Spags Ranch Report on Ellis (Transcribed)

[WoodysGirl]

Question: Surprised by Ellis story in the newspaper?

Answer:
Surprised that it showed up a month later.

It was pretty obvious during the last minicamp that Ellis probably wasn't feeling very secure about his spot because he wasn't in the lockerroom during those minicamp days and normally he's one of those guys that are talking to the media.

So it was pretty obvious that when he wasn't talking, he wasn't feeling real good about his situation. After the last minicamp practice walking off the indoor practice facility. Overheard a conversation between BP and Ellis and BP seemed to be giving Ellis a pep talk. Telling him so and so moved from this side to that side and really did well and I expect you can do that.

So no it didn't come out of left field, just that it took that long to surface. But I think Bill Parcells has got a big sales job on his hand. He's gonna have to sell guys like Ellis and Glover that this move to the 3-4 defense is not only good for the team and good for the individual.

Guys look at their own situation and look at their own money. While he signed a six year 24 mil extension a couple weeks into the '03 season, I'm he's looking at that $500k roster bonus due next year for his contract to continue. And I'm sure he's looking at that and wondering Gosh if they don't pay that then I'm out on the street looking for another job.

So he's looking down at the right side of the 3-4 and his main concern

What he has going for him is that his base salary next year is not that high. It's only 2.250m and add $500k and that's 2.75m for a guy who either is starting for you or playing 60% of the time. The team can afford that. I don't know if he has to worry about that as much as he has to worry about being there and being productive. Because at this point, they don't have anybody else to play that spot. You can't go into TC saying oh you got Chris Canty who could've been a 1st round pick. Is that eye gonna be ok? Is that knee gonna be ok? He's gonna be ready to start as a rookie in the season opener? So there's a spot for Greg Ellis and if it's my team there's always a spot for a Greg Ellis.

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[dbair1967]

Question: You can't go into TC saying oh you got Chris Canty who could've been a 1st round pick. Is that eye gonna be ok? Is that knee gonna be ok? He's gonna be ready to start as a rookie in the season opener? So there's a spot for Greg Ellis and if it's my team there's always a spot for a Greg Ellis.
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the knuckleheads will suggest we move Glover to DE permanently, or perhaps the even more outlandish suggest that 7th rd pick Jay Ratliff can easily replce Ellis

:rolleyes:

The Mickeroo is 100% correct...trading or releasing Ellis aint gonna happen this yr

David

[MichaelWinicki]

the knuckleheads will suggest we move Glover to DE permanently, or perhaps the even more outlandish suggest that 7th rd pick Jay Ratliff can easily replce Ellis

:rolleyes:

The Mickeroo is 100% correct...trading or releasing Ellis aint gonna happen this yr

David


Don't you know it's often the case when a 7th rounder can come in and kick the arse of a 1st rounder... and the guy that has led this team in sacks the last few years?

[dbair1967]

Don't you know it's often the case when a 7th rounder can come in and kick the arse of a 1st rounder... and the guy that has led this team in sacks the last few years?

in a certain someone's fantasy land mind, yeah that happens alot

kinda like trading for Ty Law or really believing that UDFA scrub Tony Romo is a better talent than Drew Henson

David

[LaTunaNostra]

Question: After the last minicamp practice walking off the indoor practice facility. Overheard a conversation between BP and Ellis and BP seemed to be giving Ellis a pep talk. Telling him so and so moved from this side to that side and really did well and I expect you can do that.

Well, the blow up supposedly occured the FIRST day of practice, didn't it?

But by the end of the minicamp, Tuna was back to 'coaching up' and way off 'threatening' mode. Convincing a worried player he can do it.

That's ALL I wanna hear.

[junk]

I am not selling Ratliff short. All reports have been positives.

Ferguson was a late round pick himself.

But, I do see your point, he is going to have to be something special to unseat an established vet.

[dbair1967]

I am not selling Ratliff short. All reports have been positives.

Ferguson was a late round pick himself.

But, I do see your point, he is going to have to be something special to unseat an established vet.

I wont be surprised if Ratliff makes the team at all, but he isnt going to start at DE unless some people get hurt...somewhere in future seasons perhaps, but not anytime soon

David

[InmanRoshi]

Overheard a conversation between BP and Ellis and BP seemed to be giving Ellis a pep talk. Telling him so and so moved from this side to that side and really did well and I expect you can do that.

Seems to be a stark departure from the 2 dimensional chariacture of how Bill Parcells is displayed by some.

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[SA_Gunslinger]

i trust mick's response...he's around the team way more than me.

[dargonking999]

Now hopefulyl we can end of all of this Ellis was beinga man.....and how we need o trade hom for this or that.

[JakeCamp12]

Ellis and Glover are going to be here, because they are leaders and BP likes veteran leaders that he can depend on. Does he have to sell Ellis and Glover on this? YES! I am betting the thing that is annoying BP is that he feels he knows what is best for the team and the player, and the players are not trusting him. BP is not going to go into the season knowing he has put Ellis in a position to fail. This is a make or break season for BP. If this team does not improve, then his reputation will be hurt and his legacy and career could end on a down note. As he said, he is too old to lose. I really don't see this being an issue once training camp starts.

[rojan]

Since we are gettin the info a month late I wonder what had been gopin on @ te ranch the last month...Did anyone else have a heated aruement with Parcells, Why would Mick sound so cocky is sayin O that finally got out, why didnt you get it out to us the 1st day it happened u idiot. What are you scared of Parcells too.

[Doomsday101]

Since we are gettin the info a month late I wonder what had been gopin on @ te ranch the last month...Did anyone else have a heated aruement with Parcells, Why would Mick sound so cocky is sayin O that finally got out, why didnt you get it out to us the 1st day it happened u idiot. What are you scared of Parcells too.

Too bad the story got out at all, there are lots of things that take place in the locker room and behind closed doors that will never get out and that is the way it should be. Every year I played sports 1 common all coaches had was the same old saying "What goes on behind these doors stays behind these doors" An incident like this benefits no one and can only create more problems as the media and talk shows will jump all over it keeping it a hot button issue.

[dargonking999]

Since we are gettin the info a month late I wonder what had been gopin on @ te ranch the last month...Did anyone else have a heated aruement with Parcells, Why would Mick sound so cocky is sayin O that finally got out, why didnt you get it out to us the 1st day it happened u idiot. What are you scared of Parcells too.


MAybe becuse it was a closed doors metting, and what happened shoudl have never even gotten out?

[CIWhitefish]

Well, the blow up supposedly occured the FIRST day of practice, didn't it?

But by the end of the minicamp, Tuna was back to 'coaching up' and way off 'threatening' mode. Convincing a worried player he can do it.

That's ALL I wanna hear.

LTN, I'm with you 100%. This ends it for me anyway.

Let's look to the future and not the past anymore. Even with the question marks (that every team has by the way) there is a lot to look forward to the year. I for one am excited!

[Alexander]

Well, the blow up supposedly occured the FIRST day of practice, didn't it?

But by the end of the minicamp, Tuna was back to 'coaching up' and way off 'threatening' mode. Convincing a worried player he can do it.

That's ALL I wanna hear.

That should be all anyone needs to hear.

The flak that Parcells has been taking from this is equal to the tar and feathering that Ellis has had.

Thanks for taking the time to transcribe, WG.

Even though it is Spagnola, it is a little better than hearing from Taylor.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Too bad the story got out at all, there are lots of things that take place in the locker room and behind closed doors that will never get out and that is the way it should be. Every year I played sports 1 common all coaches had was the same old saying "What goes on behind these doors stays behind these doors" An incident like this benefits no one and can only create more problems as the media and talk shows will jump all over it keeping it a hot button issue.


I agree with this.

[Doomsday101]

I agree with this.

It was normally on the 1st day of training the every coach I had gave almost the identical speech about keeping our business behind closed doors. Although most of the time it was to keep parents out of the equation not the press. LOL

[Seven]

Too bad the story got out at all, there are lots of things that take place in the locker room and behind closed doors that will never get out and that is the way it should be. Every year I played sports 1 common all coaches had was the same old saying "What goes on behind these doors stays behind these doors" An incident like this benefits no one and can only create more problems as the media and talk shows will jump all over it keeping it a hot button issue.

Not to mention little 'ol message boards...................

[dstew60105]

in a certain someone's fantasy land mind, yeah that happens alot

kinda like trading for Ty Law or really believing that UDFA scrub Tony Romo is a better talent than Drew Henson

David

Some people are about as sharp as a marble. Greg Ellis is not going anywhere. BP like's character guys and Ellis leads the team in that department.

Don

[Alexander]

Some people are about as sharp as a marble. Greg Ellis is not going anywhere. BP like's character guys and Ellis leads the team in that department.

Don

BP loves big linebackers, which is why we have Dat Nguyen and Al Singleton.

Wait. Hold on. I will think of something Parcells supposedly "likes" and is completely predictable about.

[kartr]

Henson in 2005
Henson in 2006
Henson in 2007
Henson in 2008
Henson in Hell freezes over LOL

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Henson in 2005
Henson in 2006
Henson in 2007
Henson in 2008
Henson in Hell freezes over LOL

Hello troll. How are you doing today? Is it nice under your bridge?

[burmafrd]

Henson. Kind of makes me think of Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Tony Banks, Akili Smith, etc. Or our other former baseball/QB types. Not exactly a good thing.

[dbair1967]

Henson. Kind of makes me think of Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Tony Banks, Akili Smith, etc. Or our other former baseball/QB types. Not exactly a good thing.

funny, Henson doesnt remind me any of those guys

David

[dbair1967]

Henson in 2005
Henson in 2006
Henson in 2007
Henson in 2008
Henson in Hell freezes over LOL

troll boy...hows your hero's job hunt going? I bet the interest is really firing up in the dope fiend now that camp is closing in....NOT

:laugh2:

David

[Dale]

the knuckleheads will suggest we move Glover to DE permanently, or perhaps the even more outlandish suggest that 7th rd pick Jay Ratliff can easily replce Ellis

:rolleyes:

The Mickeroo is 100% correct...trading or releasing Ellis aint gonna happen this yr

David

I see what you're saying. I think my counterpoint in such a situation would be that if we actually got a good offer for Ellis and were able to acquire a player that could potentially give us as much impact at another position, I'd possibly be willing to take the chance at defensive end and just cross my fingers that one of our players works out. But unless you're getting a guaranteed starter in return, I don't think we should just give up on the guy -- because, realistically, while we value Ellis, is he a guy that will really be considered a "hot commodity" around the league?

[dbair1967]

I don't think we should just give up on the guy -- because, realistically, while we value Ellis, is he a guy that will really be considered a "hot commodity" around the league?

I guess it depends...some teams would probably be ecstatic to land Ellis...say Indy for instance...they would have the leagues best pair of DE's in Ellis and Freeney and he'd be a big upgrade to a talent poor defensive team...teams like Kansas City, Green Bay, the Rams and others immediately come to mind as teams that would be pretty interested in getting him...

I wouldnt trade him unless we got a 1st rd pick for him (at least) or a proven quality starter in his prime at a position we need major help at

David

[Nors]

My money is we are picking up the phone and making feelers on his marketability or at a minimum answering the phone.

[Hostile]

My money is we are picking up the phone and making feelers on his marketability or at a minimum answering the phone.I seriously doubt it. Bill Parcells is not stupid enough to think he can achieve the success he wants this year with too many unproven players. You can't put a price on proven veteran quality players who aren't chemistry or character problems on a team.

In other words, though players like Singleton and Ellis have diminished roles in the new scheme they do not have diminished value in the huddle, once the whistle blows, and in all things Team related. You can't put a price on character and leadership.

[dbair1967]

My money is we are picking up the phone and making feelers on his marketability or at a minimum answering the phone.

I have some beachfront property in Arizona to speak to you about

David

[da_boyz_mk]

i may be totally wrong about this but my take on the whole situation is that by the time the regular season starts this whole thing will be a non issue.

[Nors]

David:

Brownsugaer is real quite on the Howard househunting looks in Dallas. What happened to that trade? Your off season predictions are 100% in SHAMBLES!

Trust me - Screaming matches with Parcells where a player has called out Coach in the Press is not good for long term job security. He may see the end of this year - and at age 31 likely out.....

[Hostile]

David:

Brownsugaer is real quite on the Howard househunting looks in Dallas. What happened to that trade? Your off season predictions are 100% in SHAMBLES!

Trust me - Screaming matches with Parcells where a player has called out Coach in the Press is not good for long term job security. He may see the end of this year - and at age 31 likely out.....Tell that to Larry Allen. I believe he is still here.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tell that to Larry Allen. I believe he is still here.

True, but Parcells needed Allen more than he needs Ellis longterm.

Now I am not like Nors in that i dont tink its automatic that he goes. To me it comes down to whetether or not in the years to come Ellis will be satified with a rotational spot (i.e. not starting) especially as he rides into his thirties and also whether the Cowboys feel hes worth the $3 mil a year that hes going to cost.

Id say its 50/50. But we shall see.

[dbair1967]

David:

Brownsugaer is real quite on the Howard househunting looks in Dallas. What happened to that trade? Your off season predictions are 100% in SHAMBLES!

Trust me - Screaming matches with Parcells where a player has called out Coach in the Press is not good for long term job security. He may see the end of this year - and at age 31 likely out.....

uh Nors, what exactly did Ellis do to "call out the coach in the press"?

David

[Hostile]

True, but Parcells needed Allen more than he needs Ellis longterm.

Now I am not like Nors in that i dont tink its automatic that he goes. To me it comes down to whetether or not in the years to come Ellis will be satified with a rotational spot (i.e. not starting) especially as he rides into his thirties and also whether the Cowboys feel hes worth the $3 mil a year that hes going to cost.

Id say its 50/50. But we shall see.We agree. I never see things in absolutes. It is foolish to think anything is set in stone regarding this. As I said in another thread, no way we go into this season with high expectations relying on all unproven players. Ellis will have a role in 2005. Beyond that is too far down the road to be talking about while a promising season is in front of us.