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Nors

05-16-2005, 04:37 PM

I'm dead serious. Look for no huddle offense this year to catch defenses trying to key the run! Drew is OUTSTANDING running this type attack!

Thoughts?

Hostile

05-16-2005, 04:38 PM

I'm dead serious. Look for no huddle offense this year to catch defenses trying to key the run! Drew is OUTSTANDING running this type attack!

Thoughts?I like the no huddle for the offense. I hate it for the defense. If the Offense goes 3 and out the D gets worn down quickly. No time to get a good rest.

AsthmaField

05-16-2005, 04:41 PM

I like the no huddle for the offense. I hate it for the defense. If the Offense goes 3 and out the D gets worn down quickly. No time to get a good rest.

I've always liked the offense running a no huddle attack as well. I'd love it.

With our anticipated depth on the defensive line, I don't think it'll be an issue of the defense tiring out.

Is Bledsoe really good at running it? If he is, I really hope we do incorporate it into our attack. It only gives another edge to your team (assuming you have players who are smart enough to know what they're supposed to be doing).

Play it for a series or two then slow down the pace, then play it again... it helps to keep the defense off balance and guessing.

ABQCOWBOY

05-16-2005, 04:45 PM

Waffle

05-16-2005, 04:50 PM

Is Bledsoe really good at running it?

Depends on who you ask. Some people around here still seem to think Bledsoe's good at everything.

I can only speculate we'll probably see some Bledsoe "no huddle statistics" real soon.

TheSkaven

05-16-2005, 04:59 PM

I'm dead serious. Look for no huddle offense this year to catch defenses trying to key the run! Drew is OUTSTANDING running this type attack!

Thoughts?My thoughts are that it's not Bill's game. Bill wants to slow the game down, not speed it up. This team will grind the ball on the ground with JuJo, keep the offense on the field and win time of possession. I don't think I've ever seen Parcells as happy as the post game press conference after the game when we had a 2-1 ratio on time of possession.

devman90

05-16-2005, 05:00 PM

bledsoe is a veteran and already knows this type of offense, if we can consistently drive the ball and still control the clock, then it will happen. But as Theskaven said thats not bills game

DLCassidy

05-16-2005, 05:09 PM

I have no idea why anyone would be opposed to using the no-huddle as a change of pace if the offense is struggling or to get back into a game in which the team is trailing by more than one score or to get ahead early in a game that you think points will be hard to come by. Teams will game plan against your base offense but the no huddle is hard to game plan for because it can be used at any time and you can't adjust your defensive personnel once the series starts. If you say it's not a good offense to move the clock I say you know what really keeps the clock from moving? Repeated 3 and outs. The no huddle is a solution for those times when you need a jump start for whatever reason. If you were using it all the time it might be valid to say the D would tend to get tired.

Bledsoe is indeed very good at running it, in part because it allows him to get into a rapid flow which he likes and in part because of the fact that since the other team can't sub in players it limits the looks they can throw at him. Buffalo used it some in the 2nd half of last year and it worked well. I'd only be talking about occasional use but it's a nice arrow to have in the quiver.

Q_the_man

05-16-2005, 05:15 PM

Verdict

05-16-2005, 05:16 PM

I think Drew Bledsoe is as equipped as any QB mentally to handle the task. I would guess Parcells will consider it, but if used, it would not be used every week. I'm guessing its use would be dependent solely on whether using it gave us an advantage over the particular opponent we are playing on that particular week.

Scotman

05-16-2005, 05:20 PM

Nors, I like the idea. But, I'd take it one step further and only run it on occasions during the game. Practice for a set of 3 or 4 plays during a posession. I like it that it would add a true degree of difficulty in predicting what personnel the opponent would need to have on the field. Any time they are guessing, the odds for success increase.

ABQCOWBOY

05-16-2005, 05:21 PM

We can run from the no huddle easy!!!! u can change different formations in it, also we will probably run alot of 1 back sets anyway, meaning we can run or pass

The no huddle is not a running formation. Can you run from it? Yes. Can you do your best runniong from it? No.

This is really not even a question.

Hollywood Henderson

05-16-2005, 05:34 PM

ABQCOWBOY

05-16-2005, 05:43 PM

Why could you not run your best from it?

Its actually a VERY good idea to get the offense use to it and would be a benefit vs great DC's like Jim Johnson or Gregg Williams...

By using it often (Every game) but not exclusively, our 2 min. hurry up offense would also likely improve...

It's a split back formation with no lead block eliment. You can put a guy in motion but then you expose your QB to the rush. It also doesn't allow for the FB to get into the hole and get on his assignment as quickly. Split Backs are not as effective a run formation as I or lead is. It's also more difficult to run effective power isolation plays out of. If your primary ball carrier is Jones and he's lined up to one side, then it's difficult to run to that side of the field with a lead block. There are a lot of reasons it's not as good a running formation but really, the idea of running a hurry up is to lock personel on the field and ware them out. You ever tried to run hurry up out of a running game? Running plays take longer to develope from snap to snap. A defense can get personel substitutions on and off if your using a running game out of the no huddle. Basically, it defeates the purpose of the excercise, to some extent.

Hollywood Henderson

05-16-2005, 05:52 PM

Buffalo was effective running Thurman Thomas alot out of the no-huddle...

A FB could be used out of the I or a one back with Witten/Campbell, I don't see the negitive there?

I would not want to use it all the time, but in spots, I think its a good idea...

Q_the_man

05-16-2005, 05:58 PM

It's a split back formation with no lead block eliment. You can put a guy in motion but then you expose your QB to the rush. It also doesn't allow for the FB to get into the hole and get on his assignment as quickly. Split Backs are not as effective a run formation as I or lead is. It's also more difficult to run effective power isolation plays out of. If your primary ball carrier is Jones and he's lined up to one side, then it's difficult to run to that side of the field with a lead block. There are a lot of reasons it's not as good a running formation but really, the idea of running a hurry up is to lock personel on the field and ware them out. You ever tried to run hurry up out of a running game? Running plays take longer to develope from snap to snap. A defense can get personel substitutions on and off if your using a running game out of the no huddle. Basically, it defeates the purpose of the excercise, to some extent.
HUH!

Tell Thurman Thomas he could not run from the No-Huddle!!!

u can use 3 WR and 1 RB and TE to run a no huddle offense, the point of the no-huddle is to cause confusion and to create big plays..

U can run the no-huddle all types of different ways. Can u get ur best running out of the no-huddle? Depends on the type of RB u have.

Question........

Is ur RB guaranteed to get more yards running in a conventional offense, rather than a no-huddle????

Hostile

05-16-2005, 06:00 PM

I've always liked the offense running a no huddle attack as well. I'd love it.

With our anticipated depth on the defensive line, I don't think it'll be an issue of the defense tiring out.

Is Bledsoe really good at running it? If he is, I really hope we do incorporate it into our attack. It only gives another edge to your team (assuming you have players who are smart enough to know what they're supposed to be doing).

Play it for a series or two then slow down the pace, then play it again... it helps to keep the defense off balance and guessing.The problem more than just the D-line can wear down. LBs, and DBs can wear down as well.

I don't believe we'll run a no huddle. I think we'll try and control the clock. You don't do that by playing helter skelter.

laythewood28

05-16-2005, 06:12 PM

I like the no huddle for the offense. I hate it for the defense. If the Offense goes 3 and out the D gets worn down quickly. No time to get a good rest.

Bingo!!

ravidubey

05-16-2005, 06:22 PM

The strongest part of our team, if you can believe the experts, is our talent at RB. You put Bledsoe in the no huddle and you work against our strength. The no huddle is not a running formation. I am not in favor of doing this. It would help Bledsoe from a mobility stand point but I don't love it for what it means to our team.

Fella by the name of Thurman Thomas did OK running out of a no-huddle.

No-huddle means just that-- there's no huddle, it doesn't mean you don't run the ball. It bolsters the chances of the offense but takes less time off the clock, so of course you don't want to run it 100% of the time.

It also favors balanced offenses and smart QB which is exactly what we've got. I don't know why everyone is selling our WRs so short. Like we're just assuming Key and Glenn will get hurt again... it's crazy.

blindzebra

05-16-2005, 06:23 PM

Adams, Allen, and Rivera is why you can't run a no huddle, throw in the added beef of Tucker or Petitti and we'd need to use our second string line by the middle of the third quarter.

Hell let's run the run and shoot and the 4-6, then we can watch Zim punch Payton.:D

Trophy#6

05-16-2005, 06:29 PM

You don't want to make this a constant thing with Bledsoe, let us not forget he's no spring chicken himself, either. But that being taken into account as a plus also, not a negative like last year because he's not that OLD, he has the smarts and ability to whip it out at a moments notice if the game situation calls for it. I highly doubt there will be a consistant pattern to our use of this though- it'll be a "secret weapon", nothing more.

Nors

05-16-2005, 07:13 PM

It's a split back formation with no lead block eliment. You can put a guy in motion but then you expose your QB to the rush. It also doesn't allow for the FB to get into the hole and get on his assignment as quickly. Split Backs are not as effective a run formation as I or lead is. It's also more difficult to run effective power isolation plays out of. If your primary ball carrier is Jones and he's lined up to one side, then it's difficult to run to that side of the field with a lead block. There are a lot of reasons it's not as good a running formation but really, the idea of running a hurry up is to lock personel on the field and ware them out. You ever tried to run hurry up out of a running game? Running plays take longer to develope from snap to snap. A defense can get personel substitutions on and off if your using a running game out of the no huddle. Basically, it defeates the purpose of the excercise, to some extent.

I may be wrong but JJ is at his best in 1 RB sets. When running the no huddle JJ will strike fear in a Defense... What are we doing?

big dog cowboy

05-16-2005, 07:16 PM

Buffalo was effective running Thurman Thomas alot out of the no-huddle...
Yea.

Until they played us in 2 super bowls. :D

Nors

05-16-2005, 07:20 PM

The problem more than just the D-line can wear down. LBs, and DBs can wear down as well.

I don't believe we'll run a no huddle. I think we'll try and control the clock. You don't do that by playing helter skelter.

Again - we now have a BIGGER 3-4 Defense. The days of small backers and front 7 are behind us. We have been scoring no points for past 5 to 6 seasons. Lets not change that!

I threw this out full well knowing Parcells/Drew history, Drews success running this type offense!!! Its a natural with JJ to totally screw with a D. You come out big to stop JJ we kill you in no huddle via pass. You go into a no huddle defense we can run all over you. Witten? Its becomes pick your poison!

Nors

05-16-2005, 07:38 PM

Bledsoe's field generalship jells in a hurry

By MARK GAUGHAN
News Sports Reporter
12/30/2004

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James P. McCoy/Buffalo News
Bills quarterback Drew Bledsoe says he has "so much more time at the line of scrimmage and can change the play three or four times."

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Mark Mulville/Buffalo News
Bills quarterback Drew Bledsoe called Willis McGahee's number to score a touchdown on one of the no-huddle drives Sunday against San Francicso.

The Buffalo Bills came out in the no-huddle offense Sunday in San Francisco and held the ball on their first five drives for 12, nine, 10, nine and seven plays.
Five drives of seven or more plays, and they scored on four of them.

Only once in their first 14 games had they managed even three straight seven-play drives.

So as they enter their must-win regular-season finale against Pittsburgh on Sunday, it's no wonder the Bills are thinking the no-huddle is a good idea.

"I love it," quarterback Drew Bledsoe said. "It allows us to be right a lot more of the time by getting into a good play."

"I think the players like it, and I think they get energized a little bit by it," quarterbacks coach Sam Wyche said. "We've prepared each week for it and had it available. We just decided it was time to give it an early look and it was successful, so we stayed with it."

The Bills picked a perfect time to sharpen their attack. This week, they face the No. 1-ranked defense in the NFL. The Steelers are No. 1 against the run, No. 4 against the pass and in the top 10 in every other defensive category.

The Bills aren't saying they're ready to adopt the no-huddle permanently. It doesn't exactly fit the ball control-and-defense blueprint of coach Mike Mularkey. But it's clear the no-huddle is a tactic that can help the offense and give opponents something else to worry about.

"It's something I'm very comfortable with," Bledsoe said. "I really enjoy it. It's a weapon we can use going forward. I think you'll see more of it."

Bledsoe was brilliant running the attack Sunday. He looked sharp in brief no-huddle situations earlier this season. The Bills used it on three first-half drives in Seattle and marched 10, seven and 12 plays. They scored touchdowns on two of them.

"I don't think Drew's really gotten the credit he deserves for his play-calling in that offense," guard Ross Tucker said. "He does a great job."

"The no-huddle is really just a series of audibles," Wyche said. "You're trying to have a nice balance. I think he really did a nice job of mixing run and pass, deep and short, left and right, and throwing to different people. It's a feel. He has it."

Wyche knows the no-huddle as well as anyone because he revived it in Cincinnati in the 1980s. He says a veteran quarterback is essential to its success.

"I call it field generalship because it's about total poise at the line of scrimmage," Wyche said. "It's reading the coverage, knowing how much time is on the game clock, on the 40-second clock, making sure everybody is in the right position, looking them in the eye and making sure they heard you and they know what the play is. It happens pretty fast. You have to be on your toes."

Bledsoe has 11 touchdown passes and five interceptions during the team's six-game win streak.

Bledsoe likes the ability to get the Bills into the best possible play.

"I have so much more time at the line of scrimmage and can change the play three or four times," he said.

"It helps you to dictate to the defense," said receiver Lee Evans. "It helps you to keep them off-guard a little bit where they can't just sit on things. They kind of have to do things on the run. Hopefully, somebody makes a mistake and you can pop one."

The Bills think against some opponents it limits the blitz package they can send at the offense because they are forced to keep the same 11 players on the field. That might not be a huge benefit against Pittsburgh, which like Buffalo uses a wide variety of zone blitzes.

The risk of running the no-huddle, of course, is the offense leaves the field quickly if it doesn't get a first down. Against San Francisco, which has the 26th-rated offense, that wasn't necessarily a big worry.

Pittsburgh is the No. 2 rushing team in the league and is No. 1 in time of possession. If the Bills' offense hurries off the field Sunday, it might be awhile before it gets back on it.

Nors

05-16-2005, 07:52 PM

I also saw Parcells/Bledsoe air it out insane in their Pats years. Bledsoe ran the no huddle to perfection in 1997/98 seasons. Bills the same last year. This is a natural progression and of course JJ will get his carries!

LaTunaNostra

05-16-2005, 08:02 PM

Nors, I see you have a new mantra.

Yea, Bledsoe can run a no-huddle. Against San Francisco. But in all fairness, he effectively ran it vs Seattle as well last year.

So what happened?

Here is an interesting article. Wordy, but relevant. The writer puts too much of tyhe Bills losses on Bledsoe, but he is also onto a few things re "Humpty".

"How Good Was Bledsoe in 2004?"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_346750_24&prov=citadel&type=story

Nors

05-16-2005, 08:38 PM

Crown Royal

05-16-2005, 09:19 PM

Parcells aired it out with Bledsoe, will emphasize this no huddle attack - JMO
I was sold in 97/98. He kicked *** in this set, and he prosphered in it in 2004 down the stretch.

Just a thought to throw at defenses. We can really cause them angst in trying to defend us!

I don't think you see the no huddle exclusively (that is, the way Indianapolis uses it). But it, like out defensive front, will be very situational. We will run it at the beginning of a few games, when our offense is in attack mode, and in games we are severely behind.

But another poster said something true about it - our OL isn't built too well to run it, and although Parcells will use it, he will also want to slow down quite a bit of the time.

I see a combo of our normal offense with a good dose of no huddle thrown in (considering Parcell's affinity for airing it out with Bledsoe, something I think he will probably do slightly less now-a-days...)

Alexander

05-16-2005, 09:26 PM

This has got to be a joke.

Right?

Tell me this is all a joke.

Nors

05-16-2005, 09:38 PM

I don't think you see the no huddle exclusively (that is, the way Indianapolis uses it). But it, like out defensive front, will be very situational. We will run it at the beginning of a few games, when our offense is in attack mode, and in games we are severely behind.

But another poster said something true about it - our OL isn't built too well to run it, and although Parcells will use it, he will also want to slow down quite a bit of the time.

I see a combo of our normal offense with a good dose of no huddle thrown in (considering Parcell's affinity for airing it out with Bledsoe, something I think he will probably do slightly less now-a-days...)

Yes - we will not run no huddle as base O - BUT ABILITY to deploy it will cause a D some preparation angst. Drew is very skilled at this. Parcells puts his players in a position to do what they do best. Look for this in our playbook 2005.

big dog cowboy

05-16-2005, 09:40 PM

Tell me this is all a joke.
It's all a joke.

Seriously.

Nors

05-16-2005, 09:45 PM

This has got to be a joke.

Right?

Tell me this is all a joke.

VENUS FLY TRAP ALWAYS GETS ONE OF THE SLOWER INSECTS!

No, a very educated prediction based on Bledsoes skill set and Parcells ability to adapt. A natural progression for this offense. Huddle offense aint done squat of late HERE. No huddle will be the 3-4 offensive equivalent move!

You heard it here FIRST!

blindzebra

05-16-2005, 10:10 PM

We will play with 11 players on offense! You heard it here first!!!!

We will play a one back, two TE set! You heard it here first!!!!

LeonDixson

05-16-2005, 10:11 PM

Which team was it that used the no huddle offense primarily to keep the defense from changing personnel? It might have been Sam Wyche's Bengal team mentioned in the article.

They didn't use it to speed up the game all that much. In fact sometimes they would run almost all of the time off the play clock. But if the other team tried to shuttle in fresh defensive players they would snap the ball in the middle of the transition and get a "too many men on the field" penalty on the other team. I wish I could remember specifically which team it was. I think it was in the 80s.

Crown Royal

05-16-2005, 10:15 PM

VENUS FLY TRAP ALWAYS GETS ONE OF THE SLOWER INSECTS!

No, a very educated prediction based on Bledsoes skill set and Parcells ability to adapt. A natural progression for this offense. Huddle offense aint done squat of late HERE. No huddle will be the 3-4 offensive equivalent move!

You heard it here FIRST!

I think we'll see much more 3-4 implementation than no huddle, but I think it will be there for when Parcells feels he needs it.

The one thing that I think Parcells doesn't like about it is that he loses some of his control - he want's to call the plays his way. He will only use the no-huddle in situations that he thinks it gives him an appreciable advantage....

Alexander

05-16-2005, 10:28 PM

VENUS FLY TRAP ALWAYS GETS ONE OF THE SLOWER INSECTS!!

And if you hurl enough excrement, some is bound to hit the wall and stick.

big dog cowboy

05-16-2005, 10:30 PM

You heard it here FIRST!
Always a source of accurite news. :rolleyes:

Az Lurker

05-17-2005, 06:08 AM

the no-huddle doesn't have to be done quickly or in any specific formation does it? couldn't the offense just...not get into a huddle? everyone get up to the line, call the play as it comes in fromthe coach and still waitn for the clock to run down?

I can see it causing most false starts but other then that not sure what a problem would be. Peyton Manning for example almost never has a proper huddle.

Cowchips

05-17-2005, 11:17 AM

Parcells will use it to mix up the defense. It wont be every play. He will probably run it 2-3 times a game in the right spots. That is what he did in NE and that is what Bledsoe is very effective at.

ABQCOWBOY

05-17-2005, 11:43 AM

KingTuna

05-17-2005, 11:47 AM

Bledsoe is EXCELLENT in the no-huddle. Parcells will do whatever it takes to win and he knows Bledsoe's strengths. I think we WILL see it as a change of pace from time to time.

Cbz40

05-17-2005, 11:57 AM

ABQCOWBOY

05-17-2005, 12:01 PM

No huddle to me, means shot gun but I suppose you could run it out of a conventional, under center approach. I still think it makes little sense to do so, if your trying to limit personel packages. In todays NFL, rotations and personel packages are much better then what was used with Buffalo. They've been around now for an extended period of time. You guys bring up Thomas well OK. Does it occur that the example your using is about 20 years old? If it's such a great idea, why doesn't everybody use it in a copy cat league like the NFL? Thomas had a good 5 years of this but it's not as if Buffalo ran the red gun exclusively. That's not how it worked for them. Lastly, Buffalo ran the no huddle with Thomas and a guy by the name of Jim Kelly and lost a few championships to a team who ran a conventional power running game, ball control offense with a QB by the name of Aikman and a RB named Smith. I ask you, which two players do Bledsoe and Jones resemble more? Also, which do you want, a RB who will go down in history for lossing his helmet and coming out of games due to injury or one who Dominted the NFL, won 3 championships and is the all time leading rusher in the history of the sport?

In the imortal words of Ford Fairlane, "Use ya head. Snappa heads."

Hostile

05-17-2005, 01:25 PM

Bledsoe is EXCELLENT in the no-huddle. Parcells will do whatever it takes to win and he knows Bledsoe's strengths. I think we WILL see it as a change of pace from time to time.If he was "excellent" in any offense he would have played that offense exclusively.

ravidubey

05-17-2005, 04:04 PM

"How Good Was Bledsoe in 2004?"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_346750_24&prov=citadel&type=story

It may be impossible to ever find a more agenda-laced article. I wonder what record most QB's/teams have vs. opponents that finish with 10+ wins. Tom Brady has done fairly well, but he never had to start as a rookie; outside of that guy most would have taken their lumps pretty good. This writer didn't watch the same New England team I did rip the heart out of the Steelers starting right off the bat with a bomb to Terry Glenn for a TD while pounding a liberal dose Curtis Martin in 1996.

I guess there isn't a stupid statistic for leading your team to a win with a broken finger on your throwing hand or representing yourself and your team with class while throwing a KEY TD pass in the playoffs in spot duty for a younger QB who took your job because you were injured.

This flurry of really dumb statistics reminds me of the excrement many Cowboys fans tried to shove down the throats of anyone who would listen trying to prove the defense was really, honest to God deserving of being called the best in football in 2003.

The real truth (thank me later) is that Bledsoe is a good QB and not a HOF QB. By any stretch he is not a bad QB who should have been riding the bench!

Nors

05-17-2005, 08:12 PM

I can't wait for our offense to start attacking. And the no huddle is an antlers up approach in spots. It would affect how a team deploys players against us. JJ will go off in this role as well.

MichaelWinicki

05-17-2005, 08:51 PM

I'm dead serious. Look for no huddle offense this year to catch defenses trying to key the run! Drew is OUTSTANDING running this type attack!

Thoughts?

Well you're "dead"... don't know about he "serious" stuff though Nors...

MichaelWinicki

05-17-2005, 08:51 PM

Depends on who you ask. Some people around here still seem to think Bledsoe's good at everything.

I can only speculate we'll probably see some Bledsoe "no huddle statistics" real soon.

LOL!

Yep!

MichaelWinicki

05-17-2005, 08:57 PM

If he was "excellent" in any offense he would have played that offense exclusively.

And he'd still be the QB in New England... you know... Nors fav team! :D

Nors

05-17-2005, 09:09 PM

And he'd still be the QB in New England... you know... Nors fav team! :D

Nope he's the QB of OUR Dallas Cowboys.

Miki - your Bills are screwed with JP Losman. I bet you will attempt to deflect all blame away from the QB as they tank 2005! LOL

Nors

05-17-2005, 09:12 PM

Well you're "dead"... don't know about he "serious" stuff though Nors...
Wanna talk football or sling it?
Go to the smack forum for that - thats not for this forum.

You should know better than that

MichaelWinicki

05-17-2005, 09:32 PM

Wanna talk football or sling it?
Go to the smack forum for that - thats not for this forum.

You should know better than that

Oh Nors... give Miki a hug!

Nors

05-17-2005, 09:36 PM

Oh Nors... give Miki a hug!
Thats probably off topic forum - alternative lifestyles thread.

Not interested in that. You go!

LaTunaNostra

05-17-2005, 09:41 PM

It may be impossible to ever find a more agenda-laced article.

True, but it sure was FUNNY.

Written by a long-winded, disgusted fan fed up with three years of QB mediocrity, (coming of course, off more than a few more - Jim Kelly is as distant memory as Troy Aikman).

And the "Humpty" nickname was a classic!

Strange, but I feel such a sense of comradery with the guy. I just hope three years from now, we're not the ones writing the sequel.

Nors

05-17-2005, 09:51 PM

We could have a nasty no huddle - I also like a shotgun approach at times.