Sportscenter at 6 est to talk about cowboys blackballed from Hall of Fame

[Reed]

title says it tall, i saw espn and the commercial for the 6 est showing of sportscenter, the ancor said " Are former cowboy players being blackballed from hall of fame?" and they showed a clip of players. "Stay tuned to see"

[Chief]

What a joke.

ESPN covering a bias against the Cowboys.

They'll probably show "The Catch" clip for the thousandth time.

[TheHustler]

please provide a recap :)

[Chief]

If ESPN wanted to do it right, they would do an Outside the Lines feature on it and bring in the voters (Paul Zimmerman, etc.) who claim there is a bias. Guys who are actually in the room and see it first hand.

But they won't.

They'll do a half- piece on Sportscenter that just makes Dallas look like a bunch of whiners.

Is it possible that they'll show Drew's "Hail Mary" catch?

Nah.

[jswalker1981]

If ESPN wanted to do it right, they would do an Outside the Lines feature on it and bring in the voters (Paul Zimmerman, etc.) who claim there is a bias. Guys who are actually in the room and see it first hand.

But they won't.

They'll do a half- piece on Sportscenter that just makes Dallas look like a bunch of whiners.

Is it possible that they'll show Drew's "Hail Mary" catch?

Nah.
Hell, I am worried that Berman will be doing the piece!

[Cbz40]

Drew Pearson was on the Dan Patrick show this afternoon talking about the HOF bias against the Cowboys.

[Jarv]

If ESPN wanted to do it right, they would do an Outside the Lines feature on it and bring in the voters (Paul Zimmerman, etc.) who claim there is a bias. Guys who are actually in the room and see it first hand.

But they won't.

They'll do a half- piece on Sportscenter that just makes Dallas look like a bunch of whiners.

Is it possible that they'll show Drew's "Hail Mary" catch?

Nah.

If the show the "Hail Mary"...They will say it was a bad call and should have been offensive interference...Thats why Pearson is not in the HOF...Bla Bla Bla...

[AdamJT13]

Worth mentioning again -- only two of the 22 offensive and defensive players who were on the NFL's All-1970s First Team (chosen by the Hall of Fame Selection Committee) have not made the Hall of Fame. One is Drew Pearson. The other is Cliff Harris.

[Waffle]

Hell, I am worried that Berman will be doing the piece!

And rightfully so. He sleeps in 49er jammies.

[ABQCOWBOY]

And rightfully so. He sleeps in 49er jammies.

With or without feet?

[kevwun]

The chances of the segment being fair and accurate are slim and none.

[Waffle]

With or without feet?

I'll ask Steve Young. I'm sure he knows! :eek:

[calico]

I set my DVR to record it. I can post a video clip of it here later for those who do not see it...if it is worth it.

[Hostile]

I'll still be at work. I hope they replay it later.

[TheHustler]

I set my DVR to record it. I can post a video clip of it here later for those who do not see it...if it is worth it.

Please do. I'll still be at work too and won't be able to see it.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I'll try and type most of the comments I hear and give you fellas an immediate recap. They're advertising it some more during PTI so it may be the biggest story. Hopefully this will be a good one.

[Chocolate Lab]

If ESPN wanted to do it right, they would do an Outside the Lines feature on it and bring in the voters (Paul Zimmerman, etc.) who claim there is a bias. Guys who are actually in the room and see it first hand.

But they won't.

They'll do a half- piece on Sportscenter that just makes Dallas look like a bunch of whiners.
Exactly, Chief... I can see a few old clips of the players, then a quick interview with some Hall voter who will say that of course there's no bias and these guys are just being paranoid. End of story.

Followed of course by 10,000 Red Sox-Yankees replays... Whether they played today or not.

[jksmith269]

I'm glad Drew is speaking about this. Maybe this will finally draw enough attention to get some of the greats like DP in the HOF. I'd love if DP, Cliff Harris, MI, and Troy all went in this year. now that would be worth attending the hof next year..... But who am I kidding troy and MI will prob still be waiting when ES get in.....

[Put Henson In]

Jerry Jones needs to take all the Cowboys that are in the hall of fame out and build his own badA hall of Cowboy fame. With not cowboys in the hall it will have no legitimacy and they will come begging for Jerry to allow Cowboys to be in the HOF and they will elect more Cowboys to make sure Jerry doesn't do it in the future. I know I would do that if I were JJ.

[Scotman]

With or without feet?

They're the type with the "emergency exit" on the rump in maroon and gold.



I would like to hear even one valid arguement that disputs a Cowboys bias when it comes to the Hall of Fame.

How is it that a receiver that literally changed how defenses had to play the game just to cover him is not in there? Had he played anywhere else the HOF would have been a given.

We know that if there is any question about a player from Dallas at all, they will not get the necessary vote. Irvin is a good example. I bet he doesn't make it. Here's a bigger question; what the heck are they going to do when obvious HOFers from Dallas are on the ticket.? Aikman, Smith, LA. It seems they will have no choice, but...

[Chief]

A few things ....

-- Adam's stat is amazing. That should be brought up, but I bet they don't even know it.

-- ESPN knows how to promo Sportscenter. When they want to throw the bait out there to attract viewers, all they have to do is use the Cowboys.

-- And we can thank Dale for this. Dale does the piece on Drew speaking out on the Hall of Fame bias, and the next thing you know, ESPN is calling Drew.

[TruBlueCowboy]

A few things ....

-- Adam's stat is amazing. That should be brought up, but I bet they don't even know it.

-- ESPN knows how to promo Sportscenter. When they want to throw the bait out there to attract viewers, all they have to do is use the Cowboys.

-- And we can thank Dale for this. Dale does the piece on Drew speaking out on the Hall of Fame bias, and the next thing you know, ESPN is calling Drew.

I have a feeling this is going to be small fluff piece like you said Chief because they advertised the hell out of it but they keep delaying it until the next segment, next segment..... :(

[Waffle]

...next segment. :banghead:

[diehard2294]

A few things ....

-- Adam's stat is amazing. That should be brought up, but I bet they don't even know it.

-- ESPN knows how to promo Sportscenter. When they want to throw the bait out there to attract viewers, all they have to do is use the Cowboys.

-- And we can thank Dale for this. Dale does the piece on Drew speaking out on the Hall of Fame bias, and the next thing you know, ESPN is calling Drew.boy, isn't that the truth Chief! I always laugh at how they would say a cowboys segment is coming up, and low and behold, it's near the end of the show ;)

[TruBlueCowboy]

boy, isn't that the truth Chief! I always laugh at how they would say a cowboys segment is coming up, and low and behold, it's near the end of the show ;)

LOL You speak the truth. It was really freaking annoying during the first Parcells year because they were always throwing us a bone.

[diehard2294]

LOL You speak the truth. It was really freaking annoying during the first Parcells year because they were always throwing us a bone.I clearly remember it during the JJ years :mad:

[ABQCOWBOY]

A few things ....

-- Adam's stat is amazing. That should be brought up, but I bet they don't even know it.

-- ESPN knows how to promo Sportscenter. When they want to throw the bait out there to attract viewers, all they have to do is use the Cowboys.

-- And we can thank Dale for this. Dale does the piece on Drew speaking out on the Hall of Fame bias, and the next thing you know, ESPN is calling Drew.

You know how I feel about this. To be honest, I don't even like talking about it anymore.

Having said that, I agree. Dale did a nice job on that. He's really coming along and that's always nice to see IMO.

Now..... Back to my usual STHOF, sorry Bastids anyhow.

[Cbz40]

Worth mentioning again -- only two of the 22 offensive and defensive players who were on the NFL's All-1970s First Team (chosen by the Hall of Fame Selection Committee) have not made the Hall of Fame. One is Drew Pearson. The other is Cliff Harris.


Drew did mention this on Dan Patrick show today.

[Waffle]

More baseball stuff. :zzz:

[Chief]

Drew did mention this on Dan Patrick show today.

How did Patrick react to that?

[TruBlueCowboy]

More baseball stuff. :zzz:

:catplay: :shootme:

[MissionCoach]

They sure are milking this :bang2: maybe after THIS commercial!

[diehard2294]

how suprising the end of the show

[ravidubey]

What a joke.

ESPN covering a bias against the Cowboys.

They'll probably show "The Catch" clip for the thousandth time.
Rolling on the floor laughing!

[MissionCoach]

You tell em Drew :bravo:

[Hostile]

Woody Paige just defended our side? The apocaplypse is upon us.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Was a fluff piece. :( They had an interview with Drew Pearson who said:

-- A lot of Cowboys players who deserve the recognition and didn't get it. A few players have gotten close but not been able to get over the hump. Uses the Cliff Harris, Rayfield Wright, Bob Hayes year. Michael Irvin too.

-- Points out Chuck Howley, Harvey Martin, Drew Pearson, Ed Jones and others who aren't even getting close to Hall of Fame notice, not just the guys who get close and aren't voted in.

-- Says he thinks he has the credentials for the HOF and others have told him so. Used the 1970's team example of Lynn Swann and Drew Pearson.

-- Asked if the Cowboys won the Super Bowls against the Steelers if more Cowboys would have been voted in and he says it shouldn't matter. Says there are a lot fo players in the HOF who never even got close to the Super Bowl, so doesn't think that's a legit reason for more Cowboys not being in the HOF.

-- Asked about Art Monk and the Redskins players who didn't get elected in during all the Joe Gibbs Superbowls. Thinks Monk should be in the HOF.

-- Says there are a lot of players, not just the Cowboys, who thinks they are not getting the recognition they deserve, Harry Carson and others.

They then had Skip Bayless on :rolleyes: and Woody Paige for a quick commentary:

-- Skip doesn't think there is a bias against Cowboys but does think there is a bias against Drew Pearson who made the biggest catches in NFL history. Thinks the other guys (Wright, Hayes) don't belong in HOF.

-- Woody Paige says there is an agenda. He says he voted for all the Cowboys who didn't make it. Thinks there are people who just don't want Cowboys in.

[scottsp]

Woody Paige was on there just now stating he believes there is absolutely no doubt there is an anti Cowboy bias. Good to see from a non-local sports writer with that level of visability.

[TruBlueCowboy]

I can vouch for Woody Paige. He emailed me back when I complained to all of the HOF voters after the last Cowboys snub and told me he had voted for Wright, Irvin, Hayes and others.

[MissionCoach]

Skip Bayless = :liarliar: :blind: :loser: :jerk:

[scottsp]

Skip, that no-talent hack. He's all about self-promotion, nothing more. It pains me he has the forum he has.

[viman96]

Thanks for the updates. I was hoping for more information but expected less. So I guess that means I'm happy?

[TruBlueCowboy]

Thanks for the updates. I was hoping for more information but expected less. So I guess that means I'm happy?

Honestly, you could have read Dale's interview on Cowboys.Com and come up with most of the same points that ESPN did. Dale had a much better interview with Pearson because he covered more areas. I wish ESPN would realize that former players have a lot of good insight to offer today's sports fan. So much for in-depth sports journalism on ESPN. :rolleyes:

[Cbz40]

How did Patrick react to that?


He really did not have that much to say about it.....he mostly reacted as to why Irvin wasn't voted in on the first ballot. Saying he thought it was the drug related problem......he did say that he thought a player should be judged on his play on the field.

Patrick did seem a little taken back that all the WRs which Drew had beaten out as to the all 70's team were in the HOF but Drew wasn't.

As I was at work I only caught about the last 3-4 minutes of the interview.....

[JakeCamp12]

I heard some of the Dan Patrick talk with Burger King on XM. Burger does not think there is an anti-Cowboy bias. His reasoning is that when the voters are talking about the players no ever has anything bad to say about any of the players. Then after the voting, when everyone is having a beer and burger, there is no anti-Cowboy talk. So, instead of Patrick asking, "Well Peter, do you think if some guys really had it in for the Cowboys, would they just blantantly tell everyone?" The media is really good at protecting itself. Aftr Patrick refused to really ask any real questions, I turned it off in disgust....

[SA_Gunslinger]

why don't they do a story like this around voting time.

nobody will notice right now.

[big dog cowboy]

I saw the entire espn piece. My wife was so mad she couldn't believe everything that Drew was pointing out. After I informed her it was worse than even Drew described, she got even madder. "It sounds like the hof is a joke" she said. Followed by "they should enshrine all the old Cowboys that deserve it in one year". Now there's somehitng I can get on board with. Except of course they would have to enshrine about 15 players!!!!!!!!!

Decent piece by espn. Shoudl have been a bigger time slot. Possibly a seperate show like "outside the lines" or something. At least we got some pub and watching the old Cowboy clips was simply great. Watching Too Tall and Harvey made me think of our new defense. On a side note........Skip Bayless is an idiot. Always has been. Always will be.

[Silverstar]

why don't they do a story like this around voting time.

nobody will notice right now.


My thoughts exactly. :mad:

[Maikeru-sama]

I saw the ESPN peice. Old Drew doesn't seemed to have aged a bit.

I think ESPN did the peice now because Pearson's book is coming out.

Oh and Skip Bayless is full of it. This guy made his name and his career from reporting the Cowboys but he never backs them up on the grand stage that is ESPN.

I cant stand him...and I wont be buying anymore of his books either :mad: .

- Mike G.

[Crown Royal]

Players who spent most of their career with the teams and played in mostly the 70s:

Minnesota: 7 Players
Oakland: 6 Players
Dallas: 5 Plays


Oh yeah......I almost forgot......Skip Bayless is a tool.

[Bonwickean]

ESPN stands for Eastern Sports Propaganda Network; somehow though they also like left coast teams. Might as well realize we are not close enough east or far enough west for their liking.

[redskins]

I feel for you guys. There is an obvious bias against both of our teams. No Irvin, Pearson, Monk, or Clark but Swann and Stallworth? What a joke/disgrace!

[Wolverine]

The HOF voters have to many haters. Im sure there will be some that try and vote against Aikman and Emmitt goin to the HOF. If ANYONE of them votes against Aikman or Emmitt then every Newspaper should make their names public so they are held acoutable.


But you know what. Why are bunch of dork writers the ones who vote in HOF players. Have any of them ever played in the NFL. My guess is no. Have any of them ever made it to the NFL HOF. I would say no. So what exactly are their qualifications to be the ones who decide on who should get in the HOF and who shouldnt. They dont know their heads from their a**es about football. I bet 75% of these people who vote for the HOF wouldnt even know what a skinny post is if you asked them.

What should really be done is the NFL HOF committee should change the rules on who votes for the HOF players. It should go like this.

Every team who has players in the HOF should elect one of their HOF players to the HOF committee. So here is the example.

The Cowboys could chose lets say Staubach or Randy White as their HOF committee guy.


They Steelers can elect one of their HOF guys to be on the HOF committee.

The 49ers can do the same.


Then once every team with a HOF member has voted in their HOF committee member.......THESE GUYS are the ones who will decide who gets in the HOF.

They would know a great player way before any idiot writer who is full of hate.

Sports writers are not worthy of makin the selections of who gets in the HOF.

Leave that to the guys who have played the game and who are in the HOF and know something about the game.

[redskins]

It's rare that a Redskin fan and a Cowboy fan can see eye to eye, but Wolverine you are right on.

[jimmy40]

I feel for you guys. There is an obvious bias against both of our teams. No Irvin, Pearson, Monk, or Clark but Swann and Stallworth? What a joke/disgrace!I think Art Monk deserves to be there as much as anyone that's not.

[LeonDixson]

I set my DVR to record it. I can post a video clip of it here later for those who do not see it...if it is worth it.
That would be fantastic, Calico.

[Erik_H]

There's one big probem with the timing of this story, and I'm not talking about the time of the year (being so far away from the voting period).

I wouldn't be at al surprised if this gets brought up a number of times over the next few months. It's been a story ever since Hayes was rejected in 03, then Harris and Wright in 04, then Irvin in 05. The story is now ready to be accepted....Just in time for Aikman and Irvin to go in together.

I do believe that this will happen. The sad result will be that the media will use this as a "see I told you so. There's no bias. We elected 2 Cowboys in one year!"

Not only will that be the end of of it for every deserving 70's Cowboy, it will also be the end of it for any legs this story has. The Steeler and niner lovin media will forever point to the 06 induction to prove that anyone who thinks there's a bias is nuts.

Finally, in the upcoming years, we'll get to watch more and more of our guys get the the shaft. When all is said and done, only Emmitt will be inducted from our 90's team. Haley will go in as a niner of course (if he gets in). Who knows what Deion will go in as.

[DallasKnight]

Frack Deion.

That being said, Yes, Haley will go in as a Niner. And regardless of how much we b!tch and moan, our beloved '70's Cowboys won't go in.

Jerry, if you ever had a clue. Build a NEW HOF and do the right thing.

[percyhoward]

I feel for you guys. There is an obvious bias against both of our teams.
Redskins
7 appearances in NFL Chamionship games before 1980
2-5 record
12 Hall of Famers

Cowboys
7 appearances in NFL Championship games before 1980
2-5 record
5 Hall of Famers

Appreciate the sympathy, but this isn't even close.

[lurkercowboy]

You don't go in the football HOF as a member of a particular team. You do in baseball however.