Training Camp Press Conference - July 29, 2PM Central

[fishspill]

Thought I'd try to contribute by giving a heads up. I know it will be on 1310 AM in Dallas. Here's a link to the station's homepage:

The Ticket (http://www.theticket.com/)

It may also be on the Cowboys' home page, but I'm not positive:

Cowboys Homepage (www.dallascowboys.com)

Hope this helps.

[dargonking999]

oh man thanks i forgot about that press confernce

[Hostile]

Thought I'd try to contribute by giving a heads up. I know it will be on 1310 AM in Dallas. Here's a link to the station's homepage:

The Ticket (http://www.theticket.com/)

It may also be on the Cowboys' home page, but I'm not positive:

Cowboys Homepage (http://www.dallascowboys.com)

Hope this helps.Much appreciation.

[TheSkaven]

I'm working from home tomorrow - I'll write a summary for those stuck at their desks.

[Jimz31]

Please post good notes for those of us who have recently had their employers take away the ability to listen over the internet...."bandwidth" is the excuse they used.

Makes the day at work SUCK!

[big dog cowboy]

Please post good notes for those of us who are totally out of the loop until we get home from work.

[FolsomCowboy]

Times like these its good to be the Network Administrator

[fishspill]

bump, it's almost time.

[k19]

thanks

bump, it's almost time.
not really :cool:

[dargonking999]

yep, we have what one more hour, the longest two days so far this year, has been these last two days, come on TC

[TheSkaven]

Does Jerry Jones ever get a press conference off at the scheduled time? :rolleyes:

[TheSkaven]

Press Conference Notes
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- Press conferences every day at 11:30A PST.

Jerry Jones:

Welcome to Oxford. I want to tell you how pleased we are that you are here. I know that many of you have traveling a long way, this is an exciting and great place to have a camp, but I want you to know how much I appreciate you and your organizations.

I can tell you that I know it is also not the cheapest way to go to camp. Once of the things that this franchise is all about is, our media, we as an organization do everything that we can do to make our camp a very productive camp for you. It's very important that you understand that, starting from me on down we understand that committment.

I want to thank the great people of Oxford, the leadership, all the elected officials, the city manager, yesterday I also want to express my appreciation to the people with the U.S. Airforce. That's rare when you can have your team land and be greeted and be a part of a big operation, especially in these times. We appreciate htem greeting us.

Thi sis an exciting time for our organization, our team and our fans. One of the reasons that it was without hesitation in the offseason that we made some of the commitments that we made, financial commitments, that we believe will pay dividends starting tomorrow morning, is we are excited about the ability to do some of the things that we did in free agency.

We are abe to get three players that were at the top of who was available. We'll let those moves speak for themselves in training camp. Our draft is one that personally I am as excited about as any draft we have had in a long time. We all know that's where it stops, but it has to happen right out here. The draft is behind us now.

Probably as big a reason as naything that I am excited is Bill is here. I have always believed that the biggest measure working with anyone is how they work in adversory and how they work when things aren't going good. I konw the kind of effort that he has put in during the off season and osme of the evaluation that he has made relative not only to his staff ubt certainly our team and all of that has been very very impressive and really gives me first hand with hopefully a little more insight and proximity to what's going on with the Cowboys I can tell you that this is a time when we've got a chance to have some good things happen. It's certainly not a given, but we have a chance.

What counts is how we perform initially in pre-season and how we go into the regular season, but we have a chance ot put some things in place that the fans will benefit from for years to come, so I'm excited about that.

I want to emphasize that anytime that we've been given the opportunity to basically take advantage of the system, and we want to do it. As we sit here today, going into training camp, we did about as good as we coul dhave expected and took advantage of our opportunities. The way we are structured, the way the system and rules, cap are going, the tools to build the team, we haven't extended ourself, we are in good shape financially and with the cap. We have the room to be flexible to a big degree going into the season if the opportunity comes up.

The guy that I'm going to ask to basically make the most of it, before I turn it over to Bill, Stephen, any questions you might want to ask him about our draft picks before we move on?

[TheSkaven]

Stephen:

Not alot has changed since yesterday, we've agreed with (Kenny?) still working very closely with Burnett, Spears and Ware.

It's not to the point where there is a problem yet, it's going to start to be a problem in a few hours when we start to run, but things happen quickly. The highest guy to sign up to this point is Fabian Washington, he's at #24. Hopefully we're making progress with Burnett and we'll hear something shortly. I wouldn't call it a problem yet. We're working hard and these are good players with good character and they want to be here.

*question I couldn't hear *

That could happen very quickly, I know some of them are in the area and they can get here very quickly. If they have to fly that can take some time but not more than a half a day.

Jerry: All but one are here in California.

[TheSkaven]

Bill Parcells:

I appreciate the support that I've gotten here in the off season, I appreciate htat veery much. It's a thing that uh should hopefully lead to some improvement this year. I look forward to that prospect.

Q: Bill do you agree with Stephen about the picks not being a problem?

Bill: Yes I would agree with that. As S. said, the landscape of these negotiations, and I'm not directly involved, is the landscape has changed somewhat.. and sometimes there are issues not obvious to everyone.. some other interests become important to some of the parties involved, and that does occur now.

Well, my job is to coach the players that are here, first of all, so I try to do that. I certainly don't think it's an advantage for the players to miss, in one case a player has already missed mini-camp and has no basis in the scheme, so that puts that player in a little bit of a hole should he not be here for the initial stages because that means the two initial phases of instruction, you know, he's mised both of them. Sometimes that's where you get your foundation and basis to start with.

Q: Should a player be able to come to training camp and do some of those conditioning things while a contrac tis being worke dout?

Bill: No, they shouldn't, thats my personal opinion, the league mandates that a player be under contrac tbefore they're allowed in camp. So, I do thin kthat's a good rule, and you'd be opening yourself up for a lot of what ifs, legal issues, should it be different. These are employees, they have a contract, they agree to peform, until that point they are not employees.

*doh, Ticket is buffering*

[Jarv]

The ticket stream just cut out on me...

[BrAinPaiNt]

The ticket stream just cut out on me...


Same here.

[TheSkaven]

Sorry guys, have the dreaded hourglass and the ticket seems to have gone off into the weeds. :bang2:

[Vertigo_17]

I dropped my connection too, and get back on yet

[TheSkaven]

And, of course, surprise surprise, the Cowboys web site is completely down. They really need to hire someone to fix that.

[TheSkaven]

Cool, DMN has the conference with video!

Parcells:

.. how quickly some of these young guys can catch on. The first thing that will beat you in this game is mental mistakes. If we can cut those down a little bit, and the turn overs, we'll have a chance to be more competitive. I want to say I'm not trying to waiver, we're going to try to do this 3-4 stuff, but if I see there is a better way to go with what I have that I didn't quite know, you know, until now, then we'll do that.

I've done that one time rihgt in the middle of training camp, made a complete change. It worked out well. We got going down one road and we changed it.
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Yeah, I would hope that we can use the principals of that defense pretty extensively, but if we can't we have a background in other schemes that we can alter that htinking if it doesn't look like we'll make that stick.
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[TheSkaven]

Bil: No, I don't think you can look back on that, each season is so unique and each set of players is so unique, um, and each just when you start out, it's just you spend all off-season trying to evaluate what you think you want to do based upon the knowlede that you've acquired. Right now I'm going to acquire new knowledge, so you can alter and see where you're going.

I do know that I don't want the owners of this team to be on the quarterback. I don't want to be in a situation like last year, where absense of running the ball put too much onus on the QB to play from behind. i want to avoid that if I can.

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Well, I don't know about that, we'll see. Whatever, I don't know that has even happened yet. We'll see what goes on there. I'm hopeful that Drew performs well and we can improve the team, that's what I'm trying to do.

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I'm hoping, well we've got 4, 5 guys now, I don't care. I don't care who it is, I just think we have better depth, more skill there. Again, there are two or three of them that I hav enever seen under fire, so I don't know. But it looks like, we certainly have more speed.

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You can't do anything in the off-season to alter that behavior but, this is really not a complicated, when you really look at it, just cut it right down to what affects winning and losing the most, 76% wins with just 1 turnovers plus side last year in the NFL, so you were 12-4 if you just had a plus 1 turnover ratio, so we have to do better there or we won't be successful.

Numerically, the times that you're able to run the ball, not necessarily efficiency, those things are key to success and you just got to, I should know better, the first year I tried to adhere to that exclusively, then I thought, Jerry and I were talking about this yesterday, yo ustart seeing the capability ot make some plays in the passing game and you get impatient, it's an easier way to go, and yet we had no way of knowing the defense would play like it would. We had problems in the secondary and just kind of steamrolled.

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We're trying to acquire better players with the talent and guys that would improve the quality of play, particularly in free agency, you have the advantage of looking at these guys historically over their career, with the rookies you just hope that your scouting department and personal research holds for ya, and you wind up with a good quality draft. I do think that we have the potential to have that. Really 5, 6, or 7 guys may help us. i dont' know that they will, or any of them will, I think if you owuld ask people would you like to have this draft that we have, most would say yeah.

[TheSkaven]

Bill: It's something that I have never done before, quite frankly, and I am doing it for a very specific reason. Firs tof all, I did talk to 5 or 6 teams that are currently doing it and asked what they thought the advantages were. And I did talk to the coaches on those teams personally, to go over the schedules and what they felt like they accomplished.

First thing it does, we miss no film, no practice film, sometimes you get caught up with so many practices backing up, you can't give the players the full benefit of watching every practice on film. Sometimes as a coach you have a hard time getting it all in. This way we're not going to miss that.

So basically on the 2 a day practices, there will be one meeting, and that will be in betewen practices, and the later afternoon practice will be later than it has been. Now, lot of the trainers in the league feel like the ability to hydrate and rest and giving them more time gives them a big advantage. After the two a days, allowing them to have 2 or 3 meals between practices is another beneficial team.

Almos tall the coaches (in warm climates) thought that this was a much beter schedule. It gave thei rplayers a chance to bounce back, get in the ice, hydrate, and do things. Combine that with more meeting time, and knowing that I did have a lot of young players on defense, I thought that might be the way to go.

I can at any time change schedule, and I do plan to do that occasionally. That's basically the reason.

[TheSkaven]

Yes, i do have some of those, it allows the players to bounce back. I'm ont trying to take care of the players as much as facilitate the integration of the system to them. Actually when yo uwork it out, and I've done this, it's only four less practices then I had last year going into the first game. It's going to wind up being four less practices.

Now I've always been one to try to get 23 or 24 practices before the first pre-season game, which is really 20% of the whole season's practice. Well this year we'll only have 19 or 20, and um, like I said at any time I could... now I'm going to continue 2 a day practices when we get back to Dallas. I'm not just going to stop. There will be at least one day a week, during the Jacksonville and Texans game , continue that right up to the last pre-season game.

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You always are judged in the business by what you did in the most recent season, I understand that, so I feel a challenge myself, and I certainly feel that I do have something to prove. I just feel that way. I thin you're nature as a coach is to feel that way. So, can that be a goo dthing? I hope it can. If you respond to competition, which I hope I am, then I think it can be.

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I trhink when things don't go well, you evaluate more closely, it's just human nature. If things are going well, then if it ain't broke don't fix it theory, but when things don't go well, you have to look at all the reasons in a comprehensive way that they may, or what might have happened, to get you on that path. And um, I mean at the end of the day, we couldn't stop people well enough, and we couldn't produce enough offense to be, we can stay in the games, but we couldn't win enough of them.

We certainly had a few opportunities last year to have a better record than we had. But, I don't know that the team is much better than the one we had, if you know what I mean.

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Will there be a change in my demeanor? Um, I don't know that. I'm going ot hav eto see how it goes. I'm going to get a sense of where the players think they are, and if they're in a different place then I think they should be, then yeah there will be a change in my demeanor. I expect them to be in good condition, satisified with the general weigh in, couple of guys over but not too much. Everybody else is right on the weight, so that's good.

I think the rookie class did a good job, I kept them in Dallas until July 14th, they had about 12 days to come back, so not much deterioration in that time.

[TheSkaven]

Jerry: Not the cause, but it's a fact, the traditional bonus has to be spread across a smaller number of years, so if you're paying a dollar, you spread it over 5 years instead of 6 or 7 years, so that reduces the number of up front dollars that you can have. At the end of the day, it won't cause anyone not to get signed, but it will cause a problem with the larger bonuses (players at the top), and it's had some effect on things.

Everybody is kinda realizing too that we don't have a CBA extension, and next year would be an open cap year, and everybody is starting to see what happens. You don't get to amortize bonuses, everybody is restricted for 6 years, all the players, this process that everyone is going through, Bill mentioned you get a lot of representation that is posturing for next year's class, so they want to make sure they arenot caught out here with a contract that makes them look bad.

All of that has probably slowed things down at the top.

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Jerry: I know one thing, it sure got him in shape (looking at Bill), he got physically ready to go, that would be one thought, looks better than I have seen him. I think it's helped him. The question was asked, whta do you do, what adjustments do you make. When things are going good, you let things slide, so what the hell. Then, boy when it doesn't work, those are the times that you want to address those things. I think it's positive.
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Jerry: We were concerned, to some degree, about his representation. But our selection was what Ware was, not what Merriman wasn't. But we were concerned.
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Bill: Well, the three players that are going to cpmete for tha tpositions are Rogers, Tucker, Vollers and Petitte and Flo will be at the left tackle. Then (sound cut out) will eventually start at right guard. I just am hoping, Rogers had a good off-season in terms of his physical conditioning. I haven't seen him on the field because he didn't practice at minicamp.

He's a pretty intelligent guy and he has a substantially better awareness of what he had to do personally then he had last year. I also have already seen the impact that Rivera has on some of these young players, because he is a pretty determined, dedicate,d hard working, there every day guy and he drags some oft hem with him, and Rogers happened ot be one of them. That will pay dividends.

[TheSkaven]

Bill: Well, Look it, it's the same thing as I just tried to answer from a personal standpoint, if you view yourself as being willing to respond to the competition, then you try to do things that wil allow you to do that. You know, there are going to be times when things don't go well, always going to be times when any of us in sports, or really in a lot of things in life that things don't go well. And, all of us, the ones that are things don't go well for, we all feel the same emotion about it, pretty much. It's what you do about that emotion that counts.

*sound cuts out again, rats*

[TheSkaven]

Ugh sound is out on DMN's site, all I see is Bill's phase. :(

[LaTunaNostra]

. Then (sound cut out) will eventually start at right guard.

It was Noll. (will 'start" at right guard, but it was clear he meant behind Marco) (Bill meant he will start him off there.)

You're doing a primo job, TheSkaven.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Thanks much guys!

[AsthmaField]

Skaven... I appreciate the info!

[LaTunaNostra]

Wow Bill threw the gauntlet down.

Said re Glover's suitability for the 3-4 that he is already tired of hearing about it.

Said Glover has played nose successfully in two 3-4s and he has seen him doing it.

And then said he wasn't talking about LaRoi but anyone who "doesn't think he can prosper in any system belongs out of the league",

Said "peripheral people" with agendas around players partially responsible for the growing selfishness of some players.

[Charles]

Wow Bill threw the gauntlet down.

Said re Glover's suitability for the 3-4 that he is already tired of hearing about it.

Said Glover has played nose successfully in two 3-4s and he has seen him doing it.

And then said he wasn't talking about LaRoi but anyone who "doesn't think he can prosper in any system belongs out of the league",

Said "peripheral people" with agendas around players partially responsible for the growing selfishness of some players.
Shot across the bow. I hope Greg Ellis is smart enough to duck.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Shot across the bow. I hope Greg Ellis is smart enough to duck.


I hear this and I think it's a sell job. Anybody around football or any amount of time knows that certain systems, and I don't care how good you are, don't go with certain players. I think Bill is trying to send a message but I don't think he's being entirely honest about that message.

[Crown Royal]

Wow Bill threw the gauntlet down.

Said re Glover's suitability for the 3-4 that he is already tired of hearing about it.

Said Glover has played nose successfully in two 3-4s and he has seen him doing it.

And then said he wasn't talking about LaRoi but anyone who "doesn't think he can prosper in any system belongs out of the league",

Said "peripheral people" with agendas around players partially responsible for the growing selfishness of some players.

It should be noted that he made a disclaimer - that none of the players had said that to him....

[Bull Frog]

Wow Bill threw the gauntlet down.

Said re Glover's suitability for the 3-4 that he is already tired of hearing about it.

Said Glover has played nose successfully in two 3-4s and he has seen him doing it.

And then said he wasn't talking about LaRoi but anyone who "doesn't think he can prosper in any system belongs out of the league",

Said "peripheral people" with agendas around players partially responsible for the growing selfishness of some players.
It sounded like JJT asking that question, I could be wrong, but he phrased the question with "A four time pro-bowler like Glover". I think that's what got BP fired up.

[Cbz40]

Parcells certainly didn't beat around the bush on the subject........He made his thoughts very clear.

[Sportsbabe]

Football is back baby. Even though The Ticket was acting up. I caught the best parts. BP is tired of the people who are whining about the 3-4. It's gonna at least keep the drama going. Press Conferences should be very interesting this year. He said he had to get into shape because he was gonna be all up in their tail this year.

[Crown Royal]

I hear this and I think it's a sell job. Anybody around football or any amount of time knows that certain systems, and I don't care how good you are, don't go with certain players. I think Bill is trying to send a message but I don't think he's being entirely honest about that message.

I agree. I hope he sells it well, but some players do better in certain places, whereas they faulter in other systems....

[kenai]

Skaven...great job! Thanks

[noshame]

Translated: I need Ellis and Glover to be good toopers until I'm sure the 3-4 will work out. Then I'll send them packing.

This is why some players and coaches hate him.

[Cbz40]

Forgot.......thanks Skaven

[Tobal]

He's no different than any other coach, the guys are played millions and millions.

[TheSkaven]

Wow Bill threw the gauntlet down.

Said re Glover's suitability for the 3-4 that he is already tired of hearing about it.

Said Glover has played nose successfully in two 3-4s and he has seen him doing it.
I caught that. He tried to back down a bit in the follow up question, but it's clear he expects him to adapt and play in the system.

He made a very good point about successful teams in this league functioning well as teams. That has been the Patriots modus operandi since little Bill took the reins.

Sorry that I lost my feed guys - finally found the press conference on NFL Network but I only caught the end. :(

[Erik_H]

Thanks a ton skaven!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Skaven, just an excellent job. Really appriciate you taking the time to do this for those of us who could not hear it live.

Many thanks.

[Chocolate Lab]

Skaven, thank you very much. You did a great job.

Man, how frustrating is it that all three of the official Cowboys site, ESPN 103.3, and the Ticket all failed during such an important time. Come on guys, get it together!

I was able to go listen to my rigged-up super-duper tuner and hear the PC, and only missed a minute or so of it. What got my attention was when Parcells was talking about the strong positive correlation between the number of times a game you run the ball -- not necessarily yardage -- and wins. My immediate thought was, then why didn't you do that last year? And right then he said he sort of let that sneak away from him last year, thinking they could make more plays in the passing game.

So, no newsflash, but I think we really are going to see us run, run, and run some more this year.

I do wish there had been less fishing for controversy on Glover and Ellis and more questions about where certain players might be used. I was very disappointed to not hear one single question about how he saw his linebackers shaping up.

[Everlastingxxx]

Translated: I need Ellis and Glover to be good toopers until I'm sure the 3-4 will work out. Then I'll send them packing.

This is why some players and coaches hate him.

Kindof contradicts himself. Why change to a different system if it's all about the players playing?

[Portland Fanatic]

Awesome job Skaven.....THX!!!!!

Are ya ready for some FOOTBALL????????????????????????



Yeah Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quaigs]

Thanks for the update Skaven!

[Doomsday101]

Translated: I need Ellis and Glover to be good toopers until I'm sure the 3-4 will work out. Then I'll send them packing.

This is why some players and coaches hate him.

Do not get a job as a translator

[Idgit]

I hear this and I think it's a sell job. Anybody around football or any amount of time knows that certain systems, and I don't care how good you are, don't go with certain players. I think Bill is trying to send a message but I don't think he's being entirely honest about that message.

He just got done talking about how it's his job to adjust the system to the talent he has, that he's made even dramatic shifts in the middle of training camp. His point is that it's the players job to play to the best of their ability, and his to maximize that ability for the betterment of the team. I don't see anything remotely dishonest about that.

He's right that it's not his responsibility to make sure that individual players maximize their marketability to the detriment of the squad. He's also right that the players are paid to win games, and not to earn bigger contracts down the road.

[noshame]

Do not get a job as a translator

Ahhh....OK.

But I see you have one as a message board poster. Congrats. :rolleyes:

[Cbz40]

Parcells "Yeah, I would hope that we can use the principals of that defense pretty extensively, but if we can't we have a background in other schemes that we can alter that htinking if it doesn't look like we'll make that stick."
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With this comment he leaves himself an out so We will just have to wait and see.

[Doomsday101]

Ahhh....OK.

But I see you have one as a message board poster. Congrats. :rolleyes:

There is no mistaken I'm a message board poster there is however a lot of doubt in your translation of what Parcells said. Eyes rolling right back at you. LOL

[Dough Boy]

Translated: I need Ellis and Glover to be good toopers until I'm sure the 3-4 will work out. Then I'll send them packing.

This is why some players and coaches hate him.

I don't buy it.

I've heard many players say that the reason they love playing for Parcells is he has no hidden agendas.

I think Parcells is honest and straightforward with his players. As for how he parses info to the media, I could care less.

We are all up in arms about Ellis and Glover and the 3-4. We have yet to have a full pad practice and we (fans) all have figured out Ellis and Glover cannot play in the 3-4. Maybe they can't. Maybe they can. But the million-dollar question, how many snaps will the team take in the 3-4? Will Ellis and Glover play traditional 3-4 roles, or will Bill and Zimmer create some new techniques for their specialized skills? Either way, the media and some of us fans have all the answers, even if the team hasn't practiced in pads, yet.

[ABQCOWBOY]

He just got done talking about how it's his job to adjust the system to the talent he has, that he's made even dramatic shifts in the middle of training camp. His point is that it's the players job to play to the best of their ability, and his to maximize that ability for the betterment of the team. I don't see anything remotely dishonest about that.

He's right that it's not his responsibility to make sure that individual players maximize their marketability to the detriment of the squad. He's also right that the players are paid to win games, and not to earn bigger contracts down the road.


What's your point? Contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL. Next year could be a very differnt story indeed for many players. Players are paid to play. They can play in Dallas or anywhere, so long as each party is in agreement. It may not be his job to secure these things for the players but it is certainly the job of the player to do it for himself.

There are always two sides to every coin. It is not disreputable to look down the line a bit and try to make sure your in a secure situation.

[BigDFan5]

Ahhh....OK.

But I see you have one as a message board poster. Congrats. :rolleyes:

umm aren't you a message board poster too?

[StonetheCrow77]

Ahhh....OK.

But I see you have one as a message board poster. Congrats. :rolleyes:

lol cause we know, we all get more intelligent the more posts we have...

[CowboyManDan]

Thanks for the detailed post, TheSkaven.

I was glad to hear the positive hope for Jacob Rogers. I'm rooting for him to comeback this year and win the RT job myself. I don't think Tucker will retain it. Though I do think Vollers can be good and expect him and Rogers to battle it out...wouldn't be surprised to see Vollers win it either, but hopeing Rogers can live up to his potential.

[BigDFan5]

What's your point? Contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL. Next year could be a very differnt story indeed for many players. Players are paid to play. They can play in Dallas or anywhere, so long as each party is in agreement. It may not be his job to secure these things for the players but it is certainly the job of the player to do it for himself.

There are always two sides to every coin. It is not disreputable to look down the line a bit and try to make sure your in a secure situation.


Yes it is the players job to do it for himself in the role he is given

[LaTunaNostra]

It should be noted that he made a disclaimer - that none of the players had said that to him....
Yea, I didn't interpret it as any challenge to La'Roi OR Greg.

It started out as "tired of it already", and he meant the press, and went on to mention "peripherals".

My interpretation was Bill's already sick of the press blowing the Glover and Ellis thing up bigger than it is; maybe there will be players worried or even ticked , but the press exacerbating it he won't stand for.

Even the last statement about not belonging in the NFL sounded to me like telling the press you do a player no service by exaggerating his fears.

No, not the gauntlet to his players, but to the press not to make this transition any more difficult than it wouldl be.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes it is the players job to do it for himself in the role he is given

I think it's the players job to do it in the role he elects to pursue.

I think your statement was correct prior to FA. Now, I think a great deal has changed. I view this in much the same way as I see college players transfer. IE, Aikman at OU. Who knows what happens to Aikman if he doesn't transfer to UCLA? I just think it's the players job to look after there own best interests. I'm not saying I like it and I'm definatly not saying it's always in the best interests of the team but it is the way things work now, IMO.

BTW, noticed you on Scout earlier.

[Idgit]

What's your point? Contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL. Next year could be a very differnt story indeed for many players. Players are paid to play. They can play in Dallas or anywhere, so long as each party is in agreement. It may not be his job to secure these things for the players but it is certainly the job of the player to do it for himself.

There are always two sides to every coin. It is not disreputable to look down the line a bit and try to make sure your in a secure situation.

When you're getting paid a lot of money to be part of a team and to win games, it's definitely disreputable to look down the line at your own interests if it's at the expense of the owner who's paying you a small fortune and the players that are sweating through two-a-days with you.

What difference does it make that the contract is not guaranteed for next year? They're getting paid a salary for what they're doing *this* year.

And as far as Parcells is concerned, he has every right to expect the players to deliver on their commitments to him for the coming season. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it'd be dishonest for him and to is commitment to the owner to expect anything else.

[diehard2294]

thanks mucho everyone :yourock:

[Seven]

Do not get a job as a translator

For plain english anyways...........................

[ABQCOWBOY]

When you're getting paid a lot of money to be part of a team and to win games, it's definitely disreputable to look down the line at your own interests if it's at the expense of the owner who's paying you a small fortune and the players that are sweating through two-a-days with you.

What difference does it make that the contract is not guaranteed for next year? They're getting paid a salary for what they're doing *this* year.

And as far as Parcells is concerned, he has every right to expect the players to deliver on their commitments to him for the coming season. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it'd be dishonest for him and to is commitment to the owner to expect anything else.

This is rediculouse. For them to completely disreguard there future status in order to simply play for a single season would be stupid.

I don't deny that Parcells job is to do what's in the best interests of the team. For you to believe that it's also the players job to do so, is completely unrealistic. It's a business. I don't care how many times you slice this orange, when your done with it, it's still goint to be orange. That's the reality of the situation.

[LaTunaNostra]

There are always two sides to every coin. It is not disreputable to look down the line a bit and try to make sure your in a secure situation.

No, it isn't, and it's 'normal' to do so.

But it all depends to what degree.

If it is looking down the line and telling yourself I will never make the sacks in a 3-4 I would in a 4-3, and down the line that will hurt my next contract if I play elsewhere, so I am going to resist this implemention tooth and nail, then it is certainly disreputable.

I don't think any Cowboy would do that, but sometimes reconciling your best possible situation with the team's is tough.

Clear from today, tho, if that situation arose, the guy'd be out.

Bill strongly implied he will let the results of this summer dictate how much of any scheme gets played, but if he does have to "fall back on the 4-3", we know it better be because everyone tried but the 3-4 is still not as feasible as the 4-3, not because of passive-aggresive wreckers.

If Tuna can be that flexible and that pragmatic, the players can at least meet him half way and do everything they can to diversify their games.

[Charles]

No, it isn't, and it's 'normal' to do so.

But it all depends to what degree.

If it is looking down the line and telling yourself I will never make the sacks in a 3-4 I would in a 4-3, and down the line that will hurt my next contract if I play elsewhere, so I am going to resist this implemention tooth and nail, then it is certainly disreputable.

I don't think any Cowboy would do that, but sometimes reconciling your best possible situation with the team's is tough.

Clear from today, tho, if that situation arose, the guy'd be out.

Bill strongly implied he will let the results of this summer dictate how much of any scheme gets played, but if he does have to "fall back on the 4-3", we know it better be because everyone tried but the 3-4 is still not as feasible as the 4-3, not because of passive-aggresive wreckers.

If Tuna can be that flexible and that pragmatic, the players can at least meet him half way and do everything they can to diversify their games.
Hot damn.........Great Post LTN already in mid-season form.

[Dough Boy]

This is rediculouse. For them to completely disreguard there future status in order to simply play for a single season would be stupid.

You can only play one game at a time, as well as one season at a time.


I don't deny that Parcells job is to do what's in the best interests of the team. For you to believe that it's also the players job to do so, is completely unrealistic. It's a business. I don't care how many times you slice this orange, when your done with it, it's still goint to be orange. That's the reality of the situation.
In essence, football in no longer a team sport. Each individual player is ok to play as they see fit, disregarding the coach, gm and owner.

You speak as though there is no consideration for the player to do what’s best for the team. For one, its a signing bonus - monetarily speaking. But more importantly, for the great players, it's the belief that buying into the team concept and namely the coaches scheme, that you will at least have the chance to become World Champions. Your entire thread disregards everything the Patriots have accomplished over the prior 4 seasons.

For the sake of team sports, I hope you are wrong. Otherwise, golf is the only team sport left. The golfer, his/her caddy and the course.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Translated: I need Ellis and Glover to be good toopers until I'm sure the 3-4 will work out. Then I'll send them packing.

This is why some players and coaches hate him.

Oh yeah, obviouslly :rolleyes:

If the 3-4 works out then that means Ellis and Glover work out.

If that is the case why in the **** would he let them go?

[rw54]

No, it isn't, and it's 'normal' to do so.

But it all depends to what degree.

If it is looking down the line and telling yourself I will never make the sacks in a 3-4 I would in a 4-3, and down the line that will hurt my next contract if I play elsewhere, so I am going to resist this implemention tooth and nail, then it is certainly disreputable.

I don't think any Cowboy would do that, but sometimes reconciling your best possible situation with the team's is tough.

Clear from today, tho, if that situation arose, the guy'd be out.

Bill strongly implied he will let the results of this summer dictate how much of any scheme gets played, but if he does have to "fall back on the 4-3", we know it better be because everyone tried but the 3-4 is still not as feasible as the 4-3, not because of passive-aggresive wreckers.

If Tuna can be that flexible and that pragmatic, the players can at least meet him half way and do everything they can to diversify their games.


I agree 100 percent. But I can also see Ellis' point, if what is reported are his true feelings. He saw that Coakley was phased out and could see the same thing happening to him. I respect BP's authoritative ways but wish he could add just a little bit of salesmanship to it. I don't think Ellis was whining, just giving his honest opinion.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Anyone know of a place where they already have the PC archived so I can listen to it.

I cant seem to find it.

[Doomsday101]

Oh yeah, obviouslly :rolleyes:

If the 3-4 works out then that means Ellis and Glover work out.

If that is the case why in the **** would he let them go?

That is my point, we do not know yet how Glover and Ellis will fair in this defense for all we know they could turn around and have all pro years in which case why would you release them, on the other hand it may prove to be too big of a task to overcome but until they get out there all of this is nothing but a guessing game. Thankfully all the guessing is about to be put to rest

[Chocolate Lab]

Anyone know of a place where they already have the PC archived so I can listen to it.

I cant seem to find it.
Try this, FZ:

http://st24.startlogic.com/~cutigers/audio/parcells.ram

[TruBlueCowboy]

I agree 100 percent. But I can also see Ellis' point, if what is reported are his true feelings. He saw that Coakley was phased out and could see the same thing happening to him. I respect BP's authoritative ways but wish he could add just a little bit of salesmanship to it. I don't think Ellis was whining, just giving his honest opinion.

I don't think he was whining either. I think it's unfair for Parcells to do this to Glover and Ellis. It's a short life in the NFL. Give them a chance to start somewhere else instead of sitting their butts on the benches. Ellis could have been a and waited for free agency and a potential Grant Wistrom contract but he gave us a discount and an extension. He deserves better.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Try this, FZ:

http://st24.startlogic.com/~cutigers/audio/parcells.ram

You, sir, are the man.

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, it isn't, and it's 'normal' to do so.

But it all depends to what degree.

If it is looking down the line and telling yourself I will never make the sacks in a 3-4 I would in a 4-3, and down the line that will hurt my next contract if I play elsewhere, so I am going to resist this implemention tooth and nail, then it is certainly disreputable.

I don't think any Cowboy would do that, but sometimes reconciling your best possible situation with the team's is tough.

Clear from today, tho, if that situation arose, the guy'd be out.

Bill strongly implied he will let the results of this summer dictate how much of any scheme gets played, but if he does have to "fall back on the 4-3", we know it better be because everyone tried but the 3-4 is still not as feasible as the 4-3, not because of passive-aggresive wreckers.

If Tuna can be that flexible and that pragmatic, the players can at least meet him half way and do everything they can to diversify their games.


You bring up several interesting points here.

First of all, I would agree with you on the fact that each player has to his own situation and base decisions off of that. Let me say that I do think Parcells is doing what he thinks is best for the team. I don't think there is any question. The x factor, of course, is the players themselves. Bacause of salaries and the commitments made to players in this day and age, they hold so much power that it can essentially dicatate, to an extent, success in any given season.

My personal view on this is that Players have the off season and really the pre-season to address contract issues/team issues. Once a player makes up there mind to get with the program, regardless of settlement of situation, then I think they have a responsability, of sorts, to give 100%. Until that acceptance is taken on by the player, I think there with in there rights to do whatever they feel is required to get a given situation resolved. If a player elects to hold out, then it's on him. He must live with the results, good or bad.

The question may not be one of "I will never make the sacks in a 3-4." It might be, "I can make more sacks in a 43 and with sacks come money." It is an evaluation that all players have to make. I normally don't side with players on this type of thing because I feel like if you sign a contract, then you should play it out. However, when something as basic as a scheme change occurs, (like a move from a 4-3 to a 3-4) then I think a player must evaluate his situation and make decisions from there.

I also agree that a coach, regardless of this, must do what is in the best interests of the team. Parcells will do that. That's the rub. These guys know that the percentages of them thriving in a 34 are not as great as they would be in a 43. The carrot is the fact that BP says it may not be a 34 after all. He's so smart, it's really fun to watch him.

I have felt for some time, as have many others, that a 43 is what were best suited for. We will see soon enough. I think his statement on what might or might not be is interesting. He may be saying it to aid his position with vets like Glover and Ellis or he may be saying it because he doesn't know. Either way, I agree with you on the point of effort. If he is willing to make the effort, then the players who elect to follow should also stipulate with the same type of effort. The problem is that everybody has options. Everybody has to check there own personal situation and go from there. Who knows what that might dictate?

[jksmith269]

Wow Bill threw the gauntlet down.

Said re Glover's suitability for the 3-4 that he is already tired of hearing about it.

Said Glover has played nose successfully in two 3-4s and he has seen him doing it.

And then said he wasn't talking about LaRoi but anyone who "doesn't think he can prosper in any system belongs out of the league",

Said "peripheral people" with agendas around players partially responsible for the growing selfishness of some players.

Tuna sounds like your sig is just a little premature....But it was reported yesterday that he had signed but SJ said they only have reached an agreement but he hasn't signed the contract yet I wonder why that is????

[ABQCOWBOY]

You can only play one game at a time, as well as one season at a time.


In essence, football in no longer a team sport. Each individual player is ok to play as they see fit, disregarding the coach, gm and owner.

You speak as though there is no consideration for the player to do what’s best for the team. For one, its a signing bonus - monetarily speaking. But more importantly, for the great players, it's the belief that buying into the team concept and namely the coaches scheme, that you will at least have the chance to become World Champions. Your entire thread disregards everything the Patriots have accomplished over the prior 4 seasons.

For the sake of team sports, I hope you are wrong. Otherwise, golf is the only team sport left. The golfer, his/her caddy and the course.

I appriciate your points, but unfortunatly, I'm not wrong. It's proven too many times over.

I think it's interesting that you mention the Patriots and I would agree that for some time, that team has been remarkable in it's consistancy but I would bring up the point that players have had issues with there contracts and money in NE. Good players are cut in NE too. It doesn't always work out. It just so happens that they are also very good at bringing good talent in and developing talent. It will be interesting to see what happens with Seymour should he decide to make it tough.

[Nors]

Jarvis Green and Ty Warren will step right in for Seymour.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jarvis Green and Ty Warren will step right in for Seymour.

Sure they will.

[LaTunaNostra]

Tuna sounds like your sig is just a little premature....But it was reported yesterday that he had signed but SJ said they only have reached an agreement but he hasn't signed the contract yet I wonder why that is????
Dunno, JK, but that seems to happen a lot. Maybe Canty's agent wants to read it again with a magnifying glass.

I've noticed once a contract's announced, tho, it's rare a problem arises.

[tyke1doe]

I don't see what all the fuss is. Ellis, Glover and the rest of the defensive line as a team didn't do that much with the 4-3. So it seems to me they really have little room to complain about a switch that quite possibly will make the team better.

Again, any time you let McNabb scramble for 40 minutes and then complete a pass to Todd Pinkston (or was it Freddie Mitchell? Doesn't matter because they both suck), then you have no room to talk about a scheme that maximizes your potential. The 4-3 didn't help anybody get to McDryHeave any quicker so please shut up and adjust.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't see what all the fuss is. Ellis, Glover and the rest of the defensive line as a team didn't do that much with the 4-3. So it seems to me they really have little room to complain about a switch that quite possibly will make the team better.

Again, any time you let McNabb scramble for 40 minutes and then complete a pass to Todd Pinkston (or was it Freddie Mitchell? Doesn't matter because they both suck), then you have no room to talk about a scheme that maximizes your potential. The 4-3 didn't help anybody get to McDryHeave any quicker so please shut up and adjust.

Amazing how scheme can be viewed as a savior but talent can be discounted to the point of insignificance.

[Joshmvii]

I think the guy's point was that Ellis has no place to complain about being out of place in a 3-4 until he can really dominate in a 4-3. Don't get me wrong, he's been good on a bad D-line not counting glover for his whole career, but it's not like anyone is confusing him with a Strahan.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A couple of thoughts

One big impression that I got is that Jones and Parcells work well together and enjoy it. You can tell they are friends with the casual compliments that they hand out to each other and Parcells in particular made it a point to say that he was very happy with the way that Jones handled the personnel.

Second, I really wish that Bill would have gotten up and smacked JJT Also telling was that Parcells said something along the lines that no player has come to him with what JJT is trying dredge up. I need to find the email address to the sports editor and post it so that people that think JJT is just a toad can let him know. Roy already hates him and I would think that Ellis and Glover cannot like how hes handling this situation.

Hey maybe the defense can rally in their hate for JJT. Hes starting to remind me of shaugnessy from the boston globe in his act. Ive already banned that guy from my reading.

What I also saw is that Rogers is on the fast track to becoming the starter. He is strong enough now it seems and has the support of Rivera which bodes well.

Tucker must have made his weight as well or is close. Parcells mentioned that everyone was at least very close to their weights.

Overall though I could not be happier to see Parcells coaching in Dallas. Hes cerebral in that he definitely values statistical analysis and is willing to act on it, hes a hardass in his disipline, he values fundamentals and the teaching side of things and most of all hes pragmatic. All of this discussion of 3-4, 4-3 has been pointless in that he is going to go with what works.

All in all a great way to start camp.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the guy's point was that Ellis has no place to complain about being out of place in a 3-4 until he can really dominate in a 4-3. Don't get me wrong, he's been good on a bad D-line not counting glover for his whole career, but it's not like anyone is confusing him with a Strahan.

I think your mistaken. I would not charictorize Ellis as complaining to begin with but secondly, any player has the right to think about there future. That's the whole point here.

[Alexander]

I think your mistaken. I would not charictorize Ellis as complaining to begin with but secondly, any player has the right to think about there future. That's the whole point here.

........"And I really don't like the idea of somebody saying they can't prosper in any particular system. They don't need to be in the league if they can't." .......

[ABQCOWBOY]

........"And I really don't like the idea of somebody saying they can't prosper in any particular system. They don't need to be in the league if they can't." .......

I see you share Bill's idioligy on this issue. Well, here's what I would say to that.

Doesn't really matter what you like or dislike where this is concerned. The fact is, they have the right. Really no getting around that.

[Zaxor]

Folks think of this from Ellis point of view when he signed his contract (and I might add for less than he could have gotten in FA imho) he thought he was resigning as a 4-3 DE...now they up an change it..a DE without sacks is not a high commodity item...(keep in mind a football player only has so many opportunities to sign a contract)... so even if he decides to leave Dallas his worth to another team will be minimal...Now put yourself in his shoes...

You are a contractor and sign a contract with the city to build a wooden bridge...you start construction on it and than the city gets new council members and decide it is a tunnel they want and at the same price..it is not what you put your bid on nor do you possess the equipment to build a tunnel as you have been building bridges your entire career...What to do/what would you do

[WilmingtonHeel]

I agree I couldn't find anything

[Tio]

Thanks skaven

[Dough Boy]

I appriciate your points, but unfortunatly, I'm not wrong. It's proven too many times over.

.

Not so fast....

"I told the team that I am hopeful we will have a team that will subordinate their egos for the greater good," Parcells said. "This is a team. That's what we're supposed to be trying to do: Putting a team together. I'm not interested in guys who have their own self-interests."

Glover declined to talk following practice Saturday.

Ellis said he didn't take the message personally because he doesn't have an ego. He said he is not one to make waves and Parcells knows he will do whatever is asked of him.

"Bill knows that I will never be a problem," Ellis said.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not so fast....

"I told the team that I am hopeful we will have a team that will subordinate their egos for the greater good," Parcells said. "This is a team. That's what we're supposed to be trying to do: Putting a team together. I'm not interested in guys who have their own self-interests."

Glover declined to talk following practice Saturday.

Ellis said he didn't take the message personally because he doesn't have an ego. He said he is not one to make waves and Parcells knows he will do whatever is asked of him.

"Bill knows that I will never be a problem," Ellis said.

This is not unexpected or out of character. However, the fact remains, I could easily point to any number of examples that prove my point. This is not an "I'm right, your wrong" situation IMO. It is an "Is what it is" deal. That's just how it works.

[Dough Boy]

This is not unexpected or out of character. However, the fact remains, I could easily point to any number of examples that prove my point. This is not an "I'm right, your wrong" situation IMO. It is an "Is what it is" deal. That's just how it works.

AB,

I've never said you were wrong. I'm of the opinion that the quote of Ellis plus what Parcells is selling is slightly contridictory to your stance. As a matter of points, you have went out of your way during this entire thread to tell everyone that you are not wrong. I've never said you were. Football is still a team sport.

As for as I'm concerned, each players success is dependant on the other 10 players (e.g. see Roy Williams last year). As long as this is the case, players can negoicate contracts on the solo, but an offensive and defensive scheme/game-plan is much larger than what one players wants or thinks he is entitled to.