Has Bill Parcells made it up to you?

[O Skuul]

Through the screams of Drew Hensen over Vinny Testaverde and Bill Parcells turning a deaf ear in favor of the 41 old, and then at the end of the season snapping up Drew Bledsoe at the first opportunity.

Through the outcries for Reshard Lee over the fading Eddie Goerge and Parcells sticking with the known quantity all season, and now stacking the backfield with youth and speed.

From the unwillingness to shake up the defense with some personnel moves and sticking with players with known limitations to now assembling an array of versitile almost positionally interchangable athletes through the draft.

From the miserly handling of free agency last year to the rapid and determined pick ups this year.


I still see some lack of attention at the wide reciever position, but overall things seem very good.



So here's the question:

Even though these free agent pick ups and young draft choices have not played one game for the cowboys yet, has Bill Parcells made it up to you this year and managed to restored or has given you confidence in him.

[Chief]

Good question, but what's funny about it is that Purcells could care a less what fans think.

Jerry cares, but Purcells doesn't.

I thought Purcells crashed and burned last year, beginning in free agency and continuing through the season.

Having said that, he doesn't have to make up anything for me, so to speak.

I'm glad, however, that he is coming hard this year and seems determined to recover from last year's fiasco.

[bobbie brewskie]

I thought Purcells crashed and burned last year, beginning in free agency and continuing through the season.

can you name 1 player from last years free agency that was worth the $ and that was good enough and young enough to work in our defense?

[MissionCoach]

can you name 1 player from last years free agency that was worth the $ and that was good enough and young enough to work in our defense?


Right on the money

[Hostile]

can you name 1 player from last years free agency that was worth the $ and that was good enough and young enough to work in our defense?Jevon Kearse

[Fernando Fernandez]

Through the screams of Drew Hensen over Vinny Testaverde and Bill Parcells turning a deaf ear in favor of the 41 old, and then at the end of the season snapping up Drew Bledsoe at the first opportunity.

Through the outcries for Reshard Lee over the fading Eddie Goerge and Parcells sticking with the known quantity all season, and now stacking the backfield with youth and speed.

From the unwillingness to shake up the defense with some personnel moves and sticking with players with known limitations to now assembling an array of versitile almost positionally interchangable athletes through the draft.

From the miserly handling of free agency last year to the rapid and determined pick ups this year.


I still see some lack of attention at the wide reciever position, but overall things seem very good.



So here's the question:

Even though these free agent pick ups and young draft choices have not played one game for the cowboys yet, has Bill Parcells made it up to you this year and managed to restored or has given you confidence in him.

I like most posters here am very impressed with this years draft and signees.

I got to admit I have NEVER been this anxious for a season to start as this one.

I just fear one thing....dare I say it?

I better not, I might jinx it!

It starts with the letter "i".:nolook:: :donthear: :nervous:

[Outlaw Heroes]

can you name 1 player from last years free agency that was worth the $ and that was good enough and young enough to work in our defense?

Antoine Winfield

[Sabu1]

Jevon Kearse

With his injury concerns? I think the organization was prudent last offseason. They didn't do anything to hurt the long term competitiveness of the franchise by overspending on injury concerns like Kearse/midgets like Antoine Winfield in hopes of winning it all, which was a long shot anyway. There was also the fact that there was no one on the roster approaching free agency who they felt worthy of extending their contracts. They had around 10 mil to play with last offseason, compared with around 20 mil this year. They had more leeway to be more aggressive this year while remaining fiscally responsible looking ahead cap wise into the future.

[dragon_mikal]

Bertrand Berry... :banghead:

[Everlastingxxx]

Parcells and Jerry have done a good job this offseason. But i am afraid that we are trying to do too much too fast. We spent a ton of money in free agency and didn't put enough into the offense. The second Eagle loss was because the offense couldn't do anything. 3 Points against the Bengals? 13 points against the worst defense in the league (Saints)? I hope this defense is what it has been hyped up to be because it may be all we have.

But Overall, i am happy with how everything has gone so far. I think we are moving in the right direction. So Parcells is back in my good graces...for now.

[Champsheart]

I never lost faith in Parcells. Did I agree or like everything he did, no. But in no way did I give up on him.

The NFL is a game and business that no one is perfect at. Things do not always work out the way you think they will, actually they rarely do.

All I know is I am still thrilled Parcells is our Coach, and would hate to think where we would be without him ever coming here.

And as I said many times after last year there is not one Coach I would rather have coming off a bad year, who is pissed, embarrased, and dedicated then Parcells.

I hope he extends his contract, and Coaches the Cowboys for another 5 years.

[DWAREZ]

Parcells and Jerry have done a good job this offseason. But i am afraid that we are trying to do too much too fast. We spent a ton of money in free agency and didn't put enough into the offense. The second Eagle loss was because the offense couldn't do anything. 3 Points against the Bengals? 13 points against the worst defense in the league (Saints)? I hope this defense is what it has been hyped up to be because it may be all we have.

But Overall, i am happy with how everything has gone so far. I think we are moving in the right direction. So Parcells is back in my good graces...for now.

The defense gave up 31 passing touchdowns and was horrid all season long so it rightfully took precedence in FA and the draft and will assist the offense substantially this upcoming season.

We upgraded at QB and ROG and these moves alone will improve the line and leadership/ability on the offense. Bledsoe, although not a Payton Manning, with a solid line and running game will provide a sound pass attack under BPs guidence. Further, the stable of running backs and more experienced JJ and Witten will provide two weapons that Bledsoe can draw upon under pressure.

In addition, a healthy Glenn, Keyshawn and Morgan could be the difference with the other additions in FA and obviously next years draft we will probably anticipate the WR turnover and draft some young playmakers.

You cannot do everything in one season especially given our the great needs on our squad. The rookie Pettiti seems to have upside and could be a steal for RT but we will have to wait and see in camp. Plus, Rogers and Peterman getting healthy and playing time will allow us to truly see what we may have in these two players. So if young WRs is the only complaint this offseason then I will take it...no problemo..IMO :)

[dargonking999]

nope, when we have another winning season, an make inot the playoffs then he will makeit up to me. We did a great job, but i'm waiting onresults, before i say he's made anything up

[followthestar]

correy dillon

[Billy Bullocks]

never lost faith in him, at all. sometimes i questioned what he was doing, but never lost faith. Technically, he still hasn't done anything yet, except that 10-6 season, so it does carry some validity if fans are saying they havent lost confidence in him. We'll see after this season what tune most fans are singing.

[Hostile]

With his injury concerns? I think the organization was prudent last offseason. They didn't do anything to hurt the long term competitiveness of the franchise by overspending on injury concerns like Kearse/midgets like Antoine Winfield in hopes of winning it all, which was a long shot anyway. There was also the fact that there was no one on the roster approaching free agency who they felt worthy of extending their contracts. They had around 10 mil to play with last offseason, compared with around 20 mil this year. They had more leeway to be more aggressive this year while remaining fiscally responsible looking ahead cap wise into the future.There's always an imaginary caveat that removes all blame. Oh well...

[ghst187]

I was pretty worried after last year's offseason (or lack thereof) by signing only VT, EG, and MW, all of which were obviously well past their prime and only going to give us one or two good years at best, actually none gave us anything except to steal a roster spot and some of Jerruh's money.
Winfield and Berry were two FA's that we could've, probably should've signed last year instead of Wiley.
I was upset at the draft last year, I did want Kevin Jones and I'll admit that. I still think he's more talented but looking at it in hindsight, I would prefer JJ and Spears to KJ and no Spears. I was very disappointed with every other draft pick (both the fact that we picked them and their lack of production) except for Crayton.
I don't think I'll ever understand BP's decisions to not give Henson a few more snaps and continually playing EG over R Lee. I still don't think that made much sense. It was obvious to the world that there were situations where Henson could've gotten some snaps when the game was already out of hand and it was obvious to the world that EG had lost any shred of ability that he once had while Lee showed some flashes and SPEED.
Overall, I would have to say that YES BP has restored some confidence with a huge offseason. Of course, I'm arrogant enough to say that if he'd done what I thought he should've done last offseason, we might not been in quite the hole we were this past season. I think it has all worked out for us in the end, at least to this point.
I haven't been this excited for a season to start since...the 90s.

[Hostile]

I was pretty worried after last year's offseason (or lack thereof) by signing only VT, EG, and MW, all of which were obviously well past their prime and only going to give us one or two good years at best, actually none gave us anything except to steal a roster spot and some of Jerruh's money.
Winfield and Berry were two FA's that we could've, probably should've signed last year instead of Wiley.
I was upset at the draft last year, I did want Kevin Jones and I'll admit that. I still think he's more talented but looking at it in hindsight, I would prefer JJ and Spears to KJ and no Spears. I was very disappointed with every other draft pick (both the fact that we picked them and their lack of production) except for Crayton.
I don't think I'll ever understand BP's decisions to not give Henson a few more snaps and continually playing EG over R Lee. I still don't think that made much sense. It was obvious to the world that there were situations where Henson could've gotten some snaps when the game was already out of hand and it was obvious to the world that EG had lost any shred of ability that he once had while Lee showed some flashes and SPEED.
Overall, I would have to say that YES BP has restored some confidence with a huge offseason. Of course, I'm arrogant enough to say that if he'd done what I thought he should've done last offseason, we might not been in quite the hole we were this past season. I think it has all worked out for us in the end, at least to this point.
I haven't been this excited for a season to start since...the 90s.I totally agree. Nice post.

[big dog cowboy]

I still see some lack of attention at the wide reciever position, but overall things seem very good.
Exactly what were you looking for here? BP and JJ have each said they are satisified with what we had going into next year. I mean, WR wasn't even on our radar this offseason.

[morasp]

Jevon Kearse

Ellis and Ekuban had more sacks and pressures than Kearse

[Hostile]

Ellis and Ekuban had more sacks and pressures than KearseKearse had more than Wiley.

I'd take Kearse over George, Wiley and VT put together.

[Chief]

It's been pretty clear that the Dallas front office vowed to be more aggressive and proactive in free agency this year as compared to last year. Stephen Jones said they misjudged the free agent market, especially the cornerbacks.

With Parcells promising to not make the same mistake again, I think it's fair for me/us to criticize their free agent slumber in 2004.

Believe it or not, people make mistakes ... even the Dallas Cowboys. It's OK to criticize. It's not OK to go 6-10 with Bill Parcells as head coach. It's not good enough for Parcells, and it shouldn't be good enough for the fans.

[baj1dallas]

I don't give BP any credit for the offseason. I give all the credit to Jerrah, and I give credit to Jerrah for not signing somebody BP didn't want. Berry, Kearse, and Winfield were all good possibilities last year, but BP told Jerrah he didn't want any big signings.

I'll give BP all the credit in the world when the Cowboys play a good fundamentally sound game the way they're capable of. That's his job after all, isn't it now? That and to teach them how to win, of course.

[Sabu1]

Believe it or not, people make mistakes ... even the Dallas Cowboys. It's OK to criticize. It's not OK to go 6-10 with Bill Parcells as head coach. It's not good enough for Parcells, and it shouldn't be good enough for the fans.

Sure people make mistakes....and Jerry Jones made plenty of them between 1994 on up through the end of the 2002 season. If you wanna see the true underlying factor for why 2004 was such a poor season, look at the draft results from those nine years. Those classes should make up the core talent of this franchise and there is hardly anything left from them. Combine that with the key injuries that occured and a tougher schedule and you get 6-10. This franchise was a laughingstock before Parcells arrived. 2003 was a great surprise to everyone but most everyone knew that season was built on a house of cards that could fall apart at anytime. Of course Parcells isn't perfect, but he had a plan all along to slowly construct a franchise with a solid foundation. Hopefully, we the fans are reasonably close to seeing some tangible results of this plan.

[LaTunaNostra]

There were only two things I held against Bill last year.

Not making a more serious play for Bertrand Berry, and cutting Carter first week of August (I kinda knew what Vinnie was about :)).

The "he can't be trusted" spiel of JJ and Bill totally vindicated them - look what happened to the Jets when in the playoffs Q was nowhere to be found. Geez, could Jerry and Bill have been more prescient? They were SO right.

The passing on Berry (and the faith in Wiley), plus this offseason, the non-pursuance of John Abraham (who imo could have been pried loose from NY), can be compensated for by this year's draft picks...we shall see, (and I don't unrealistically expect Ware to make the Pro Bowl as rookie, either). Anyway, pass rush took the priority this offseason - at least they ain't making the same mistake twice.

The rest of last offseason, I think B and J have taken too much flack for. Eddie George was a Jones move and if Julius hadn't been injured, might have been allowed to contribute in a more reasonable fashion, like on goal line, third and two. Rashard Lees are a dime a dozen...and I don't hold against the FO they failed to add to that LUDICROUS overpayment of corners last year that made the likes of Bobby Taylor rich once more. They all got too much, from Bailey, and Winfield on down. Also don't regret Mario Edwards being allowed to leave. Did he earn that big contract in Tampa?

I do however, feel deeply for poor T-New, and what he was put thru last season. :)

That's someone Tuna's got to "make it up to", (not me): a young player not only not put into Parcells' ballyhooed "position to win", but put into a position to lose, and look bad doing it.

[Maikeru-sama]

Bill Parcells has exceeded expectations for me in all areas besides:

The Quarterback Question

On the field Success: Right now he is 50/50

2003
Newman
Johnson
Witten
James

2004
Jones
Peterman

Even the lower picks such as Crayton, Thornton, Jones, and Reeves saw action last year.

2005
All indications point to another successful draft.

As I said, Parcells will probably walk away from this deal just as clean and respected when he came in. The only knock I think he will have is that he didnt settle the Quarterback position.

He has lit a fire under the scouting the department, put fear in the locker room, raised the level of talent on the field, humbled Jerry Jones and probably alot more things.

I give him a B right now.

- Mike G.

[Billy Bullocks]

well with a 16-16 record so far, he's broken even.

Critisize last years offseason all you want, but I was one of the people who was happy we didn't bring in Vincent, Taylor, or an overrated, overpayed Springs. This team probably could have been 8-8 last year without the crippling injuries. 8-8 isn't tht great, but that was probably where we have been at the last 2 years, so i guess it was 10-6 and 6-10 instead of 8-8 and 8-8.

Parcells got alot out of an average team, but obviously was still piecing together his core of players. If you assume that this draft is going to turn out to be as good as we all think and hope it will, Parcells, in his 3 drafts so far, will have added more players that are contributers to the team than Jerry added over years after Johnson left.

One reason you cannot critisize BP is that looking at this team, from QB, RB, all the way to Punter, he has improved it since he got here. He has started to build depth at positions, something we failed to do. For example, CB, last year was a complete mess, but 1 offseason and all of a sudden it is one of the deepest positions on the team. Parcells usually doesn't get the team really good until year 3 or 4, after he has brought in key vets, and alot of the players he has drafted have developed into legite starters. We've reached the point where we have alot of good young players, Witten, Jones, Newman, Johnson, etc. and with the vets, and rookies expected to contribute, this will lead to more success on the field.

Overall though, until BP gets this team to perform on the field, and in Dallas that means SuperBowl, he won't get his due credit. I think after year 1 of BP, alot of people were expecting 12 wins last year, but we all failed to realize how many weaknesses this team still had to fix.

[NMfan]

Ellis and Ekuban had more sacks and pressures than Kearse

Amen to that. :)

Wise choice to pass on him

[kartr]

No, he hasn't restored my faith. He's a great football coach, but a lousy personnel guy. I still hold Bert Berry against him as well as Chike Okeafor,
Kevin Williams, letting go of Ekuban, a 1st rounder who 8 sacks after he was
released,not drafting Rashean Mathis instead of Newman, not drafting Chris Brown in the 3rd round and taking a very good tight end in Witten, when we
needed a running back to push Hambrick and we already had 3 tight ends.

In 2003, Chike Okeafor to push Ekuban,Kevin Williams in the 1st to get a
pass rush, Adalius Thomas, who was restricted free agent lb/de(3-4) and just
a 6th round draft pick(we got Kenyon Coleman for a 6th instead), plus Rashean
Mathis in the 2nd and Chris Brown in the 3rd and Quentin Griffin in the 4th as
our 3rd down back. These moves would have improved our pass rush and given
us quality big corner and bolstered our running game. These players are now
starring for other teams, while we're hoping these new moves will work out.

Rob Pettitti(see the Jacob Rogers mistake all over again--drafting a LT to play RT when their are quality RT's such as Ray Willis and Jeremy Parquet who
are character guys who they've passed over). Drafting Demarcus Ware, who
is quality player with huge question marks(where will he play?),
Marcus Spears who is great run-stopper, but a so-so pass rusher who needs
to be pushed;in the first round;Kevin Burnett, good player, but is a liability
in coverage). What happened to Eric Green, CB out of Va. Tech? He has first
round talent; helped Va. Tech to almost upset USC by smothering their receivers or Courtney Roby,WR out of U. of Indiana;he's Mark Clayton with
sprinters' speed, goes over the middle, can catch and run good routes;both of
these guys were available in the 2nd round and we take OLB who can't cover
instead; 80-85% of the players in my Cowboys' mock draft have been successfull. I just don't understand their thinking. We had a great draft in
terms of converting to the 3-4, but not in building a total team, eliminating
the glaring weaknesses and bolstering the starters on the 2nd day. I do like
Marion Barber, but we could have gotten a lesser back who could have been
productive and better receiver and corner options.
But maybe you guys like
our chances against Jerry Porter,Randy Moss,Ronald Curry,Plaxigo Burress,
Amani Toomer,Terrell Owens,Santana Moss,Larry Fitzgerald,Anquan Boldin,
Steve Smith,Mike Williams,Roy Williams,etc. I don't. I don't think our corners
are good enough to stop them and I don't think Bledsoe has shown of late
that he is more than pedestrian and our receivers don't scare anybody
anyway.

[LaTunaNostra]

No, he hasn't restored my faith. He's a great football coach, but a lousy personnel guy. I still hold Bert Berry against him as well as Chike Okeafor,
Kevin Williams, letting go of Ekuban, a 1st rounder who 8 sacks after he was
released,not drafting Rashean Mathis instead of Newman, not drafting Chris Brown in the 3rd round and taking a very good tight end in Witten, when we
needed a running back to push Hambrick and we already had 3 tight ends.

In 2003, Chike Okeafor to push Ekuban,Kevin Williams in the 1st to get a
pass rush, Adalius Thomas, who was restricted free agent lb/de(3-4) and just
a 6th round draft pick(we got Kenyon Coleman for a 6th instead), plus Rashean
Mathis in the 2nd and Chris Brown in the 3rd and Quentin Griffin in the 4th as
our 3rd down back. These moves would have improved our pass rush and given
us quality big corner and bolstered our running game. These players are now
starring for other teams, while we're hoping these new moves will work out.

Rob Pettitti(see the Jacob Rogers mistake all over again--drafting a LT to play RT when their are quality RT's such as Ray Willis and Jeremy Parquet who
are character guys who they've passed over). Drafting Demarcus Ware, who
is quality player with huge question marks(where will he play?),
Marcus Spears who is great run-stopper, but a so-so pass rusher who needs
to be pushed;in the first round;Kevin Burnett, good player, but is a liability
in coverage). What happened to Eric Green, CB out of Va. Tech? He has first
round talent; helped Va. Tech to almost upset USC by smothering their receivers or Courtney Roby,WR out of U. of Indiana;he's Mark Clayton with
sprinters' speed, goes over the middle, can catch and run good routes;both of
these guys were available in the 2nd round and we take OLB who can't cover
instead; 80-85% of the players in my Cowboys' mock draft have been successfull. I just don't understand their thinking. We had a great draft in
terms of converting to the 3-4, but not in building a total team, eliminating
the glaring weaknesses and bolstering the starters on the 2nd day. I do like
Marion Barber, but we could have gotten a lesser back who could have been
productive and better receiver and corner options.
But maybe you guys like
our chances against Jerry Porter,Randy Moss,Ronald Curry,Plaxigo Burress,
Amani Toomer,Terrell Owens,Santana Moss,Larry Fitzgerald,Anquan Boldin,
Steve Smith,Mike Williams,Roy Williams,etc. I don't. I don't think our corners
are good enough to stop them and I don't think Bledsoe has shown of late
that he is more than pedestrian and our receivers don't scare anybody
anyway.

Is that all?

Don't forget he also passed on Leftwich (or if you prefer, Suggs), let the Panthers sign both Delhomme and Stephen Davis. Was unable to harness the ferocious untamed talent of Derek Ross and his buddy AB, and forced ZimmyWuss to muck around with Pete Hunter.

And there's much more...from moving camp to Oxnard CA to bringing down the Iron Curtain to offing Coach Joe and Larry Lacewell. Let's not even go anywhere near #22.

This guy better bring in at least three rings to just pull even.

[MissionCoach]

Jevon Kearse

JMO, but I don't think Kearse was worth the 66 million dollar contract that he signed, plus 16 mil signing bonus (Plus additional roster bonuses of $2 million each in the first two seasons)...especially for the 7.5 sacks he registered last year, and I'm very glad we did not sign him.

[MissionCoach]

correy dillon

While I believe that Dillon was an excellent signing for the patsies, probably the final piece of the puzzle for their SB run....I don't think that signing a 30 year old RB would have been in the Cowboys best interests. Dillon is on the down side of his career, while JJ seems to be our franchise back for years to come.

[MissionCoach]

Antoine Winfield

Don't see much of an upgrade in Winfield over Henry. Last season Winfield had 3 INT's, 70 Tackles, and 15 Assists, while Henry had 4 INT's, 67 Tackles, and 9 Assists. Personally I prefer Henry at 6'1 with a 5 year, 25 mil contract over Winfield at 5'9 and a 6 year 34.8 million dollar contract.

[Hostile]

Don't see much of an upgrade in Winfield over Henry. Last season Winfield had 3 INT's, 70 Tackles, and 15 Assists, while Henry had 4 INT's, 67 Tackles, and 9 Assists. Personally I prefer Henry at 6'1 with a 5 year, 25 mil contract over Winfield at 5'9 and a 6 year 34.8 million dollar contract.Let me ask you a serious question.

Kearse, Winfield, Dillon, et al. None of those was a mistake in your opinion to pass on.

Why then did we finish 6-10? All these great personnel moves should have paid off.

[baj1dallas]

Let me ask you a serious question.

Kearse, Winfield, Dillon, et al. None of those was a mistake in your opinion to pass on.

Why then did we finish 6-10? All these great personnel moves should have paid off.


<jedi>Last year didn't happen</jedi>

[MissionCoach]

Let me ask you a serious question.

Kearse, Winfield, Dillon, et al. None of those was a mistake in your opinion to pass on.

Why then did we finish 6-10? All these great personnel moves should have paid off.

Honestly I did not think Kearse was worth the money...sure he's an upgrade over Wiley, but who isn't?

Why sign Dillon when we were looking for our future franchise back.

Winfield would have been a good signing, in retrospect, I believe that is the one FA that BP regretted letting get away. Fortunately that one was rectified this year.

[Dave_in-NC]

There were only two things I held against Bill last year.

Not making a more serious play for Bertrand Berry, and cutting Carter first week of August (I kinda knew what Vinnie was about :)).

The "he can't be trusted" spiel of JJ and Bill totally vindicated them - look what happened to the Jets when in the playoffs Q was nowhere to be found. Geez, could Jerry and Bill have been more prescient? They were SO right.

The passing on Berry (and the faith in Wiley), plus this offseason, the non-pursuance of John Abraham (who imo could have been pried loose from NY), can be compensated for by this year's draft picks...we shall see, (and I don't unrealistically expect Ware to make the Pro Bowl as rookie, either). Anyway, pass rush took the priority this offseason - at least they ain't making the same mistake twice.

The rest of last offseason, I think B and J have taken too much flack for. Eddie George was a Jones move and if Julius hadn't been injured, might have been allowed to contribute in a more reasonable fashion, like on goal line, third and two. Rashard Lees are a dime a dozen...and I don't hold against the FO they failed to add to that LUDICROUS overpayment of corners last year that made the likes of Bobby Taylor rich once more. They all got too much, from Bailey, and Winfield on down. Also don't regret Mario Edwards being allowed to leave. Did he earn that big contract in Tampa?

I do however, feel deeply for poor T-New, and what he was put thru last season. :)

That's someone Tuna's got to "make it up to", (not me): a young player not only not put into Parcells' ballyhooed "position to win", but put into a position to lose, and look bad doing it.

Very well said. I also think Newman is a far better player than he was able to show last season. I dont think he was hurt by last season. If any thing he was forced to grow up quicker. He showed he can handel it. That will be a huge help for him this season.

[LaTunaNostra]

Winfield would have been a good signing, in retrospect, I believe that is the one FA that BP regretted letting get away. Fortunately that one was rectified this year.

In retrospect, not bringing in a good corner was as bad a decision as was made in offseason 04.

But there were some extenutating circumstances...

the tighter contact rules enforcement that suggested the days of the "shut down corner" might be over. I don't blame any FO for wanting to see how that one was gonna play out before signing a star/stud at the league's most expensive position..

...the obscene money corners were getting last year..didn't Mario get a 18 million dollar contract over three years? ( memory may be mistaken, but it was in that neighborhood)

..with a still healthy altho aging near perrenial pro bowler in Woody, a top pick super star in Roy, and a first round rookie in T-New, a lot of money was already tied up (and would be for years in T's and R's cases) in the secondary. The fourth starter in the secondary ideally would be a coached up, home grown, more affordable complement to Newman. It was Bill who maintained Pete Hunter would be the "Marcus Coleman" to T-New's more talented Aaron Glenn. I also think Winfield's size and age were factors in not wanting to pay him what the Vikes did.

...Mitchell...he was to be the safety valve for a young secondary. He got hurt too soon in 03 for their to be a good sense what he actually had left. Which was zilch. On PAPER, it didn't look too bad. In fact, Bill said as late as late summer he thought he was in better condition secondary wise in August 04 than he had been in summer 03. Then the injuries struck...and of course, once it became clear how serious Darren's condition was....

..and of course, it was expected that less blitzing would be needed with Wiley providing an honest edge rush. Less pressure on the corners, less getting left on an island. The interior line was supposed to provide more push as well..any line with a Glover, Ellis, and Wiley figured to be competitive. Sigh.

Even with the injuries, if Dat Dud hadn't sucked so bad, it could have worked.

[JackMagist]

No Parcells has not made it up to me.

Parcells will not be forgiven for his arrogance and ineffectivness until he wins a Superbowl. Nothing else will redeme nim in my eyes and that will only make me overlook his arrogant and overbearing attitude not embrace him.

[WoodysGirl]

Is that all?

Don't forget he also passed on Leftwich (or if you prefer, Suggs), let the Panthers sign both Delhomme and Stephen Davis. Was unable to harness the ferocious untamed talent of Derek Ross and his buddy AB, and forced ZimmyWuss to muck around with Pete Hunter.

And there's much more...from moving camp to Oxnard CA to bringing down the Iron Curtain to offing Coach Joe and Larry Lacewell. Let's not even go anywhere near #22.

This guy better bring in at least three rings to just pull even. :laugh2:

Latuna, I was reading one of his other posts, he's dubbed himself a "Dark Sider" Guys who like to present the "realistic" side of the 'boys and their progress.

Oh and he also said the Redskins has a chance to get to the SB...:rolleyes:

[jimmy40]

Through the screams of Drew Hensen over Vinny Testaverde and Bill Parcells turning a deaf ear in favor of the 41 old, and then at the end of the season snapping up Drew Bledsoe at the first opportunity.

Through the outcries for Reshard Lee over the fading Eddie Goerge and Parcells sticking with the known quantity all season, and now stacking the backfield with youth and speed.

From the unwillingness to shake up the defense with some personnel moves and sticking with players with known limitations to now assembling an array of versitile almost positionally interchangable athletes through the draft.

From the miserly handling of free agency last year to the rapid and determined pick ups this year.


I still see some lack of attention at the wide reciever position, but overall things seem very good.



So here's the question:

Even though these free agent pick ups and young draft choices have not played one game for the cowboys yet, has Bill Parcells made it up to you this year and managed to restored or has given you confidence in him.He will always be the fat bastid coach of the Giants till he wins a Super Bowl somewhere else, hopefully here.

[big dog cowboy]

So here's the question:

Even though these free agent pick ups and young draft choices have not played one game for the cowboys yet, has Bill Parcells made it up to you this year and managed to restored or has given you confidence in him.
Not yet. Ask the same question next May and I will probably have a different answer.

[bobbie brewskie]

Let me ask you a serious question.

Kearse, Winfield, Dillon, et al. None of those was a mistake in your opinion to pass on.

Why then did we finish 6-10? All these great personnel moves should have paid off.

kearse - injury prone, some1 said our DE had more pressures/sacks, 66 mill 16 mill sign bonus thats a lot of money for some1 who is equally good to our DE.

dillon - Julius Jones is the answer . . .

winfield - we didnt know pete hunter would get injured, im sorry bill parcells cant see the future buddy. none of the CB were worth it because like i said before: to much $, to old, dont fit the D. but i will say he woulda been the 1 corner i woulda liked to see in dallas.

and for VT - not the best QB but would you want to be stuck with a guy whos never played in a NFL game in his life (henson)? i dont think so.

[Hostile]

kearse - injury prone, some1 said our DE had more pressures/sacks, 66 mill 16 mill sign bonus thats a lot of money for some1 who is equally good to our DE.

dillon - Julius Jones is the answer . . .

winfield - we didnt know pete hunter would get injured, im sorry bill parcells cant see the future buddy. none of the CB were worth it because like i said before: to much $, to old, dont fit the D. but i will say he woulda been the 1 corner i woulda liked to see in dallas.

and for VT - not the best QB but would you want to be stuck with a guy whos never played in a NFL game in his life (henson)? i dont think so.You avoided the question and just gave me a synopsis of the moves we did make.

[bobbie brewskie]

You avoided the question and just gave me a synopsis of the moves we did make.

haha wasnt tryin to avoid it.

we should never have finished 10-6 in the first place. our schedule got much harder the 6-10 year than the 10-6 year.
heres my reasons for the big slip:
1. harder schedule
2. tons of injuries
3. we should never have even been 10-6 in the first place (BIGGEST REASON)

[dargonking999]

haha wasnt tryin to avoid it.

we should never have finished 10-6 in the first place. our schedule got much harder the 6-10 year than the 10-6 year.
heres my reasons for the big slip:
1. harder schedule
2. tons of injuries
3. we should never have even been 10-6 in the first place (BIGGEST REASON)


oh we shoulda been 10-6 but the differnce last year, we had alot of bad luck, with JJ in for the first 8 games, with cambell still here, and glenn the whole season, who knows what our record would have been. TRuth be told we won those games in 2003, so therefore we shoulda been 10-6

[DWAREZ]

No Parcells has not made it up to me.

Parcells will not be forgiven for his arrogance and ineffectivness until he wins a Superbowl. Nothing else will redeme nim in my eyes and that will only make me overlook his arrogant and overbearing attitude not embrace him.

Two arrogant people :)

[DWAREZ]

oh we shoulda been 10-6 but the differnce last year, we had alot of bad luck, with JJ in for the first 8 games, with cambell still here, and glenn the whole season, who knows what our record would have been. TRuth be told we won those games in 2003, so therefore we shoulda been 10-6

Could be..:)

[Parcells]

never lost faith in him, at all. sometimes i questioned what he was doing, but never lost faith. Technically, he still hasn't done anything yet, except that 10-6 season, so it does carry some validity if fans are saying they havent lost confidence in him. We'll see after this season what tune most fans are singing.


He never Lost mine for a split second.. and im still watching him build our team back to the form we belong too.. SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!! you pretty cool Billy.. Some knuckleheads around here dont respect him..

:skins:

[M'Kevon]

Let me ask you a serious question.

Kearse, Winfield, Dillon, et al. None of those was a mistake in your opinion to pass on.

Why then did we finish 6-10? All these great personnel moves should have paid off.

1) JJones got hurt, resulting in Eddie George, brought in to be a backup, to start.
2) PHunter got hurt, leading to a ever revolving set of guys at the corner.
3) Darren Woodson got hurt, leading Roy Williams to play out of postion at FS. With Williams out of position and the revolving door at CB, the secondary is royally screwed.
3) QCarter lost his mind and got cut, resulting in VT, who was meant to be a backup, to play the entire year.
4) Wiley was a bad pickup.

So, for the bulk of the season, we had the backup QB, backup RB starting, the pro-bowl SS was playing FS, and scrubs starting at the one safety and CB position. 6-10 sounds about right.

Also, be reasonable. Berry was a genuine FU, but nobody knew he'd have the year he did. Dillion wasn't on the radar because Jones was drafted. We either sign Kearse or Winfield - not both; and if we sign Berry, they why Kearse?

In reality, Parcells and Jones failed to see the potential in Berry, imagined the potential in Wiley, Dillion wasn't a consideration, Winfield and Kearse were overpaid to the point where we could only sign one of them. So you tell me how Berry/Kearse or Winfield, makes up for the injuries from last year?

[O Skuul]

1) JJones got hurt, resulting in Eddie George, brought in to be a backup, to start.
2) PHunter got hurt, leading to a ever revolving set of guys at the corner.
3) Darren Woodson got hurt, leading Roy Williams to play out of postion at FS. With Williams out of position and the revolving door at CB, the secondary is royally screwed.
3) QCarter lost his mind and got cut, resulting in VT, who was meant to be a backup, to play the entire year.
4) Wiley was a bad pickup.

So, for the bulk of the season, we had the backup QB, backup RB starting, the pro-bowl SS was playing FS, and scrubs starting at the one safety and CB position. 6-10 sounds about right.

Also, be reasonable. Berry was a genuine FU, but nobody knew he'd have the year he did. Dillion wasn't on the radar because Jones was drafted. We either sign Kearse or Winfield - not both; and if we sign Berry, they why Kearse?

In reality, Parcells and Jones failed to see the potential in Berry, imagined the potential in Wiley, Dillion wasn't a consideration, Winfield and Kearse were overpaid to the point where we could only sign one of them. So you tell me how Berry/Kearse or Winfield, makes up for the injuries from last year?

Hmmm... I am having trouble shooting holes in your assessment... I think I must agree here.

[kartr]

Is that all?

Don't forget he also passed on Leftwich (or if you prefer, Suggs), let the Panthers sign both Delhomme and Stephen Davis. Was unable to harness the ferocious untamed talent of Derek Ross and his buddy AB, and forced ZimmyWuss to muck around with Pete Hunter.

And there's much more...from moving camp to Oxnard CA to bringing down the Iron Curtain to offing Coach Joe and Larry Lacewell. Let's not even go anywhere near #22.

This guy better bring in at least three rings to just pull even.

My point simply was, he made too many obvious mistakes for a hall of fame coach. We didn't need Leftwich at #6 anyway, we needed a pass rusher, Kevin Williams to take the pressure off Ekuban and to find out what he really had by putting a competent player next to him. If he didn't improve, then we'd know for sure he didn't have it and we could move. The end result is
we dismissed a number one draft pick without properly assessing what he could and could not do, so we lost his 8 sacks in 2004 and gained Wiley's 3.
That's not very efficient. Delhomme, please, no one could have guessed that
an udfa journey-man would hit,but was his success the result of his talent, or
the fact that he had a solid o-line, solid running backs(not Hambrick) and receivers who know how to run routes, catch the football, and then run in the open field, instead of out of bounds to avoid a hit.

John Clayton published a article recently that shows that DE,LT,QB,WR,RB,CB are the positions that should be taken on day one of draft. In 3 years,Parcells has taken a center, a tight end, a linebacker, a guard, a LT to play rt? With those 5 picks, we could have gotten a impact
WR,QB in 2005,Kevin Williams and Rashean Mathis in 2003, Shawntea Spencer
in 2004 and Chris Brown, rb in 2003 in round three and kept James Whalen at
tight end, whom the Eagles have signed to a 2 year deal. Can you honestly tell we would not have been a better team if I had been buying these groceries.
Look at Chike Okeafor's numbers for the last four years and Adalius Thomas' numbers. Theirs have steadily increased, while Wiley's have gone down. These were indicators that these were players on the rise. What indicator was their to look at to tell if Delhomme was going to be successful? In New Orleans, Glover had 50 sacks in 5 years, so I looked at who he was playing next to, it was a man-beast name Norman Hand who drew double-teams to keep people off of Glover so he could make plays. Glover has begged for help every since he first came to Dallas and he was ignored. He said, 'I can't do it by myself'.
I do a thorough analysis of the teams on our schedule and who's on their team, checking out the match-ups, measuring the strengths and weaknesses of our team and I've found out that there are too many weaknesses at the top of the totem, with regard to judgement.

[bobbie brewskie]

oh we shoulda been 10-6 but the differnce last year, we had alot of bad luck, with JJ in for the first 8 games, with cambell still here, and glenn the whole season, who knows what our record would have been. TRuth be told we won those games in 2003, so therefore we shoulda been 10-6

sorry i meant in 2003 we shouldnt have been 10-6.
last year of course 10-6 shoulda happened we had some bad losses (saints for instance)