Shelton Released [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Dale

05-18-2005, 05:56 PM

Thought he was a LT? :confused:

Thought that's why there was a trade scenario between the Bills and AZ. Bills needed to upgrade the LT spot.

You're correct.

"Shelton, a first-round pick of the Cardinals in 1999, had been the steadiest offensive line starter as a left tackle since 2000."

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=41596

LaTunaNostra

05-18-2005, 06:00 PM

Sign Him!!!

junk

05-18-2005, 06:01 PM

You're correct.

"Shelton, a first-round pick of the Cardinals in 1999, had been the steadiest offensive line starter as a left tackle since 2000."

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=41596

Uh oh. We know Dallas has problems moving tackles from left to right. :D

I take a flyer on him if it didn't cost too much. A two year deal perhaps?

From ESPN:

Shelton is a good athlete for his size, he has tremendous upper body strength, he shows a good initial punch, he extends his arms, and when he is locked onto a defender, he can be very effective. At left tackle, he does not have what you are looking for athletically but he can be effective if he can get his hands on the defender, lock on with his long arms, and simply ride the speed rusher past the pocket. However, if you put him on an island and ask him to be an athlete and to handle double moves or great first-step quickness, he is going to be in big trouble as he is simply not very good in space. Because of his size, Shelton can dominate at the point of attack. Will push the pile in the running game, comes off the ball hard and can simply overpower DL to get the job done. He needs to continue to improve his footwork, but he has a good work ethic and will certainly give you good effort. Shelton has been somewhat of a disappointment thus far but he is still young enough to salvage a nice career if he's eventually moved inside to guard.

k19

05-18-2005, 06:02 PM

Sign Him!!!

I second that

Hostile

05-18-2005, 06:08 PM

Yeagermeister

05-18-2005, 06:09 PM

Don't do that to me.....My boss is named Shelton :D

CanadaBoys

05-18-2005, 06:10 PM

from a money standpoint I'm still for signing Chris Terry, who is a natural RT.....

but if we wwere to sign Shelton and then mopve whoever was a better fit at RT over (between Flo and him) I think we would be looking pretty darn good on the OL.

CanadaBoys

05-18-2005, 06:11 PM

I think I'd prefer we pass.

As worried as I am about RT, Shelton has been an under achiever since being drafted. I've hard the misfortune to see him play a lot. He is too inconsistent.

His price tag will not be small. If we're going to look for a RT, I prefer we look for someone with more heart.

Hos... I think with better coaching he would be much more consistent..... you need a good OL coach as much as you need to have the players.

Hostile

05-18-2005, 06:14 PM

Hos... I think with better coaching he would be much more consistent..... you need a good OL coach as much as you need to have the players.You know what though? Some guys are just dogs and coaching has nothing to do with it. I can't sit here and say Denny Green is a poor coach. I like Denny a lot. I have a ton of respect for him.

We have a new OL Coach coming in, hard for me to gaurantee he's going to set anyone on fire yet.

For this guy's price tag...no thanks.

If it happens that we go after him, so be it. I don't think we will.

baj1dallas

05-18-2005, 06:18 PM

You know what though? Some guys are just dogs and coaching has nothing to do with it. I can't sit here and say Denny Green is a poor coach. I like Denny a lot. I have a ton of respect for him.

We have a new OL Coach coming in, hard for me to gaurantee he's going to set anyone on fire yet.

For this guy's price tag...no thanks.

If it happens that we go after him, so be it. I don't think we will.

Hos your reasoning is strong. It probably doesn't appeal to most of the more emotional posters around here, but logically there's not much reason to expect that this is the type of guy who's going to fit in well here with Parcells.

Hostile

05-18-2005, 06:21 PM

Hos your reasoning is strong. It probably doesn't appeal to most of the more emotional posters around here, but logically there's not much reason to expect that this is the type of guy who's going to fit in well here with Parcells.Former 1st round draft pick does not equal improvement.

It can, but it isn't guaranteed at all.

Duane

05-18-2005, 06:26 PM

Former 1st round draft pick does not equal improvement.

It can, but it isn't guaranteed at all.
:hammer:

Cbz40

05-18-2005, 06:30 PM

Former 1st round draft pick does not equal improvement.

It can, but it isn't guaranteed at all.

Hos you are putting the :hammer: on the head today.

LaTunaNostra

05-18-2005, 08:47 PM

I think Denny Green is the six to Shelton's half dozen here. Shelton may never have become Tony Boselli, but I don't think he qualifies as a career underachiever. Fact is he is expendable now in AZ as they have some younger, cheaper, and good linemen.
And now in AZ, he would be merely a swing tackle, and he wants to start.

I do know that Shelton came to camp over weight last year. He claimed he piled on some pounds when recovering from two surgeries. But he met the challenge of being replaced (by Leonard Davis, wasn't it?) at LT by publically proclaiming he would do his best to learn both the RT and guard positions. Which he apparently did til he got injured and went on IR?

How many games did this guy start in his career? I think he's versatile and not a bad egg.

I like Denny Green too, think he's a darn fine coach but when he does not like YOU, he does not like you.

And even if he likes you, he's apt to sit you for Shaun King and blow the season..

I remembered reading a story last year in which Emmitt said when LT came back, hole opened galore, and just looked it up. The guy attempted to learn new positions after ten years in the league, not just RT but guard.

This article sounds about right to me.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/ARI/7773974

And this one he is at least SAYING the right things.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=2209

Manster68

05-18-2005, 08:57 PM

I hope Dallas plays the hand that has already been dealt to them. Meaning that they let Tucker, Vollers, Rogers, and Petitti battle it out.

LaTunaNostra

05-18-2005, 08:59 PM

I hope Dallas plays the hand that has already been dealt to them. Meaning that they let Tucker, Vollers, Rogers, and Petitti battle it out.
Hopefully one or more could become starters.

But a vet swing tackle would be valuable. And even more so if reasonably priced.

GOD FORBID Flo go down.

DLCassidy

05-18-2005, 09:04 PM

The only reason this guy is getting so much attention is because he was a first round pick, not because of his play which has been just average. I'm not sure Buffalo, who right now is looking at Mike Gandy as their starting LT, is sold on Shelton either. If they were, Travis Henry would have been a Cardinal 6 weeks ago. After all he had a $3m contract (modest by LT standards), has good size and is still young. But in addition to Shelton Buffalo demanded AZ exchange 2nd round draft picks with them which AZ refused to do. Donahoe's a tough negotiator but his hard line on Shelton tells you they weren't that high on him.

I'd be in no rush to pull out the checkbook for Shelton. If Petiti can keep his weight in check and work hard he may have more upside than Shelton.

HeHateMe

05-18-2005, 09:12 PM

No reason to not go after him.

LaTunaNostra

05-18-2005, 09:15 PM

I'm not sure Buffalo, who right now is looking at Mike Gandy as their starting LT, is sold on Shelton either. If they were, Travis Henry would have been a Cardinal 6 weeks ago. After all he had a $3m contract (modest by LT standards), has good size and is still young. But in addition to Shelton Buffalo demanded AZ exchange 2nd round draft picks with them which AZ refused to do. Donahoe's a tough negotiator but his hard line on Shelton tells you they weren't that high on him.

I'd be in no rush to pull out the checkbook for Shelton. If Petiti can keep his weight in check and work hard he may have more upside than Shelton.

DL, I think on that one Donahoe's never ending quest to one-up someone ended with him screwing himself. Ha ha.

I think the very fact Tom has any interest in LT at all indicates Shelton can still play.

I look at it this way: Tommy Boy is on his very last leg in Buffalo before Ralph Wilson kicks it out from under him. The decision to go with Losman MUST work, or least look like it will in a reasonable amount of time. A first year QB's bestest friend is his left tackle, and this left tackle has to not just protect JP's blind side, but Tommy's job.

I hope Nors doesn't see this but the loss of Jennings (who wanted too much money, can't blame Tom there) effectively sabotaged Drew Bledsoe. Tom won't let a putrid line be the reason he goes down, even if he was willing to let Drew go down with one. So Shelton has to have something left or Donahoe won't be betting his job on him.

DLCassidy

05-18-2005, 09:33 PM

DL, I think on that one Donahoe's never ending quest to one-up someone ended with him screwing himself. Ha ha.

I think the very fact Tom has any interest in LT at all indicates Shelton can still play.

Not really- it just means that when you candidates for starting LT are a guy released by the Bears (Gandy) a guy who's never played the position in his life (Peters) and a guy who was let go by the Broncos (Teague), Shelton is worth thinking about. The fact that all the Bills had at LT was that rather sad group and they still played hardball on Shelton doesn't say too much for Shelton IMO. And if he really wants Shelton that bad he can have him now without trading anything- so who gets the last laugh?

I look at it this way: Tommy Boy is on his very last leg in Buffalo before Ralph Wilson kicks it out from under him. The decision to go with Losman MUST work, or least look like it will in a reasonable amount of time. A first year QB's bestest friend is his left tackle, and this left tackle has to not just protect JP's blind side, but Tommy's job.

I hope Nors doesn't see this but the loss of Jennings (who wanted too much money, can't blame Tom there) effectively sabotaged Drew Bledsoe. Tom won't let a putrid line be the reason he goes down, even if he was willing to let Drew go down with one. So Shelton has to have something left or Donahoe won't be betting his job on him.

If Donahoe really felt the way you say he would have made the deal for Shelton. The fact is he didn't and now Shelton can go to the highest bidder which may or may not be the Bills. Maybe Shelton ends up in Buffalo. But if you felt your job was on the line if you didn't acquire a player would you play hardball negotiating a trade for him? Not if you really thought he your sure fire answer at LT.

LaTunaNostra

05-18-2005, 09:47 PM

And if he really wants Shelton that bad he can have him now without trading anything- so who gets the last laugh?[quote]

Life has a way of coming back at Tom. I hope it's in the form of a Shelton signing tomorrow (by any team other than the Bills). And let's see what he gets for Henry....my money is on more egg on Tom's face.

[quote]If Donahoe really felt the way you say he would have made the deal for Shelton. The fact is he didn't and now Shelton can go to the highest bidder which may or may not be the Bills. Maybe Shelton ends up in Buffalo. But if you felt your job was on the line if you didn't acquire a player would you play hardball negotiating a trade for him? Not if you really thought he your sure fire answer at LT.

Do you know Tom's history in Squealerville? Inevitably he Machaivellianed himself out of a job. And his hated "rival" was the "simpleton" straight arrow Cowher.

Tom's one of those guys who thinks he's smarter than anyone else, and then outsmarts himself.

we shall see how this one plays out..

5mics

05-18-2005, 10:09 PM

Bring him in to see what his price would be. What could it hurt?

Hostile

05-18-2005, 10:26 PM

Bring him in to see what his price would be. What could it hurt?The development of Tucker, Pettiti, Rogers or Vollers and our available cap space.

5mics

05-19-2005, 01:32 AM

The development of Tucker, Pettiti, Rogers or Vollers and our available cap space.
Hos, I'm rooting for Tucker to strongly take the RT position but if we can find better talent, then we should go after it. All I'm saying is we invite Shelton for a look, have our coaches evaluate him, see if he'd be an upgrade, and see what his asking price would be. IF all those "stars" align, then we should sign him. IF not, then send him on his way. Leave no stones unturned.....especially w/ Bledsoe back there...

cowheel

05-19-2005, 08:51 AM

Compacity

05-19-2005, 09:02 AM

I second that

I support it and I don't support it... Both haves its advantages and disadvantages...

Don't support signing LJ Shelton means are you sure about Kurt Vollers, Torrin Tucker, and Jacobs Rogers if they could play Right Tackle.

Support signing LJ Shelton means if he comes to Dallas and he's real good and can beat the competition for the Right Tackle spot, I say sign him...

But lets see what happens...

and somebody mention he had a past injury...

You got to really look at the real picture... Jerry Jones feels he has enough risks out on the field as it is... and you have to look at how serious his injury is to Offensive Tackles...like compare him to other good offensive tackles that had the same injury he did....

Eddie

05-19-2005, 09:05 AM

Why not bring him in? It's not like Flo has been lighting it up.

No handouts for starting jobs. Heck, if LJ wins the LT spot, move Flo over to RT. That would give us a tremendous OL.

I'm all for it.

DLCassidy

05-19-2005, 09:07 AM

I think Denny Green is the six to Shelton's half dozen here. Shelton may never have become Tony Boselli, but I don't think he qualifies as a career underachiever. Fact is he is expendable now in AZ as they have some younger, cheaper, and good linemen.
And now in AZ, he would be merely a swing tackle, and he wants to start.
Fair enough.

I do know that Shelton came to camp over weight last year. He claimed he piled on some pounds when recovering from two surgeries. But he met the challenge of being replaced (by Leonard Davis, wasn't it?) at LT by publically proclaiming he would do his best to learn both the RT and guard positions. Which he apparently did til he got injured and went on IR?

How many games did this guy start in his career? I think he's versatile and not a bad egg.
Agreed.

I like Denny Green too, think he's a darn fine coach but when he does not like YOU, he does not like you.

And even if he likes you, he's apt to sit you for Shaun King and blow the season..
:laugh1:

I remembered reading a story last year in which Emmitt said when LT came back, hole opened galore, and just looked it up. The guy attempted to learn new positions after ten years in the league, not just RT but guard.

This article sounds about right to me.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/ARI/7773974

And this one he is at least SAYING the right things.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=2209

I think Shelton's a decent player. I wouldn't be sad if we signed him or sad if we didn't. BTW, he's only been in the league 6 years not 10.

davey999

05-19-2005, 09:12 AM

Vollers - Nothing more than a journeyman, stop gap measure.
Rogers - already shown cannot adapt to RT
Pettiti - massive project, no chance ready to step in this year
Tucker - some upside

Bring Shelton in.

DLCassidy

05-19-2005, 09:27 AM

Life has a way of coming back at Tom. I hope it's in the form of a Shelton signing tomorrow (by any team other than the Bills). And let's see what he gets for Henry....my money is on more egg on Tom's face.

Do you know Tom's history in Squealerville? Inevitably he Machaivellianed himself out of a job. And his hated "rival" was the "simpleton" straight arrow Cowher.

Tom's one of those guys who thinks he's smarter than anyone else, and then outsmarts himself.

we shall see how this one plays out..

Ok, you don't like TD. He isn't a guy that gets a lot of neutral opinions. Say what you like the man doesn't lack balls. He has a daily double going- the first was getting a late 1st round pick for Peerless Price and turning it into Willis McGahee, a move which was widely questioned at the time but now looks brilliant. The 2nd half of the daily double is his deal for Losman. We'll know more about that gambit in a year or two, and you're right, how the Buffalo OL performs will be a big factor in how Losman does. If TD hits big on Losman, he'll be bullet proof in B Lo.

ABQCOWBOY

05-19-2005, 10:05 AM

This guy plays three positions. LJ Shelton has been a pretty decent player for AZ in his career and that is saying something. Think about how many 1st rounders washed out in AZ. I can't see breaking any banks over him but I would definatly consider him if he's healthy. Rivera may be fine but he may not be. Flo may get his shyt together but he might not. Our RT position may get decided this off season but would anybody bet on that? How long can Larry go? Terry is a talented player but he too has issues. Do you want to buy Terry's history with a big contract? There are plus and minus to this thing but the fact that he plays both Tackle and Guard is huge IMO.

Could not hurt to check his pulse and see if there's opportunity.

Charles

05-19-2005, 11:23 AM

The development of Tucker, Pettiti, Rogers or Vollers and our available cap space.
If their good enough it shouldn't matter. Cream always rises to the top.

Eddie

05-19-2005, 11:50 AM

If we're go worried about the development of our young players, why was Drew Bledsoe brought in???

Charles

05-19-2005, 11:54 AM

If we're go worried about the development of our young players, why was Drew Bledsoe brought in???
Or Ferguson or Marco Rivera

I agree.

If whomever is in the developmental stage can't take the gig or beat out an incumbent then they have no reason being on the field.

Why should the presence of players who haven't done squat limit the Cowboys is acquiring possible upgrades?

OKC.DC.Fan

05-19-2005, 01:18 PM

this the guy they took at 10 and everyone said it was a stupid pick?

InmanRoshi

05-19-2005, 01:26 PM

He really doesn't do anything for me. The Cardinals paid big dollars to Oliver Ross, who is hardly Art Shell himself, to upgrade the position. He's a mediocre starter. The kind you are always looking to upgrade. I believe that is something Tucker and Vollers are fully capable of living up to in-house.

Seven

05-19-2005, 02:46 PM

This has been speculated for a while, especially since the Cardinals signed Oliver Ross. Denny Green has really put the nuke bomb to that OL.

Amen brother!! I don't know what it is but Denny hasn't liked these guys since day one of his arruval. Especially LJ. Had him riding pine for awhile when he first took over the HC duty. LJ really isn't that bad I just think he underperformed cause he and Denny didn't get along.......at all. Funny thing is, he likes Bubba Franks. I don't get that.