Randy Galloway: Bill could be Mistaken

[RCowboyFan]

Parcells could be mistaken

Hutchinson shouldn't be discouraged yet

By Randy Galloway

Star-Telegram Staff Writer


A couple of weeks ago, I was asking around Valley Ranch about the future of Chad Hutchinson.

Does a quarterback beaten out by Quincy Carter need to retry baseball?

Does a disappointing spring in Europe doom his football career?

"Chad has talent," said a Cowboys voice. "What he needs is time, lots of time, and a fresh start with a new team."

Big Bill, obviously, liked Quincy more than he liked Hutch, right?

"Nope," replied Mr. Voice. "From a talent standpoint, and based on which one was ready to help the team last year, Bill disliked Chad more than he disliked Quincy."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, huh, for Q?

"Why," added Voice, "do you think we've added more quarterbacks this off-season than any other position on the field?"

So, as Valley Ranch now stands basically empty, and the summertime wait begins for the opening of training camp in late July, the Cowboys' dreaded "journey" continues.

The day that Troy Aikman walked out of Valley Ranch, personnel director Larry Lacewell used that "journey" description.

"We have just joined about half, if not more, of the teams in the league," Lacewell said. "Aikman spoiled us. He was among the best for a long, long time.

"But now it's our turn to start the quarterback journey. The search for the next one begins. It's scary. Look around the league. For some teams, it's almost been an endless journey."

Did, however, Bill Parcells himself screw up the search almost immediately after arriving at Valley Ranch?

In Carolina last week, the Panthers' football minds basically told us Bill did just that.

Coming off a shocking Super Bowl season, the Panthers awarded quarterback Jake Delhomme with a $38 million contract extension, including $12 million guaranteed.

Listen to what John Fox, NFL Coach of the Year in 2003, said:

"Everybody in the league is trying to identify their quarterback, and when you identify him, getting him locked up for the future is paramount to success."

There will be disagreement around the league, and certainly at Valley Ranch, whether the Panthers way overpaid in this new deal with Delhomme.

But the same opinion was heard a year ago, and certainly at Valley Ranch, when Carolina outbid the Cowboys by at least $2 million in signing Jake as a free agent who had started two games in six seasons for the Saints.

Delhomme's answer to all that was getting the Panthers to the Super Bowl, and then lighting up a strong New England defense in a fantastic finish to that game.

The Saints ended up looking stupid for not realizing what they had all those years.

And the Cowboys ended up with Quincy Carter instead of Delhomme.

It's laughable for anyone to think Parcells didn't make a huge mistake here, but, in January, after Carolina had beaten the Cowboys in the first round of the playoffs, Jerry Jones said, "If we had it to do all over again, I'm not sure we wouldn't make the same decision."

After Delhomme's performance in the Super Bowl, if that was still Mr. Jones' opinion, he wisely didn't utter it again publicly.

Delhomme is now a very touchy subject at Valley Ranch.

He came to Irving for a free-agent visit with Big Bill in March 2003. Without question, Jake wanted to sign with the Cowboys.

Parcells did make a contract offer, but the money was minimal. Carolina immediately countered with a two-year deal in the $4 million range, with half of that guaranteed.

OK, it was gamble by the Panthers. And they ended up cashing the gamble.

As the Charlotte newspaper was reporting last week, Delhomme has become the "face" of the franchise and the most popular athlete in that part of the world.

Now, of course, the Panthers are gambling again with the long-term deal. Critics say Delhomme could turn out to be a one-year wonder.

John Fox says otherwise.

Carolina is confident its "quarterback journey" is over.

But it's a strange process. And a guessing game, plus a money game.

The first quarterback decision Parcells made in his NFL head coaching career was to start Scott Brunner ahead of Phil Simms.

The first major quarterbacking decision Fox had to make in his NFL head coaching career came last September.

He started Rodney Peete over Delhomme.

Jake took over at halftime of the opener with the Panthers down 17-0. He rallied them to a win.

Nine months later, Jake is the king of Carolina, with $12 mil in up-front money being stuffed in his hip pocket.

This is the same guy the Saints spent six years thinking couldn't play. The same guy who also sat the bench in Europe the first time he went over there.

His father advised Delhomme if he couldn't play in Europe, it'd probably be best to find a line of work beyond football. "But Dad," answered Jake, "this guy Kurt Warner just keeps throwing touchdown passes. I'm telling you, he can really play."

A year later, Warner would be an NFL star.

Now Jake is being paid like one.

Memo to Chad Hutchinson:

Don't give up just because Big Bill "dislikes" you more than he "dislikes" Quincy.

Big Bill has been wrong before on quarterbacks.

Most every NFL coach has.

It's a long, strange "journey."

[BrAinPaiNt]

Interesting read...I wonder who this source was...I know Galloway has and still does have wood for Jake...but I do not know if he has a bias vs QC.

Either way I am sure this is going to stir the pot and be one of those long posts...I can also see some of those quotes being used over and over in many threads that have that anti-QC appeal. :(

[Juke99]

Bill disliked Chad more than he disliked Quincy."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, huh, for Q?

"Why," added Voice, "do you think we've added more quarterbacks this off-season than any other position on the field?"



On the Nosey.

OK, Carterites, time to spin this one.

"The source of these comments doesn't know what he's talking about.
Chad was brought in to compete with Carter and still Carter prevailed.
QC lead the team to the playoffs.
The sun got in my eyes....the ball took a bad hop.....I left my homework on my desk at home...."

BTW, I kinda like Delhomme....but I'm not convinced yet. Let's see a full season from him before we jump to any conclusions.

[Juke99]

Interesting read...I wonder who this source was...I know Galloway has and still does have wood for Jake...but I do not know if he has a bias vs QC.

Either way I am sure this is going to stir the pot and be one of those long posts...I can also see some of those quotes being used over and over in many threads that have that anti-QC appeal. :(

A regular Nostradamus you are.....see my post above.

How's it going BP?

[BrAinPaiNt]

A regular Nostradamus you are.....see my post above.

How's it going BP?


Fine...how have you been...hope everything is going ok for you and your loved ones.

:)

[Juke99]

Fine...how have you been...hope everything is going ok for you and your loved ones.

:)


Ditto. :)

What's your take on Delhomme?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ditto. :)

What's your take on Delhomme?


I wanted him to be brought in....I think it was exactly the type of player they have been preaching about bringing in. A player that could be had for a decent price that could have helped the team.

I also think that the contract he just got is probably not as bad (high) as many think...I would bet money that it is backloaded and the signing bonus split up over the whole period of the contract which means it is not bad and they can get out of the deal without hurting themselves down the road if he does not pan out as they expect.

[31WillHammerU]

"Why," added Voice, "do you think we've added more quarterbacks this off-season than any other position on the field?"

Pretty much says it all.

[LaTunaNostra]

Funny!

Now the columnists are listening to "Mr. Voices" in their heads. Beats picking up a phone and getting a quote, I guess. And carrying out dialogues with their imaginary friends, as well. By the time camp goes in, expect full blown psychotic episodes, complete with technicolor hallucinations....an enraged Bill on Mt Olympus, hurling lightening bolt shaped jerseys at AB and tormenting Hutch across the NFL wilderness.

What's "the point" here, as Juke says?

To get in a few gratuitious cracks in at Qunicy? Done.

To salve the hurt feelings of the Mother Hutchers? Done.

To remind us once again Tuna is not perfect (always conveyed as a personal injury - how dare he make mistakes, how dare I have to bear them)?

Done.

To point out not only a career backup was passed over last year but a franchise QB went undrafted in Leftwich?

Neglected, because that would shed some light on the Delhomme "error".

To remind us Bill came in with the request from Jerry to see what he had in the two QBs JJ had taken in the past 2 years before addng more nags to the race?

Suspiciously lacking.

[Charles]

Funny!

Now the columnists are listening to "Mr. Voices" in their heads. Beats picking up a phone and getting a quote, I guess. And carrying out dialogues with their imaginary friends, as well. By the time camp goes in, expect full blown psychotic episodes, complete with technicolor hallucinations....an enraged Bill on Mt Olympus, hurling lightening bolt shaped jerseys at AB and tormenting Hutch across the NFL wilderness.

What's "the point" here, as Juke says?

To get in a few gratuitious cracks in at Qunicy? Done.

To salve the hurt feelings of the Mother Hutchers? Done.

To remind us once again Tuna is not perfect (always conveyed as a personal injury - how dare he make mistakes, how dare I have to bear them)?

Done.

To point out not only a career backup was passed over last year but a franchise QB went undrafted in Leftwich?

Neglected, because that would shed some light on the Delhomme "error".

To remind us Bill came in with the request from Jerry to see what he had in the two QBs JJ had taken in the past 2 years before addng more nags to the race?

Suspiciously lacking.
Stop spinning Tuna ;) .

[31WillHammerU]

Funny!

Now the columnists are listening to "Mr. Voices" in their heads. Beats picking up a phone and getting a quote, I guess. And carrying out dialogues with their imaginary friends, as well. By the time camp goes in, expect full blown psychotic episodes, complete with technicolor hallucinations....an enraged Bill on Mt Olympus, hurling lightening bolt shaped jerseys at AB and tormenting Hutch across the NFL wilderness.

What's "the point" here, as Juke says?

To get in a few gratuitious cracks in at Qunicy? Done.

To salve the hurt feelings of the Mother Hutchers? Done.

To remind us once again Tuna is not perfect (always conveyed as a personal injury - how dare he make mistakes, how dare I have to bear them)?

Done.

To point out not only a career backup was passed over last year but a franchise QB went undrafted in Leftwich?

Neglected, because that would shed some light on the Delhomme "error".

To remind us Bill came in with the request from Jerry to see what he had in the two QBs JJ had taken in the past 2 years before addng more nags to the race?

Suspiciously lacking.


Predictable response.

[Juke99]

What's "the point" here, as Juke says?



Did you call my agent for clearance before quoting me?
:D

[Kangaroo]

Is how they same writers where saying the Pathaners gave Jake how much money and talked about how he was 2nd on the chart to Pete etc etc

Then now the Cowboys are stupid for passing on him.

Last I look the Panthers had a better running game and a better set of wr than dallas did

Last I looked we where acctually 1-1 against the Panters last year even though the refs tried to give the Panthers the 1st game with 3 bogus pass intference calls

So how did the writers go from being stupid and wrong to knowing more than Big Bill when they had the same view Dallas did about Jake at the time?

By the way when Jake got into trouble he threw jump balls to his wr ; guess what QC did when he got into trouble he threw some jump balls

Guess what happened to which qb

Jake had wr that went and got it because he trusted them to get it saying to the wr no it is not perfect but get it any ways

Carter chuck it up and are wr would sit and wait for the football allowing the ball to be knocked away or an int.

Seems like these writers do not watch the same games we do

[LaTunaNostra]

Stop spinning Tuna ;) .

LOL. Q Card.

40 more days before something substantive even has a prayer of being reported.

These guys are stretching this much now to fill a column - Bill "passed on" Delhomme, what a breaking story! When in reality, Jake was offered a contract, if an insulting one, and Bill isn't the one holding the purse strings.

More interesting to me is if Bill would have offered Delhomme more had he been the GM as he was in NY. After all, Tuna had to evaluate two quarterbacks of JJ's, one so callow he was still "Triple A" in late August, and the other Bill himself said he had chalked up as "a clown". Hard to imagine Jake did not look at least a little appealing as insurance. Altho evidently, the FO felt, wrongly, Jake wasn't much of an "upgrade" over Q and H. So Carolina got lucky . Bully for them.

This year, when Tuna got to bring in some QB talent, he took Vinnie and Drew.

No one can convince me without a smoking gun piece of evidence that Bill Parcells happily went into last season, and played right through it, with that QB lineup. Not after what had happened to him in 99. He was evaluating the boss's boys, and that's fine, more than fine, that's his job. . But if history is going to hang Tuna for passing on Delhomme, let there be a footnote mentioning that the fish rots at the head. :)

[jimmy40]

On the Nosey.

OK, Carterites, time to spin this one.

"The source of these comments doesn't know what he's talking about.
Chad was brought in to compete with Carter and still Carter prevailed.
QC lead the team to the playoffs.
The sun got in my eyes....the ball took a bad hop.....I left my homework on my desk at home...."

BTW, I kinda like Delhomme....but I'm not convinced yet. Let's see a full season from him before we jump to any conclusions.
I guess 15 1/2 regular season games is not close enough to a full season?

[Juke99]

I guess 15 1/2 regular season games is not close enough to a full season?


15 3/4 would have done it for me...

Hey, the guy was second on the charts to Rodney Peete at the beginning of the season. I'd just like to see him do it for one more year.

There have been several one season wonders.

That said, I woudl surely take Delhomme over Carter.

[Charles]

LOL. Q Card.

40 more days before something substantive even has a prayer of being reported.

These guys are stretching this much now to fill a column - Bill "passed on" Delhomme, what a breaking story! When in reality, Jake was offered a contract, if an insulting one, and Bill isn't the one holding the purse strings.

More interesting to me is if Bill would have offered Delhomme more had he been the GM as he was in NY. After all, Tuna had to evaluate two quarterbacks of JJ's, one so callow he was still "Triple A" in late August, and the other Bill himself said he had chalked up as "a clown". Hard to imagine Jake did not look at least a little appealing as insurance. Altho evidently, the FO felt, wrongly, Jake wasn't much of an "upgrade" over Q and H. So Carolina got lucky . Bully for them.

This year, when Tuna got to bring in some QB talent, he took Vinnie and Drew.

No one can convince me without a smoking gun piece of evidence that Bill Parcells happily went into last season, and played right through it, with that QB lineup. Not after what had happened to him in 99. He was evaluating the boss's boys, and that's fine, more than fine, that's his job. . But if history is going to hang Tuna for passing on Delhomme, let there be a footnote mentioning that the fish rots at the head. :)
Fish rots at the head :D .

Once compared to Steve Pelleur now Carter is the next Scott Brunner. It's amazing isn't it. The power of a No.1 ranked defense.

Anyway Parcells was prophectic in the press conference . He knew the columnist would stir the pot. I agree that Chad Hutchnson still has a chance to be a good NFL QB.

Jake Delhomme has taken the next step, now either he'll be the next Tom Brady or Scott Mitchell only time will tell.

[TwoDeep3]

The usual mantra from the Apologists says that Jake was beaten out by Rodney Peete.

The first major quarterbacking decision Fox had to make in his NFL head coaching career came last September.He started Rodney Peete over Delhomme.

They were correct.

Here is the part they always seem to leave out.

Jake took over at halftime of the opener with the Panthers down 17-0. He rallied them to a win.

Seems funny this is obscurred by some when trying to make a point about jake and Quincy being the same.

Notice the week jake is leading his team back from a 17 point deficit, Quincy was stunning them with a loss to the falcoms.

A Vick-less Falcon team.

As someone said earlier...let the spin begin.

[MichaelWinicki]

The usual mantra from the Apologists says that Jake was beaten out by Rodney Peete.



They were correct.

Here is the part they always seem to leave out.



Seems funny this is obscurred by some when trying to make a point about jake and Quincy being the same.

Notice the week jake is leading his team back from a 17 point deficit, Quincy was stunning them with a loss to the falcoms.

A Vick-less Falcon team.

As someone said earlier...let the spin begin.

Funny...

I've read several people on the board chastise poor Terrance Newman over his poor game in the playoffs and how he has to "bounce back".

At the same time Q was doing his best "Q imitation" with a 21 for 36, 154 yards, 1 pick and a QB rating of 56.9. Yet not many comments about him having to "bounce back".

Probably because Newman had already set a pretty high bar by the time the playoffs had arrived while Carter did what Carter did most of the year... namely put in another sub-standard performance.

[lwehlers]

well right now bill and jones made a mistake on delhomme. who knew how good jake would play last year. he did not play well enough to beat out brooks with the saints. also the panthers had nothing to lose by offering delhomme the money they had. they had no one worth a crap on there team in an old guy like peete and a third round pick in weinke.

[Bill the Butcher]

The usual mantra from the Apologists says that Jake was beaten out by Rodney Peete.



They were correct.

Here is the part they always seem to leave out.



Seems funny this is obscurred by some when trying to make a point about jake and Quincy being the same.

Notice the week jake is leading his team back from a 17 point deficit, Quincy was stunning them with a loss to the falcoms.

A Vick-less Falcon team.

As someone said earlier...let the spin begin.
Probably not gonna get many responces Twodeep. Afterall, how could anybody respond to that. You seem to have singlehandedly DESTROYED any possible spin an apologist could make up in one fell swoop! Best part is, you did it with FACTS!.........KUDOS!

[Bill the Butcher]

Funny...

I've read several people on the board chastise poor Terrance Newman over his poor game in the playoffs and how he has to "bounce back".

At the same time Q was doing his best "Q imitation" with a 21 for 36, 154 yards, 1 pick and a QB rating of 56.9. Yet not many comments about him having to "bounce back".

Probably because Newman had already set a pretty high bar by the time the playoffs had arrived while Carter did what Carter did most of the year... namely put in another sub-standard performance.
More facts to shoot down the apologist spin before it gets off the ground! BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[junk]

Funny...

I've read several people on the board chastise poor Terrance Newman over his poor game in the playoffs and how he has to "bounce back".

At the same time Q was doing his best "Q imitation" with a 21 for 36, 154 yards, 1 pick and a QB rating of 56.9. Yet not many comments about him having to "bounce back".

Probably because Newman had already set a pretty high bar by the time the playoffs had arrived while Carter did what Carter did most of the year... namely put in another sub-standard performance.

Those are just stats. Those are meaningless. It was obviously the poor offensive line play and drops by the WRs that made his numbers look so bad. And the defense didn't do anything to help him out again. :rolleyes:

[ghst187]

15 3/4 would have done it for me...

Hey, the guy was second on the charts to Rodney Peete at the beginning of the season. I'd just like to see him do it for one more year.

There have been several one season wonders.

That said, I woudl surely take Delhomme over Carter.


Obviously the 'Aints were fooled too. Delhomme may not be able to provide an explosive offense, but he's way more consistent than Brooks will ever be. Typical 'Aints. I think Delhomme will have a little harder time next season because teams have had a season and an offseason to study his habits but he'll still be decent. Heck, Brady isn't "electrifying" just consistent in his throws, reads, and ball protection. Obviously, that has been enough for two rings.
Kurt Warner, IMO, was a flash for 3-4 yrs. But I'd surely take a flash that gets us one ring and a shot at a second.
Undoubtedly, we should've offered Delhomme a bigger contract because, even though our WRs dropped passes and we completely lacked a running game, Delhomme made his team better and made his RBs and WRs look better than they are. He also did what almost no one else could do against the mighty Patriot D, and that is score. Ask P Manning how difficult that is.
Yep regarding Delhomme, we may have blown it looking hindsight (I also wish I had bought AOL stock at $2) but I sure like the gamble we took on Henson. His upside and natural talent far exceeds Delhomme's. Now if we can get Delhomme-like results out of him.....we'll surely see a ring or two.

[Big D]

That said, I woudl surely take Delhomme over Carter.


Right now i dont think I would. I don't think carter is as bad as most would like to think or is delhomme as good. They are very similar to each other right now but i think once qc becomes more consistent with his decisions , he will surpass jake.

[BHendri5]

LOL. No one needs to respond to two deep's usual mumbo jumbo, we already discussed the reason why the Boys lost to the falcons. yesterday i believe.

Two deep is just getting in his late shot, but on the wrong post. LOL :)

[LaTunaNostra]

Right now i dont think I would. I don't think carter is as bad as most would like to think or is delhomme as good. They are very similar to each other right now but i think once qc becomes more consistent with his decisions , he will surpass jake.

I wonder what Jake would have done on this O last year. Sure, he wouldn't have had Stephen Davis' powerful running game that always has to be schemed, nor a pair like Smith and Mohammed who really played to their personal best levels, imo, and he'd have had the same line issues we had. I don't think we'd have got to the SB with Delhomme at the helm, but the way he came on late in the year.... (granted, Henning expanded his game plan out of strength, he wasn't trying to hide weakneses like Tuna)...how much further than Q he would have taken the Boys is, I think, not far. There were just too many weaknesses on O, in addition to Carter. And that's with all due respect for the improved game management, leadership, longer passing game, and savoir faire Delhomme demonstrated last season. He gave us a thrill of a Super Bowl. I was glad to see him get that contract last week.

Can't blame JJ and Tuna for passing on him last summer, tho. In retrospect, Jake had a greater degree of readiness than Q based on more time in the league, but he needed all the horses in place to make it work. I don't see how much was "lost" by not signing him. Like you, I think Q has at least as much upside.

[junk]

I wouldn't want either of them. QB touches the ball every offensive play, I want that guy to be the best player on the offense. These two are average, at best, in my opinion.

[Fla Cowpoke]

So Galloway quoting an unnamed "source" within Valley Ranch settles the matter once and for all. Good. That was easy. All these QB threads can be shut down. Wonder how the janitor at VR feels being used as a source?

If Parcells was so convinced on the QB, wouldn't he have grabbed a legitimate QB to move forward? God knows there were plenty of options. Hell, even Mickey the Q hater has stated, using his "sources," that Carter is most likely the starter. If Bill was so appalled by Carter, don't you think he would have done something more than bring in Testaverde? Vinny is simply insurance in the event that Carter doesn't improve.

As for Delhomme, it was a mistake, but only using hindsight. He was nowhere near a "sure" thing when he came to camp last year. There was no outrage on this board or others when he was not signed. His resume had nothing that indicated he would be a "great" QB. For most of the season, he seemed similar to what we had in Carter. He did show a knack for leading the comeback though. His supporting cast on offense was definitely better than ours. We might have had better talent at WR, but not by much.

If Dallas was "wrong" for not signing Jake, they surely weren't the only team that missed the boat.

[jay cee]

I wouldn't want either of them. QB touches the ball every offensive play, I want that guy to be the best player on the offense. These two are average, at best, in my opinion.


The cowboys won 3 superbowls in four years, and their running back was by far the best player on the offense.

[big dog cowboy]

The cowboys won 3 superbowls in four years, and their running back was by far the best player on the offense.

By far? Hmmmmmmm. Not so sure about that.

[jobberone]

The usual mantra from the Apologists says that Jake was beaten out by Rodney Peete.



They were correct.

Here is the part they always seem to leave out.



Seems funny this is obscurred by some when trying to make a point about jake and Quincy being the same.

Notice the week jake is leading his team back from a 17 point deficit, Quincy was stunning them with a loss to the falcoms.

A Vick-less Falcon team.

As someone said earlier...let the spin begin.

Please clarify that for me as it's an interesting statement. Why would you even look at one game and compare them. So Delhomme was on and Carter was off or Carolina was on fire and the other team wasn't or whatever. You can't even look at their careers at this point and get a warm fuzzy feeling about either QB being SB material every year.

The facts are neither Carter nor Delhomme have been anywhere under the same system/coaches to really get a long term read on either one. Getting a contract anywhere or not getting one and how much was taken, offered yada is not a measuring rod in the end to whether someone is a franchise QB.

I suspect if Tuna had wanted the guy bad enough JJ would have ponied up the bucks. At that time Dallas was wise to not pay that much for an unproven QB or get in a bidding war for an unknown when it had not even evaluated their own QBs. All this second guessing is done with the benefit of hindsight. Dallas did exactly what it should have done at the time.

And also Delhomme did not light up the league. Yes, you have to give him credit for winning and not losing games, getting his team into the playoffs and the SB. However, I and I bet most people don't give him all the credit. I was impressed with his SB comeback but he stunk it up in the first half. You could put a spin on the SB loss being his fault rather than see the huge positive in the second half production.

Personally, I think Delhomme will be at the very least a solid performer and starter for Carolina for several years at least. I give him credit and Carolina credit for placing the bet and playing the hand well.

But all this hindsight stuff is malarky. Should, coulda , woulda, if a bullfrog had wings ad nauseum.

Carter may prove to be the better player. That is a possibility. And if not then Henson could prove to be a HOF player and Delhomme just a good jouneyman QB. Then everyone will say Dallas sure was smart to pass on Delhomme and get that Henson kid.

Call me in 2-3 years.

[TwoDeep3]

Please clarify that for me as it's an interesting statement.

Please cite the games Quincy came from a 17 point deficit last year.

Then cite the games Jake did.

Or for that matter, point out the games both players were behind in the third quarter and came back to win.

One has to wonder if Quincy ever did regain a lead other than the giant game.

We know Jake did twice. Both in the Superbowl.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I just wonder what purpose such a column serves other than to give the anti-Carter faction a woody.

[TwoDeep3]

Maybe it is an outlet for facts which are obscurred from the public eye by Parcells.

Hence the unnamed source.

[Nav22]

Maybe it is an outlet for facts which are obscurred from the public eye by Parcells.

TwoDeep, would you have enlightened us with this possibility if the "Cowboys voice" was saying Parcells was thrilled with Quincy? Or would you have written it off as nothing?

Just wondering.

[Rack Bauer]

Interesting read...I wonder who this source was...I know Galloway has and still does have wood for Jake...but I do not know if he has a bias vs QC.


I think the source was someone in the back of Mr. G's head.


As for his hardon for Jake, Jake is about as good as QC, except for two things. 1) Supporting cast (that's not even debateable), and 2) He's more willing to "Gamble" then QC (for instance his TD pass vs the Eagles in the NFC championship game). But at the same time, it's not so hard to gamble when you have WRs like Muhammed and even Steve Smith who are willing to go up and get the ball in traffic.


Can't really compare the two cuz they play in different offenses with different talent levels around them. I just hope, for the cowboys sake, that QC breaks out this year in a big way. If not, the search continues and we'll be going through another season of "let's find out" with Drew Henson in 2005.

[TwoDeep3]

1. It wasn't an article praising Quincy. So until it is, don't surmize.

2. Since the panthers had 92 yards more in rushing than the Cowboys in the regular season. And the Eagles had 16 yards more than the Cowboys.

It sort of shoots the shate out of this theory about no running game.

Now marry that with the fact that Quincy threw for more yards than either Delhomme or McNabb, then you have to point out where the fault lies.

Getting the ball into the endzone and turnovers.

Two areas where Quincy's ineptitude certainly outdid either of the starting quarterbacks in the NFC Championship game.

But that fact is lost on some.

[Nav22]

1. It wasn't an article praising Quincy. So until it is, don't surmize.

Seeing as how you clearly hate the guy, I'll take that as a "no."

Now marry that with the fact that Quincy threw for more yards than either Delhomme or McNabb, then you have to point out where the fault lies.

Part of it lies in Carter. And part of it lies in the fact that our running game scared NO ONE last year (except for the Skins and Jets), so defenses only used 7 guys in the box. Compare that with the Panthers and Eagles.

2. Since the panthers had 92 yards more in rushing than the Cowboys in the regular season. And the Eagles had 16 yards more than the Cowboys.

How you can keep bringing up the total yards as hard evidence that our running game was decent, without bringing up the VERY IMPORTANT fact that Hambrick's average yards/carry was a joke compared to these other RBs is completely beyond me.

If 972 yards on 275 carries is OK, I don't want to know what's bad.

[Fla Cowpoke]

Two Deep, your attempts to paint our running game as being good are probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen you attempt.

Using your logic, a team that averaged 2.0 yds per carry has a better run game than a team that averages 5.0 yds per carry, just so long as the 2.0 ypc team runs the ball enough times that the total is more than the 5.0 ypc team.

It appears you have come full circle to your pre-season position of last year. Are you predicting 5-11 again? Will you complain heartily through the season and then come up with another pathetic contrition statement?

[Fla Cowpoke]

Two Deep,

The funny thing in all of this is that it is not hard to see what happened last year.

At the beginning of the year, teams played more man coverage and more 8 man in the box run defense. The offense was number one in the league. Carter was quite effective.

In the second half of the year, that all changed. Teams played more zone, and defended the run with 7 men. Carter's numbers went down, and the run game struggled, save the two efforts against the Redskins.

Parcells himself said that the way defenses had started playing us, the run game should be every effective and we should make the defense pay for defending us that way. We never did. It became more of a situation where Carter had to carry the team, not be a bus driver.

That is not what Parcells wanted Carter to be at the onset of the season. He really felt we were going to be able to control games by running the ball. But Hambrick turned out to be less than expected and the OL was not nearly as good as we thought it would be.

[Hostile]

Ooh wee, I haven't read the responses but I bet that article was contrversial.

The disliked him less thing was pretty in your face. Galloway made some enemies today I bet. Wow.

[Hostile]

Funny!

Now the columnists are listening to "Mr. Voices" in their heads. Beats picking up a phone and getting a quote, I guess. And carrying out dialogues with their imaginary friends, as well. By the time camp goes in, expect full blown psychotic episodes, complete with technicolor hallucinations....an enraged Bill on Mt Olympus, hurling lightening bolt shaped jerseys at AB and tormenting Hutch across the NFL wilderness.
I took the voice to be a source he won't name. You took it to be his own logic or reasoning playing the dialogue for the article. That's interesting. I wonder if the voice was a real person or not?

I want front row seats for the chaos you just described BTW. That's entertainment.

[Hostile]

Anyway Parcells was prophectic in the press conference . He knew the columnist would stir the pot. I agree that Chad Hutchnson still has a chance to be a good NFL QB.

Jake Delhomme has taken the next step, now either he'll be the next Tom Brady or Scott Mitchell only time will tell.
Which Press Conference are you referring to?

I think he'll be the next Mitchell. Good comparison BTW. I would nto have offered him that contract until he proved he wasn't a one hit wonder.

I guess Galloway was really high on him. I wasn't. I am still unsettled on him too.

[Hostile]

Funny...

I've read several people on the board chastise poor Terrance Newman over his poor game in the playoffs and how he has to "bounce back".

At the same time Q was doing his best "Q imitation" with a 21 for 36, 154 yards, 1 pick and a QB rating of 56.9. Yet not many comments about him having to "bounce back".

Probably because Newman had already set a pretty high bar by the time the playoffs had arrived while Carter did what Carter did most of the year... namely put in another sub-standard performance.
Good post. Like the bounce back thinking.

[Hostile]

I think the source was someone in the back of Mr. G's head.
I love the sig line. That is just poetry to these eyes. Thanks. If you ever remove it we're going to have issues. :D

j/k

[jobberone]

Please cite the games Quincy came from a 17 point deficit last year.

Then cite the games Jake did.

Or for that matter, point out the games both players were behind in the third quarter and came back to win.

One has to wonder if Quincy ever did regain a lead other than the giant game.

We know Jake did twice. Both in the Superbowl.

I don't like the idea of comparing QB's based on particular performances. Neither one has done enough in this league to be considered sure bets. Right now I'd give a small nod to Delhomme. I'd trade for him st8 up with Carter. So I personally like him over Carter and I think he's the more likely of the two to become a franchise or even solid year in year out performer.

I look at their overall performance taking into account all their surrounding conditions.

I'm not going to declare either one of these guys successes or failures based on one seasons performance.

Last year was Delhomme's first true year as a starter. Very good year. His team got to the SB and almost won it. But he didn't get them there. The entire organization got them there. Certainly you have to give Delhomme some props for the fact Carolina got there. He definitely didn't prevent them from getting there and that's a huge plus to me. I'm certainly not going to compare them game by game nor would I evaluate either based on a games experience. I won't even do it based on one season.

Last year was Carter's first under Parcells. You have to look at the fact he wasn't a rookie but you also have to look at the fact it was his third offensive system in as many years as he's been starting.

Neither QB should be considered a franchise QB at this time.

[Charles]

Which Press Conference are you referring to?

I think he'll be the next Mitchell. Good comparison BTW. I would nto have offered him that contract until he proved he wasn't a one hit wonder.

I guess Galloway was really high on him. I wasn't. I am still unsettled on him too.
It was the 1st press conference prior to mini-camp. Parcells was answering questions about the QB position from the media. After a question (I think Galloway), Parcells stated that he knows the media is going to formulate their own aopinions. He stated that he expect ( especially the guy who asked the question) them to write articles interpretating the QB situation. I am really paraphasing. I'll get the exaxct quote on my lunch break.

Maybe another poster remembers the quote I am referring too.

[Hostile]

It was the 1st press conference prior to mini-camp. Parcells was answering questions about the QB position from the media. After a question (I think Galloway), Parcells stated that he knows the media is going to formulate their own aopinions. He stated that he expect ( especially the guy who asked the question) them to write articles interpretating the QB situation. I am really paraphasing. I'll get the exaxct quote on my lunch break.

Maybe another poster remembers the quote I am referring too.
Thanks. All media formulate their own opinions and agendas. It takes strong opinions to be a good writer. No big surprise to me that Galloway would have one. I am a little surprised he is citing the Delhomme signing because 1 year doesn't impress me all that much. See Kordell Stewart, Scott Mitchell, et al.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks. All media formulate their own opinions and agendas. It takes strong opinions to be a good writer. No big surprise to me that Galloway would have one. I am a little surprised he is citing the Delhomme signing because 1 year doesn't impress me all that much. See Kordell Stewart, Scott Mitchell, et al.


One must take Galloway with a grain of salt sometimes....if you have listened to him on the 103.3 EPSN radio you will find that he clearly wanted Jake and even to this day he still harps and whines about it.

For someone to keep going on and on about that on a radio station shows to me that he has a hard time being objective about some things.....even other members of 103.3 rag on him for this relentless Jake love.

[jobberone]

Two Deep,

The funny thing in all of this is that it is not hard to see what happened last year.

At the beginning of the year, teams played more man coverage and more 8 man in the box run defense. The offense was number one in the league. Carter was quite effective.

In the second half of the year, that all changed. Teams played more zone, and defended the run with 7 men. Carter's numbers went down, and the run game struggled, save the two efforts against the Redskins.

Parcells himself said that the way defenses had started playing us, the run game should be every effective and we should make the defense pay for defending us that way. We never did. It became more of a situation where Carter had to carry the team, not be a bus driver.

That is not what Parcells wanted Carter to be at the onset of the season. He really felt we were going to be able to control games by running the ball. But Hambrick turned out to be less than expected and the OL was not nearly as good as we thought it would be.

Good analysis of what really happened. I'm still amazed they were able to take Dallas to the playoffs.

[Charles]

Thanks. All media formulate their own opinions and agendas. It takes strong opinions to be a good writer. No big surprise to me that Galloway would have one. I am a little surprised he is citing the Delhomme signing because 1 year doesn't impress me all that much. See Kordell Stewart, Scott Mitchell, et al.
Lunch time. Gotta heat up my left-overs from Olive Garden :p

Delhomme has earned the contract. He worked his way from NFLE to starting QB in the SuperBowl. He proved he could take his team to the final game. Now he has to live up to the contract.

It'll be very interesting to see how things unfold.

[cowheel]

Delhomme is a decent QB... but nowhere near being what they're trying to hype him up to be.

Steve Smith, Muhammad, the o-line, and the RBs made him look a hell of a lot better than he is.

Definitely WAAAAY overpaid and overhyped.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The cowboys won 3 superbowls in four years, and their running back was by far the best player on the offense.

I do not believe that Emmitt was the best player on offense by far in our SuperBowl years. I do think he was very good but I don't know that I would call him far and away the best player.

[Charles]

Which Press Conference are you referring to?

I think he'll be the next Mitchell. Good comparison BTW. I would nto have offered him that contract until he proved he wasn't a one hit wonder.

I guess Galloway was really high on him. I wasn't. I am still unsettled on him too.
Here you go Hos >>>>> http://www.dallascowboys.com/broadcasts.cfm

Access the web page and listen to Bill Parcells Press conference on June 5th prior to mini-camp kicking off. The quote is within the 2-5 minute range.

[Hostile]

Lunch time. Gotta heat up my left-overs from Olive Garden :p

Delhomme has earned the contract. He worked his way from NFLE to starting QB in the SuperBowl. He proved he could take his team to the final game. Now he has to live up to the contract.

It'll be very interesting to see how things unfold.
I don't know if you remember it or not, but over on DMN I was very anti Delhomme. I am still not a big fan of his even though I use him in "debates" now and then. I just don't think he was worth that after 1 year.

Hey, that's why they race horses though.

Thanks for the link to the PC. I wouldn't know Galloway's voice from JJT's or anyone else's but it helped get the point across.

[Charles]

I don't know if you remember it or not, but over on DMN I was very anti Delhomme. I am still not a big fan of his even though I use him in "debates" now and then. I just don't think he was worth that after 1 year.

Hey, that's why they race horses though.

Thanks for the link to the PC. I wouldn't know Galloway's voice from JJT's or anyone else's but it helped get the point across.

I think 90% of Cowboy fans @ DMN were anti-Jake mainly because of some irritating poster named "jakethesnake" who posted anything and everything about jake when he was visiting with the Cowboys.

I had little to offer in the Jake discussion because I had only seen the guy play one game (against Cowboys in loss to Saints).

[Hostile]

I think 90% of Cowboy fans @ DMN were anti-Jake mainly because of some irritating poster named "jakethesnake" who posted anything and everything about jake when he was visiting with the Cowboys.

I had little to offer in the Jake discussion because I had only seen the guy play one game (against Cowboys in loss to Saints).
His handle was "JaketoDallas" and I bet if he knew where I was he'd be really irritating me with his song and dance about Delhomme after the Super Bowl.

Talk about man love. That was it personified.

[LaTunaNostra]

His handle was "JaketoDallas" and I bet if he knew where I was he'd be really irritating me with his song and dance about Delhomme after the Super Bowl.

Talk about man love. That was it personified.

Well I never caught his act TH, but he'd be hard pressed to beat the guy made that Testaverde website,

or the Kerry Collins fan was here few months back. :p

[InmanRoshi]

Randy Galloway should work for Greenpeace. No one recycles as much.

[TruBlueCowboy]

His handle was "JaketoDallas" and I bet if he knew where I was he'd be really irritating me with his song and dance about Delhomme after the Super Bowl.

Talk about man love. That was it personified.

I'm convinced that 99% of these infatuations with no name players are just man love. LOL Where were these same fans who are so great at spotting unknown talent when Warner was looking for a team? Why didn't anyone spot La'Roi Glover? I don't remember many people raving about Tom Brady before he was picked on the second day.

I saw the same man love starting to latch on to Billy Volek early this year. Some fan watches one game or reads a good article praising him and they're suddenly convinced that this unknown player, who the rest of the league knows nothing about, is a star in the making. And when that player has a great year, that fan thinks he has the eye of Ron Wolf. :rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Well I never caught his act TH, but he'd be hard pressed to beat the guy made that Testaverde website,

or the Kerry Collins fan was here few months back. :p
I tend to agree on the Testaverde example, but not on the Collins guy. It's not even close.

This guy was someone who could not be talked to. It was so bad when Delhomme finally signed with Carolina posters were begging him to become a Panthers fan.

The Testa guy is big on the forzen rope passes.

This guy kept talking about the fire in Jake's belly. I started prescribing Maalox.

[Hostile]

I'm convinced that 99% of these infatuations with no name players are just man love. LOL Where were these same fans who are so great at spotting unknown talent when Warner was looking for a team? Why didn't anyone spot La'Roi Glover? I don't remember many people raving about Tom Brady before he was picked on the second day.

I saw the same man love starting to latch on to Billy Volek early this year. Some fan watches one game or reads a good article praising him and they're suddenly convinced that this unknown player, who the rest of the league knows nothing about, is a star in the making. And when that player has a great year, that fan thinks he has the eye of Ron Wolf. :rolleyes:
Oh hell man, even I will admit to some guilt in this scenario.

I was the biggest Terrell Suggs guy before the 2003 draft. How big? I went to his 2nd pro day workout. I was a broken record about him prior to the draft. Drove people crazy. I was talking about him even before he declared for the draft. I still think he will end up being the best football player from the 2003 draft class.

The difference is, when we passed on him I moved on. No need to dwell on the issue unless the guy we took is a total bust. I don't see T-New as a bust.

As far as jockeying a guy people do not know about I'd say my most successful one has been Tedy Bruschi. Not really fair though because he and I are friends. I worked with his wife for 2 years. She played softball and volleyball at UA where he played football.

People said he was too small and too slow to make it in the NFL. I was telling people they couldn't measure his heart. Guy loves the game and plays with the accelerator buried all the time.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Oh hell man, even I will admit to some guilt in this scenario.

I was the biggest Terrell Suggs guy before the 2003 draft. How big? I went to his 2nd pro day workout.

LOL You went to his pro workout? Now that's what I call dediction. ;)

[Hostile]

LOL You went to his pro workout? Now that's what I call dediction. ;)
Guilty as charged. I even took a stopwatch and posted the times I had him running in the 40. His slow 40 times was the issue that dropped him.

I hate ASU. The only times I like to watch them play live are when they play my Wildcats. I went to about 22 ASU games over his 3 years there because the kid was just a freaking amazing pass rusher. Truthfully he best I have ever seen.