Will Larry Allen get snubbed by the HOF.

[Wolverine]

If they can snub Michael Irvin like they did Im sure when L.A. comes up for vote the haters on HOF committee will find a way to snub him to.

As bad as it sounds I wouldnt be surprised if they snub Aikman this year to.

[Hostile]

If they can snub Michael Irvin like they did Im sure when L.A. comes up for vote the haters on HOF committee will find a way to snub him to.

As bad as it sounds I wouldnt be surprised if they snub Aikman this year to.Once again, overboard.

[Wolverine]

Once again, overboard.

I dont think it is overboard. The only thing that is overboard is how the HOF Voters went out of their way to snub Irvin. What will their excuse for doin the same to Allen and Aikman be.

They will be forced to vote Emmitt in the 1st time cuz if they dont then everyone will see them for the haters they are.

[Nors]

Lets step back here:

Irvin will get in - JMO - but he was not a slam dunk player first ballot. Right there but on the bubble.

Emmitt Smith
Larry Allen
Troy Aikman are slam dunk ins

[Hostile]

Lets step back here:

Irvin will get in - JMO - but he was not a slam dunk player first ballot. Right there but on the bubble.

Emmitt Smith
Larry Allen
Troy Aikman are slam dunk ins:hammer:

[bobbie brewskie]

i thought we were "americas team" . . .

[Chuck 54]

I love Irvin, but he's not in the same league with Larry Allen...not even close. To be honest, Aikman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Allen either...Only Emmitt belongs on the same level as Larry Allen from the 90's teams.

Larry Allen and Emmitt are in the HOF on the first ballot and by an incredible landslide.

[Roughneck]

A Strong Argument can be made that Allen was the Best at his Position in NFL History.

He'll go in the first time he's up for consideration and it won't even be close.

[SuspectCorner]

larry is unquestionably 1st-ballot material. name even one OG that inspired the kinda fear larry has induced during his glorious career.

you could plug him in anywhere and know he was just gonna kick the tail off of whoever lined up across from him. and often the fella backing him up, too.

he maybe a shell of his former self - but i wouldn't trade his decade of stellar play for anybody who ever played the O-line.

he was just a badda**.

[pgreptom]

I wouldn't put it past them.

What a shame, to not let Irvin go

If Irvin, Aikman don't get in before Emmitt.. i will be so pissed off.

[bobbie brewskie]

I wouldn't put it past them.

What a shame, to not let Irvin go

If Irvin, Aikman don't get in before Emmitt.. i will be so pissed off.

the only way id be happy if aikman and irvin slide (again for irvin) is if they go same year as smith even though thats really far away but still, and maybe its time for rice to retire to go in with emmitt making a great year in the HOF.

[Chief]

What's going to be really interesting about Larry Allen's induction is the fact that he has to give a speech. I've seen no proof that this man can talk. Supposedly, he talked to Marco Rivera at the Pro Bowl, but that's heresay.

He grunts occasionally, and spits tobacco juice from the wad of snuff in his lip. But that's about it.

Larry Allen wearing one of those yellow blazers and giving a speech. That outta be fun.

[junk]

Larry will go in first ballot as will Emmitt. However, I would not be surprised to see Aikman passed over on the first ballot.

[Yeagermeister]

What's going to be really interesting about Larry Allen's induction is the fact that he has to give a speech. I've seen no proof that this man can talk. Supposedly, he talked to Marco Rivera at the Pro Bowl, but that's heresay.

He grunts occasionally, and spits tobacco juice from the wad of snuff in his lip. But that's about it.

Larry Allen wearing one of those yellow blazers and giving a speech. That outta be fun.
It will probably be the shortest speech in HOF history. Here's the text of it:

Thanks

[trickblue]

larry is unquestionably 1st-ballot material. name even one OG that inspired the kinda fear larry has induced during his glorious career.

you could plug him in anywhere and know he was just gonna kick the tail off of whoever lined up across from him. and often the fella backing him up, too.

he maybe a shell of his former self - but i wouldn't trade his decade of stellar play for anybody who ever played the O-line.

he was just a badda**.

The same fear, according to players of the era, that Rayfield Wright and Ralph Neely instilled... yet neither are in...

Larry will get in easily... but Neely and Wright should have been in long ago...

I am just saying that nothing is a given in regards to Cowboys and the HOF...

[Nors]

I think Aikman sneaks in first ballot. He was stud and won 3 SB, Is a good guy, articulate and doing well as a broadcaster. He's the player that will get ALL the bubble votes. Irvin the guy with character and off field issues that took him below bubble - JMO

Without NFL/Hall Super Bowl bias criteria you could actually build an argument against Troys career stats...

Emmitt, Allen - totally in and Aikman will as well for reasons stated above!

[Crown Royal]

What's going to be really interesting about Larry Allen's induction is the fact that he has to give a speech. I've seen no proof that this man can talk. Supposedly, he talked to Marco Rivera at the Pro Bowl, but that's heresay.

He grunts occasionally, and spits tobacco juice from the wad of snuff in his lip. But that's about it.

Larry Allen wearing one of those yellow blazers and giving a speech. That outta be fun.

:LMAO2:

I literally just woke people up in my house I laughed so hard at that. Thank you!

As for the topic, Allen is a shoe in for first ballot. He can't be denied, even those who dislike the Cowboys recognize that.

Irvin was never an obvious first ballot, and, if you want my opinion, I was very mildly surprised he even got on it. Aikman and Emmitt will also go first ballot.

[Billy Bullocks]

I've read things about opposing players catching "Allenitis" before playing the guy. He just hurts people, and his prime, there was a reason he was considered the best OL in the game.

[JakeCamp12]

LA is a definite first ballot HOF. When he gets inducted, it will be interesting to see if he picks a family member or former teammate to introduce him. The only sad part about the day is that it will remind you that the other great O-lineman from Dallas is not in there, Rayfield Wright.

[Jarv]

Rayfield Wright never gave up a sack...And is the only lineman on the all 70's team not in the HOF.

I would say have then entire HOF committee line up against Wright for one play and try to get to the QB. If they get by him, they can vote no.

My money is on Wright.

[jobberone]

Lets step back here:

Irvin will get in - JMO - but he was not a slam dunk player first ballot. Right there but on the bubble.

Emmitt Smith
Larry Allen
Troy Aikman are slam dunk ins

Absolutely right on here Nors. No way they don't put arguably the best tackle and guard to ever play into the HOF on the first ballot. Hell he's still all world 90% of the time.

[jobberone]

Rayfield Wright never gave up a sack...And is the only lineman on the all 70's team not in the HOF.

I would say have then entire HOF committee line up against Wright for one play and try to get to the QB. If they get by him, they can vote no.

My money is on Wright.

Lol. Good idea

[BrAinPaiNt]

Once again, overboard.
:hammer:

[jobberone]

:hammer:

I couldn't find a sledgehammer.

[Maikeru-sama]

No way. Luckily Allen is playing during the Sports Center, 24-hour news, Internet Era. A wide audience has been able to see him play and there is no way he can be overlooked.

I always said that only Emmitt and Allen were locks. Everyone else may have a problem.

- Mike G.

[dbair1967]

If they can snub Michael Irvin like they did Im sure when L.A. comes up for vote the haters on HOF committee will find a way to snub him to.

As bad as it sounds I wouldnt be surprised if they snub Aikman this year to.

we've had alot of snubs, but Allen is very arguably the greatest and most dominant OL in league history...he'll be a unanimous 1st ballot selection

David

[ABQCOWBOY]

It would be very sweet if Allan had Wright give his acceptance. It would never happen for several reasons, not the least of which would be the difficulty it would entail for Wright, but I would give a lot to see all those voters look Rayfield in the face knowing full well what they've done to him these many years. Would also be interesting to see how the rest of the HOFers treated that sito.

[btcutter]

if Allen doesn't get in on the first ballot then the entire voting committee needs to be thrown out. There hasn't been a more dominating OL over the last two decades if not ever.

[bbgun]

He'll get in, but the imperious writers have to get over this "first ballot" nonsense. This ain't MLB.

[Waffle]

I think Aikman sneaks in first ballot. He was stud and won 3 SB, Is a good guy, articulate and doing well as a broadcaster. He's the player that will get ALL the bubble votes. Irvin the guy with character and off field issues that took him below bubble - JMO

Without NFL/Hall Super Bowl bias criteria you could actually build an argument against Troys career stats...

Emmitt, Allen - totally in and Aikman will as well for reasons stated above!

I agree with all of this...including the part about Aikman. Aikman is in because of his SB MVP, three SB rings, longevity, accuracy, and his playoff record alone. He never really had the gaudy stats like a Marino, but then again... he doesn't need them to get in.

[Waffle]

we've had alot of snubs, but Allen is very arguably the greatest and most dominant OL in league history...he'll be a unanimous 1st ballot selection

David

The way Madden talks about him, I thought Larry Allen was already in the HOF. ;)

[Cbz40]

we've had alot of snubs, but Allen is very arguably the greatest and most dominant OL in league history...he'll be a unanimous 1st ballot selection

David


The way the voting has gone the last couple of years I would not be so sure.

[Manster68]

The way Madden talks about him, I thought Larry Allen was already in the HOF. ;)


You know, Madden talked the exact same way about Erik Williams - especially before his accident.

Erik Williams will never make the HOF even though I think there is not a better tackle in the game.

Hey, he was the only tackle to make Reggie White his ***** on an every game basis. He owned Reggie White so bad that,

1. He became the only offensive lineman ever to be named "Offensive Player of the Week" in Week 9 (game 8) of the 1992 season (Nov 1, 1992).

2. He beat Reggie to a pulp so bad that he went crying to the league after teh 1995 NFC Championship Game (which led to the Erik Williams "Hands in the Face" rule).

But Erik Williams will never sniff the Hall of Fame - when only Larry Allen is truly better as an overall offensive lineman.

[Manster68]

In fact, even after his accident, Dallas didn't have to worry about Simeon Rice (when he was in AZ), or William Fuller (during his stint in Philly in the mid 90s), or even Strahan early in his career.

Erik Williams beat teh daylights out of everybody.

How many times did you hear Bruce Smith's name called during both Super Bowls against Dallas? The All-Great one was a no-show.

[Jimz31]

First ballot.....second ballot.....do they get better between ballots? Does something happen where they weren't "worthy" prior?

Are those in the HoF that were inducted on their last shot looked at any differently than those that were in on their 2nd or 3rd shot?

I always thought it was funny about the "first ballot" arguement.

"He's good enough for the HoF, but just not yet." Think about that statement for a minute....

Someone is good enough for the HoF, put him in! They admit that someone is good enough for it, but just can't vote them in.....it's an oxymoron used by moron voters.

[Jimz31]

BTW, I'll guarantee that LA will not be unanimous. Mark it down. Is there any reason for it (the voters not to vote unanimously?) Nope.

[davidyee]

The way the voting has gone the last couple of years I would not be so sure.

...I know from reading your posts that you know your history. I would say that when Allen's name comes up in regards to the HOF you would have to believe the committee is considering John Hannah territory here.

The credibility of the HOF would be irreparably damaged with a poor vote on Allen. Which voter would put their professional reputation on the line for that.

Allen and Smith are locks and there is no one in the HOF committee who will put their neck on the chopping block for any simple Cowboy bias.

[davidyee]

You know, Madden talked the exact same way about Erik Williams - especially before his accident.

Erik Williams will never make the HOF even though I think there is not a better tackle in the game.

Hey, he was the only tackle to make Reggie White his ***** on an every game basis. He owned Reggie White so bad that,

1. He became the only offensive lineman ever to be named "Offensive Player of the Week" in Week 9 (game 8) of the 1992 season (Nov 1, 1992).

2. He beat Reggie to a pulp so bad that he went crying to the league after teh 1995 NFC Championship Game (which led to the Erik Williams "Hands in the Face" rule).

But Erik Williams will never sniff the Hall of Fame - when only Larry Allen is truly better as an overall offensive lineman.

... it's truly unfortunate what William's did to his career. Newton even told reporters that he was involved in motivating Erik because he believed that Erik had the potential to be the best lineman in the game ever.

The HOF is for stellar careers, not knuckleheads and a few good seasons. I believe it is telling that we have not read a "where are they now" story on Williams. Another story of incredible talent wasted.

[Pokes28]

I posted this earlier on the CPND, but since most of you don't frequent the enemy board, I'll post it here too.

I do think that there is an anti-Cowboys bias for the HOF. There are several guys that deserve to go in my opinion from the Cowboys teams that went to so many Superbowls.

1. Bob Hayes - The fact that he isn't in the HoF is the biggest travesty there is. The guy did for the WR position what LT did for the Linebacking position.

2. Rayfield Wright - Him not being in the Hall isn't as shocking to me as Hayes, but still a major oversight. One of two All-Decade players from the 70s not in the HoF. (every All-Decade player from the 50s and 60s are in the HoF)

3. Lee Roy Jordan - Definitely deserves more consideration than he's gotten (I believe he's never even made it to the final vote).

4. Drew Pearson - How does an All-Decade player not get even consideration for the Hall?

5. Everson Walls - On every major CB stat, every player that has better than him that is eligible is in the Hall.

If there is a bias, it will be show with the '90s Cowboys -

1. Emmitt Smith - First ballot
2. Troy Aikman - First ballot
3. Michael Irvin - Will get in, but just not first ballot
4. Deion Sanders - Not a true Cowboy, but he did as much for Dallas as any other team, but first ballot when he's eligible.
5. Charles Haley - I think he will get in, but may be a while
6. Larry Allen - First Ballot

Then you have guys that I think will probably end up close but no cigar:
1. Darren Woodson
2. Jay Novacek
3. Daryl Johnston

And guys that have blown it by how they lived/died:
1. Nate Newton
2. Mark Tuinei
3. Leon Lett

And guys that were good/great for Dallas, but won't get mentioned.
1. Erik Williams
2. Mark Stepnoski
3. Tony Tollbert

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

[WoodysGirl]

I posted this earlier on the CPND, but since most of you don't frequent the enemy board, I'll post it here too.

I do think that there is an anti-Cowboys bias for the HOF. There are several guys that deserve to go in my opinion from the Cowboys teams that went to so many Superbowls.

1. Bob Hayes - The fact that he isn't in the HoF is the biggest travesty there is. The guy did for the WR position what LT did for the Linebacking position.

2. Rayfield Wright - Him not being in the Hall isn't as shocking to me as Hayes, but still a major oversight. One of two All-Decade players from the 70s not in the HoF. (every All-Decade player from the 50s and 60s are in the HoF)

3. Lee Roy Jordan - Definitely deserves more consideration than he's gotten (I believe he's never even made it to the final vote).

4. Drew Pearson - How does an All-Decade player not get even consideration for the Hall?

5. Everson Walls - On every major CB stat, every player that has better than him that is eligible is in the Hall.

If there is a bias, it will be show with the '90s Cowboys -

1. Emmitt Smith - First ballot
2. Troy Aikman - First ballot
3. Michael Irvin - Will get in, but just not first ballot
4. Deion Sanders - Not a true Cowboy, but he did as much for Dallas as any other team, but first ballot when he's eligible.
5. Charles Haley - I think he will get in, but may be a while
6. Larry Allen - First Ballot

Then you have guys that I think will probably end up close but no cigar:
1. Darren Woodson
2. Jay Novacek
3. Daryl Johnston

And guys that have blown it by how they lived/died:
1. Nate Newton
2. Mark Tuinei
3. Leon Lett

And guys that were good/great for Dallas, but won't get mentioned.
1. Erik Williams
2. Mark Stepnoski
3. Tony Tollbert

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe TheismannNot sure who the enemy board is, but no matter. Great post.

[Pokes28]

CPND is one of the top Redskins boards. Basically you have it and ExtremeSkins.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[trickblue]

First ballot.....second ballot.....do they get better between ballots? Does something happen where they weren't "worthy" prior?

Are those in the HoF that were inducted on their last shot looked at any differently than those that were in on their 2nd or 3rd shot?

I always thought it was funny about the "first ballot" arguement.

"He's good enough for the HoF, but just not yet." Think about that statement for a minute....

Someone is good enough for the HoF, put him in! They admit that someone is good enough for it, but just can't vote them in.....it's an oxymoron used by moron voters.

I agree completely... i think these smarmy sportswriters sit there and vote against them first ballot knowing they will get in eventually...

When they do make it in... they think to themselves "There... he's in... but I helped prevent him on the first ballot... I've done my job"...

What is the mindset there? I will tell you... when they write there articles they always seem to say "Young, a first ballot hall of famer" or "Irvin... a third ballot hall of famer"... it's their way of getting their digs in as somehow a first ballot guy is better than a 3rd ballot guy...

Bottom line... if you are a HOF'er... you are a HOF'er... regardless of what ballot you got in on...

The irony is how newspapers always scream "freedom of the press" or "the public has a right to know"... yet when it comes to publicizing their OWN votes, they want to keep it a secret... how hypocritical...

I can name you 3 or 4 dozen posters here that know more about football than 90% of the "professional" sportswriters... it's a shame when internet posters like many here can do a sportswriters job better than they can do it themselves...

[blindzebra]

What needs to be done is spend one year, this year would have been a good one with so few quality first ballot players, to enshrine all the past oversights.

When you have only a spot or two for the old-timers they will never get in, especially when the voters can put in some of the 90's players to take the shine off the bias debate.

[TruBlueCowboy]

It will probably be the shortest speech in HOF history. Here's the text of it:

Thanks

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Chief is right on. Larry Allen seems like one of those fellas who is painfully shy of public speaking. He better pick a good inductor. :D That's what I'm anxious to see. Who these guys pick to introduce them. I wonder if Jimmy Johnson or Jerry Jones will get a nod.

[Crown Royal]

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Chief is right on. Larry Allen seems like one of those fellas who is painfully shy of public speaking. He better pick a good inductor. :D That's what I'm anxious to see. Who these guys pick to introduce them. I wonder if Jimmy Johnson or Jerry Jones will get a nod.

I agree. But hey, I can respect a guy who values his privacy and isn't long winded. I mean, that is obviously the opposite of me (noone in the world loves the sound of their own voice more:D), but you gotta respect the man....

[Waffle]

I know we've been talking about players here, but Jerry Jones will also be inducted into the HOF.

(I can already hear all the "lip-smacking" during the speech. :o: )