIT.

Take a step back and listen to yourself. Before yesterday you had no arguement, now that we have the players for a 3-4, you bet we'll run it more.

One thing you don't seem to get is: EVERYONE knew BP had a history of the 3-4, not JUST YOU. Unitl we HAD the players(which we now do) it made no sense to run the 3-4.

[ABQCOWBOY]

STOP TALKING FOR ME

I actually agree we will play both 3-4 AND 4-3.
We now have a base 3-4 and will play some 4-3


What a draft!


OK, like I said, we heard it straight from you. We understand how it will go. We will all sit and wait for it. Now you can shut up about it and we will all go out and buy our Patri..... Auhhu...... (clears throat) I mean Cowboys Jerseys for the season and be happy.

Deal?

[MichaelWinicki]

STOP TALKING FOR ME

I actually agree we will play both 3-4 AND 4-3.
We now have a base 3-4 and will play some 4-3


What a draft!


OK Nors... who sits in the 3-4... Ellis or Glover????

Answer the question Nors.

Quit avoiding me...

[MichaelWinicki]

OK, like I said, we heard it straight from you. We understand how it will go. We will all sit and wait for it. Now you can shut up about it and we will all go out and buy our Patri..... Auhhu...... (clears throat) I mean Cowboys Jerseys for the season and be happy.

Deal?


Nors already has a closet full of Pat's jerseys. He's a troll on this board I think. :D

[blindzebra]

PARCELLS CALLED HIM A BUBBLE BACKER - AT 240 AND IS VERSATILE ILB/OLB


Stop denying this was a 3-4 draft!

We did not draft a scheme, we drafted talented players.



PERSONNEL!

Is that clear enough? :rolleyes:

[big dog cowboy]

The first defensive series of the year against the Chargers we will line up in a 4-3. Book it.

[Nors]

OK Nors... who sits in the 3-4... Ellis or Glover????

Answer the question Nors.

Quit avoiding me...

Depends if Canty is ready to play - They will rotate the front. Parcells already stated he wanted to sit Glover 20% of plays versus last year. The small smurf no pressure D is getting turned over.

Ellis has to compete and is at risk to be traded. We will still play some 4-3 as well.

Canty
Ferguson
Spears

James
Burnett
Dat
WARE

ROY!

[Nors]

We had a pathetic D last year.

We sign Ferguson, Draft Ware, Spears, Canty, Burnett up front. Cut Coakley loose. Thats a resounding endorsement to status quo.

Shattered and upgraded! No more catering to a small undersized front 7!
Why is anyone trying to defend a pathetic non effective front 7 from last years lame 4-3.....:lol:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nors already has a closet full of Pat's jerseys. He's a troll on this board I think. :D

Afternoon Mike. How do you like the draft thus far?

[MichaelWinicki]

Afternoon Mike. How do you like the draft thus far?


Afternoon ABQ...

Very good draft so far... what say you?

[Nors]

Sure is a GREAT draft!
Zimmers been putting a lot of time in this offseason preparing to change our defense.

YES!

As a Bill fan, its going to be a long season for your team. I hate the Pats. Get that correct.

[SuspectCorner]

i don't see this draft as necessarily endorsing either scheme.

if anything, it just bought us a whole lot of flexibility to run BOTH - and run them with a degree of proficiency.

the main factor, in my eyes, is that we will be bringing wave after wave of fresh DLs and LBs at enemy QBs. and from every possible angle.

if i'm donovan mcnabb... i'm no longer looking forward to my next go at Dallas. i'm breaking down as much film as humanly possible. what there is of it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Afternoon ABQ...

Very good draft so far... what say you?

Not my favorite players taken but over all, I really think the Cowboys did an excellent job. I really like very player they took. Don't love the trade of the 4th next year but I really liked Canty all along so I am happy to see him here with us. Can't wait for August to get here.

LOL!!

[Cbz40]

i don't see this draft as necessarily endorsing either scheme.

if anything, it just bought us a whole lot of flexibility to run BOTH - and run them with a degree of proficiency.

the main factor, in my eyes, is that we will be bringing wave after wave of fresh DLs and LBs at enemy QBs. and from every possible angle.

if i'm donovan mcnabb... i'm no longer looking forward to my next go at Dallas. i'm breaking down as much film as humanly possible. what there is of it.



:hammer:

[ABQCOWBOY]

We had a pathetic D last year.

We sign Ferguson, Draft Ware, Spears, Canty, Burnett up front. Cut Coakley loose. Thats a resounding endorsement to status quo.

Shattered and upgraded! No more catering to a small undersized front 7!
Why is anyone trying to defend a pathetic non effective front 7 from last years lame 4-3.....:lol:

People probably ask much the same of you Nors. You know that it's personel in any scheme yet you insist on linking the play of last year to the 43 scheme. Well, I suppose that's your choice but you and I both know that it's not nearly fair.

Hey, life aint fair. One question thou. It's a question I've asked you many times but have never gotten an answer, to my recollection. What was the last truely great 34 defense. Not good but one that can be considered amoungst the best the NFL has ever had?

[Rack Bauer]

Glover is a liability in the running game when he doesn't have a big body next to him. I think we go 4-3 in passing situations.


We won't be in a 4-3 or 3-4 in passing situations. We'll be in a nickel or dime defense.


Parcells has never seen glover at NT either.


Yes, he has. Glover played some NT last year, and he played well. He can't do it a whole game, but he can do it in spots. He did it in spots last year.


In a 3-4, the down lineman and more specifically the NT has almost have no chance of generating a pass rush.


That's why we got Ware. If the DL gets double teamed and we're in a 3-4 (pass plays) that will leave Ware unblocked or 1 on 1. Generating a pass rush from your front 3 in a 3-4 isn't THAT hard. Even one of the run stuffing DEs in Pittsburgh got 10 sacks a couple of years ago. If a run stuffer can get 10 sacks as a 3-4 DE, then Glover and Ellis should be able to get 7 each.

Plus, Glover will be more of a DE in a 3-4, not a NT. He'd only play NT part time.


Spears played 3-4 DE in College


LSU runs a 4-3. I remember reading an article about it when we drafted Brady James.


I look at it differently that him. I see Spears and Glover as the DT's with Ellis and Ware as the DE's. Same players yet he calls it a 3-4 and I call it a 4-3.


In passing situations I call it a "Nickel" or "Dime" defense. ;)





How come Parcells hasn't publically commited to the 3-4? Hmm?


Actually, he did. He said we'd play both.


I expect to see both fronts this year and the draft's versatility will allow the team to move between the two and leave the same people on the field.

Exactly.


2. We don't trade Glover or Ellis. Neither is an ideal fit for a 34.


Ideal? No. Can they do it though? Yes.


As an outside observer... it seems like people are looking through their agenda-colored glasses on both sides of this arguement.

Yep. No doubt.


IMHO, we are a much better 4-3/3-4 hybrid(i hate that word) team than we would be with going either way 100%

I'm pretty sure that's Parcells' plan. I don't think he ever intended on going to either front fulltime.

[Billy Bullocks]

Glover will play NT in passing downs in the 3-4, as well as still being utilized as a Tackle in the 4-3, and any other packages, such as nickel and dime packages with 4 down linemen. Parcells will find a way to get players out there in the situations where they can perform at their best. This allows us to throw out a boat load of fronts, personell packages, and keep key players fresh.

Just think about how sweet it is going to be, having Spears coming in there, wearing down a OT, then have him have to deal with a pass rusher like Ware. Offenses won't be able to look at one specific players tendencies when studying film, instead they will have to know a bunch of stuff. Anyone who's played football knows, if you only have 1 week to figure out what another player is going to do, how they will line up, all that, it's already hard enough. Now try figuring out what each player does in each scheme, and you've got the opposition doing way too much thinking instead of playing. this is gonna be great

[Rack Bauer]

Glover will play NT in passing downs in the 3-4,

No, he won't. We'll be in a nickel or dime defense in passing situations.

[Billy Bullocks]

What was the last truely great 34 defense. Not good but one that can be considered amoungst the best the NFL has ever had?

i know this isn't addressed to me, but I'll say this. It's worked for Parcells in the past, and as far as I know, teh Patriots won 2 super bowls with a predominantly 3-4 defense. Sure I'd love another Doomsday Defense, but I don't need it if we win SuperBowls. And to be fair to the 3-4, right now, some of the better defenses in the league are running them, NE, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,SD(more statistaclly good than really that amazing, so far). The only 4-3 that really comes to mind as a defense I wouldnt want to play against is Carolina.

[Billy Bullocks]

No, he won't. We'll be in a nickel or dime defense in passing situations.

True, but he will find some time if we are in our "base" D in a more pass obvious situation and play NT, IMO. But just read the next 6 words of what I said, and you can see that I totally agree with pretty much everything you are saying. Cuz everyone knows that on 3rd and 15 we arent lining up in a 3-4.

[ravidubey]

Nobody knows where anyone will play in each formation. That's what the offseason is for. One thing for sure, this draft will have transformed our defense.

I expect to see more and more of the 3-4. The beauty is we now have the personnel to play both defenses very well. Since the bulk of our 3-4 personnel are rookies, I'd expect we will stay 4-3 with Spears being rushed into the starting lineup as RDE and Ware being subbed in as OLB in passing situations much like Terrell Suggs was in Baltimore.

[blindzebra]

Parcells' PC today might mean otherwise.

Quotes like, "The media are making too much of it," "Nobody just runs 3-4," "We will be caring over some of what we did last year," and "I see Ware doing both, I just don't want him going against a tackle 70 plays a game."

[junk]

Nobody knows where anyone will play in each formation. That's what the offseason is for. One thing for sure, this draft will have transformed our defense.

I expect to see more and more of the 3-4. The beauty is we now have the personnel to play both defenses very well. Since the bulk of our 3-4 personnel are rookies, I'd expect we will stay 4-3 with Spears being rushed into the starting lineup as RDE and Ware being subbed in as OLB in passing situations much like Terrell Suggs was in Baltimore.

I agree. This is what I expect to happen. I also expect to see some defenses that will switch fronts on the field pre snap.

[Portland Fanatic]

Parcells' PC today might mean otherwise.

Quotes like, "The media are making too much of it," "Nobody just runs 3-4," "We will be caring over some of what we did last year," and "I see Ware doing both, I just don't want him going against a tackle 70 plays a game."


We will be doing both....at this point I don't care if it's 50% 4-3 and 50% 3-4 to be honest...the simple fact that we have playmakers is what I wanted in this draft...and I think we got them. BP will figure out which scheme and when...when to run 3-4 and when to run 4-3...will differ from game to game and from team to team...some teams may have issues more with one versus the other. I expect Ware to play OLB and RDE...different looks throught the game. I expect to see Burnett playing both SLB and OLB. Guess what? We have flexibility now...YEAH!

I think I'll back out of most of the 3-4 vs. 4-3 debates as they will become useless...why? We will be using both...period!

[blindzebra]

We will be doing both....at this point I don't care if it's 50% 4-3 and 50% 3-4 to be honest...the simple fact that we have playmakers is what I wanted in this draft...and I think we got them. BP will figure out which scheme and when...when to run 3-4 and when to run 4-3...will differ from game to game and from team to team...some teams may have issues more with one versus the other. I expect Ware to play OLB and RDE...different looks throught the game. I expect to see Burnett playing both SLB and OLB. Guess what? We have flexibility now...YEAH!

I think I'll back out of most of the 3-4 vs. 4-3 debates as they will become useless...why? We will be using both...period!

As you know my only problem with the 3-4 was the personnel and switching for the sake of change thus limiting two of our best players.

We have increased the talent level in the front 7 drastically and I can see players like Spears, Ware, Burnett and Canty playing well in either scheme.

That said, they are still rookies and I think we will put the best 11 players out there, in the scheme that they play best, for the majority of the time. So unless several of the rookies prove their worth early to warrant pushing Ellis, Glover and Singleton into secondary roles, no way I can see a switch to a majority of 3-4 snaps.

[Cowboys&Caps]

nobody is 100% correct here, its hard to say because we have so many parts now but we know that...
* Glover is a DT, but can play some nose, and a big end in a 3-4
* Furguson is solid run stopping NT an will prolly anchor our run defense
* Ellis is a capable DE in either front
* Spears will play DE and seemingly shouldn't be moved inside because PB has asked him to lose some weight
* Canty seems to be a good DE prospect
* Ware will play mostly a rush OLB, mixed w/ a little DE in a 4 man front
* DE backups Coleman, Ogbogu
* i think we are thinnest an DT, and Nose so i think a 3 man front for the majority sounds like a good way to keep a fresh NT between glover, and furgy

[Hollywood Henderson]

It is kind of funny to read these 4-3 guys still klinging on to that hope...But why?
As Nors mentions, with zimmy WUSS coaching it, we SUCK on D...

THATS why Parcells was just quoted as TELLING zimmy WUSS that he WOULD be spending the whole offseason learning the 3-4 and not to whine about it, just to do it!

The best part of the offseason is that its Parcells in charge now on D, no more clueless wonders to F-UP games...

[blindzebra]

It is kind of funny to read these 4-3 guys still klinging on to that hope...But why?
As Nors mentions, with zimmy WUSS coaching it, we SUCK on D...

THATS why Parcells was just quoted as TELLING zimmy WUSS that he WOULD be spending the whole offseason learning the 3-4 and not to whine about it, just to do it!

The best part of the offseason is that its Parcells in charge now on D, no more clueless wonders to F-UP games...

I know trying to use logic with you is pushing that boulder up the hill, but...

If Zimmer is so worthless, why has Parcells kept him not once, not twice, BUT THREE TIMES!

Your entire argument puts you in a catch-22, Zimmer is terrible yet a football genius like Parcells stays with him. He can't coach a 4-3, MUST LEARN the 3-4 for this sure thing of a switch, but Parcells keeps him as DC.:rolleyes:

[Zimmy Lives]

It is kind of funny to read these 4-3 guys still klinging on to that hope...But why?
As Nors mentions, with zimmy WUSS coaching it, we SUCK on D...

THATS why Parcells was just quoted as TELLING zimmy WUSS that he WOULD be spending the whole offseason learning the 3-4 and not to whine about it, just to do it!

The best part of the offseason is that its Parcells in charge now on D, no more clueless wonders to F-UP games...

I've only been posting on this board for a few weeks but from what I can tell, you are not a big fan of Zimmer. Maybe I should change my login name.

[blindzebra]

I've only been posting on this board for a few weeks but from what I can tell, you are not a big fan of Zimmer. Maybe I should change my login name.

Don't bother.

He has 1,860 posts and 1,859 are Zimmy WUSS posts. He's such a one-trick pony, he's on his 3rd pony.:D