Which FS would you prefer?

[Qwickdraw]

If both were in our radar...

Keep in mind that Chavous may come cheaper than Barber.

[Crown Royal]

Ronde Barber wouldn't make a good FS, IMO. Face it people. CBs and FSs are NOT interchangable. Quit trying to convert every last one.

[Qwickdraw]

I agree with you CR. I never consider the option. But since I read another thread where someone mentioned it, I figured I'd ask.

Honestly, I forgot that Barber was a CB. The other thread threw me off. So nevermind this question.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didnt vote because Barber plays CB and is 5-10 185 pounds.

He is not and cannot play safety.

[Crown Royal]

I didnt vote because Barber plays CB and is 5-10 185 pounds.

He is not and cannot play safety.

Very much agreed. And not necessarily just his physique (though it does contribute). He just doesn't have a FS mentality. CBs and FSs have different skill sets. Sure, they share some attributes, but they play different games.

For instance, a CB has a better backpedal and hip movement, more fluidity, etc. He is used to starting at the line and having either a man to play or a small zone.

A FS, on the other hand, plays with more field than anyone on defense. He is watching everything, plays with a huge zone when in zone coverage, and has a much larger cushion in man-man coverage, which he seldom should be asked to do (in a perfect world ;-). He also has a bit more of a mean streak, and good tackling ability. This guy is your last line of defense - he had better be a good tackler.

Now I am a Keith Davis homer, and he is only about 10-12 lbs heavier than Rhonde. But he is built with more stockiness and his tackling ability is far from suspect. However, he also has, I think, the coverage skills to rome the defensive backfield and good instinct. I don't know that Rhonde can do this (in fact, I am fairly certain that would be contrary to his game).

[Billy Bullocks]

FS required more overall knowledge of the game, CB requires more atheltic ability. FS needs to have a better football sense, and this can overcome a lack of physical attributes, while you wont find alot of slow corners who see the field well. At CB, you gotta be able to move, period, safeties can get away with it. Then again, a safety can't get away with being incompetent, a CB can shut a guy down without knowing too much about what's going on.

[HardHittin'Witten]

Chavous...and it even isn't close when it comes to playing FS. Since we passed on Hall, keep Shulters in mind, he could be our FS after June 1.

[InmanRoshi]

Lance Shulters.

Barber is not a FS, and Corey Chavous is ungodly overrated by most on this board. Corey Chavous is not being released reluctantly due to cap reason, he's being released because he sucked so bad last year the Vikings had to go out and shell out big dollars for an upgrade. If Corey Chavous were any good the Vikings would not have paid a 29 year old, couple of steps slower than his prime Darren Sharper a $6 million dollar bonus.

[SuspectCorner]

Lance Shulters.

Barber is not a FS, and Corey Chavous is ungodly overrated by most on this board. Corey Chavous is not being released reluctantly due to cap reason, he's being released because he sucked so bad last year the Vikings had to go out and shell out big dollars for an upgrade. If Corey Chavous were any good the Vikings would not have paid a 29 year old, couple of steps slower than his prime Darren Sharper a $6 million dollar bonus.
80 tackles, 1 INT and 5 PD. chavous easily outperformed the injured schulters last season.

so chavous is one year older. you look at their careers. they are essentially the same player. show me the big difference (outside of schulters missing a ton of games last season).

[big dog cowboy]

Neither will be a Cowboy.

[Sarge]

Neither will be a Cowboy.


..............we have a winner.

[Cbz40]

Neither will be a Cowboy.


Exactly.......

[jobberone]

Ronde Barber wouldn't make a good FS, IMO. Face it people. CBs and FSs are NOT interchangable. Quit trying to convert every last one.

Some are and some aren't. Chavous and Barber would be great though.

[THUMPER]

I choose Brock Marion. Even at 35 he is way better than either Barber or Chavous at FS.

My hope is that we stop screwing around with scrubs like Hall or Robinson and either sign Marion (if we've just got to have a veteran) or just go with Keith Davis.

In reality, we won't use a FS much anyway with 3 solid CBs on the roster in Newman, Henry, and Glenn so it won't kill us to let Davis (or even Beirault) learn the ropes this season.

[Jarv]

Ronde Barber wouldn't make a good FS, IMO. Face it people. CBs and FSs are NOT interchangable. Quit trying to convert every last one.

I could be wrong, but didn't Chavous start out as a CB ?

[scottsp]

Yes Chavous did start out at corner in Arizona.

[dbair1967]

where did you ever get the idea that Barber was a FS?

David

[Crown Royal]

I could be wrong, but didn't Chavous start out as a CB ?

The conversion is possible. A CB is sometimes better suited at safety, and vice versa (though less often). My point was that they aren't just interchangeable - you can't just take any CB and decide to convert him to safety. Too many people see a CB with average numbers and say "Hey - think about what he would do at safety!!!" It just doesn't work that way.

[Muhast]

in 2003,Chavous had 8 Int's. Was that at CB, or FS? The guy can go after the ball. I wouldnt mind him, but im interested to see if one of the candidates we have can play.

[InmanRoshi]

in 2003,Chavous had 8 Int's. Was that at CB, or FS? The guy can go after the ball. I wouldnt mind him, but im interested to see if one of the candidates we have can play.

The football equivalent of Brady Anderson hitting 50 HR's in one season. All of his other years his INT totals have been 2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1.

Minnesota shelled out big bucks for upgrade at the position for a reason.

[jobberone]

The conversion is possible. A CB is sometimes better suited at safety, and vice versa (though less often). My point was that they aren't just interchangeable - you can't just take any CB and decide to convert him to safety. Too many people see a CB with average numbers and say "Hey - think about what he would do at safety!!!" It just doesn't work that way.

I agree. Plenty do it. Some needed to be safeties period. Some lost a step or got too big and made the move. Others are just too aggressive yada to do it. I think in general it's easier to draft a safety and it be successful than convert someone but it's been done plenty of times before ala Waters and Woodson on and on.

[jobberone]

in 2003,Chavous had 8 Int's. Was that at CB, or FS? The guy can go after the ball. I wouldnt mind him, but im interested to see if one of the candidates we have can play.

He was a safety in 2003 and was all world. Don't know if everything just worked out that year, he had an off year last year, was injured last year, or he's fading away.

I'd like to look at him though. Don't understand why the Vikings are letting him go and that bothers me some. Wish we had more info here.

[Muhast]

he was injured in 04'

[dargonking999]

never liked barber, never will, so corey by defualty

[Muhast]

I'd like to have Barber just so the media can hype twins playing, 2 times a year